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11 minutes ago, PeterHenric said:

Anyone have any idea what the tour stance is on the vaccine? Do you still have to get tested if you’re fully vaccinated? With all the money on the line its crazy they don’t get the shot.

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According to GolfTV, Rahm was placed in quarantine May 31 for having been contact traced after coming into direct contact with someone who tested positive. Why was he even allowed to play this week?

If this is accurate, the PGA Tour has some ‘splaining to do!

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25 minutes ago, sixcat said:

According to GolfTV, Rahm was placed in quarantine May 31 for having been contact traced after coming into direct contact with someone who tested positive. Why was he even allowed to play this week?

If this is accurate, the PGA Tour has some ‘splaining to do!

I’m stunned that someone who had exposure would be allowed to play.  
 

that’s an automatic 10 day quarantine 

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While we all have the right to make our own PPEs the tour’s decision not to include an automatic quarantine after an exposure is astonishing. They better pray that no one associated with Rahm this week becomes symptomatic.

 

Thankfully any contact that he would have had with fans would be casual and not considered direct - but wow.  This is nuts - 

I’m not upset with him - he was following their rules. I feel terrible for him. 

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I think that’s where I am @revkev.  It just feels very irresponsible on the Tours behalf to allow someone deemed to have been in direct contact to even tee it up this week. 

I don’t blame Rahm. He’s just following Tour protocol.

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I’m good with anyone continuing to play after contact tracing as long as they keep passing blood tests and aren’t showing symptoms. One can’t pass it to someone else if they aren’t contagious, plain-and-simple. There are MANY folks who slept in the same bed with someone who was positive, but never came down with Covid. I’m sure I’m in the minority in thought here, though.

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1 hour ago, PMookie said:

I’m good with anyone continuing to play after contact tracing as long as they keep passing blood tests and aren’t showing symptoms. One can’t pass it to someone else if they aren’t contagious, plain-and-simple. There are MANY folks who slept in the same bed with someone who was positive, but never came down with Covid. I’m sure I’m in the minority in thought here, though.

You know that I have great respect for you so don’t interpret this as anything but a disagreement because I have lived with managing the risks of COVID spread for well over a year.  In this regard I know what I’m writing about as I’ve literally been responsible for the COVID health of 1,000 people every day for 15 months - 

 

The simple rule is to be a layer ahead - at all times. We had exactly one minor outbreak in the entire time because an employee assumed the a couple of 2 year olds with the sniffles had an allergy problem.  That resulted in 7 COVID cases and a two day school closure. The health department commended us for our safety procedures because we limited exposure to others beyond the initial outbreak.  The employee works elsewhere.

Allowing someone who has been exposed to COVID to be out in public is not staying ahead.  It’s putting people at undo risk.  48 hours after exposure he could be contagious symptoms or not.  In fact, now we know that he was. 

 

It’s not automatic that because you live with someone you will get it but your odds go from 1/10 when things were at their worst to 50/50. 
 

Also I understand why Rahm may have decided not to be vaccinated. That’s his prerogative - my job is to keep people safe, not make them do stuff they don’t want to do. We never had a mask mandate for church services - didn’t have to - most people wore them and those that didn’t stayed distanced - never passed a case on in church. 
 

I was always furious when the CDC claimed that church was dangerous - it would have been had we done what we usually did but we changed to keep people safe - every other pew, no contact, etc. etc.

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All,

Give the situation, it is impossible not to talk COVID in this thread. Here's your regular reminder to keep politics out of the Forum. We can talk about the Tour's response, but let's not broaden it out to bigger discussion of how we think things need to be handled. Thanks.

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Here’s Rahm’s response. Very classy IMO

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Rahm’s response was much more classy than most would have been, think about it, that decision cost him $1,674,000 not to mention 550 FedEx  cup points which would have moved him into 1st place in the standings.

Plus 68 points in the Official World Golf Rankings which I think would have moved him back to #1 in the World

I guess the biggest thing is his quarantine ends 2 days prior to the start of the US Open on 6/17

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30 minutes ago, TBT said:

Rahm’s response was much more classy than most would have been, think about it, that decision cost him $1,674,000 not to mention 550 FedEx  cup points which would have moved him into 1st place in the standings.

