StrokerAce Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Not a fan of Paige really, but she could be on to something here: What do you think? Did Westwood catch a bad break after hitting a great drive on 18? Not sure about you guys, but when I'm not playing in a match I definitely move it out of any fairway "holes" when I find one. (And I say holes because these are rarely smooth and clean sand-filled divots LOL) fixyurdivot, Golfspy_CG2, JohnSmalls and 2 others 5 Quote Driver- Cobra Aerojet LS 9.5 Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19*, F9 24* Irons- Titleist 718 AP2 (6i-50*) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Axis1 TourHM Ball- Maxfli Tour X Buggy- Motocaddy M7 GPS Remote Electric Caddy Bag- Motocaddy Dry-Series Proudly testing for 2024: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Not a fan of Paige really, but she could be on to something here: What do you think? Did Westwood catch a bad break after hitting a great drive on 18? Not sure about you guys, but when I'm not playing in a match I definitely move it out of any fairway "holes" when I find one. (And I say holes because these are rarely smooth and clean sand-filled divots LOL)When is a divot no longer a divot? DaveP043, JohnSmalls, RickyBobby_PR and 5 others 8 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: XCG7 Beta 15* w/Fujikura Fuel Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 This discussion has occurred several times and to develop a rule what is considered a divot would be difficult. It’s the run of the green and golf wasnt intended to have perfect lies Nobody thinks they need to put a ball back when they get a good break tony@CIC, JohnSmalls, TR1PTIK and 4 others 7 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Yep, it is often discussed and points made on both sides. But yeah, the big thing is how to define what's a divot and is one that is fresh and unrepaired treated differently than one that is a day or two old and "healed" Also one thing that I find funny when a shot ends up in a divot. The announcers react like it has just fallen into some abyss. And usually usually to the player, it's just a shrug of the shoulders, as they make ball first contact 99.999% of the time, and usually hit a pretty good shot. Would be interesting at some point to hear Bones or John Woods comments when they are following a group and see it happen, hear what they say that there quys thought about it when it happened. tony@CIC, silver & black, JohnSmalls and 6 others 9 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrokerAce Posted March 8, 2021 Author Share Posted March 8, 2021 Yeah - maybe golf could think about changing some rules.... but, then again. tony@CIC and JohnSmalls 2 Quote Driver- Cobra Aerojet LS 9.5 Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19*, F9 24* Irons- Titleist 718 AP2 (6i-50*) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Axis1 TourHM Ball- Maxfli Tour X Buggy- Motocaddy M7 GPS Remote Electric Caddy Bag- Motocaddy Dry-Series Proudly testing for 2024: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscipleofPenick Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Yes this is dumb. Let Westwood move the ball over half an inch and play on. Stupid oversight by the USGA on the rules. At least it was filled and leveled and not like the potholes we see on public tracks. An easy way to say what's a divot is either if a player is in an area designed to have grass and there is not grass under the ball AND/OR any part of the ball comes to rest below the intended playing surface.Take Dead Aim LICC, excourse, StrokerAce and 2 others 5 Quote Take Dead Aim Driver: PXG 0211 10.5* Fairway: Titleist 917 F3 15* Hybrid: Adams Idea Pro Boxer Gold 18* Irons: MacGregor MT-86 Pro Wedges: Vokey 50/54/58 Putter: SeeMore X2 Costa del Mar Ball: Srixon Z-Star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 An easy way to say what's a divot is either if a player is in an area designed to have grass and there is not grass under the ball AND/OR any part of the ball comes to rest below the intended playing surface.The courses you play must be immaculate. I would be taking drops all day if that was the basis for the decision. Chip Strokes, tony@CIC, THEZIPR23 and 5 others 6 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: XCG7 Beta 15* w/Fujikura Fuel Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 53 minutes ago, DiscipleofPenick said: Yes this is dumb. Let Westwood move the ball over half an inch and play on. Stupid oversight by the USGA on the rules. At least it was filled and leveled and not like the potholes we see on public tracks. An easy way to say what's a divot is either if a player is in an area designed to have grass and there is not grass under the ball AND/OR any part of the ball comes to rest below the intended playing surface. Take Dead Aim I have lots of courses here that have spots where grass is designated to be but there isn’t any and some courses the fairways may not even be grass. If anyone wants to have a clean lie they should play indoors JohnSmalls, tony@CIC, TR1PTIK and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hckymeyer Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 I agree