Caley Golf Irons & Driving Iron - 2023 Forum Review

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

10 hours ago, Shlax said:

Played a quick round after work and managed to finish all 18 holes by sunset (the last two holes were pushing it, but it went well).

This round was the first real test for the Caley 01CB irons. My final score (89) is not representative of the performance of these irons (see link in How’d You Play for some venting and commentary about my round).

• Ball flight: At the risk of repeating myself, I love the ball flight with the 01CBs and the x-stiff KBS Tour shaft. It is penetrating yet quite spinny so I can still hold greens (and the greens at tonight’s course were hard in preparation for a tournament this Friday. Hard greens are a rare thing in my neck of the woods).
• Distance: I had suspicions that the Caley 01CBs were slightly longer than my gamers. Well, it has been confirmed today. They appear to be roughly 5 or 6 yds longer than my Srixon Z785 despite being 0.5“ shorter. All things being equal, it can now safely say that these irons offer more distance than my current set (most likely due to the different shafts in both sets).
• Worth noting: I had 3 flyers today: All from the rough and with the 6, the 7 and the 4-iron. These 3 shots carried roughly 20 yds over their expected carry distance, which is very unsettling to say the least. For indicative purposes, I have only had a single flyer shot that comes to mind in the time that I have had my Srixon Z785s. I hope that this sort of thing will not happen routinely as it’s not viable to go at greens from the rough and not know what to expect from the club.
• Feel: The Caley 01CB irons are forged cavity backs. Therefore, you can expect a smooth, effortless and uniform impact on center strikes. That being said, I would like to mention that the feel is not that of the flagship Srixons or Mizunos irons that I have tried. While still good, it’s just not the same; simply isn’t. I would liken it to having a modified car that has as much horsepower and racing parts as a Ferrari: While both cars might lap around the track in a similar time, being in the Italian supercar is just a different experience altogether (not that I know what I’m talking about, unfortunately, but I thought that it was a good analogy).
• Looks: In the bag, they look great. One golfer with whom I was paired initially thought that they were this year’s TaylorMade P7MCs (I’ll let you decide if the mix up is understandable). The 4, 5 and 6 irons are simply stunning. They all have what I expect from any prototypical players’ iron in the narrow sole, thin topline, short blade length, low profile, etc. The 7 and 8 irons are also good looking clubs. Once we get up to the 9-iron, things start to get a bit bulkier in my opinion. The sole appears strikingly wider in the bag and the face’s height also appears larger, especially in the heel section. As for the PW, well, it’s not a nice club to look at at address. It sort of stands gigantically behind the ball in comparison to the other irons and the topline, especially in the heel section, gives the impression that there is massive offset even if it’s basically non-existent.

Now, I am more than pleased with the Caley 01CBs’ performance. If it wasn’t for the 0.5“ shorter length, I would most likely overlook my impressions about the PW’s looks and the slightly less smooth/premium feel and put them in the bag instead of my Srixon Z785s right now. Performance appears to be there and in the end, that’s what matters most. I will still wait a little while for now though.

However, hear this: If you are in the market for brand new forged players’ irons that perform great in terms of distance, control and forgiveness, are way more affordable than products from OEMs, you do not care about not having a recognizable brand (yet) in your bag and want to be able to customize loft, lie and shaft length, then I would happily recommend the Caley 01CB irons! They are that good.

Just a thought on distance. Are you hitting them farther, not only because of the shafts, but the shorter length because now you are hitting the center more? Great to hear how they are for you!

[Shlax]

1 hour ago, Shrek74 said:

Could your fliers from the rough have been due to grass between the ball and clubface at impact causing lower spin and thus more distance? I know the pros (and talking heads) mention that a lot when looking at shots out of the rough and if it's a "flier lie" or not. If the fliers were from the fairway, I'd be more concerned. Just a thought.

Yes this is indeed the mechanics at play behind a flier lie.

