Shot Scope vs Arccos

[DechamBRO]

30 minutes ago, tony@CIC said:

As a former ARRCOS user and a subscription hater, I love the SS product and the support. Both my wife and I had V3's and then switched to the X5 when SS offered a special deal to SS users. The X5 intro was a bit bungled but the recent X5 firmware updates have eliminated the bugs. The V3 which you can probably find heavily discounted now is very stable and easy to use. Initially I thought I'd have a problem wearing the SS watch since I do sweat a lot in hot/humid weather but now I never notice it. Being able to quickly glance at the watch for FMB pin positions is also a great feature. Easy to use, easy to download to a phone app after play, very little if any editing  and pretty good stats on both the phone app and the pc dashboard. 

That's awesome. I am sure I wouldn't mind wearing the watch, as I was wearing a fitbit all the time anyway before it died. Might have to replace it with the X5....then I will have all the SS stuffs!

[tony@CIC]

1 minute ago, DechamBRO said:

That's awesome. I am sure I wouldn't mind wearing the watch, as I was wearing a fitbit all the time anyway before it died. Might have to replace it with the X5....then I will have all the SS stuffs!

FYI the only-non golf info the watch gives you is a step counter. 

[KC Golf]

1 hour ago, tony@CIC said:

FYI the only-non golf info the watch gives you is a step counter. 

Arccos now puts yardage numbers on the Apple iPhone Lock Screen  I am told you can take it to your friends ball and it uses that instead of the watch.  

Playing partners can see their yardage.  I have never done that yet.  I walk so I haven’t tried lending it someone yet…

[HeathS16]

Quick .02 here. I use an Apple watch with my Arccos and it provides the same info as the SS watch. I love it. 

[CudaKota66]

On 8/7/2023 at 5:17 AM, Paul Hedrick said:

My Arccos sensors are due to arrive today.  I am looking forward to stop complaining about Shot Scope, and start complaining about Arccos.......

You won't be disappointed. You'll have the pleasure of paying an annual subscription fee for missed shots, added shots, manually editing all of your putts, and constantly referring to your phone on the course  Using an Apple watch or a Samsung watch (made in the last 2 years) offers the same benefit as the SS X5....or the V3 with which you seemed to be content previously 

I gave Arccos a fair trial this season & came away underwhelmed. @DechamBRO gave a concise comparison of the two platforms.

The Caddie feature was originally enticing but is only accurate if your spend time correctly designating every shot as full/positional/etc. The dashboard editing is less-intuitive than Shot Scope's. Additionally, Customer Service is 'non-existent' from Arccos.

I hope you find your peace with Arccos 

[Coulter]

Just an update.. I played my 1st 9 hole round with my new shot scope x5. Let me tell you I already LOVE it! While navigating through the watch is a bit “clunky” and I wasn’t able to get the watch to connect to the app after I had started my round I thoroughly enjoyed this watch. I’ll hopefully in the next few weeks, after a few more rounds and research to learn what some of the data that’s provided means, be doing an unofficial review for anyone that might be interested in my experience.

[PhilM75072]

15 minutes ago, Coulter said:

I wasn’t able to get the watch to connect to the app after I had started my round

Once Bluetooth connectivity has been set up, the only time you currently connect the watch to the app is to upload your round(s), and maybe check for firmware and course updates. There is no functionality to be gained by connecting to the app while playing, if you even can, unless you have the CONNEX tags or when the update has come out that allows the watch V3/H4/X5 tags to connect to show aerial views of the hole, which is coming soon.

[KC Golf]

On 8/8/2023 at 5:42 AM, CudaKota66 said:

You won't be disappointed. You'll have the pleasure of paying an annual subscription fee for missed shots, added shots, manually editing all of your putts, and constantly referring to your phone on the course  Using an Apple watch or a Samsung watch (made in the last 2 years) offers the same benefit as the SS X5....or the V3 with which you seemed to be content previously 

I gave Arccos a fair trial this season & came away underwhelmed. @DechamBRO gave a concise comparison of the two platforms.

The Caddie feature was originally enticing but is only accurate if your spend time correctly designating every shot as full/positional/etc. The dashboard editing is less-intuitive than Shot Scope's. Additionally, Customer Service is 'non-existent' from Arccos.

I hope you find your peace with Arccos 

I am somewhat surprised.  I have found Arccos customer service very good.  Also on the caddie feature, I find taking out shots for each club pretty easy on the App.  The App takes out most non full shots.  

My issue with the AI Caddie is that the AI seems to pick some odd club choices not taking into account tight fairways or bunkers in fairways and always picking Driver on almost any hole.  However, just being able to see course layouts prior to the round was very helpful in getting prepped for some tough courses with tricky carry yardages…

[Paul Hedrick]

Today will be my first round after coming back to Arccos.  Most likely there will be a learning curve, as I have forgotten a lot on how Arccos functions.  Still though, I am hopeful.  That said, I still have my Shot Scope V3 and tags!  

