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I'm anxious to hear what Nic and WD are up to.

 

I'm also encouraging everyone to work on their short irons the work has left me brimming with confidence with the irons in my hand.

 

Lots and lots of balls being hit on the range and lots of holes being played on the Par 3...  It is quite amazing what happens to the golf swing with a little concentrated effort.

 

I will try to get a coherent post up at some point during the day today..


What I lug around the golf course in my MacKenzie Walker.

Driver -   Ping G410 Plus 9° Tour 65 S
Fairway -  :srixon-small: Z785 13.5° Tensei CK Pro Orange 70 S

2 Iron - :srixon-small: ZU65 18° AeroTech SteelFiber 110icw S

Irons -  :srixon-small: Z785  TTDG IT S400 3,5-Pw 1° flat
Wedges - :cleveland-small: RTX4 Raw 50° 54° 58°  TTGDTI S400 1° flat

Putters -   Odyssey Toulon Stroke Lab Austin/Nike  Method Converge B1-01 UST Frequency Filter/Odyssey 2 Ball DFX/ TaylorMade Spider
Tour Black / Ping Anser F/ Scotty Cameron TeI3 Sole Stamp Newport 2. All with different grips, weights, and lengths.
 

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Lots and lots of balls being hit on the range and lots of holes being played on the Par 3...  It is quite amazing what happens to the golf swing with a little concentrated effort.

 

I will try to get a coherent post up at some point during the day today..

We may find a new practice regime.


Ping G410 - set at 12 degrees, fade setting - Alpha Distanza 40 weak R flex shaft

Tour Exotics EX 10 3 wood

Ping G410 5-9 wood

G30 6-PW -  Aerotech FT 500 shafts

SCOR 48,52,58

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

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I have been to the grass range three times, to the par 3 twice, as well as to the regulation length course once over the past 10 days. This is a ton of golf for me, and it is starting to show.

 

My results from the grass range are as follows.

My club has a marker on a very shallow green that I was able to position myself 125 yards away from. (Verified by Bushnell) The Green that the marker is on is only 7 yards deep, and VERY firm. We do not water the driving range at our club, only the tee.  Any shot that hits and stays on that green will hit and stick on any 125 yd shot. W

I typically hit my Adams CB1 PW 125, so that is why I chose this spot on the range. After a 10-15 min warmup period, I proceeded to hit approximately 300 shots at that green with both the Adams CB1 Pro Black PW and the SCOR 46° wedge. Alternating every 5 shots, and treating each shot like it was in a round (proper pre-shot). Results are that with the Adams, I hit and held the green 25% of the time. (about 1 in 4) Most shots were short, or missed left. With the SCOR 46° I was able to hit and hold the green 60% (a little better than 1 in 2) Most shots were on line, and landed on the green, but bounced over. (keep in mind that this green is 7 yards deep, and 9 yards wide.) Needless to say, the 46° is now in the bag. 

 

On the course, the SCOR wedges performed just like they did on the range. Straight, consistent flight. A little lower than I am used to, and a little less spin, but I will get used to it.  The turf interaction is quite exceptional. The wedge just cuts through with very little drag. 

 

So far, so good.


What I lug around the golf course in my MacKenzie Walker.

Driver -   Ping G410 Plus 9° Tour 65 S
Fairway -  :srixon-small: Z785 13.5° Tensei CK Pro Orange 70 S

2 Iron - :srixon-small: ZU65 18° AeroTech SteelFiber 110icw S

Irons -  :srixon-small: Z785  TTDG IT S400 3,5-Pw 1° flat
Wedges - :cleveland-small: RTX4 Raw 50° 54° 58°  TTGDTI S400 1° flat

Putters -   Odyssey Toulon Stroke Lab Austin/Nike  Method Converge B1-01 UST Frequency Filter/Odyssey 2 Ball DFX/ TaylorMade Spider
Tour Black / Ping Anser F/ Scotty Cameron TeI3 Sole Stamp Newport 2. All with different grips, weights, and lengths.
 

