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Looks like with the new groove rules, the old Ping Eye2 has new-found popularity.

 

This got me thinking about whether any of you actually miss the days when BeCu irons/wedges were being made, or if current technology has really made up for the soft feel of copper?

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Looks like with the new groove rules, the old Ping Eye2 has new-found popularity.

 

This got me thinking about whether any of you actually miss the days when BeCu irons/wedges were being made, or if current technology has really made up for the soft feel of copper?

Well. Funny you should ask. A buddy of mine just picked up a set of those BeCu PING iron and whoa... They are soft. "U"gly as all can be. But seriously great feel and really forgiving. It'd be nice to see more new sets in BeCu. Just imagine a BeCu set of i15's. I'd buy a set.

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Wasn't BeCu irons halted because of health concerns?

I am not entirely sure but I think I read that somewhere.

 

 

I don't think it was related to any health concerns, rather it was deem a hazadrdous material by the EPA. Having a set of clubs made of BeCu did'nt harm anyone through contact.

 

As for the softness issue, it's a myth. Acoording to the Solheims, the hardness factor of both BeCu and Stainless Steel used to make Ping Eye 2 clubs, are exactly the same. The difference is the sound the clubs maked when impact occurs. John Solheim says it is a more muted sound, which through testing, golfers equate as being softer translated through feel.

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I don't think it was related to any health concerns, rather it was deem a hazadrdous material by the EPA. Having a set of clubs made of BeCu did'nt harm anyone through contact.

 

As for the softness issue, it's a myth. Acoording to the Solheims, the hardness factor of both BeCu and Stainless Steel used to make Ping Eye 2 clubs, are exactly the same. The difference is the sound the clubs maked when impact occurs. John Solheim says it is a more muted sound, which through testing, golfers equate as being softer translated through feel.

 

Yes, we translate "feel" through sound. I don't think anyone can really discern the hardness of two different types of metal, considering that you're making contact with clubhead via the grip, shaft and possible insert through the shaft. It's the sound that makes us go either... "Whoa... or YUCK".

Current bag: Some Callaway, some Cleveland. Down to 2 OEM's!

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Yes, we translate "feel" through sound.

 

That is so true. I used to work golf retail and when a customer would tell me "This club feels hard!", I would give them ear ear plugs. And after a couple of hits, the "feels hard" arguement was resolved.

 

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I prefer carbon steel if nothing else because Ping won't adjust the BeCU wedges and I always need upright lie angles. Finding the right "dot" can sometimes be a challenge.

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Copper in a putter is amazing, but I also think that this is a feel/tone signature. Definitely EPA issue with the manufacturing. At work we have to bottle all of our copper containing reagents and hazmat them. No matter the concentration.

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Played Copper Eye 2's for a little while and Copper Cleveland 588's for a LONG time. Love the feel/ sound of them. They had great spin as well. Biggest problem I had is that they tended to be heavier in the wedges... That said I thought my Eye 2's felt lighter in copper then Stainless. Maybe it was the Microstep shaft they put in those. I always thought that was interesting that they put a different shaft in the copper Ping's vs the Stainless. Anyone have the story on that?

 

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I still have a BeCu 588 Cleveland wedge that I use. But I prefer carbon steel.

 

 

 

 

 

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I don't think it was related to any health concerns, rather it was deem a hazadrdous material by the EPA. Having a set of clubs made of BeCu did'nt harm anyone through contact.

 

As for the softness issue, it's a myth. Acoording to the Solheims, the hardness factor of both BeCu and Stainless Steel used to make Ping Eye 2 clubs, are exactly the same. The difference is the sound the clubs maked when impact occurs. John Solheim says it is a more muted sound, which through testing, golfers equate as being softer translated through feel.

 

BeCu was not hazardous to the golfers who used them but was hazardous to the workers who ground them. I still have my old Eye 2's of lawsuit fame but have since bagged newer clubs. The old eye 2's still feel as smooth as ever, they just seem so old these days, though I probably look older.

 

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I like a forged carbon steel wedge.

 

I did pick up one of those Ping BeCu LW a few yrs ago....got it for $40. I just got it because I knew they had quit making them....never even put it in play.

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I don't think it was related to any health concerns, rather it was deem a hazadrdous material by the EPA. Having a set of clubs made of BeCu did'nt harm anyone through contact.

 

As for the softness issue, it's a myth. Acoording to the Solheims, the hardness factor of both BeCu and Stainless Steel used to make Ping Eye 2 clubs, are exactly the same. The difference is the sound the clubs maked when impact occurs. John Solheim says it is a more muted sound, which through testing, golfers equate as being softer translated through feel.

My understanding was that Karsten used BeCu because it was heavier, and he could achieve the correct swingweights with the shafts that he was using at the time...

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My understanding was that Karsten used BeCu because it was heavier, and he could achieve the correct swingweights with the shafts that he was using at the time...

Probably for looks too though. They are stunning.

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I like how my old Cleveland Wedge 588 works

But right now, I loved my New Carbon Steel wedges

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