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So is the manual useless? Is there anything good in it?

 

personally - i didnt find anything that amounted to much - 5% good is overwhelmed by the 95% bad.

 

if though you'd like to ask specific questions as to topic - i still remember alot from that book and will gladly point out rights and wrongs out of it and help you through it . sort of a stroll down memory lane for me smile.gif

 

i did like the pictures of hogan/nicklaus in there. prior to youtube, where else could you see stop frames of these swings and compare them.

 

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Thanks guys. I too noticed a lot of the diagrams and spent some time looking at the swings through the ages.

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LOL at the laws principles and preferences - if i remember correctly it was 5 laws 13 principles and 22 preferences ? a bastardization if i ever saw of the golf machine which if you can get through all the unimportant significances homer throws in there.

 

speaking of TGM i have benefited alot from that little yellow book, much more so than the pga manual, but like bruce lee said - take what is useful and discard the rest - which is exactly what i did.

 

my biggest frustration with tgm is all that added extra bits. he never goes to tell you "this is whats best" rather "here is everything you could do- now figure it out". just because you can shift planes many different ways doesnt mean squat if your trying to hit the ball in the air. yes its data but random pieces of data with no CLEAR step by step building process makes books of that nature nice but not necessary, and ultimately lead to MORE confusion... just what we need in the golf industry right? lolcool.gif

 

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I was just wondering what books have you guys read, if any, to help you with your game. I am self taught(my scores reflect that) and have played for over 20 years. When I do get some extra cash I will get some professional help. :blink: . The books I have read are: Peltz's Putting Bible and Short Game Bible and Leadbetter's Faults and Fixes. I just recently picked up Haney's Fix the Yips Forever. I am always looking for extra help and love to read.

 

 

Frankly, after watching Hank Haney screw up Tiger Woods and his disasterous "project" with Ray Romano, I would not read a word he scribbled. Leadbetter has some good short game stuff, but his swing theories are very questionable. Manavs and Jamo have very accurately dissected the bilge that is found in the PGA Manual. In this day and age, I think the best move for most golfers is a good DVD. It is one thing to visualize what you think the author wants you to do, it is even better to see and listen. If you then get a good quality camera that takes hi fps video, you can then compare your swing to the DVD. I encourage you to review the TGM stuff, but I found a blog by a guy named Richie3Jack far more useful than the book. If you really want top quality instruction, I would refer you to either Brian Manzella's website, or if you are in the Northeast, try John Graham or Mike Jacobs. Manzella and Jacobs both have some great videos (I have purchased from both and seen Jacobs in person).

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If you really want top quality instruction, I would refer you to either Brian Manzella's website, or if you are in the Northeast, try John Graham or Mike Jacobs. Manzella and Jacobs both have some great videos (I have purchased from both and seen Jacobs in person).

 

I just looked up that Mike Jacobs, and now I'm really frustrated because he lives about 20 minutes away from where I used to live on Long Island. Too Bad. :blink:

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I have been reading the 'Impact Zone' by Bobby Clampett.There is some good stuff in it.I also read Stack and Tilt ,there is some good stuff in there as well.You have started in the right place by asking the forum.

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I read Dave Pelz putting bible.

 

The key takeaway for me is to try and master long putts to avoid 3 putting. There was also a little about chip-putting, which helped me a lot on long uphill putts.

 

I'm not a fan of straight back and through putting stroke which Dave Pelz advocates. I'm also not so convinced using his method of reading breaks result in more putts made. For me I have better luck just feeling and visualizing the path and speed which the ball should take when tackling breaking putts. I realize my misses would be much less severe, and I make more than my fair share of downhill breaking putts this way.

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I was just wondering what books have you guys read, if any, to help you with your game. I am self taught(my scores reflect that) and have played for over 20 years. When I do get some extra cash I will get some professional help. ;) . The books I have read are: Peltz's Putting Bible and Short Game Bible and Leadbetter's Faults and Fixes. I just recently picked up Haney's Fix the Yips Forever. I am always looking for extra help and love to read.

I can appreciate you wanting to read and learn. But I will warn you dont read too much it will confuse you. Opinions on the golf swing and method vary and like people they all have you know whats and all of them are different. I have a good friend of mine who reads golf instruction books a lot, watches the Golf Channel and has taken lessons from God only knows how many instructors. He stays confused. I am supposed to play with him Sun after church it will be interesting to see what gimmick he hooked on to this time. As far as instructional things I do refer to Mr Penicks "little red book" and I do review SECTIONS of A.J. Bonnars videos on "The Truth" about golf

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This was course material i had to study while at Methodist. By far, the most illogical, broad, random, confusion leading tome i have ever opened and layed eyes upon. I argued with my professors daily over the incomplete garbage that was in that book.

 

i guess it was a starting point for the pga, but to me far out dated, and incomplete. if people actually attempt to teach out of that book, you will get nothing out of it.

I will give you a Episcopal Amen on your statement about that "book". I had to study it way back when I was getting my Class A stuff.

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Hi guys - great thread!! My name is James and I'm the resident PGA Teaching Pro over at Golf Circuit, a new forum sponsor. Here are a few of my all time favorite reads:

Putt Like the Pros
by Dave Pelz. This is a must read for anyone trying to improve their putting. The data that Pelz has gathered is absolutely priceless!

 

Complete Conditioning for Golf
by Ralph Simpson and Pete Draovitch. It's a little clinical, but the information in here is not to be missed. The 10 minute warm-up routine is one of the most effective I've ever seen.

