null Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said: As Ian explained the monitors don’t always rea speed the same for every head and the different shapes of m5 and sim could cause different readings and he’s more interested in the output rather than the input which is why when you look at ball speed increase with better standard deviation, consistent spin and a more stable head Matt gained 10 yards, basically eliminated one side of the course all of which come a YOY comparison sim is significantly better than m5 Our own Tony Covey stated awhile ago that manufactures were aware of how different launch monitors read head speed and that they could even manipulate the head in terms of color/finish and shape to make the monitor read slower or faster and thus influence the smash factor. Tony's point? Only ballspeed matters MattF, TR1PTIK, J.B. TexasEx and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.B. TexasEx Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 1 minute ago, RickyBobby_PR said: As Ian explained the monitors don’t always rea speed the same for every head and the different shapes of m5 and sim could cause different readings and he’s more interested in the output rather than the input which is why when you look at ball speed increase with better standard deviation, consistent spin and a more stable head Matt gained 10 yards, basically eliminated one side of the course all of which come a YOY comparison sim is significantly better than m5 10 yards for a 117 mph swinger. Matt's faster than the average PGA Tour pro who clocks at 113 mph, last I checked. For a 90 mph swinger it'll be, what, 3-6 yards? 10 yards isn't a full club difference for Matt and the faster swingers on Tour. It's a half-club, maybe, for regular guys. You're making a good argument for those who swing faster than 117 mph, though. TM's PGA staffers shouldn't have a difficult time making the switch and upgrading to the new tech. TM's tour van should have them dialed in - no problem. Quote My C-130 cart bag includes; DRIVER: z565 10.5*, Miyazaki Kaula Mizu 6 S-Flex FAIRWAYS: X-Hot 15* & 18*, Project X PXv, R-Flex and 21*, UST DHI dRVR, R-Flex IRONS: New Level 623-CB, 5-PW, IO, 5.5 R+Flex WEDGES: CG10; 50*, 54*, 58*, Dynamic Gold W-Flex PUTTER: Ray Cook Blue Goose GRIPS: Lamkin Crossline (irons), Lamkin UTx (wedges), Golf Pride Z-Cord & MCC (woods) BALL: Kirkland Signature 3-Piece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 15 minutes ago, J.B. TexasEx said: 10 yards for a 117 mph swinger. Matt's faster than the average PGA Tour pro who clocks at 113 mph, last I checked. For a 90 mph swinger it'll be, what, 3-6 yards? 10 yards isn't a full club difference for Matt and the faster swingers on Tour. It's a half-club, maybe, for regular guys. You're making a good argument for those who swing faster than 117 mph, though. TM's PGA staffers shouldn't have a difficult time making the switch and upgrading to the new tech. TM's tour van should have them dialed in - no problem. The results are going to vary from person to person and a golfer swinging 90 might or be a fit for the sim. It’s another reason companies offer various models so that they cover all the golfers. I’ve seen on other sites that people have gained 1-3 mph is clubhead speed or ball speed depending on who was posting. TXG is going to do an m6 to sim max comparison. This will be where we can see how a design that is more beneficial to slower speeds compares to the previous year. Ian and Matt both think that the difference between those two heads will be closer to each other than the m5 and SIM are. The facts in the TXG video show that from the m5 to the sim there were improvements made. But as TXG, MGS and various others always say go test for yourself and get fit. null and TR1PTIK 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.B. TexasEx Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Just now, RickyBobby_PR said: The results are going to vary from person to person and a golfer swinging 90 might or be a fit for the sim. It’s another reason companies offer various models so that they cover all the golfers. I’ve seen on other sites that people have gained 1-3 mph is clubhead speed or ball speed depending on who was posting. TXG is going to do an m6 to sim max comparison. This will be where we can see how a design that is more beneficial to slower speeds compares to the previous year. Ian and Matt both think that the difference between those two heads will be closer to each other than the m5 and SIM are. The facts in the TXG video show that from the m5 to the sim there were improvements made. But as TXG, MGS and various others always say go test for yourself and get fit. I have no doubts the new tech helps, I'm just saying it's marginal for the 90 mph, regular guy. Does TM sponsor TXG's channel? Or are they truly brand agnostic, too, like MGS? Just curious, because I'm surprised they had the TM engineer on their channel. JonMUSC08 1 Quote My C-130 cart bag includes; DRIVER: z565 10.5*, Miyazaki Kaula Mizu 6 S-Flex FAIRWAYS: X-Hot 15* & 18*, Project X PXv, R-Flex and 21*, UST DHI dRVR, R-Flex