I thought that it was worth noting because it happened 3 times in a single round, which is very odd. I airmailed the green on 2 of those occasions and incurred penalty strokes in the process. The most striking event was my 4-iron approach shot from 221 yds away (center of the green). This is basically the distance that I expect to hit my 4-iron on pure strikes and accounting for some release as well. Well, it was indeed one of my best strikes in a while. The ball launched low and straight at the pin only to airmail the green and audibly end up in the woods while still in the air. I went up to the tree line behind the green and it was 240 yds away from where I hit my shots. Considering that the ball carried fairly high in the woods, I suspect that I probably hit this 4-iron closer to 250 yds, which is most definitely not my standard yardage.

During a typical round, I basically spend my life hitting approach shots from the rough as prior to my last 4 rounds, I averaged between 3 and 5 fairways hit per round (yes, driver play is my weakness). I’ve hit thousands of approach shots from the rough with my Srixons and only ever had a single flier.

I will definitely pay attention to this aspect in the upcoming rounds of the test but I thought that it was worth mentioning because it’s not viable to expect fliers about 50% of the time that approach shots are hit from the rough. This would be a major concern if the 01CBs “don’t work“ from the rough, but we have not reached this conclusion yet.

[Shlax]

31 minutes ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said:

Just a thought on distance. Are you hitting them farther, not only because of the shafts, but the shorter length because now you are hitting the center more? Great to hear how they are for you!

It may be a possibility. I plan on renting a Trackman sometime in the next 2 weeks to gather hard data comparing both iron sets. I hope that we’ll have all the metrics required to fully assess what’s going on.

Another possibility is that the 01CBs simply have a faster face. The heads are a bit chunkier compared to my Srixon Z785s, especially in the mid and short irons. The 01CBs might fall somewhere between players’ distance irons and players’ irons despite being forged cavity backs. The toplines are also noticeably larger which might help with MOI and perimeter weighting and therefore, forgiveness.

It is a strong possibility that the 01CBs offer just enough additional forgiveness for me to unleash hell with these clubs and that I might have been out of my depth with the Srixon Z785s all along. After all, I still evoluate somewhere between an 8 and 11 handicap and the Srixons are most definitely true players’ irons that would make some people’s legs shake at address.

We’ll see soon enough!

[Shrek74]

2 minutes ago, Shlax said:

It may be a possibility. I plan on renting a Trackman sometime in the next 2 weeks to gather hard data comparing both iron sets. I hope that we’ll have all the metrics required to fully assess what’s going on.

Another possibility is that the 01CBs simply have a faster face. The heads are a bit chunkier compared to my Srixon Z785s, especially in the mid and short irons. The 01CBs might fall somewhere between players’ distance irons and players’ irons despite being forged cavity backs. The toplines are also noticeably larger which might help with MOI and perimeter weighting and therefore, forgiveness.

It is a strong possibility that the 01CBs offer just enough additional forgiveness for me to unleash hell with these clubs and that I might have been out of my depth with the Srixon Z785s all along. After all, I still evoluate somewhere between an 8 and 11 handicap and the Srixons are most definitely true players’ irons that would make some people’s legs shake at address.

We’ll see soon enough!

Also, if I remember correctly the longer irons have that cavity cut out of them which probably adds to their "hotness." Not saying that's the issue, but I'm sure it might add to the additional distance.

[Shrek74]

On 8/11/2023 at 12:19 AM, GolfSpy SAM said:

Alright, unboxing is posted here at the main testing thread! Let me know what you think and if you have any questions!

Did you realize your unboxing video (or at least part of it) is being used by Caley on their FB ads? I just saw it in my feed. 

[Shlax]

9 minutes ago, Shrek74 said:

Also, if I remember correctly the longer irons have that cavity cut out of them which probably adds to their "hotness." Not saying that's the issue, but I'm sure it might add to the additional distance.

100% agree. It has a significant influence of distance for sure.

I mentioned the "feel" of the 01CBs quite a few times in my posts already and noted that it was different from that of my Srixon Z785s which is unparalleled. If I was to place the feel of the 01CBs on a scale between that of the TaylorMade P790s and my Srixon Z785s, the Caley 01CBs would probably fall in the third closer to the P790s (which have excellent feel).

To the extent at which it is possible to formulate such an opinion based on feel, I think that the 01CBs possess some features of players' distance irons incorporated in the package in the form of forgiveness and response off the face.