with the can of worms that would opened up by trying to define what a divot is. It's one of those situations where when you see it, you know it and it's obvious. But there is a wide gray area there and much like we used to have to Tiger proof courses, I feel like now we need to Reed proof rules. I did see a great tweet from Alfonso Ribero though. The reason we rake bunkers is so the people that are first out and the people that are last out can play under the same conditions (that are able to be controlled) So why are the people that played best that week punished by having more divots to avoid compared to people who played worse and went out first? Golfspy_CG2, Middler and tony@CIC 2 1 Quote Driver: SLDR w/ Fujikura Ventus Black 3w: '16 M2 hl w/ Diamana D+ 82 5w: Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Yellow Hybrid: 22 deg. Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Black Irons: 5i - gap Launcher CBX w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Wedges: 54 CBX & 58 Zipcore w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Putter: Red 7s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 I agree with the can of worms that would opened up by trying to define what a divot is. It's one of those situations where when you see it, you know it and it's obvious. But there is a wide gray area there and much like we used to have to Tiger proof courses, I feel like now we need to Reed proof rules. I did see a great tweet from Alfonso Ribero though. The reason we rake bunkers is so the people that are first out and the people that are last out can play under the same conditions (that are able to be controlled) So why are the people that played best that week punished by having more divots to avoid compared to people who played worse and went out first?What a about yesterday’s or last weeks divots? The only real solution would be preferred lies in the fairway. If you are in the fairway you get to roll the ball within say 6” of where it stopped....always. silver & black, HardcoreLooper, JohnSmalls and 2 others 5 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: XCG7 Beta 15* w/Fujikura Fuel Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shapotomous Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 2 hours ago, DiscipleofPenick said: ....... An easy way to say what's a divot is either if a player is in an area designed to have grass and there is not grass under the ball AND/OR any part of the ball comes to rest below the intended playing surface. PR would be drooling over all the lie improvements he could do with that definition!! I thought the tourney's had volunteers that fill the divots between groups so it's leveled out and they aren't hitting from a crater. As mentioned they hit the ball first so it doesn't impact their shot very much. tony@CIC, DaveP043 and JohnSmalls 3 Quote Modern Bag: G410 LST 10.5*, Hzrdus Smoke RDX 6.5 Flex; 915F 3w, Diamana S+ 70 S flex; Snake Eyes 18* 2h, 23* 4h & 27* 5h; JPX 900 Forged 6 - PW, PX LZ 6.0; Edison 2.0 49*, 53*, 57* KBS Tour 120 S; Heppler Fetch; Ball - MTB-X; Bag - Jones MyGolfSpy Edition! Shot Scope H4, MG600 Rangefinder Classic Bag: Driver - Persimmon; 3w - Speed Slot; 5w - Tour Block; 3 - pw - Dynapower; sw - Ram Tom Watson; putter - bullseye standard or flange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscipleofPenick Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 The courses you play must be immaculate. I would be taking drops all day if that was the basis for the decision. It's the exact opposite, as I play a ton of public golf and there's gopher holes dug by weekend hacks at almost all courses. And those bare spots would be marked in white lines Ground Under Repair if they even existed at tournament level establishments, country clubs, and resorts. There should be leeway in the rules for this discretion. High end courses take care of these things. The public do not.Take Dead Aim StrokerAce, tony@CIC and Brian A 3 Quote Take Dead Aim Driver: PXG 0211 10.5* Fairway: Titleist 917 F3 15* Hybrid: Adams Idea Pro Boxer Gold 18* Irons: MacGregor MT-86 Pro Wedges: Vokey 50/54/58 Putter: SeeMore X2 Costa del Mar Ball: Srixon Z-Star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DaveP043 Posted March 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2021 5 hours ago, DiscipleofPenick said: Stupid oversight by the USGA on the rules. Not an oversight at all, they took a hard look at this situation, and decided against making any kind of rule change, 4 hours ago, hckymeyer said: I did see a great tweet from Alfonso Ribero though. The reason we rake bunkers is so the people that are first out and the people that are last out can play under the same conditions (that are able to be controlled) So why are the people that played best that week punished by having more divots to avoid compared to people who played worse and went out first? We rake bunkers to care for the course, and to allow the players behind us an opportunity to enjoy similar conditions to what we face. We replace divots, or fill them with sand, for exactly the same reason. People do fail at times to rake bunkers properly, just as they fail to replace divots. In either case, we play the ball as it