Lester Shapiro Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 have you noticed that pga media coverage omits all references to money except sums raised for charity. this is either overt or covert, and deprives us of a full understanding of the tournaments. I hope MGS agrees with this and can start the ball rolling for change. The tour is NOT simply a bunch of skilled players roaming the country to raise money for charity. this is a multi-million dollar business, and we should be kept apprised of that. Example: in the Sentry playoff a couple of weeks ago, Joaquin Niemann had a birdie putt he missed that cost him $500,000. No comment from the commentators. How much more interesting telecasts would be if the broadcasters would point out that bundles of cash were being won/lost as the tournament progressed. What we have now is censorship. [email protected] Quote Link to comment
RickyBobby_PR Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 One has to pay attention to the broadcasts week to week. It may not happen at every tournament but the commentators do talk about the money the players made or lost by missing a putt or making a certain score on the course. They talk about it in regards to Ryder cup or presidents cup points to. The tour and/or the commentators aren’t hiding anything about prize money and the impacts to players rankings, winnings and so on. They spent 5 mins talking about Patrick cantlay being 1 point out of first place and all he had to do was sign his card right next time he plays and he should be in first. tony@CIC, cnosil, Larryd3 and 3 others 6 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment
cnosil Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 have you noticed that pga media coverage omits all references to money except sums raised for charity. this is either overt or covert, and deprives us of a full understanding of the tournaments. I hope MGS agrees with this and can start the ball rolling for change. The tour is NOT simply a bunch of skilled players roaming the country to raise money for charity. this is a multi-million dollar business, and we should be kept apprised of that. Example: in the Sentry playoff a couple of weeks ago, Joaquin Niemann had a birdie putt he missed that cost him $500,000. No comment from the commentators. How much more interesting telecasts would be if the broadcasters would point out that bundles of cash were being won/lost as the tournament progressed. What we have now is censorship. [email protected] They talk about prize money all the time. You can easily find career earnings and tournament earnings with a simple google search Here is the money from yesterday. https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2021/01/31/pga-tour-prize-money-farmers-insurance-open/ RickyBobby_PR, russtopherb, Rickp and 2 others 5 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: XCG7 Beta 15* w/Fujikura Fuel Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
RollingGreens Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Not sure if you have listened to any of the max homa podcasts, get a grip. He had in the past Joel dahmen on who talks about the money aspect. If he is losing how each birdie gives him and extra 5k for renovations in his new home tony@CIC and THEZIPR23 2 Quote Stealth 2 Plus 9deg Kai' li Red Stealth 2 13deg Aldilla Rogue Silver Stealth 2 15deg Aldilla Rogue Silver JPX 921 Hot Metal 4-PW Nippon Modus 120s SM8 54 and 58deg Dynamic Gold Wedge Flex Scotty Cameron Newport 2 Titleist ProV1 Hoofer Stand Bag Stewart Q Follow Electric Caddie 300 PRO Rangefinder Official Nippon Regio B+ Driver Shaft Review Official Stewart Q Follow Review Link to comment
Lester Shapiro Posted February 2, 2021 Author Share Posted February 2, 2021 On 2/1/2021 at 11:26 AM, cnosil said: They talk about prize money all the time. You can easily find career earnings and tournament earnings with a simple google search Here is the money from yesterday. https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2021/01/31/pga-tour-prize-money-farmers-insurance-open/ i never hear about money and i watch a lot of golf on tv. the only detailed report is by the associated press monday morning. i did not hear anyone note that reed scooped up $1.3+ million. And if that feeble little bounce embedded his ball those should have been wearing waders instead of golf shoes. Quote Link to comment