 

The Physics of Golf
by Theodore Jorgensen. This is a super scientific read, but if you've got the will to understand the material presented it can open new doors to your understanding of the swing.

 

The Game Before the Game
by
Lynn Marriott, Pia Nilsson, and Ron Sirak. If you're looking to improve the way you play, you've got to improve the way you practice. This book shows you how.

Check these books out when you have a chance - you'll be glad you did!

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They get the ball flight laws wrong in the PGA Manual. By that I mean in real life the initial direction of the ball is determined 85% by the face angle, and %15 by the swing path. Basically face angle determines initial direction and swing path (relative to the face angle) determines spin.

 

In the manual they say the old way, where face angle determines spin and swing path determines initial direction.

 

This is 100% true. The PGA Teaching Manual is outdated to say the least!

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Never been one to read a lot of golf books but if I did maybe if someone wrote the following they would be of use:

 

Gone With The Wind - Always been a classic and maybe the title of a good golf book on the specifics of the effects of wind.

 

A Bridge Too Far - I did read a story where Moe Norman was playing somewhere and there was a water hazard that was too far to drive over off the tee so he aimed for the bridge, landed the ball on the near side and the ball rolled across the bridge to the other side of the hazard. Could be a best seller. (Again)

 

The Adventures of Pinocchio – We have all played with someone, somewhere, sometime that is so obviously embellishing their score that there nose should be as long as the putter in their bag. Could be a tome on how to not let it get to you or maybe if you are one of those golfers it could be a step by step guide on how to better conceal the obvious.

 

The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes – This book would have many chapters and would probably be a golf bible.

 

Chapter 1 – The case of the missed lesson. Where did my swing go?

Chapter 2 – The case of the wayward greens keeper. Who put that bunker there?

Chapter 3 – The case of the reverse break. Who stepped on my line?

 

Robinson Crusoe – The instruction book on how to annoy the crap out of everyone else in your group so that you don't feel like your all by yourself when you slice every drive into the bush, hit every iron fat, land in every bunker (twice each hole), and four putt every green.

 

Great Expectations – Could be the title of any book that describes everything we thought we could do 2 minutes after learning or even deciding to learn something new. Drive like Jack Brabham the second the instructor signed off on our license. Ride like Kenny Roberts just because we bought a Yamaha. Give mum bad attitude because dad is not home (YET). Box really well because Everlast gloves are available on ebay, and of course make the green with a five iron (eventually).

 

The Tempest – Probably not a golf specific book but more likely about controlling rage within when that perfectly executed 6 iron shot drifts a fraction left (refer to Gone With The Wind) and instead of plopping nicely on the green and rolling up to the pin, actually ends up plugged in the front of the 6 foot deep bunker (refer to Chapter 2 of Sherlock Holmes) and you finish on a triple after the 3 putt.

 

I apologise in advance as I am sure the original question was sincere in its intent, but I couldn't help myself (refer The Adventures of Pinocchio).

 

AJ

 

P.S I was going to throw in "The Eagle Has Landed" but that would have been a bit tongue in cheek!

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Zen Golf. That book totally transformed my mental game and honestly changed the way I look at a lot of things outside of golf.

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'The Golfing Machine' by Homer Kelley

'The Physics of Golf' by Dr. Theodore Jorgenson

'Mental Toughness - Training For Golf' by Dr. Rob Bell

'Mental Management for Great Golf' by Dr. Bee Epstein Shepherd

 

I tend to find DVD's and videos to be more helpful when it comes to mass media golf instruction.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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About 40 years ago, I read a small paperback book titled "Swing Easy, Hit Hard" by Julios Boros.

 

Although I no longer have a copy and can't really remember what it said, I always remember the title and use it to re-focus my game when I am playing below my standard. Just reciting the name of the book allows me to re-focus and to not try so hard. Then my swing follows it's true path and finds the ball in the sweet spot.

 

 

From wikipedia: Boros won 18 PGA Tour events, including three major championships: the 1952 and 1963 U.S. Opens and the 1968 PGA Championship. He defeated Ed (Porky) Oliver by four strokes at the Northwood Country Club in Dallas at the 1952 U.S. Open for his first PGA Tour victory. In the 1963 U.S. Open, he defeated Arnold Palmer and Jacky Cupit in a playoff. Boros was the oldest player ever to win one of the four modern major championships with his 1968 PGA Championship victory at the age of 48. His record at the U.S. Open included seven other top five finishes, and he contended in that championship as late as 1973, when he was 53.

 

Boros was a member of the Ryder Cup team in 1959, 1963, 1965 and 1967. He was PGA Player of Year in 1952 and 1963. His total career PGA Tour earnings were $1,004,861. He was inducted into the World Golf Hall of Fame in 1982.

 

While other players often walked around a hole and studied the green for several minutes before putting – sometimes from their knees, Boros is remembered for not wasting any time. He would walk up to ball and "just do it". Noted for his relaxed, nonchalant looking swing and manner, he is remembered for his catch phrase "swing easy, hit hard". Boros had an exceptional short game.

 

Boros was also instrumental in starting the Senior PGA Tour in the late 1970s. The exciting televised playoff victory of Boros and partner Roberto De Vicenzo over Tommy Bolt and Art Wall, Jr. at the Legends of Golf tournament in 1979 raised the profile of professional senior golf competition.

 

P.S. the book is still available on Amazon for about $10.... Swing Easy, Hit Hard

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