lies. downlowkey, RickyBobby_PR, HardcoreLooper and 7 others 9 1 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlH Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 This debate has been argued ad nauseam as long as I can remember -- from the pros to the hackers -- all have an opinion. I've been in my share of divots, from craters to sand-filled -- sometimes it hoses me, but typically, I just focus on striking the ball better and usually come out just fine. I personally don't think this rule will ever change and I'm okay with that. Without a doubt, many will agree and many will disagree -- and we have years of this argument to see that. DiscipleofPenick, THEZIPR23, RickyBobby_PR and 6 others 9 Quote Driver: Rogue ST Max (10.5* set at -1 and neutral) -- Mitsubishi Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Fairway: Rogue ST Max 3 wood (16.5*) and Heaven Wood (20*)-- Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Hybrids: Rogue ST Max 5H (23*)--Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Irons: Apex CF19 6-9, PW, AW -- KBS Tour Graphite TGI 70 shafts R +1/2 inch 3* upright Wedges: Edison 53* and 57* KBS PGI 80 Graphite +1/2 inch 2* upright Putter: L.A.B. DF 2.1 -- BGT Stability shaft Ball: Maxfli TourX...Golf Bag: Pioneer...Shoes: Hyperflex... Glove: Red Rooster Feather My Photography can be seen at Smugmug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenGolfer Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 8 hours ago, StrokerAce said: Not a fan of Paige really, but she could be on to something here: What do you think? Did Westwood catch a bad break after hitting a great drive on 18? Not sure about you guys, but when I'm not playing in a match I definitely move it out of any fairway "holes" when I find one. (And I say holes because these are rarely smooth and clean sand-filled divots LOL) I say play it as it lies. No one ever said golf was fair. Anyone I play with, if you tried to move your ball out of a fairway divot, they would make you move it back or give you a penalty stroke. JohnSmalls, TR1PTIK, tony@CIC and 1 other 4 Quote "I suppose its better to be a master of 7 than to be vaguely familiar with 14." - Chick Evans Whats in my Sun Mountain 2.5+ stand bag? Woods: Tommy Armour Atomic 10.5* Hybrid: Mizuno MP Fli-Hi 3H Irons: Mizuno T-Zoid True 5, 7 and 9-irons Wedge: Mizuno S18 54* and Top Flite chipper Putter: Mizuno Bettinardi A-02 Ball: Maxfli Tour X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 I doubt this rule ever gets changed though I support the change. The folks I play with move balls out of divots. If there are rocks or roots that are likely to get hit we move from those as well. Yes, the dimes and quarters are serious money but not worth injury or damage to gear. Middler and JohnSmalls 2 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Official Review) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrokerAce Posted March 9, 2021 Author Share Posted March 9, 2021 I'll give Westwood credit. He took it in stride like a champ. Also was surprised to hear he had won 22 times by the time he was BAD's age... impressive! As expected, Westwood took the whole thing in stride. He was not asked about the bad luck in his post-tournament press conference, but he did respond to a tweet on DivotGate Sunday evening. If anyone knows about golf being unfair, it’s Westwood, which is why this reaction is not surprising in the least. His ball has found a divot hole before and it likely will again, be it on a Thursday morning while no one is watching or in the final pairing on Sunday. If and when it does, Westwood will step up, strike it and move on to the next shot, fair or unfair. CarlH, TR1PTIK, THEZIPR23 and 3 others 5 1 Quote Driver- Cobra Aerojet LS 9.5 Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19*, F9 24* Irons- Titleist 718 AP2 (6i-50*) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Axis1 TourHM Ball- Maxfli Tour X Buggy- Motocaddy M7 GPS Remote Electric Caddy Bag- Motocaddy Dry-Series Proudly testing for 2024: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR1PTIK Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Play it as it lies. IMO, if you want to be a good ball striker, learn to play out of a divot. HardcoreLooper, RickyBobby_PR, downlowkey and 2 others 5 Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 This topic gets brought up every year or two, usually when there is a rule change and divots didn't make the cut... again, or a pro gets hosed in a tournament. Westwood didn't get hosed. He had a nice sand-filled divot to hit out of and made a nice shot onto the green. There are divots and then there are "divots". Many courses we play don't have the luxury of sand-filled divots, especially this past year. It's not that people occasionally don't fill divots, they never fill divots. Our carts don't even have sand bottles anymore, and we don't have rakes for the bunkers either. It's one thing to hit out of a sand-filled divot, it's quite another to hit out of a crater in the middle of the fairway, half the ball below below grade, with the divot angled 45 degrees to the direction of the green. Now that's being hosed. My view is that's "ground needing repair", or ground under repair that