RickyBobby_PR Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 27 minutes ago, Lester Shapiro said: i never hear about money and i watch a lot of golf on tv. the only detailed report is by the associated press monday morning. i did not hear anyone note that reed scooped up $1.3+ million. And if that feeble little bounce embedded his ball those should have been wearing waders instead of golf shoes. They talked Sunday about some of the guys that were in contention dropping spots on the money. it may not always be a specific amount of cash but they will talk about shots costing a player positions on the leaderboard. Pretty much every week they say how much a person won or what the prize total is for winning. Did you know that Rory on 18 had the same situation as Reed? Did you know they rules officials commented that the same situation happened a hundred times during the course of the 4 days? You’re looking for something that’s not there. russtopherb and tony@CIC 2 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment
GaDawg Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 On 2/1/2021 at 10:44 AM, Lester Shapiro said: have you noticed that pga media coverage omits all references to money except sums raised for charity. this is either overt or covert, and deprives us of a full understanding of the tournaments. I hope MGS agrees with this and can start the ball rolling for change. The tour is NOT simply a bunch of skilled players roaming the country to raise money for charity. this is a multi-million dollar business, and we should be kept apprised of that. Example: in the Sentry playoff a couple of weeks ago, Joaquin Niemann had a birdie putt he missed that cost him $500,000. No comment from the commentators. How much more interesting telecasts would be if the broadcasters would point out that bundles of cash were being won/lost as the tournament progressed. What we have now is censorship. [email protected] I have one word for you MEDIA..... In my opinion, they are all the same. Quote Driver: TSI3 - 10*, Hzrdus Smoke 6.0 Stiff Driver: Stealth Plus - 10.5*, Oban Kiyoshi Purple O4Flex-65 Grams Purred 3 Wood: SIM - 15*, Graphite Design Tour AD DJ5 Stiff Hybrid: TS3 - 19*, Hzrdus Smoke 6.0 Stiff Irons: 5 - PW T150, with Nippon Zelos 7 Reg, 4 iron - U505 with Project X HZRDUS Black Stiff Wedges: Vokey SM 8 - 50*, 60* Standard Wedge Shafts Wedge: Milled Grind 3 MG3 56* S200 shaft Putter: Studio Select Newport 1.5 Putter: Phantom X 5.5 Ball: Pro V1x Link to comment
Middler Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 On 2/1/2021 at 11:26 AM, cnosil said: They talk about prize money all the time. You can easily find career earnings and tournament earnings with a simple google search Here is the money from yesterday. https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2021/01/31/pga-tour-prize-money-farmers-insurance-open/ +1. They talk about prize money often enough in my view, and the OP can do an online search and find out what every player in any tournament wins. The running total winnings for each player is also readily available online. Why do some people assume something sinister without doing a little research first? There’s no “censorship” that I can see. tony@CIC 1 Quote Titleist TSR2 11° HZRDUS Red CB 50 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Titleist TSR2 16.5º HZRDUS Red 60 CB 6.0 & TSR2 21º HZRDUS Black 4G 70 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Mizuno JPX923 HMP 4-GW, T22 54.12WS, T22 58.04DC w Lamkin ST+2 Hybrid Midsize Evnroll EV5.3 Maxfli Tour & ProV1 Ping Pioneer - MGI Zip Navigator AT Payntr X 002 LE, Ecco Biom C4, Payntr X 001 F (Mesh) Link to comment
tony@CIC Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 I tend to watch LPGA more often then PGA, and they talk about money all the time. However, sometimes the conversation goes to the prize $$ disparity between the two rather than what a missed putt cost the golfer. Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy GaDawg and cnosil 2 Quote Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment
tony@CIC Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 I tend to watch LPGA more often then PGA, and they talk about money all the time. However, sometimes the conversation goes to the prize $$ disparity between the two rather than what a missed putt cost the golfer. BTW I'm glad they do talk about how much the Tour contributes to local charities. I wish all professional sports did - that might point out a bigger disparity on local contributions. Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpySent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy Quote Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment
Headhammer Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 I have to agree with the OP, this year there has been less and less discussions of money than in year's past. I think it probably has to do with the current state of our economy with people being out of work, small business failures and death. Hard to gain sympathy for a guy missing a putt that cost him and additional $100K, when a lot of people are struggling. Buffly 1 Quote Driver: Speed Zone 9* HZRDUS Smoke Yellow Shaft 3 Wood: King Speedzone 13.5* HZRDUS Smoke Black Shaft 2 & 3 Hybrids: Speedzone Recoil 480 ESX Shaft Irons: Speedzone 5-GW Recoil 460 ESX Shafts Wedges: PM Grind 54* & 58* Putter: Dual Force Rossi II Ball: Whatever I find in the woods HCP:18 Link to comment
Lester Shapiro Posted February 3, 2021 Author Share Posted February 3, 2021 15 hours ago, Middler said: +1. They talk about prize money often enough in my view, and the OP can do an online search and find out what every player in any tournament wins. The running total winnings for each player is also readily available online. Why do some people assume something sinister without doing a little research first? There’s no “censorship” that I can see. Quote Link to comment
Lester Shapiro Posted February 3, 2021 Author Share Posted February 3, 2021 i'm old, and i don't hear very well, but what i do hear doesn't sound like what you're telling me, and suggestions to "do a little research" support my contention that the pga doesn't want the media to go on big bucks. i repeat: did anyone hear the sum of $1,350,000 when reed holed out on 18? And take another look at the video and tell me that little bounce generated enough velocity to embed a golf ball. Quote Link to comment
russtopherb Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Genuine question - why would the casual PGA fan care about the exact amount won by a tour pro? Event wins and FedEx Cup points seem to be far more important given rankings, who qualifies at the end of the season, etc. I can honestly say I've never been watching an event and thinking to myself "Boy I hope DJ pulls into third place so he can earn an extra $500,000!" They're all mostly millionaires and well above our pay bracket, so frankly I'm not sure if the casual fan really cares hearing about per event winnings. RickyBobby_PR, gavinski91, BIG STU and 1 other 4 Quote In my Big Max hybrid bag: ST-X 10.5* Kai'li Blue R Flex ST-Z 15* Kai'li Blue R Flex ST-Z 4h Linq Blue R Flex Launcher 5h D7 6i-GW CBX 54* & 58* Huntington Beach #10 e12 Contact Link to comment
RickyBobby_PR Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 42 minutes ago, Lester Shapiro said: i'm old, and i don't hear very well, but what i do hear doesn't sound like what you're telling me, and suggestions to "do a little research" support my contention that the pga doesn't want the media to go on big bucks. i repeat: did anyone hear the sum of $1,350,000 when reed holed out on 18? And take another look at the video and tell me that little bounce generated enough velocity to embed a golf ball. As for the Reed bounce the rules official on the scene, the ones watching video later and the on air official during sundays round all said the samething. Not to mention Rory’s ball on 18 bounced and was embedded, he took his relief. Again in post event interviews the rules officials for the tourney said the same situation occurred hundreds of times during the week, but Reed was the only to call an official to get confirmation and was willing to accept it not being embedded of the official said it wasn’t. Reed followed all the rules including when he marked and lifted the ball and didn’t clean it. But it’s beating a dead horse to keep talking about. As for the money it’s nothing that’s hidden anywhere. All one has to do is look at the tour’s website and see the prize money available for each tournament and as been mentioned the breakdown is available afterwards for all too see, but again beating a dead horse. Nobody in the media or the tour is hiding anything on money. As @russtopherb mentions the actual value is of interest to very few fans. Anyone watching knows what the scores are based on the leaderboard and can easily tell that someone will move up, down or stay in the same spot on the leaderboard based on their score on a hole and that the position on the leaderboard determines what portion of money they will get and if they are sharing it with others or not cnosil, russtopherb and tony@CIC 3 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment
Lester Shapiro Posted February 7, 2021 Author Share Posted February 7, 2021 On 2/3/2021 at 12:35 PM, RickyBobby_PR said: As for the Reed bounce the rules official on the scene, the ones watching video later and the on air official during sundays round all said the samething. Not to mention Rory’s ball on 18 bounced and was embedded, he took his relief. Again in post event interviews the rules officials for the tourney said the same situation occurred hundreds of times during the week, but Reed was the only to call an official to get confirmation and was willing to accept it not being embedded of the official said it wasn’t. Reed followed all the rules including when he marked and lifted the ball and didn’t clean it. But it’s beating a dead horse to keep talking about. As for the money it’s nothing that’s hidden anywhere. All one has to do is look at the tour’s website and see the prize money available for each tournament and as been mentioned the breakdown is available afterwards for all too see, but again beating a dead horse. Nobody in the media or the tour is hiding anything on money. As @russtopherb mentions the actual value is of interest to very few fans. Anyone watching knows what the scores are based on the leaderboard and can easily tell that someone will move up, down or stay in the same spot on the leaderboard based on their score on a hole and that the position on the leaderboard determines what portion of money they will get and if they are sharing it with others or not Quote Link to comment
Lester Shapiro Posted February 7, 2021 Author Share Posted February 7, 2021 that's exactly my point: YOU have to look around for the money, and finding out the next day is not the same as an announcer saying, for example: "and with that putt, (name) wraps it up, and pockets a million point three." you never have, and never will hear anything remotely like that, or, for example " the way things are shaping up, that miss -hit is gonna cost him a lot of money." And how many of know that quite a few years ago a lobbyist hired by the PGA successfully amended a bill that significantly fattened their pension plan. It only took six or seven words, and never even mentioned PGA. Padraic Harrington, an accountant before he was a pro, praised this until the PGA made him clam up. So, don't try telling me the PGA isn't acutely PR conscious about all that money. Quote Link to comment
DaveP043 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, Lester Shapiro said: So, don't try telling me the PGA isn't acutely PR conscious about all that money. Of course they're PR conscious, they're in the entertainment business. They need our eyeballs to make the advertising rights worth a bunch of money so the networks can pay the Tour a bunch of money which flows largely to the players. It makes complete sense for the Tour to insist that their broadcast partners don't emphasize the money, that they don't emphasize how much richer the players are than the rest of us. This isn't nefarious, this is normal business. BIG STU, cnosil, tony@CIC and 1 other 4 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment
RickyBobby_PR Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 18 minutes ago, Lester Shapiro said: that's exactly my point: YOU have to look around for the money, and finding out the next day is not the same as an announcer saying, for example: "and with that putt, (name) wraps it up, and pockets a million point three." you never have, and never will hear anything remotely like that, or, for example " the way things are shaping up, that miss -hit is gonna cost him a lot of money." And how many of know that quite a few years ago a lobbyist hired by the PGA successfully amended a bill that significantly fattened their pension plan. It only took six or seven words, and never even mentioned PGA. Padraic Harrington, an accountant before he was a pro, praised this until the PGA made him clam up. So, don't try telling me the PGA isn't acutely PR conscious about all that money. It’s really not that hard to find the money. A simple google search of waste management payout and one of the first links was golf digest. The announcers aren’t there to tell you every shot costs or makes a person x dollars. I’ve heard them talk about as an example the players championship have a higher purse than the some other tournaments. The winners payout is pretty much the same percentage every week as are the payouts for each positions. You can look on the pga tour website at the schedule and see that the WM has a purse of $7.3 million and calculate the percentage for each spot and do the same each week based on their website and the purse for each event. But this thread is making a mountain out of a mole hill for a perception of lack of transparency in an effort to keep the public blind which isn’t anywhere near the case https://www.golfdigest.com/story/here-is-the-prize-money-payout-for-each-golfer-at-the-2021-waste-management-phoenix-open tony@CIC and russtopherb 2 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment
cnosil Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 3 hours ago, Lester Shapiro said: that's exactly my point: YOU have to look around for the money, and finding out the next day is not the same as an announcer saying, for example: "and with that putt, (name) wraps it up, and pockets a million point three." you never have, and never will hear anything remotely like that, or, for example " the way things are shaping up, that miss -hit is gonna cost him a lot of money." And how many of know that quite a few years ago a lobbyist hired by the PGA successfully amended a bill that significantly fattened their pension plan. It only took six or seven words, and never even mentioned PGA. Padraic Harrington, an accountant before he was a pro, praised this until the PGA made him clam up. So, don't try telling me the PGA isn't acutely PR conscious about all that money. Let's try a different way to look at this. How much an athlete makes from an even it probably some of the most well known information as it is often used to entice the player to play. Generally, the amount of money people make from their job isn't public information. How much do you make, how much do your coworkers make? I know the companies I have worked for frown on discussing how much you earn. tony@CIC, RickyBobby_PR and DaveP043 3 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: XCG7 Beta 15* w/Fujikura Fuel Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
fixyurdivot Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Just read this entire thread... interesting in an odd way. Nothing to add but can you imagine stepping up to a putt and knowing the difference between a miss and a make is a 6 or 7 figure check . RickyBobby_PR and tony@CIC 2 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Official Review) Link to comment
ZenGolfer Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 On 2/1/2021 at 10:44 AM, Lester Shapiro said: have you noticed that pga media coverage omits all references to money except sums raised for charity. this is either overt or covert, and deprives us of a full understanding of the tournaments. I hope MGS agrees with this and can start the ball rolling for change. The tour is NOT simply a bunch of skilled players roaming the country to raise money for charity. this is a multi-million dollar business, and we should be kept apprised of that. Example: in the Sentry playoff a couple of weeks ago, Joaquin Niemann had a birdie putt he missed that cost him $500,000. No comment from the commentators. How much more interesting telecasts would be if the broadcasters would point out that bundles of cash were being won/lost as the tournament progressed. What we have now is censorship. [email protected] Censorship? LOL I was always taught that you dont discuss someone else's money and that a gentleman doesnt ask how much others make and doesnt tell people how much he makes. Its none of my business how much these guys or anyone else makes and for a commentator to say, "that missed putt just cost him $500K" would just be classless, IMO. I know that some of these guys make more in a day that I will in my entire lifetime. Im OK not being reminded of that. cnosil, GaDawg, silver & black and 5 others 8 Quote "I suppose its better to be a master of 7 than to be vaguely familiar with 14." - Chick Evans Whats in my Sun Mountain 2.5+ stand bag? Woods: Tommy Armour Atomic 10.5* Hybrid: Mizuno MP Fli-Hi 3H Irons: Mizuno T-Zoid True 5, 7 and 9-irons Wedge: Mizuno S18 54* and Top Flite chipper Putter: Mizuno Bettinardi A-02 Ball: Maxfli Tour X Link to comment
GolfSpy AFG Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 I think the only argument you can really make about a lack of transparency concerning the tour is their continued unwillingness to announce the reasons behind player suspensions...DJ in 2012 (?) for example. But that's on the tour, not the media, and I don't think you can reasonably argue that media coverage of golf is any more/less transparent than any other sport. I guarantee Tom Brady's contract, Gronk's, etc., have playoff and Super Bowl incentives that they triggered last night. I also never heard a word of it from Jim Nantz...if I care that I much I can get on my Google machine and try to sort it out, but it certainly doesn't interest the casual fan and doesn't impact the entertainment of the