Edited August 24, 2023 by Shlax

[RickyBobby_PR]

12 hours ago, Shlax said:

Worth noting: I had 3 flyers today: All from the rough and with the 6, the 7 and the 4-iron. These 3 shots carried roughly 20 yds over their expected carry distance, which is very unsettling to say the least. For indicative purposes, I have only had a single flyer shot that comes to mind in the time that I have had my Srixon Z785s. I hope that this sort of thing will not happen routinely as it’s not viable to go at greens from the rough and not know what to expect from the club.

This can happen with any club from every manufacturer. It’s due to grass getting between the club and ball. It’s something one needs to evaluate when evaluating their lie and choose club accordingly 

[Shlax]

11 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

This can happen with any club from every manufacturer. It’s due to grass getting between the club and ball. It’s something one needs to evaluate when evaluating their lie and choose club accordingly 

Yup.

The point is detailed in the response linked below. All in all, is was worth noting because it was a very odd occurence, statistically speaking, compared to my usual iron performance.

 

[RickyBobby_PR]

17 minutes ago, Shlax said:

Yup.

The point is detailed in the response linked below. All in all, is was worth noting because it was a very odd occurence, statistically speaking, compared to my usual iron performance.

 

You have to account for the iron design, lower spin heads are going to have more occurrences of it than something with more spin.

Also as golfers we have to learn to adapt as the round goes. If I get a flier once I am going to be aware of it the rest of the day and if in my assessment of the lie in the rough is that it’s possible again I adjust for it and will choose a shorter club and accept the risk of coming up short over the chance of flying another green and possibly being in a worse position 

[AndySP]

34 minutes ago, Shlax said:

Yup.

The point is detailed in the response linked below. All in all, is was worth noting because it was a very odd occurence, statistically speaking, compared to my usual iron performance.

 

My only other thought is whether your Srixon’s have more grooves (or different grooves) that are more efficient at clearing debris.

 

[RickyBobby_PR]

1 hour ago, AndySP said:

My only other thought is whether your Srixon’s have more grooves (or different grooves) that are more efficient at clearing debris.

 

It’s quite possible, which gets to my comments and the need to understand the design, adapt when we see something different.

[GolfSpy SAM]

9 hours ago, Shrek74 said:

Did you realize your unboxing video (or at least part of it) is being used by Caley on their FB ads? I just saw it in my feed. 

Wait, WHAT?!?

[GolfSpy SAM]

9 hours ago, Shrek74 said:

Did you realize your unboxing video (or at least part of it) is being used by Caley on their FB ads? I just saw it in my feed. 

Can you screen grab that for me if you see it again? I'm super curious to see it!

[Shrek74]

Can you screen grab that for me if you see it again? I'm super curious to see it!

Here ya go!





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[AndySP]

Got some weekend updates after two more sessions at the range Saturday and 9 holes this morning. Overall I’m still loving the feel when I time it up right, and when it’s good it’s easy to see where this could fit in my bag. It’s a flat trajectory eve. With my tendency to deliver a lot of extra loft.  I took some pictures of the PRGR that give an idea of the readings I’m getting with the random assortment of range balls.

One thing that’s apparent is the wide variety I’m seeing. When I’m timing it, I’m seeing about 140-145 ball speed, which looks like around 225 carry, but it’s difficult to be sure. the courses have been soft, so I haven’t seen any roll on top of the carry yardage here. Sadly, I hit tons of push fades that fall weakly right, some ground balls and some dippy hooks. I took a video that hopefully gives an impression of the kind of feedback you get. (Please excuse the jerry rigged headcover phone mount and bad angle, hopefully it still provides some value. I promise to set up a tripod next time to get the ball flight better.)

On good strikes it’s a nice full sound, but not as soft as my normal irons. Getting it higher on the face on or off the toe and it’s more hollow, and higher pitched. I’m getting g great forgiveness for launch angle and carry, but it’s not as forgiving east-west as my hybrid. I think that’s just the nature of having only 18* of loft. The nice thing is that the misses have less curve on the, the hard part is that I’m am really bad at timing this club. When going back and forth with my others, the biggest difference is that I can’t feel where the club head is in my swing. I added about 8 grams of lead tape to it before playing today, and it helped, but sadly it’s still requires a different feel from my 5 iron or hybrid. Also it makes the shaft feel softer, which didn’t help with my timing much, and I pushed both shots I hit on the course today with it maybe 20 yards right. I’m not giving up yet though because the trajectory really fills in an important gap in my bag.  I think the current stock setup would be better for someone with lighter weight iron shafts though.