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Wow, you were able to hit the green and hold it 60% of the time over 25% with a shot that was lower and with less spin. Please don't take this as me doubting you (sometimes the written word can come across wrong). I'm wondering how you were able to be this much better with what I would assume would result in less green holdiness (low with less spin)

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How are you seeing them perform out of wet/sloppy lies?  They seem like they would be chunk city.

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Wow, you were able to hit the green and hold it 60% of the time over 25% with a shot that was lower and with less spin. Please don't take this as me doubting you (sometimes the written word can come across wrong). I'm wondering how you were able to be this much better with what I would assume would result in less green holdiness (low with less spin)

 

With my current wedge, misses were either short or left, while solid shots held. With SCOR, there were more solid online shots that held...  As far as the spin goes, that is all anecdotal, based on my on course experience.

 

How are you seeing them perform out of wet/sloppy lies?  They seem like they would be chunk city.

 

We have not had any wet weather around here for weeks.  I will post back in late November with results..  (thanks ALOT for reminding me...  BOOOOO.....)


What I lug around the golf course in my MacKenzie Walker.

Driver -   Ping G410 Plus 9° Tour 65 S
Fairway -  :srixon-small: Z785 13.5° Tensei CK Pro Orange 70 S

2 Iron - :srixon-small: ZU65 18° AeroTech SteelFiber 110icw S

Irons -  :srixon-small: Z785  TTDG IT S400 3,5-Pw 1° flat
Wedges - :cleveland-small: RTX4 Raw 50° 54° 58°  TTGDTI S400 1° flat

Putters -   Odyssey Toulon Stroke Lab Austin/Nike  Method Converge B1-01 UST Frequency Filter/Odyssey 2 Ball DFX/ TaylorMade Spider
Tour Black / Ping Anser F/ Scotty Cameron TeI3 Sole Stamp Newport 2. All with different grips, weights, and lengths.
 

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How are you seeing them perform out of wet/sloppy lies?  They seem like they would be chunk city.

 

 

When I first got my SCORs two years ago I had some small issue with this - never on full shots though.  There is something magical about that sole though, you get used to it very quickly and as mmmmbuddy wrote the turf interactions is great. 

 

I bascially play in the wet half the year and I find that the SCORs compress the ball way better off that wet truf than my GI irons with the wider sole.

 

Back to Jondagcl - don't confuse lower and less spin for low and no spin - think right trajectory, right amount of spin to be very stable and to stop when they land because that's what he means.  There is no issue getting these clubs to stop and when I'm hitting chip shots I have no trouble producing the amount of spin that I need to control the distance nicely, really nicely.

 

I'm anxious to get on a launch monitor so that I can give you some numbers and then it may make some more sense to you.


Ping G410 - set at 12 degrees, fade setting - Alpha Distanza 40 weak R flex shaft

Tour Exotics EX 10 3 wood

Ping G410 5-9 wood

G30 6-PW -  Aerotech FT 500 shafts

SCOR 48,52,58

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

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Interesting thoughts, I could see myself loving it for firm/flop shots, but just wondered about the wet stuff.  Thanks for answering!

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With my current wedge, misses were either short or left, while solid shots held. With SCOR, there were more solid online shots that held...  As far as the spin goes, that is all anecdotal, based on my on course experience.

 

 

We have not had any wet weather around here for weeks.  I will post back in late November with results..  (thanks ALOT for reminding me...  BOOOOO.....)

 

It appears to me that your two wedges have different carry distances, that the Adams is flying about 120 and the Score about 125.    Remind us again if they are the same lofts, lengths and shafts, or if you think small differences in these specs might account for the different carries?

 

Consensus seems to be that the Scor's go lower and spin a tad less.   I'm not worried about the lower spin, since my wedges aren't high spin anyway and I think that a shaft switch can adjust ball height.   But it makes me wonder about their carry distances and gapping holes I may create by switching.   I play Speedblades and I did away with my set wedges, replacing them with ATV's that I bent to match the SB lofts in 50, 55 and 60.  Gaps were covered fine.  

 

Regardless, I still like Scor's shpiel and I like all-terrain soles so I went on line and did their fitting matrix and they suggested that I cover my PW - 60 spread with a 44, 48, 52, 56, and 60.   Sadly, the distance of their 44 still projected to go shorter than my current PW.   Sorry, Scor, but I just don't have room for 5 wedges in my bag, especially 5 wedges that leave me a hole to my 9 iron.