broadcast. I'm a public servant and paid by the taxpayer, and for that reason anybody can get on the web and (knowing my rank and zip code) figure out what I make, to the dime. And that's fair and entirely appropriate. But outside of taxpayer funded salaries, I tend to agree that what someone else makes is probably somewhere between none of my business and not relevant to the entertainment value. silver & black, russtopherb, tony@CIC and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: TSR2, Ventus Blue 6 S, 65g Stiff FW: TSR2 3w, 15, Ventus Blue 7 S, 70g Stiff Hybrids: Apex Pro 3H, Ventus Blue 8 S, 80g Stiff Stealth DHY 4H, Ventus Blue 8 S, 80g Stiff Irons: SMS 5-6, SMS Pro 7-PW, Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff Wedges: SM9 48 F Grind, 52 F Grind, 56 M Grind, Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff Putter: Sri-Hot 5K Triple Wide, Stroke Lab shaft Ball: Pro V1 Click here for my HONMA TR20 Official Review! Click here for my Arccos Caddie Bundle Official Review! Click here for my Edel SMS & SMS Pro Irons Official Review! Link to comment
00sportsman Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Just read this entire thread... interesting in an odd way. Nothing to add but can you imagine stepping up to a putt and knowing the difference between a miss and a make is a 6 or 7 figure check .I wonder how much that even crosses their minds. I was thinking they’re all probably so competitive it’s more about winning, or beating the competition. I’m sure they care about the money, but I just wonder if it’s the bragging rights in their minds standing over those putts.I used to play with a friend in Maine who always wanted to play for dimes. We talked several times about whether it’s 10 cents or 10 bucks, it’s making the other guy reach into his pocket that matters. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk fixyurdivot and tony@CIC 2 Quote I always try to remember that I'm not good enough to get mad! My Bag: G400 Max G30 3W King S9-1 5W Aeroburner 3 Rescue/Hybrid G400 5-UW RTX4 52* and 56* 2Bar Mallet Traverse II Cart Bag Link to comment
Shapotomous Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 The only $ I would care about when they are making or missing putts is what it might cost me in fantasy golf $ or a bet ! But since I don't do either I don't care. (and Rory's ball was stepped on by one of the volunteers looking for it that's how it got embedded ) tony@CIC 1 Quote Modern Bag: G410 LST 10.5*, Hzrdus Smoke RDX 6.5 Flex; 915F 3w, Diamana S+ 70 S flex; Snake Eyes 18* 2h, 23* 4h & 27* 5h; JPX 900 Forged 6 - PW, PX LZ 6.0; Edison 2.0 49*, 53*, 57* KBS Tour 120 S; Heppler Fetch; Ball - MTB-X; Bag - Jones MyGolfSpy Edition! Shot Scope H4, MG600 Rangefinder Classic Bag: Driver - Persimmon; 3w - Speed Slot; 5w - Tour Block; 3 - pw - Dynapower; sw - Ram Tom Watson; putter - bullseye standard or flange. Link to comment
jb0330 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 4 hours ago, Getoffmylawn said: I think the only argument you can really make about a lack of transparency concerning the tour is their continued unwillingness to announce the reasons behind player suspensions...DJ in 2012 (?) for example. But that's on the tour, not the media, and I don't think you can reasonably argue that media coverage of golf is any more/less transparent than any other sport. I guarantee Tom Brady's contract, Gronk's, etc., have playoff and Super Bowl incentives that they triggered last night. I also never heard a word of it from Jim Nantz...if I care that I much I can get on my Google machine and try to sort it out, but it certainly doesn't interest the casual fan and doesn't impact the entertainment of the broadcast. I'm a public servant and paid by the taxpayer, and for that reason anybody can get on the web and (knowing my rank and zip code) figure out what I make, to the dime. And that's fair and entirely appropriate. But outside of taxpayer funded salaries, I tend to agree that what someone else makes is probably somewhere between none of my business and not relevant to the entertainment value. This is where I was going to go but with baseball. They talk about the contracts they sign but that is about it. You don't hear anyone saying oh "insert pitcher here" just got rocked and pulled by the 1 2/3 inning that is going to effect his paycheck. Or as @Getoffmylawn mentioned we all know that baseball players get bonus and contractual money for playoff and world series/super bowl wins but we don't know how much. IMO like @BadgerGolfer said I don't think its any of my business. I am just here to watch people plays sports in a way I only dream about doing it. tony@CIC 1 Quote 2020 TESTER Ben Hogan UiHi 18* Utility Iron Driver: - Anser - 8.5* - Fujikara Red Blur 005 XStiff - Standard L/L 3W: - SQ Sumo - Mitsubishi Rayon Diamana Stiff - Standard L/L Hybrid 3: - Machspeed - UST Mamiya AXIVCore XStiff -Standard L/L Irons: - Idea Black CB3 4-GW - KBS Tour Stiff+ - Standard L/L Wedges: - Vokey 52*, 54*, 60* - True Temper Wedge - Standard L/L Putter: - Versa Blade - 35in Ball: NXT Tour Bag: - Ultra Light Cart Bag Loc: USA/MD Handicap: 13 Link to comment