hasn't been repaired yet. As for when is a divot no longer a divot argument... it's a divot when your playing partner says it's a divot. After all, the playing partner is there to protect the field. TR1PTIK, DiscipleofPenick, JohnSmalls and 1 other 4 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR1PTIK Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 10 minutes ago, Kenny B said: This topic gets brought up every year or two, usually when there is a rule change and divots didn't make the cut... again, or a pro gets hosed in a tournament. Westwood didn't get hosed. He had a nice sand-filled divot to hit out of and made a nice shot onto the green. There are divots and then there are "divots". Many courses we play don't have the luxury of sand-filled divots, especially this past year. It's not that people occasionally don't fill divots, they never fill divots. Our carts don't even have sand bottles anymore, and we don't have rakes for the bunkers either. It's one thing to hit out of a sand-filled divot, it's quite another to hit out of a crater in the middle of the fairway, half the ball below below grade, with the divot angled 45 degrees to the direction of the green. Now that's being hosed. My view is that's "ground needing repair", or ground under repair that hasn't been repaired yet. As for when is a divot no longer a divot argument... it's a divot when your playing partner says it's a divot. After all, the playing partner is there to protect the field. A fair and balanced approach. I like it! JohnSmalls and Kenny B 2 Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 23 minutes ago, Kenny B said: it's a divot when your playing partner says it's a divot. After all, the playing partner is there to protect the field. This is difficult, we're all going to interpret this differently. Remember the "backstopping" conversation not long ago, Jimmy Walker said that sometimes the ball was left in place to help a player you like, and other times it was marked to avoid helping someone you don't like. Divots would be similar, I bet, the player's approval to get relief would often depend on being well-liked by his peers. Every other relief situation has a pretty straightforward definition, you'd have to have one for divot holes if you want to make a rule allowing relief. HardcoreLooper, cnosil, StrokerAce and 3 others 6 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrokerAce Posted March 9, 2021 Author Share Posted March 9, 2021 The thing that is curious though is that when a ball is on the green the surface is treated as though it must be pristine and you are allowed to adjust it, thus giving more weight and importance to a putt vs a ball in the fairway where you expect to be rewarded for a good shot. Middler and Kenny B 2 Quote Driver- Cobra Aerojet LS 9.5 Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19*, F9 24* Irons- Titleist 718 AP2 (6i-50*) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Axis1 TourHM Ball- Maxfli Tour X Buggy- Motocaddy M7 GPS Remote Electric Caddy Bag- Motocaddy Dry-Series Proudly testing for 2024: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, StrokerAce said: The thing that is curious though is that when a ball is on the green the surface is treated as though it must be pristine and you are allowed to adjust it, thus giving more weight and importance to a putt vs a ball in the fairway where you expect to be rewarded for a good shot. The rules have increasingly recognized the putting green as a special place, compared to the rest of the golf course. This is almost certainly due to the increasing quality of the surface available on most greens due to improvements in equipment, agronomy, chemicals, water control, and other factors. And it has really only happened over the last 60 years or so. Prior to that you couldn't improve your line of play on the green, you couldn't lift or clean your ball on the green, you just played it down. Watch old films of putting at Augusta, you find faster greens today at most local muni courses. While fairways have certainly improved for many of the same reasons, the rulesmakers haven't seen fit to tell us that we should expect perfection when we (occasionally) hit a fairway. And to do so would throw out one of the basic foundations of the rules, play the course as you find it. downlowkey, TR1PTIK, Tarheelvolvo and 1 other 4 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 The rules have increasingly recognized the putting green as a special place, compared to the rest of the golf course. This is almost certainly due to the increasing quality of the surface available on most greens due to improvements in equipment, agronomy, chemicals, water control, and other factors. And it has really only happened over the last 60 years or so. Prior to that you couldn't improve your line of play on the green, you couldn't lift or clean your ball on the green, you just played it down. Watch old films of putting at Augusta, you find faster greens today at most local muni courses. While fairways have certainly improved for many of the same reasons, the rulesmakers haven't seen fit to tell us that we should expect perfection when we (occasionally) hit a fairway. And to do so would throw out one of