 

So now I don't know what to expect.   Anyway I bought a Scor 45 and will reshaft it with the same shaft as my SB PW (high launching TT Dynalite 85) in the same length and we'll see what happens.   If I like what I see, I'll think about a 41 bent to 40 for the 9 and a 50 for the GW.


bag - SunMountain Synch with Ogio Synergy X4 cart
driver - :callaway-small: Optiforce 440, Paderson Kevlar Green stiff 46.5"
fwoods - :taylormade-small: Jetspeed, 3HL regular
irons - :taylormade-small:  Speedblades 3-8, 85g stiff steel, 2 up
wedges - :edilon-small: Scor 40, 45, 50, 54, 58
putter - :ping-small: Ketsch 35" slight arc, SuperStroke 2.0 mid-slim
ball - :titelist-small: ProV1x

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It appears to me that your two wedges have different carry distances, that the Adams is flying about 120 and the Score about 125.    Remind us again if they are the same lofts, lengths and shafts, or if you think small differences in these specs might account for the different carries?

 

Consensus seems to be that the Scor's go lower and spin a tad less.   I'm not worried about the lower spin, since my wedges aren't high spin anyway and I think that a shaft switch can adjust ball height.   But it makes me wonder about their carry distances and gapping holes I may create by switching.   I play Speedblades and I did away with my set wedges, replacing them with ATV's that I bent to match the SB lofts in 50, 55 and 60.  Gaps were covered fine.  

 

Regardless, I still like Scor's shpiel and I like all-terrain soles so I went on line and did their fitting matrix and they suggested that I cover my PW - 60 spread with a 44, 48, 52, 56, and 60.   Sadly, the distance of their 44 still projected to go shorter than my current PW.   Sorry, Scor, but I just don't have room for 5 wedges in my bag, especially 5 wedges that leave me a hole to my 9 iron.

 

So now I don't know what to expect.   Anyway I bought a Scor 45 and will reshaft it with the same shaft as my SB PW (high launching TT Dynalite 85) in the same length and we'll see what happens.   If I like what I see, I'll think about a 41 bent to 40 for the 9 and a 50 for the GW.

I can say with absolute certainty, that I carry my Adams CB1 PW 125-135 depending on the conditions. This time of year, in this weather, I would expect to hit that club 125 comfortably all day....  (on the course, not the range)

 

 

Specs are identical on both the 46° and 50° SCOR and my gamers. I have verified this twice on a Mitchell bending unit, and a SCUBA Unit. The only difference would be the shafts and Swingweights. My Pw has a Flighted PJX 6.0, and the Gw has a TTDG S300. The Swingweights on the SCOR clubs are 2 points heavier than my clubs...


What I lug around the golf course in my MacKenzie Walker.

Driver -   Ping G410 Plus 9° Tour 65 S
Fairway -  :srixon-small: Z785 13.5° Tensei CK Pro Orange 70 S

2 Iron - :srixon-small: ZU65 18° AeroTech SteelFiber 110icw S

Irons -  :srixon-small: Z785  TTDG IT S400 3,5-Pw 1° flat
Wedges - :cleveland-small: RTX4 Raw 50° 54° 58°  TTGDTI S400 1° flat

Putters -   Odyssey Toulon Stroke Lab Austin/Nike  Method Converge B1-01 UST Frequency Filter/Odyssey 2 Ball DFX/ TaylorMade Spider
Tour Black / Ping Anser F/ Scotty Cameron TeI3 Sole Stamp Newport 2. All with different grips, weights, and lengths.
 

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I can say with absolute certainty, that I carry my Adams CB1 PW 125-135 depending on the conditions. This time of year, in this weather, I would expect to hit that club 125 comfortably all day....  (on the course, not the range)

 

 

Specs are identical on both the 46° and 50° SCOR and my gamers. I have verified this twice on a Mitchell bending unit, and a SCUBA Unit. The only difference would be the shafts and Swingweights. My Pw has a Flighted PJX 6.0, and the Gw has a TTDG S300. The Swingweights on the SCOR clubs are 2 points heavier than my clubs...