IRONS: New Level 623-CB, 5-PW, IO, 5.5 R+Flex WEDGES: CG10; 50*, 54*, 58*, Dynamic Gold W-Flex PUTTER: Ray Cook Blue Goose GRIPS: Lamkin Crossline (irons), Lamkin UTx (wedges), Golf Pride Z-Cord & MCC (woods) BALL: Kirkland Signature 3-Piece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrogginBullfish Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Ian did work as a fitter for TaylorMade for awhile but TXG is brand agnostic. They've also had Chris Voshall from Mizuno on the channel on multiple occasions. I have no doubts the new tech helps, I'm just saying it's marginal for the 90 mph, regular guy. Does TM sponsor TXG's channel? Or are they truly brand agnostic, too, like MGS? Just curious, because I'm surprised they had the TM engineer on their channel. Sent from my Pixel 2 using MyGolfSpy mobile app TR1PTIK, GolfSpy_BOS and J.B. TexasEx 3 Quote DRIVER PXG 0811XF GEN4 (10.5°) FAIRWAY WOODS PXG 0341XF GEN4 (16°) HYBRIDS PXG 0317XF GEN4 (19°), PXG 0317X GEN4 (22°) IRONS PXG 0311T GEN3 (5 - 9) WEDGES TAYLORMADE MG3 (45°, 50°, 55° TW Grind, 60° TW Grind) PUTTER PXG BATTLE READY ONE & DONE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR1PTIK Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) 56 minutes ago, J.B. TexasEx said: I don't believe driver tech makes quantum leaps YOY. The SIM may be marginally more "forgiving" than the M5, but I'd rather see the results from Iron Byron - a swing we know is gonna repeat damn near every time. Even TXG's Matty can't match the robot's consistency. Robot testing would likely only do an even better job of showing gains over M5 as that’s part of how these clubs are tested at the OEM and where a lot of the marketing claims come from. What really matters though is how golfers swing the club because nobody is out teeing it up with a robot. You are correct though. Year over year improvements are typically quite marginal - especially for slower swing speeds. That doesn’t mean an individual golfer won’t see significantly better results. It just means they shouldn’t expect it. Edited January 8, 2020 by TR1PTIK JonMUSC08, J.B. TexasEx, NM01 and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 28 minutes ago, J.B. TexasEx said: I have no doubts the new tech helps, I'm just saying it's marginal for the 90 mph, regular guy. Does TM sponsor TXG's channel? Or are they truly brand agnostic, too, like MGS? Just curious, because I'm surprised they had the TM engineer on their channel. That’s why it’s up to the individual to test to see what the gains are for themselves but using a thing like swing speed as a basis for judging anything is somewhat silly. There is a lot more that goes into how the ball flies thru the air. Not every 90mph golfer swings the same or delivers the club the same. Just like every person swing 105 doesn’t have the same swing. Contact location, aoa, face to patch, dynamic loft, spin loft all play a role in the end results. I can tell you new tech isn’t marginal for 90 mph swingers. There’s guys on this forum I know and others I play with or have seen fit that have seen distance and/or dispersion improvement with new tech. TR1PTIK and JonMUSC08 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.B. TexasEx Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 11 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said: I can tell you new tech isn’t marginal for 90 mph swingers. There’s guys on this forum I know and others I play with or have seen fit that have seen distance and/or dispersion improvement with new tech. Okay, but I'm saying the gains are "marginal" trading up from TM's M5 to the SIM. Based on articles I've read here and elsewhere, the CORs for modern driver clubfaces are maxed out. Gains can now only be made by added "forgiveness" and, to your point, tighter dispersions. Quote My C-130 cart bag includes; DRIVER: z565 10.5*, Miyazaki Kaula Mizu 6 S-Flex FAIRWAYS: X-Hot 15* & 18*, Project X PXv, R-Flex and 21*, UST DHI dRVR, R-Flex IRONS: New Level 623-CB, 5-PW, IO, 5.5 R+Flex WEDGES: CG10; 50*, 54*, 58*, Dynamic Gold W-Flex PUTTER: Ray Cook Blue Goose GRIPS: Lamkin Crossline (irons), Lamkin UTx (wedges), Golf Pride Z-Cord & MCC (woods) BALL: Kirkland Signature 3-Piece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonMUSC08 Posted January 8, 2020 Author Share Posted January 8, 2020 Curious, has any reviewer (youtube, internet, etc) ever come out and said the newest driver (any brand) is not as good as the year before? Quote Charleston, SC HDCP 13.0 Driver: M6 9* with 65g Stiff Mitsubishi Tensei Red shaft 3 wood: G425 stiff shaft 5 wood: Stealth 2 stiff shaft 4-gw irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal w/ X-stiff KBS 130gr shafts (soft stepped) Wedges: MG3 52, 56, 60 Putter: 34" Scotty Cameron 12.5 Ball: ProV-1x Tracked By: MGS Tester '20 - G710 Iron Review MGS Tester '19 - Precision Pro NX9 HD Pro laser rangefinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_BOS Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 It's starting to seem to me that this SIM might be different enough that it can be significantly better (or worse) for certain players than