Feel a little bad piling it on, but last night I noticed another odd thing. For me, the best part of the forum reviews is to get an unbiased, down and dirty look into the product. With that said, after coming back from the range, I was cleaning off the foot powder spray with soap and water and noticed some odd pieces of something starting to peel up from inside the grooves. I believe it’s not the chalky spray because it holds its shape and is silver on the underside. So I grabbed a tee and cleaned the rest of the grooves and was able clear out some pretty big pieces of what I think is metal out of the club head. The grooves look fine and nothing feels weird by touch, but I’ve never seen this before, so I took some pictures. If anyone knows what this is let me know. I did not notice any negative effects hitting it this morning. The last picture shows the face after cleaning out all the grooves with the tee.

 

 

 

Edited August 27, 2023 by AndySP

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

Interesting and concerning @AndySP  I haven’t seen that yet so maybe some anomaly?

I had the Caley out today and hit it better, albeit still hooky from the tee. hit some decent recovery shots with it too. Overall here are my average (dark blue) performance average (light blue) and longest (green) with it. This is super close for a long club to me and the average is the gap I have been looking to fill.

I also have a TrackMan session scheduled for Wednesday to get some numbers. I bet they will be similar to what Andy saw .

 

 

 

[GolfSpy_APH]

3 hours ago, AndySP said:

Got some weekend updates after two more sessions at the range Saturday and 9 holes this morning. Overall I’m still loving the feel when I time it up right, and when it’s good it’s easy to see where this could fit in my bag. It’s a flat trajectory eve. With my tendency to deliver a lot of extra loft.  I took some pictures of the PRGR that give an idea of the readings I’m getting with the random assortment of range balls.

One thing that’s apparent is the wide variety I’m seeing. When I’m timing it, I’m seeing about 140-145 ball speed, which looks like around 225 carry, but it’s difficult to be sure. the courses have been soft, so I haven’t seen any roll on top of the carry yardage here. Sadly, I hit tons of push fades that fall weakly right, some ground balls and some dippy hooks. I took a video that hopefully gives an impression of the kind of feedback you get. (Please excuse the jerry rigged headcover phone mount and bad angle, hopefully it still provides some value. I promise to set up a tripod next time to get the ball flight better.)

On good strikes it’s a nice full sound, but not as soft as my normal irons. Getting it higher on the face on or off the toe and it’s more hollow, and higher pitched. I’m getting g great forgiveness for launch angle and carry, but it’s not as forgiving east-west as my hybrid. I think that’s just the nature of having only 18* of loft. The nice thing is that the misses have less curve on the, the hard part is that I’m am really bad at timing this club. When going back and forth with my others, the biggest difference is that I can’t feel where the club head is in my swing. I added about 8 grams of lead tape to it before playing today, and it helped, but sadly it’s still requires a different feel from my 5 iron or hybrid. Also it makes the shaft feel softer, which didn’t help with my timing much, and I pushed both shots I hit on the course today with it maybe 20 yards right. I’m not giving up yet though because the trajectory really fills in an important gap in my bag.  I think the current stock setup would be better for someone with lighter weight iron shafts though.

Feel a little bad piling it on, but last night I noticed another odd thing. For me, the best part of the forum reviews is to get an unbiased, down and dirty look into the product. With that said, after coming back from the range, I was cleaning off the foot powder spray with soap and water and noticed some odd pieces of something starting to peel up from inside the grooves. I believe it’s not the chalky spray because it holds its shape and is silver on the underside. So I grabbed a tee and cleaned the rest of the grooves and was able clear out some pretty big pieces of what I think is metal out of the club head. The grooves look fine and nothing feels weird by touch, but I’ve never seen this before, so I took some pictures. If anyone knows what this is let me know. I did not notice any negative effects hitting it this morning. The last picture shows the face after cleaning out all the grooves with the tee.

 

 

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That's really weird. Never seen anything like that. Could it have been coating or something? 

[AndySP]

37 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

Could it have been coating or something? 

