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32 minutes ago, cnosil said:


Agree, let’s get rid of sprinklers and drains and play the game like golfs forefathers. You know follow the spirit of the game and get rid of these finely manicured courses. emoji23.pngemoji1787.pngemoji23.pngemoji12.png

I'm not sure I can build a pile of sand high enough for my tee shot! 🤣

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1 hour ago, Brinkie said:

I know......That is my point.  Why should a divot in the fairway treated differently

Divots occurred naturally on golf courses even before there WERE rules, they have always been considered a natural and normal part of the challenge of golf.  Obstructions (which are defined in the rules as being artificial) occurred later, generally speaking, and the Rules were adapted to address these "new" issues on the course.

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That actually has been the trend in golf course architecture for the last 25 years. Going to a more naturalistic and less manicured look.


Could be if you look at courses like Brandon. But looking at other courses with 100 yard wide fairways and bulldozer created structures seems to say the opposite. The trend seems to be sustainability of a course meaning fewer bunkers, more unkept areas, and shorter less landmass courses. That said, I would guess they still water and keep the fairways pretty immaculate.

My intended joke was to get rid of irrigation and drainage; which isn’t going to happen, and just play in the fields like when golf started.

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4 minutes ago, cnosil said:

My intended joke was to get rid of irrigation and drainage; which isn’t going to happen, and just play in the fields like when golf started.

You need to explain jokes to some people.

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I'm not sure I can build a pile of sand high enough for my tee shot! [emoji1787]

Watch Laura Davies, she has a good process for making a tee

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54 minutes ago, cnosil said:

 


Could be if you look at courses like Brandon. But looking at other courses with 100 yard wide fairways and bulldozer created structures seems to say the opposite. The trend seems to be sustainability of a course meaning fewer bunkers, more unkept areas, and shorter less landmass courses. That said, I would guess they still water and keep the fairways pretty immaculate.

My intended joke was to get rid of irrigation and drainage; which isn’t going to happen, and just play in the fields like when golf started.

 

Using a bulldozer or not, or the number of bunkers, has nothing to do with it. The predominant trend has been for a naturalistic and not manicured look. 

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2 hours ago, Brinkie said:

I know......That is my point.  Why should a divot in the fairway treated differently

Because sprinkler heads and drain covers are immovable obstructions as defined by the rules.  A divot is not.

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20 hours ago, CarlH said:

Because sprinkler heads and drain covers are immovable obstructions as defined by the rules.  A divot is not.

Thanks, I know the rules.  If you could move a divot then your argument may be valid.

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21 hours ago, DaveP043 said:

Divots occurred naturally on golf courses even before there WERE rules, they have always been considered a natural and normal part of the challenge of golf.  Obstructions (which are defined in the rules as being artificial) occurred later, generally speaking, and the Rules were adapted to address these "new" issues on the course.

I guess everyone is missing my point.  If you stripe a drive down the middle of the fairway and land in a divot 275 yards away that cannot be seen from the tee, why should you be punished for that when someone else in the group can drive it into another fairway and find a perfect lie and line because it's an area others haven't hit from frequently

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1 hour ago, Brinkie said:

I guess everyone is missing my point.  If you stripe a drive down the middle of the fairway and land in a divot 275 yards away that cannot be seen from the tee, why should you be punished for that when someone else in the group can drive it into another fairway and find a perfect lie and line because it's an area others haven't hit from frequently

There is no good reason to fail to give a free drop out of the divot. If a maintenance worker put the same hole in the fairway, it would be ground under repair and a free drop. 

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1 hour ago, Brinkie said:

I guess everyone is missing my point.  If you stripe a drive down the middle of the fairway and land in a divot 275 yards away that cannot be seen from the tee, why should you be punished for that when someone else in the group can drive it into another fairway and find a perfect lie and line because it's an area others haven't hit from frequently

We are not missing your point.   Perhaps you can write the rule;  how do you definitively determine without a doubt that a divot is no longer a divot. 

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So many worried about a situation they may experience once in a blue moon.

I think the last time i ended up in a divot was 2018

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21 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

So many worried about a situation they may experience once in a blue moon.

I think the last time i ended up in a divot was 2018

Been playing this game for more than 20 years and don’t remember ever being in one!

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30 minutes ago, blackngold_blood said:

Been playing this game for more than 20 years and don’t remember ever being in one!

Yeah. I can count on one hand the number of times I’ve been in a divot in the 24ish years I’ve been playing and I don’t always play top notch courses.  9 hole course I play back home is in a public park. I’ve never been in a divot there

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On 4/24/2021 at 10:37 AM, cnosil said:

We are not missing your point.   Perhaps you can write the rule;  how do you definitively determine without a doubt that a divot is no longer a divot. 

If a ball in the fairway lies in a depression without grass underneath then the player may take the nearest point of relief no closer to the hole.....done!  Although I am sure you will still have issue with this.

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16 minutes ago, Brinkie said:

If a ball in the fairway lies in a depression without grass underneath then the player may take the nearest point of relief no closer to the hole.....done!  Although I am sure you will still have issue with this.

What about if your ball comes to rest on the pelt of grass from a divot that's been recently replaced in the divot? The ball's not in a depression but it's still in a divot. By your rule, there's no relief allowed for that.

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1 hour ago, Brinkie said:

If a ball in the fairway lies in a depression without grass underneath then the player may take the nearest point of relief no closer to the hole.....done!  Although I am sure you will still have issue with this.

So you get relief from areas on the fairway that have no grass and aren't divots?  How much grass is necessary to no longer consider it a divot.   

Make the rule Patrick Reed proof. 

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16 hours ago, FrogginBullfish said:

What about if your ball comes to rest on the pelt of grass from a divot that's been recently replaced in the divot? The ball's not in a depression but it's still in a divot. By your rule, there's no relief allowed for that.

Sounds right and very clear. If it is on grass and not a depression, no relief. 

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15 hours ago, cnosil said:

So you get relief from areas on the fairway that have no grass and aren't divots?  How much grass is necessary to no longer consider it a divot.   

Make the rule Patrick Reed proof. 

That is not what he said. He said there is a depression and no grass. Similar to what I posted earlier- the ball lies below fairway height and no grass. 

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15 hours ago, cnosil said:

Make the rule Patrick Reed proof. 

This is what I’m waiting for. Just want to see someone wrote a rule that’s clear cut.

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