the M5 due to the seemingly large change in CG and MOI. If I recall the initial Driver CG primer MGS talks about how a brand might tend to all be in the same ball part for CG and MOI (Think PING G30, G400, G410 are all around the same area on the CG NA charts (shift along the MOI line) It seems this SIM is going to be closer to where the Cobra f9 is which is significantly different than the M5. One was High CG vs Low CG on the chart. The SIM seems like it is a change in design theory within Taylormade. Titleist did this when they went from the 917 line to the TS2 line as well. The article suggests that players may perform better with drivers in the same relative area as another good performer, so maybe that is the case with the SIM vs M5. If the reports are true about needing to "loft up" and still getting low spin this might be too low/low for me compared to the M5. I hit the 10.5 M5 two notches up in loft the best. And my spin was in the low 2000's there! haha Either way, I'll give it a swing to see for myself... the G30 has got to get kicked out of the bag as some point! Quote Qi10 - Terra Forza White | Speedzone 5-wood - Ventus Blue 8S | G430 3-Hybrid - Kai'li White 80s SMS Pro 4-PW - Steelfiber i110S | MG3 Raw Black 50.09, 54.11, 58.11 - DG TI S200 Mezz Max | Pro V1x | Vortex Blade | Ghost Maverick Black Ops - Forum Edition | CaddyLite EZ v8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Okay, but I'm saying the gains are "marginal" trading up from TM's M5 to the SIMHard to impossible to make that a blanket statement. Some people may see losses, some no change, and some improvement. Depends on how well the driver fits the player. This is independent of the player having gone through a fitting or just picking the club off the rack. THEZIPR23, TR1PTIK, GolfSpy_BOS and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: Paradym AI Smoke Max HL 16.5* w/MCA TENSEI AV Series Blue Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Render w/VA Composites Baddazz Backup Putters: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe, Milled Collection RSX 2 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR1PTIK Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 TXG has the SIM Max vs M6 video up. Matty gained ball speed with a mild drop in spin, but a much closer comparison IMO. Ball flights and groupings were very similar. I think this driver just made the short list if I get the chance to do some bag upgrades this year. yungkory, NM01, GolfSpy_BOS and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 1 hour ago, J.B. TexasEx said: Okay, but I'm saying the gains are "marginal" trading up from TM's M5 to the SIM. Based on articles I've read here and elsewhere, the CORs for modern driver clubfaces are maxed out. Gains can now only be made by added "forgiveness" and, to your point, tighter dispersions. That will vary from user to user Iike any other driver from any brand. Some will see significant distance increases like Matt. Some may see little ones like Rick Shiels. Also what is considered significant for one may not be for another...a 3 yard increase may be worth it for one person to upgrade while someone else says that’s not enough to spend money on. the other thing as talked about is that speed/distance gains aren’t always where improvements can or will be seen. Look at the txg video and see how much the standard deviation improved from m5 to sim. That improves the consistency of ball flight which I’m sure the vast majority of golfers will take. matt also eliminated one side of the course by upgrading and again that’s something the vast majority of golfers would take. Making. A statement the gains are marginal is a pretty wide net to cast and like many things in golf generalizing isn’t a good thing as things vary by golfer. TR1PTIK 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 1 hour ago, TR1PTIK said: TXG has the SIM Max vs M6 video up. Matty gained ball speed with a mild drop in spin, but a much closer comparison IMO. Ball flights and groupings were very similar. I think this driver just made the short list if I get the chance to do some bag upgrades this year. Another good video from them. It was in my very short list and is still there. edingc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_BOS Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Just to try and illustrate what I was talking about earlier...I’m guessing we see the SIM lineup moves well away from the M3/M5,And maybe even lower than the M6. At the very least it looks like MOI has been increased significantly with the improved stability, so maybe more towards PINGs circle. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Qi10 - Terra Forza White | Speedzone 5-wood - Ventus Blue 8S | G430 3-Hybrid - Kai'li White 80s SMS Pro 4-PW - Steelfiber i110S | MG3 Raw Black 50.09, 54.11, 58.11 - DG TI S200 Mezz Max | Pro V1x | Vortex Blade | Ghost Maverick Black Ops - Forum Edition | CaddyLite EZ v8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 11 minutes ago, B.Boston said: Just to try and illustrate what I was talking about earlier... I’m guessing we see the SIM lineup moves well away from the M3/M5, And maybe even lower than the M6. At the very least it looks like MOI has been increased significantly with the improved stability, so maybe more towards PINGs circle. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Numbers, charts, graphs, handicaps, swing speeds, etc are great and all but it boils down to the the individual swinging the club. You could take 2 guys with same handicap or swing speed but swing the club entirely different and see different results. The guys that are doing the most wanted testing see it, I’ve seen it on the course with friends and random pairings. cnosil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 The SIM and SIM max were in my most wanted testing rotation today. Swing was doing pretty well today and speeds were in the 105-108 range. Also included were XXIO and Srixon 785. No real ball speed advantage from what I could tell. The SIM launches high and we had to turn down the loft to get good launch angle. Sound was very much like a thud which I didn't like. Overall a nice driver and it would be something I would put in the possibility pile when doing more detailed analysis. GolfSpy_BOS, MaxEntropy, edingc and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: Paradym AI Smoke Max HL 16.5* w/MCA TENSEI AV Series Blue Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Render w/VA Composites Baddazz Backup Putters: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe, Milled Collection RSX 2 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_BOS Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 The SIM and SIM max were in my most wanted testing rotation today. Swing was doing pretty well today and speeds were in the 105-108 range. Also included were XXIO and Srixon 785. No real ball speed advantage from what I could tell. The SIM launches high and we had to turn down the loft to get good launch angle. Sound was very much like a thud which I didn't like. Overall a nice driver and it would be something I would put in the possibility pile when doing more detailed analysis. Interesting... the SIM wasn’t low launching? I thought Matty at TXG was hitting it in 10.5 to get his launch up, but spin stayed down. I think I’d like the thud sound. Wish I lived closer and could be a tester! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Qi10 - Terra Forza White | Speedzone 5-wood - Ventus Blue 8S | G430 3-Hybrid - Kai'li White 80s SMS Pro 4-PW - Steelfiber i110S | MG3 Raw Black 50.09, 54.11, 58.11 - DG TI S200 Mezz Max | Pro V1x | Vortex Blade | Ghost Maverick Black Ops - Forum Edition | CaddyLite EZ v8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 11 minutes ago, B.Boston said: Interesting... the SIM wasn’t low launching? I thought Matty at TXG was hitting it in 10.5 to get his launch up, but spin stayed down. I think I’d like the thud sound. Wish I lived closer and could be a tester! Probably depends on AoA and where we hit it on the face. I am generally pretty level and hit the ball high on the face. Harry mentioned he dropped it down to 7 degrees and then we bumped it up a little but definitely sub 9*. The sounds to me was just off. GolfSpy_BOS 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: Paradym AI Smoke Max HL 16.5* w/MCA TENSEI AV Series Blue Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Render w/VA Composites Baddazz Backup Putters: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe, Milled Collection RSX 2 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMookie Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Hit it today. Very consistent ball speed and smash, and SURPRISINGLY forgiving! I had a few I thought were way left or right off the face and, NOPE! Nice club.Set it down next to M5 and the SIM DEFINITELY sits much more square. Really nice looking. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro edingc, yungkory, GolfSpy_BOS and 4 others 7 Quote Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quigleyd Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 I have not been a fan of TM for a long time. I am very surprised at this driver. I am always a bit skeptical to marketing stories, but I think this one has some legs to it. The M5 and M6 were both very slow for me in terms of ball speeds. This is very much the opposite. It works. Quote Driver: Callaway Paradym Triple diamond 10.5 Ventus black TR 6x 3 wood ; Callaway Paradym triple diamond 15 degree, Ventus black TR 7x Apex UW 19 degree, Ventus black TR 8x Utility Iron: Mizuno Pro Fli Hi 4 utility, Ventus blue HB 90X Irons: Callaway Apex MB 5-PW, KBS $ taper 130x Wedges: Callaway Jaws Raw 50, 54, 58, KBS $ taper 130x Putter: Wilson Staff TM22, hand torched, KBS cutter putter shaft, Super stroke Pistol GT 1.