[KC Golf]

Posted this in Arccos user thread, but I thought more people are looking here….

https://www.golfmonthly.com/features/i-want-arccos-to-be-an-essential-tool-in-your-bag-where-you-cant-imagine-playing-without-it

This is an interesting interview with the CEO of Arccos.

I really think the App and the connectivity is improving.  Sounds like they want to keep improving the Arccos technology / data.

[PhilM75072]

5 minutes ago, KC Golf said:

I really think the App and the connectivity is improving.  Sounds like they want to keep improving the Arccos technology / data.

Since this is a Arccos vs Shot Scope thread, are you suggesting that Shot Scope isn't and won't continue to keep improving their technology? 

[KC Golf]

Just now, PhilM75072 said:

Since this is a Arccos vs Shot Scope thread, are you suggesting that Shot Scope isn't and won't continue to keep improving their technology? 

Not at all.

I think a lot of people left Arccos for SS, because the connectivity was poor on Arccos.  I am just pointing out that Arccos is getting better.

[PhilM75072]

I was perusing the Arccos wish list thread. A lot of things people are "wishing for" in that thread, Shot Scope already does. Hmmmm

[csedun]

Does anyone know the # of data points that each of Garmin, ShotScope and Arccos all track? Based on my rabbit hole digging of research on this topic, Arccos seems to be the clear winner (with a price tag of course). But for a frame of reference, curious if the # of tracking points is miles different? in other words, Arccos tracks 100 data points vs. Garmin 20 (i.e. 5x more data) or is it like 1.5-2x? Anybody know? been searching like crazy for the answer!

[cnosil]

7 hours ago, csedun said:

Does anyone know the # of data points that each of Garmin, ShotScope and Arccos all track? Based on my rabbit hole digging of research on this topic, Arccos seems to be the clear winner (with a price tag of course). But for a frame of reference, curious if the # of tracking points is miles different? in other words, Arccos tracks 100 data points vs. Garmin 20 (i.e. 5x more data) or is it like 1.5-2x? Anybody know? been searching like crazy for the answer!

I don’t there is a published number for each system.   They all track basically the same metrics, it really gets down to racking things you are specifically interested in monitoring.  I can tell you that from personal experience ShotScope had significantly more data points than I care to track and review.  
 

generally you determine what you are interested in understanding and then find the system that provides that data.  

[tony@CIC]

7 hours ago, csedun said:

Does anyone know the # of data points that each of Garmin, ShotScope and Arccos all track? Based on my rabbit hole digging of research on this topic, Arccos seems to be the clear winner (with a price tag of course). But for a frame of reference, curious if the # of tracking points is miles different? in other words, Arccos tracks 100 data points vs. Garmin 20 (i.e. 5x more data) or is it like 1.5-2x? Anybody know? been searching like crazy for the answer!

100 data points sounds like overload. What exactly are you looking to track? My preference is quality of data vs. quantity. I don't want to spend an inordinate amount of time shifting through data after a round - I intuitively know my areas of improvement and where I need to beef up my skills. The data from Shotscope just confirms it. 

[Hacker60521]

@csedun what do you mean by data points?

[ChiefMikeOfficer]

On 6/9/2023 at 9:33 AM, ChiefMikeOfficer said:

I switched to Garmin's sensors last year, but did try quite a few systems before that. I have more detailed posts elsewhere on the forum, but my quick summary: 

Arccos: best stats of the bunch, but didn't like the tracking mechanisms -- phone in pocket felt terrible to me (especially as my phones kept getting bigger), and Link seemed less reliable (and easier to lose), but Link was better for tracking proximity to the hole and putts. Tags felt big/weighty. Neither of the two tracking systems would get me through 36 unless I charged between rounds -- phone tracking drained the battery very quickly, and when I tried, I think Link died around hole 30. Once tracked, though, the system was great. 

Shot Scope: Like the system better overall, but hated the watch. I only tried the older bulky watch, and by the time the smaller, better-looking ones came out, I had moved on to a Garmin watch (and didn't want to swap watches for the round -- my Garmin doubles as golf and full, everyday Smart Watch). Tags were the lightest of any of the options, and shot tracking was reliable as well, both of which moved it toward the the top of my list. With my version, I think I had to download courses onto the watch, which made round setup more difficult than others. The stats were somewhat comparable, but lagged Arccos a bit. Similar to Arccos, I could not get 36 out of the watch. 