the basic foundations of the rules, play the course as you find it. Ah yes days of old. Let’s go back to the stymie! Golf the way it was intended HardcoreLooper, fixyurdivot and Kenny B 1 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: XCG7 Beta 15* w/Fujikura Fuel Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 9 minutes ago, cnosil said: Ah yes days of old. Let’s go back to the stymie! Golf the way it was intended I didn't say all of the changes are bad, just that I think changing the rules regarding divot holes would be unnecessary, unwise, and unenforceable. HardcoreLooper and TR1PTIK 2 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 I didn't say all of the changes are bad, just that I think changing the rules regarding divot holes would be unnecessary, unwise, and unenforceable.I agree with you. When you were talking about how the greens used to be and. It being able to pick up the ball, it made me think of the rollback golf thoughts and how courses are become irrelevant which made me think about how stymies Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: XCG7 Beta 15* w/Fujikura Fuel Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 9 minutes ago, cnosil said: I agree with you. When you were talking about how the greens used to be and. It being able to pick up the ball, it made me think of the rollback golf thoughts and how courses are become irrelevant which made me think about how stymies I read an article Tufts wrote for the USGA in about 1959 or 1960, wondering whether the Rules were getting too soft, based on the changes to the rules for the putting green. That's what I was reminded of, and maybe in a couple of decades we'll be asking the same thing if divot relief is actually approved. HardcoreLooper, cnosil and Tarheelvolvo 3 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downlowkey Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 When I was kid, several balls in my range bucket were devoted to practicing less than ideal lies - rough, divots, etc. - because they are inevitable. Playing from a divot is an opportunity to test your grit, one of the things that makes the game so very special. It’s meant to challenge character, build resolve and ultimately, take your lumps like a gentleman. Here’s a thought exercise for those expecting eternally perfect fairway lies: In exchange for free fairway divot relief, would it also be reasonable for a playing partner to step on your ball that’s sitting up in the rough - to make sure you get what you truly deserve? Life is about maintaining balance and golf is one of the few remaining activities that mimics the randomness of our journey, in 18 hole doses of good and bad breaks. I’ll continue to take the challenging path of playing the ball as it lies. Hopefully the result will be more grace in those gritty situations we inevitably encounter outside the game and also more appreciation for the occasional good breaks I didn’t deserve. aerospace_ray, Golfspy_CG2, TR1PTIK and 5 others 7 1 Quote PXG___0811 X 9* - Mitsubishi Diamana s60 Limited X Cobra___S9-1 Pro 15* - Matrix Ozik XCON 7 S Adams___XTD Forged 3i - Matrix Ozik Program F15 120 S Adams___CMB 4-PW - Matrix Ozik Program F15 120 S KZG___Tri-Tour 50.08__54.10__58.12 - Accra iCWT 2.0-95i S Nike___Method Converge B1-01 (copper insert) Maxfli___'23 Tour X "The most important shot in golf is the next one“ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHolmes Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 No. We play the course as we find it with the rule variations as they exist. What then, would constitute a "divot"? Yesterdays? Three days ago? The one filled last week with sand that hasnt grown in? The one where the grass was replaced and the ball sits on the replaced grass. If we"re going to that, why not lift, clean, and place every shot?Sent from my SM-G950U using MyGolfSpy mobile app Tarheelvolvo and cnosil 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarheelvolvo Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Hey Guys - Quick note. First time I tried to Merge a thread - I started a very similar thread today into this one and thought I was doing it correctly, but I did it backwards (copied the OG thread, when I should have copied the new thread). Apologies to the members who were commenting on this topic previously and hopefully you can forgive the oversight as I still learn all the particular nuances of the system! Regarding the topic at hand - I'm in the camp of "play it where it lies." It sucks that happened to Lee, but it could have been anybody and we all have to deal with it. I realize it's even more prevalent on the Tour given there is a "landing zone" that can get pretty chewed up by Sunday of a tournament, but that's what separates the pros from the joes - they can still get on the green from that divot while we'd be in the woods or bunker, haha! HardcoreLooper, Nolan220, DaveP043 and 1 other 4 Quote In my Hoofer: G410 LST 10.5* - Kai'Li White 60 X-flex VRS Covert 3W 15* - Kuro Kage 65 S-flex T200 4-GW, DG X100 Tour Issue - Tester Glide 2.0 Stealth 54.12 SS & 58.10 SS Zing 2 LW - 60* Anser 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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