 

Aaaah, I think I get what you're saying.   You're saying that your MISSES with the Adams were short and left, not the good natural shots.   The good strikes were 125.   But with the Adams, being cavities and more erratic (or should I saw "with a higher standard deviation") there were more misses than the scor and those misses were usually short and left.   The good shots with both went about the same.   Did I get it right?

 

Now since we all tend to favor the consistent miss side, does this mean that you tend to favor the left miss, shifting your aim point a tad more right with the Adams?   Do you favor anything with the Scor?    The flighted PX is a low flight shaft to start.   Is the Scor 46 closer in ball height to the Adams PW, or is it lower still?


bag - SunMountain Synch with Ogio Synergy X4 cart
driver - :callaway-small: Optiforce 440, Paderson Kevlar Green stiff 46.5"
fwoods - :taylormade-small: Jetspeed, 3HL regular
irons - :taylormade-small:  Speedblades 3-8, 85g stiff steel, 2 up
wedges - :edilon-small: Scor 40, 45, 50, 54, 58
putter - :ping-small: Ketsch 35" slight arc, SuperStroke 2.0 mid-slim
ball - :titelist-small: ProV1x

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Aaaah, I think I get what you're saying.   You're saying that your MISSES with the Adams were short and left, not the good natural shots.   The good strikes were 125.   But with the Adams, being cavities and more erratic (or should I saw "with a higher standard deviation") there were more misses than the scor and those misses were usually short and left.   The good shots with both went about the same.   Did I get it right?

 

Now since we all tend to favor the consistent miss side, does this mean that you tend to favor the left miss, shifting your aim point a tad more right with the Adams?   Do you favor anything with the Scor?    The flighted PX is a low flight shaft to start.   Is the Scor 46 closer in ball height to the Adams PW, or is it lower still?

 

Correct. Misses were generally either short and on target,or left of target.

 

I was on a range, so aimpoint was the same for all shots. On the course, as a rule, alignment is a BIG issue for me. When I aim it correctly, I usually play pretty good.

 

Visually speaking, the SCOR 46° looks to fly a tad lower than my Adams CB1 Pw. There is not a noticeable "Peak" in the flight. It reaches the apex of the flight, and then just sort of noses over..  I will get on the LM next week for some hard data collection to put this into perspective. I do not find the ball flight "too low" at all. In fact, I really prefer the penetrating flight that I get with the SCOR over the higher, floaty flight I typically experience with my wedges. I find it to be more controllable. (To my limited abilities..)


What I lug around the golf course in my MacKenzie Walker.

Driver -   Ping G410 Plus 9° Tour 65 S
Fairway -  :srixon-small: Z785 13.5° Tensei CK Pro Orange 70 S

2 Iron - :srixon-small: ZU65 18° AeroTech SteelFiber 110icw S

Irons -  :srixon-small: Z785  TTDG IT S400 3,5-Pw 1° flat
Wedges - :cleveland-small: RTX4 Raw 50° 54° 58°  TTGDTI S400 1° flat

Putters -   Odyssey Toulon Stroke Lab Austin/Nike  Method Converge B1-01 UST Frequency Filter/Odyssey 2 Ball DFX/ TaylorMade Spider
Tour Black / Ping Anser F/ Scotty Cameron TeI3 Sole Stamp Newport 2. All with different grips, weights, and lengths.
 

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How are you seeing them perform out of wet/sloppy lies?  They seem like they would be chunk city.

 

I went through this the first time I tested the short irons. A fat shot is really really ugly. Then I tried with my Rocketbladez and a fat shot was still really really ugly.

 

I came out of that particular experiment deciding that the width of the sole doesn't help much when it comes to soggy ground. It probably helps sweeper types on firmer ground, but so far for me the difference in sole width has been unnoticeable in terms for forgiveness against fat shots.

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Interesting thoughts, I could see myself loving it for firm/flop shots, but just wondered about the wet stuff.  Thanks for answering!

 

I think that's a huge perceived benefit, but I need to test doing flop shots with my current GI set before I really go into it.

 

That said, I'm already used to flop shots with my wedges and the same swing with the Scor short irons produces a nice flop as well. I suck at making the same club go different distances, so having multiple clubs to work with is very nice.