Plus 68 points in the Official World Golf Rankings which I think would have moved him back to #1 in the World

I guess the biggest thing is his quarantine ends 2 days prior to the start of the US Open on 6/17

Rahm has always been a class act, but if he chose not to be vaccinated before this, and it seems like that is the case, I can’t feel bad for him. 

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7 hours ago, revkev said:

You know that I have great respect for you so don’t interpret this as anything but a disagreement because I have lived with managing the risks of COVID spread for well over a year.  In this regard I know what I’m writing about as I’ve literally been responsible for the COVID health of 1,000 people every day for 15 months - 

 

The simple rule is to be a layer ahead - at all times. We had exactly one minor outbreak in the entire time because an employee assumed the a couple of 2 year olds with the sniffles had an allergy problem.  That resulted in 7 COVID cases and a two day school closure. The health department commended us for our safety procedures because we limited exposure to others beyond the initial outbreak.  The employee works elsewhere.

Allowing someone who has been exposed to COVID to be out in public is not staying ahead.  It’s putting people at undo risk.  48 hours after exposure he could be contagious symptoms or not.  In fact, now we know that he was. 

 

It’s not automatic that because you live with someone you will get it but your odds go from 1/10 when things were at their worst to 50/50. 
 

Also I understand why Rahm may have decided not to be vaccinated. That’s his prerogative - my job is to keep people safe, not make them do stuff they don’t want to do. We never had a mask mandate for church services - didn’t have to - most people wore them and those that didn’t stayed distanced - never passed a case on in church. 
 

I was always furious when the CDC claimed that church was dangerous - it would have been had we done what we usually did but we changed to keep people safe - every other pew, no contact, etc. etc.

He played with Cantlay and Sheffler yesterday. Neither of them have been vaccinated. They will still be allowed to continue to play under daily testing protocols. 

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He played with Cantlay and Sheffler yesterday. Neither of them have been vaccinated. They will still be allowed to continue to play under daily testing protocols. 

That would be normal according to most health guidelines at this time. They were outdoors and distanced. 
 

But its a good question or concern.

 

I’m be more concerned for his caddie who will also now loose a big pay day. I would imagine that he will be considered quarantined for 10 days due to exposure unless he’s been vaccinated. 
 

Also for Rahm quarantine means he can’t go practice at the US Open sight - he should have a range that he can get to in order to hit balls and practice. 
 

additionally that’s assuming he doesn’t develop symptoms - if he does the clock starts over but is different - it becomes 72 hours after his symptoms diminish. So….. he could have a fever and cough today, no fever and less of a cough tomorrow and the 72 hour clock has started and he’s done sooner.

 

Again this is according to most health department protocols. 
 

I also want to be clear that I’m not stating my opinion. That’s irrelevant - I’m stating what local or state governments in the US have recommended as best practice in the interest of public safety.   Sure the tour policy is based on that.  They have egg on their face today because they developed a policy that was different from what was recommended. 
 

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A lot of really good points here and frankly, I tend to agree with all you guys. 
 

My only takeaway is this. If JR chose not to get vaccinated, he knows that this was an eventual consequence of his own choice. 

Hope you guys all have a great Sunday!

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12 hours ago, sixcat said:

 

I truly feel bad for Rahm, but if the above is accurate (as it appear it is **) he has no one to blame but himself for not getting vaccinated at his earliest opportunity. Anyone who waits to get their first vaccine until they’ve been in traceable contact with a Covid positive person is taking their chances - solely his choice, his responsibility. The PGA has a published Covid protocol for players and others, updated periodically as needed, that all players have access to. They’re not making this up as they go along. Players can’t and shouldn’t be able to make up their own rules on testing, eligibility to play or anything else, as some have suggested in this thread.

Has to hurt to miss out on finishing off with a 6 shot lead on Sunday. Rahm’s statement was as it should be, live to fight another day.

** “Levinson would not disclose whether Rahm had received the COVID-19 vaccine. But under tour protocols that align with CDC guidelines, players who are fully vaccinated are no longer subject to weekly testing. Levinson also said that vaccinated players would not be subject to the contact tracing that Rahm was part of this week.”

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4 hours ago, revkev said:

Here’s Rahm’s response. Very classy IMO

Unbelievably classy move! 

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I’m still stunned he wasn’t vaccinated already. I assumed the tour “strongly encouraged” players to be vaccinated. Isn’t that what all those TV commercials were all about? Getting everyone back to normal sports! I would have loved to seen him finish today. 

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