fixyurdivot Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 7 hours ago, 00sportsman said: I wonder how much that even crosses their minds. I was thinking they’re all probably so competitive it’s more about winning, or beating the competition. I’m sure they care about the money, but I just wonder if it’s the bragging rights in their minds standing over those putts. I used to play with a friend in Maine who always wanted to play for dimes. We talked several times about whether it’s 10 cents or 10 bucks, it’s making the other guy reach into his pocket that matters. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Well, for those who cash in on a regular basis, and have already made millions, they probably don't think about it too much. But for those only occasionally break into the top 25, I do think it crosses their minds. And yes, I agree on the last point. Our Yuma gang plays "wolf" for dimes and it is all about not having to dig into your cache to pay others post round . tony@CIC, 00sportsman and Shapotomous 3 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Official Review) Link to comment
Lester Shapiro Posted February 11, 2021 Author Share Posted February 11, 2021 you're all making my case for me, ie: do a little research, it's online etc., but that just confirms my gripe: non of it is on cbs or nbc. and how about that last tournament in saudi arabia? a $3.3 million purse, and not a word about how it was distributed. so, i don't want to search, simply or otherwise. I want to be told in real time to the fullest extent possible, and so should you. Quote Link to comment
RickyBobby_PR Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, Lester Shapiro said: you're all making my case for me, ie: do a little research, it's online etc., but that just confirms my gripe: non of it is on cbs or nbc. and how about that last tournament in saudi arabia? a $3.3 million purse, and not a word about how it was distributed. so, i don't want to search, simply or otherwise. I want to be told in real time to the fullest extent possible, and so should you. You are the only one who cares what the pros make or lose during a tournament. It’s irrelevant to the large golfing viewership. here’s the purse for every tour event this season. https://www.pgatour.com/tournaments/schedule.html And here’s another reference you can use to track how much each place earns. https://thegolfnewsnet.com/golfnewsnetteam/2019/09/12/pga-tour-purse-payout-percentages-distribution-102486/ Now you know how much a shot of putt coming down the stretch on Sunday will impact a person payday. Tom D., tony@CIC, GolfSpy AFG and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment
Chip Strokes Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 23 minutes ago, Lester Shapiro said: you're all making my case for me, ie: do a little research, it's online etc., but that just confirms my gripe: non of it is on cbs or nbc. and how about that last tournament in saudi arabia? a $3.3 million purse, and not a word about how it was distributed. so, i don't want to search, simply or otherwise. I want to be told in real time to the fullest extent possible, and so should you. do you also want to know how much Mike Trout makes per at bat? or how much Gerrit Cole makes per inning? how about how much that missed free throw cost Lebron James? i honestly can’t think of a more off-putting feature to add to a broadcast ”hey casual fans, here are these gentlemen making the game that gives you fits look insultingly easy. and with that birdie, justin thomas locks up 4th place and more money than you’ll earn in the next 8 years. stay tuned for the evening news” russtopherb, BKordon, tony@CIC and 6 others 4 1 4 Quote SIM2 8º | KuroKage XD 70TX SIM 3W 14º | Fujikura Atmos Black Tour Spec 9TX SIM2 5W 18º | Fujikura Ventus Black 10X U500 2i | Fujikura Ventus HB Black 10TX T100 4-PW | Dynamic Gold X7 SM6 52* SM8 56* SM8 60* | Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 DW | BGT Stability Tour Link to comment
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