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smellis745 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 I was able to hit the SIM today. Really liked it. Sound, to my ear, is similar to the M5/6 in that it’s more of a muted crack, where my hot melted M3 still has a little bit of the plink sound. As far as feel, the best way to describe it vs my M3 is solid. Not that the M3 isn’t, something about the SIM was just different. All in all, it’ll be at the top of my list when it’s tome to see if there’s anything better. sirchunksalot 1 Quote PXG 0811X Gen 4 7.5* - Graphite Design Tour AD-HD 7 TX TaylorMade M6 15* - PX HZRDUS Green 80 TX Titleist 913 Fd 18* - MCA KuroKage XMS 90 X Callaway XForged UT 20* - Aldila Rogue Black 105 TX Srixon Z745 4-P - PX LZ 7.0 Vokey SM8- 52F/58M - DG TI S400 Odyssey Black #3 34” Titleist Pro V1X - Yellow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozzit Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 On 1/10/2020 at 1:41 PM, Smellis745 said: I was able to hit the SIM today. Really liked it. Sound, to my ear, is similar to the M5/6 in that it’s more of a muted crack, where my hot melted M3 still has a little bit of the plink sound. As far as feel, the best way to describe it vs my M3 is solid. Not that the M3 isn’t, something about the SIM was just different. All in all, it’ll be at the top of my list when it’s tome to see if there’s anything better. How did it feel and perform when you hit it? Quote Driver: Ben Hogan GS53 4W: Maltby KE4 2i: Maltby KE4 FDI 4-PW: Maltby TS-1 - C-Taper 120g 50,54,58: Maltby TSW Putter: L.A.B. DF2.1 Accra Shaft 2023 Forum Testers - L.A.B. Putters Ball: Mixed prefer ProV1 or Snell Handicap: 9.2 - Best Score: 72 (E) Springdale CC, Canton NC -2022 2020 Forum Tester - Ben Hogan GS53 Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenGolfer Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 Ugly. It looks and sounds to me like nothing more than gimmicks and marketing hype. Quote "I suppose its better to be a master of 7 than to be vaguely familiar with 14." - Chick Evans Whats in my Sun Mountain 2.5+ stand bag? Woods: Tommy Armour Atomic 10.5* Hybrid: Mizuno MP Fli-Hi 3H Irons: Mizuno T-Zoid True 5, 7 and 9-irons Wedge: Mizuno S18 54* and Top Flite chipper Putter: Mizuno Bettinardi A-02 Ball: Maxfli Tour X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 29 minutes ago, ZenGolfer said: Ugly. It looks and sounds to me like nothing more than gimmicks and marketing hype. Interesting to make such a solid opinon without seeing it in person or hitting it. Sounds like some preconceived anti TaylorMade bias going on. ZenGolfer, HardcoreLooper and yungkory 3 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenGolfer Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 Interesting to make such a solid opinon without seeing it in person or hitting it. Sounds like some preconceived anti TaylorMade bias going on. Perhaps a bit. I'd love to see them prove me wrong though.Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk Quote "I suppose its better to be a master of 7 than to be vaguely familiar with 14." - Chick Evans Whats in my Sun Mountain 2.5+ stand bag? Woods: Tommy Armour Atomic 10.5* Hybrid: Mizuno MP Fli-Hi 3H Irons: Mizuno T-Zoid True 5, 7 and 9-irons Wedge: Mizuno S18 54* and Top Flite chipper Putter: Mizuno Bettinardi A-02 Ball: Maxfli Tour X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 13 minutes ago, ZenGolfer said: Perhaps a bit. I'd love to see them prove me wrong though. Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk Go hit it. You never know. I havent owned a TM driver since the R15. But I am going to demo this one. It has me intriqued from some of the reviews I've watched and read. Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenGolfer Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 Go hit it. You never know. I havent owned a TM driver since the R15. But I am going to demo this one. It has me intriqued from some of the reviews I've watched and read. Or you could just buy a Cobra King F9. Pretty much the same thing. Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk Quote "I suppose its better to be a master of 7 than to be vaguely familiar with 14." - Chick Evans Whats in my Sun Mountain 2.5+ stand bag? Woods: Tommy Armour Atomic 10.5* Hybrid: Mizuno MP Fli-Hi 3H Irons: Mizuno T-Zoid True 5, 7 and 9-irons Wedge: Mizuno S18 54* and Top Flite chipper Putter: Mizuno Bettinardi A-02 Ball: Maxfli Tour X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMookie Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 Ugly. It looks and sounds to me like nothing more than gimmicks and marketing hype.It’s not... I’ve hit it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Quote Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 8 hours ago, ZenGolfer said: Ugly. It looks and sounds to me like nothing more than gimmicks and marketing hype. What’s marketing hype? Have you seen any reviews on the driver? 7 hours ago, ZenGolfer said: Perhaps a bit. I'd love to see them prove me wrong though. Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk You can go to pretty much any store and test it yourself. 6 hours ago, ZenGolfer said: Or you could just buy a Cobra King F9. Pretty much the same thing. Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk Another hot taje with zero proof. PMookie and null 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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