I think that’s a good guess. The material doesn’t stick to a magnet, so (according to my chemistry professor wife), if it’s metal, it could be chrome or maybe nickel plating leftovers. I took a macro photo if that’s helpful. I’m curious if it’s common in the manufacturing process. I just haven’t bought enough new clubs to know.

 

[GolfSpy_APH]

32 minutes ago, AndySP said:

I think that’s a good guess. The material doesn’t stick to a magnet, so (according to my chemistry professor wife), if it’s metal, it could be chrome or maybe nickel plating leftovers. I took a macro photo if that’s helpful. I’m curious if it’s common in the manufacturing process. I just haven’t bought enough new clubs to know.

 

It's nothing I've ever seen in golf clubs. Some other products in work, but really not sure if it is just a cover coat or something else.

[Navart]

Hitting Minneapolis GC again this afternoon for a round with the 01 iron set! 

Don't know if I will be able to get in a full 18 again but I'm itching to get back out there. I think playing the same course a few times in a testing context can be a great aspect.

What do y'all think?

I will certainly play some other courses to test their versatility (but let's be real, more like my compatibility). Minneapolis GC is open, with rolling fairways, bunkers GALORE, perched greens and pillowy soft fairways. Getting out to a firmer course with more water and trees will help me get a more rounded grasp of these clubs performance even though the latter course type is not my preference.

[Shlax]

Second week update

So it's been two weeks since I've started testing the Caley 01CBs. Played 2 rounds this weekend and a quick round at my local par 3 course yesterday.

In my previous updates, I talked a bit about the swing weight of the Caley 01CBs. I mentioned that they felt quite heavier than my gamers despite their shafts being 0.5" shorter which would remove somewhere between 3 to 5 swing weight points. I then measured the swing weight of both sets using the at-home assembled golf club swing weight measuring protocol which, granted, is extremely sensitive to the balance point measurement's precision (i.e., a variance of 1/16" (1.6 mm) results in about 0.6 swing weight point variation). Therefore, I consider the absolute swing weight values presented below as indicative only, at best. Nevertheless, the relative swing weight differences between clubs of both sets can still serve as an indication. I will most likely take the initiative to get more accurate measurements in the near future.

In terms of performance, well, the Caley 01CBs do perform remarkably! They are definitely and steadily longer than my gamers by 5-6 yds and performance from tees and fairways is premium. On my second round of the weekend, I had a run where I literally "peppered the flagstick" Morikawa-style (or should I say Hovland-style this weekend) with the Caley 01CBs and ended up with birdie putts of less than 6-7' on 5 consecutive holes (missed 4 of those ). These irons are very very very surprising! The only caveat so far is regarding performance from the rough and, to a lesser extent, "feel".

To update on the flier lies that I experienced last week: I did not get any flagrant flier that airmailed the green this weekend. However, I can say that the spin reduction is brutal, which is totally legit, but is still much more drastic than with my gamers. You have to really be careful when going at greens from the rough in order to keep the ball on it. This is not something that I used to have to explicitly do before as I still had plenty of spin to go straight at pins. Based on the relatively few iron brands and models that I have gamed in my "career", they are the most sensitive to being played from the rough in terms of spin reduction/performance.

 

Edited August 29, 2023 by Shlax
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[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

1 hour ago, Shlax said:

Second week update

So it's been two weeks since I've started testing the Caley 01CBs. Played 2 rounds this weekend and a quick round at my local par 3 course yesterday.

In my previous updates, I talked a bit about the swing weight of the Caley 01CBs. I mentioned that they felt quite heavier than my gamers despite their shafts being 0.5" shorter which would remove somewhere between 3 to 5 swing weight points. I then measured the swing weight of both sets using the at-home assembled golf club swing weight measuring protocol which, granted, is extremely sensitive to the balance point measurement's precision (i.e., a variance of 1/16" (1.6 mm) results in about 0.6 swing weight point variation). Therefore, I consider the absolute swing weight values presented below as indicative only, at best. Nevertheless, the relative swing weight differences between clubs of both sets can still serve as an indication. I will most likely take the initiative to get more accurate measurements in the near future.