Garmin (not on your list, but my current system): it's OK. I like it because it's reliable shot tracking and syncs with my everyday watch, and it's the only system that I could use for a full 36 holes in one day (because it's fully dependent on watch battery, and my watch will last). Stats are just OK, but the UI is nice when looking back through rounds and seeing individual shots. Putt tracking is weak on this, though -- actual putt tracking is not great on any of them, but on this one, there is no way to modify number of putts on a hole once you finish the round (I think others you can say "no, this was actually a 2-putt", but Garmin requires that you get it right before submitting). Sensors are about the size of Arccos, but battery in the sensors seem to drain quickly (maybe that's because I don't store my clubs upright? Sensors might be overly active because I store them on their side) -- but, one bonus is that the batteries in the Garmin sensors are easily replaceable, and the batteries are cheap and easy to find (I tried to look up replacing Arccos batteries, and it seems possible, but fairly difficult). 

 

12 hours ago, csedun said:

Does anyone know the # of data points that each of Garmin, ShotScope and Arccos all track? Based on my rabbit hole digging of research on this topic, Arccos seems to be the clear winner (with a price tag of course). But for a frame of reference, curious if the # of tracking points is miles different? in other words, Arccos tracks 100 data points vs. Garmin 20 (i.e. 5x more data) or is it like 1.5-2x? Anybody know? been searching like crazy for the answer!

Tagging in my post from last year -- it doesn't answer the "how many stats", but from my experience, Arccos is better than Shot Scope with stats, Shot Scope better than Garmin. Shot Scope experience is outdated now, though - it's possible they've improved. 

Garmin gives you club-by-club distance, and gives you categories that show both distance and proximity  for tee shots, approaches, chipping, and putting (with the sensors, you can go through these categories club-by-club). It does keep every round too, which lets you view some stats and shots. But, the actual performance stats leave something to be desired -- there's some interesting images involved, but I'd call it more of a "summarized shot tracking system" rather than "stat tracking"; something like Arccos does way better with stats. Some sample screens (note that I took the sensors out starting mid last year, so I can only show overall screens / can't drill down): 

Full bag: 

Tee shots - note there's an "All Clubs" filter on the right, which you can narrow to a single club, but you can't really click into these at all: 

Approach: 

And the main performance page: 

 

 

Now...for Arccos (stats outdated - haven't used in a few years), the stats are way better. Like this for club-by-club (which you might be able to piece together with Garmin, but Arccos has it in one spot):

 

And general performance: 

This was the first time I opened Arccos in a bit, and the newer dashboard focuses a lot on Strokes Gained vs. a specific handicap level (you can select your target handicap). The old one gave you a "handicap" for each part of your game, and is still accessible - for example, this: 

 

My version of Shot Scope is somewhere in between the two (but again, these stats might be dated -- I was on v2, they're now up to v5, don't know if better stats come with that or if it's just the watch features that change): 

[tony@CIC]

30 minutes ago, ChiefMikeOfficer said:

 

Tagging in my post from last year -- it doesn't answer the "how many stats", but from my experience, Arccos is better than Shot Scope with stats, Shot Scope better than Garmin. Shot Scope experience is outdated now, though - it's possible they've improved. 

Garmin gives you club-by-club distance, and gives you categories that show both distance and proximity  for tee shots, approaches, chipping, and putting (with the sensors, you can go through these categories club-by-club). It does keep every round too, which lets you view some stats and shots. But, the actual performance stats leave something to be desired -- there's some interesting images involved, but I'd call it more of a "summarized shot tracking system" rather than "stat tracking"; something like Arccos does way better with stats. Some sample screens (note that I took the sensors out starting mid last year, so I can only show overall screens / can't drill down): 

Full bag: 

Tee shots - note there's an "All Clubs" filter on the right, which you can narrow to a single club, but you can't really click into these at all: 

Approach: 

And the main performance page: 

 

 

Now...for Arccos (stats outdated - haven't used in a few years), the stats are way better. Like this for club-by-club (which you might be able to piece together with Garmin, but Arccos has it in one spot):

 

And general performance: 

This was the first time I opened Arccos in a bit, and the newer dashboard focuses a lot on Strokes Gained vs. a specific handicap level (you can select your target handicap). The old one gave you a "handicap" for each part of your game, and is still accessible - for example, this: 

 

My version of Shot Scope is somewhere in between the two (but again, these stats might be dated -- I was on v2, they're now up to v5, don't know if better stats come with that or if it's just the watch features that change): 

FYI, the current app version is 3.0.15, your earlier comment about V2 vs.V5 is the device version -the current versions of the watch are V5 and X5 (touch screen). As to the stats, the one you have missing is the club performance; distances by each club including Avg, Longest and PAVG. the latter is an average by knocking out. the outliers. 

I'll reiterate it depends on what info you're looking for and what you're going to do with it. For most golfers PAVG, Dispersion, Approach data, Strokes gained, and putting info gets the job done. I can go back to info from 2021 and see where I've made improvements (or not) year over year. All other of my other data while a  'nice to have', doesn't get referenced so of not much use to me.