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I'm back from vacation! Don't have any results since the initial post, but I'll have some range time tomorrow and plenty of time next week to gather more results. Keep the questions coming!

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Everyone here should know that SCOR had our current gamer club specs and they tried to replicate what we are currently playing.  Like MmmmmmBuddy my wedges are two swing weight points less than the SCORs.  I have graphite in all of my clubs except my 60.  I've checked the lies/loft of the SCORs and the lofts are spot on the same as my gamers, the lies are 1/2 degree flater in the SCORs.

 

MmmmmBuddy is about a club longer than I am but it sounds as if we are getting very similar results with the Pitching Wedge.  I have only tested with the ball that I game on a golf course.  I've hit the clubs on the range to warm up but not at all to test - I don't like testing with range balls.

 

I'm getting out of work now and if it doesn't range I'm going to hit the Par 3 course, if it doesn't the next testing opportunity will be Monday.  My daughter's birthday is this weekend.


Ping G410 - set at 12 degrees, fade setting - Alpha Distanza 40 weak R flex shaft

Tour Exotics EX 10 3 wood

Ping G410 5-9 wood

G30 6-PW -  Aerotech FT 500 shafts

SCOR 48,52,58

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

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With my current wedge, misses were either short or left, while solid shots held. With SCOR, there were more solid online shots that held...  As far as the spin goes, that is all anecdotal, based on my on course experience.

 

 

 

We have not had any wet weather around here for weeks.  I will post back in late November with results..  (thanks ALOT for reminding me...  BOOOOO.....)

Thanks for the follow up. Makes sense.

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This thread has just made me curious enough to visit there website and try out there fitting thing. I don't know if I will have the room or will want to play 4 wedges but its certainly going to be something I will talk about with my teaching pro when it comes time to get my new clubs


Driver: Titleist 907 D2 7.5* Aldila VS Proto Shaft 65 X

 

Fairway Woods: Titleist 980F 19* Pro Trajectory stock Titleist 4375 R shaft (desperately need to replace)

 

Irons: Taylormade LT2's 3-PW S300 dynamic golds

 

Sand Wedge: Vokey 56* 256 10 Oil can 8620 finish True temper shaft

 

Lob Wedge: Shark 64* wedge True temper shaft

 

Putter: Scotty Cameron Studio Style Newport 2 blade, 303 GSS Insert, 35'' 330g 4*L 71*L

 

Ball: Pro VI

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This thread has just made me curious enough to visit there website and try out there fitting thing. I don't know if I will have the room or will want to play 4 wedges but its certainly going to be something I will talk about with my teaching pro when it comes time to get my new clubs

I'm not saying you would do it but depending on the loft of you short irons some of their suggestions would be replacing your 9 or even 8. Our original charter was GW and 9 iron until SCOR realized how jacked our lofts were.


Ping G410 - set at 12 degrees, fade setting - Alpha Distanza 40 weak R flex shaft

Tour Exotics EX 10 3 wood

Ping G410 5-9 wood

G30 6-PW -  Aerotech FT 500 shafts

SCOR 48,52,58

EVNRoll ER 5

Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them

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I'm not saying you would do it but depending on the loft of you short irons some of their suggestions would be replacing your 9 or even 8. Our original charter was GW and 9 iron until SCOR realized how jacked our lofts were.

 

Yea I can see myself possibly pulling the pitching wedge in favour of one of the scores as well as my 56* sand wedge but their highest loft is only 61* which makes it hard to find a replacement for my 64* lob wedge


Driver: Titleist 907 D2 7.5* Aldila VS Proto Shaft 65 X

 

Fairway Woods: Titleist 980F 19* Pro Trajectory stock Titleist 4375 R shaft (desperately need to replace)

 

Irons: Taylormade LT2's 3-PW S300 dynamic golds

 

Sand Wedge: Vokey 56* 256 10 Oil can 8620 finish True temper shaft

 

Lob Wedge: Shark 64* wedge True temper shaft

 

Putter: Scotty Cameron Studio Style Newport 2 blade, 303 GSS Insert, 35'' 330g 4*L 71*L

 

Ball: Pro VI

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