In terms of performance, well, the Caley 01CBs do perform remarkably! They are definitely and steadily longer than my gamers by 5-6 yds and performance from tees and fairways is premium. On my second round of the weekend, I had a run where I literally "peppered the flagstick" Morikawa-style (or should I say Hovland-style this weekend) with the Caley 01CBs and ended up with birdie putts of less than 6-7' on 5 consecutive holes (missed 4 of those ). These irons are very very very surprising! The only caveat so far is regarding performance from the rough and, to a lesser extent, "feel".

To update on the flier lies that I experienced last week: I did not get any flagrant flier that airmailed the green this weekend. However, I can say that the spin reduction is brutal, which is totally legit, but is still much more drastic than with my gamers. You have to really be careful when going at greens from the rough in order to keep the ball on it. This is not something that I used to have to explicitly do before as I still had plenty of spin to go straight at pins. Based on the relatively few iron brands and models that I have gamed in my "career", they are the most sensitive to being played from the rough in terms of spin reduction/performance.

 

interesting on the SW. My two cents is this makes sense. You went up 10 grams in weight, that would adjust SW by a point or two. As well, your FLT shafts are flighted I believe, which plays a role in balance point for SW. What is concerning is the large range of SWs from the Caley's. As long as you can hit them well though is all that matters. Glad you can hit pin seeking missles!

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

Another nine with the Caley today. I am not doing this club justice by going in cold (no range prior). Once I got a few holes in, the club did real well and started to time it good. It came alive afterwards on the range after I was doing some bulk driver practice. I have TrackMan time scheduled for tomorrow to collect some comparative data. 

[RickyBobby_PR]

41 minutes ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said:

Another nine with the Caley today. I am not doing this club justice by going in cold (no range prior). Once I got a few holes in, the club did real well and started to time it good. It came alive afterwards on the range after I was doing some bulk driver practice. I have TrackMan time scheduled for tomorrow to collect some comparative data. 

Im curios to see the side by side numbers on the driver with the 2 shafts but also video to see if there is any change in the swing with the two

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

Will post trackman data later today once I get it. Learned something that I should have thought of earlier. All my hooks are coming from a super closed clubface at impact (verified in trackman). At address, I then opened the face and took the same swing. Hit a beautiful baby draw onto the target. I will need to remember this in the last couple weeks of testing. Maybe this shaft isn't toast  . The person running my trackman session had nothing but compliments on the DI itself and he was super impressed with the ball speed coming off of it.

[russtopherb]

51 minutes ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said:

Will post trackman data later today once I get it. Learned something that I should have thought of earlier. All my hooks are coming from a super closed clubface at impact (verified in trackman). At address, I then opened the face and took the same swing. Hit a beautiful baby draw onto the target. I will need to remember this in the last couple weeks of testing. Maybe this shaft isn't toast  . The person running my trackman session had nothing but compliments on the DI itself and he was super impressed with the ball speed coming off of it.

Were you setting up with it closed, thinking it was neutral? I know I've had a few clubs over the years, hybrids and fairways in particular, that always looked neutral to me at setup but were actually pretty closed.

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

1 minute ago, russtopherb said:

Were you setting up with it closed, thinking it was neutral? I know I've had a few clubs over the years, hybrids and fairways in particular, that always looked neutral to me at setup but were actually pretty closed.

no, I was setting up neutral, at least to my eye it was.

[RickyBobby_PR]

6 minutes ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said:

no, I was setting up neutral, at least to my eye it was.

Do you set your grip before you address the ball or do you do it at address? If you do it at address what is your process for address and then gripping the club?

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

3 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Do you set your grip before you address the ball or do you do it at address? If you do it at address what is your process for address and then gripping the club?

I grip then address. I then keep my grip and open the face while grounded.

[RickyBobby_PR]

6 minutes ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said:

I grip then address. I then keep my grip and open the face while grounded.

Interesting. The purpose of gripping the club before address is so that it’s already set and you don’t have to make any adjustments once it’s placed behind the club, especially to open the face while it’s grounded. you’ve manipulated your hands and/or arms at this point. It wouldn’t surprise me if some of the things that happen in your swing are a result of this.

If you want certain face angle ad address you should either preset that or don’t have any grip on the club and take your grip based on where the club is.