Mtbryant01 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 1 hour ago, gavinski91 said: I'll echo what others have said - with the link I leave my phone in the bag entirely. I've been keeping score on a paper scorecard (strokes, putts, penalties) as a backup, and you can use the button on the Link to set the pin location on the green so you don't have to remember that. So at the end of the round I just have to double check the number of putts on each hole, add penalties where necessary, and maybe edit a few shots (like change what Arccos thought was a putt to a chip if it was from off the green). Thanks for the tip with setting the pin location from the link! Will definitely do that next round. sirchunksalot and HeathS16 2 Quote Cobra Connect 5 participant G410 Plus, w/ X stiff 75 g Project X Evenflow Black shaft driver / Radspeed w/ Smoke RDX Blue 70S shaft Big Tour 3 wood/ 5 wood w/ Fujikura X F3 60S shaft 4 Hybrid w/ Project X Catalyst 80S shaft Copper MIM Tour Irons w/ KBS $ Taper Balck 120S shaft Snakebite 50, 54, and 58 wedges w/ KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 125S shaft Newport 2.5 putter MTB X golf balls RH, Alabama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeathS16 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 6 hours ago, txgolfjunkie said: I've had Arccos for over a year and I like the stat tracking. I don't find it too distracting, but like others have said, the link is great to have if you don't want your phone in your pocket. I used to think the Apple watch was the key to ditch the phone and still free up bluetooth to play music over a speaker, but it kept missing shots and not advancing to the next hole some times. The link runs off its own GPS so it's tracking the shots and allowing you to leave your phone in the cart. I've only played one round with the link and it only missed one shot. They only reason I checked the app is because I wanted to get yardages that weren't picked up easily with the laser. If you want to have PGA-esk stats kept on your round, then Arccos is your go-to. It is definitely the system for data junkies. I agree with this 1000% I have been an Arccos user since their Arccos Driver days. I love it! The link and their SG data has been such a giant leap forward.so much so that my coach and I have been able to structure lessons and practice around the weaknesses that Arccos has shown in my game. Truly a wonderful tool, but it can be expensive. Brian A, gavinski91 and sirchunksalot 3 Quote Driver: TSi3 Tester Check out the Review HERE 2-Iron- 699-U 5-Wood: Pro (18*) Irons : i210 4-PW Wedges: RTX-4 50* and 54* RTX-3 *58 Putter: Impact No. 3 Ball: MAXFLI TOUR Tracked by: Bag: BagBoy ZTF Stand Bag (REVIEW HERE) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Pretty solid round this morning. Arccos link worked flawlessly. No missed shots. Just had to tweak a few things at the end, but not different than the Apple Watch in terms of accuracy gavinski91, sirchunksalot, edingc and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post null Posted June 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2021 Hoping to be able to put these on some clubs soon GolfSpy AFG, russtopherb, Brian A and 9 others 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavinski91 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 1 hour ago, jlukes said: Hoping to be able to put these on some clubs soon Ooh those look good - what color bag did you go with? sirchunksalot 1 Quote Driver - Radspeed XB at 7.5°, Aldila Rogue Silver 70-S 3 Wood - Radspeed, Aldila Rogue Silver 70-S 5 Wood - Radspeed, Fujikura Motore X F3 6-S Utility - Pro 225 3i, Mitsubishi MMT 105S Irons - Pro 225 4-5, 223 6-PW, KBS $-Taper 120 Wedges - King Cobra Snakebite 52° & 58°, KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 S Putter - Stroke Lab Black Ten 35" Ball - Chrome Tour Powered by 2020 ExPutt Official Review | 2021 Cobra Connect Five Participant | 2023 SuperSpeed Official Review | 2024 Claw Glove Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 9 hours ago, gavinski91 said: Ooh those look good - what color bag did you go with? sirchunksalot, GolfSpy AFG, edingc and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russtopherb Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 11 hours ago, jlukes said: Hoping to be able to put these on some clubs soon 58 minutes ago, jlukes said: Oh that combo is going to look sick. Can't wait for everything to show up for some pics. edingc, gavinski91 and sirchunksalot 3 Quote In my Big Max hybrid bag: ST-X 10.5* Kai'li Blue R Flex ST-Z 15* Kai'li Blue R Flex ST-Z 4h Linq Blue R Flex Halo XL 5i-DW CBX 54* & 58* ER5 Tour S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian A Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 Another round in the books. Beginning to like the arrcos system for tracking. Still can’t get any distance off the tee. Nunfa0, MaxEntropy, sirchunksalot and 3 others 6 Quote Driver: G425 9* Hzrdus Smoke Green Small batch 6.5 70g Fairway Wood: Cobra Radspeed Big 3 Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Hybrid: Cobra Aerojet 5 Wood Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Irons: T200 (4-AW) AMT Black Stiff Shafts Wedges: Tour Rack 56* 60* Putter: Scotty Cameron Golo 5 Right Handed Pittsburgh, PA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftyMatt89 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 25 minutes ago, Brian A said: Another round in the books. Beginning to like the arrcos system for tracking. Still can’t get any distance off the tee. Maybe no distance but still gaining strokes with driving which is a positive if you add distance it will only go higher. edingc, Brian A, sirchunksalot and 2 others 5 Quote Driver: TSR3 8 Ventus Red TR 8X Fairway: TSi2 16.5 Ventus Red TR 8X Hybrid: Sim 2 - 19 Hybrid Tensei Orange 90TX or Srixon ZX 2 Iron - ADDI 105X Irons: T200/T100S Black 4-AW - MMT 125TX Wedges: SM8 54.10S & 58.04T MMT 125TX (Soon to Test Toura Wedges with MMT 125TX) Putter: Lajosi DD201 Pro V1X Left Dash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian A Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 43 minutes ago, LeftyMatt89 said: Maybe no distance but still gaining strokes with driving which is a positive if you add distance it will only go higher. I played the slice a bit more consistently today. Interesting to see how normally my putting is good, was off today and it shows sirchunksalot and MattF 2 Quote Driver: G425 9* Hzrdus Smoke Green Small batch 6.5 70g Fairway Wood: Cobra Radspeed Big 3 Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Hybrid: Cobra Aerojet 5 Wood Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Irons: T200 (4-AW) AMT Black Stiff Shafts Wedges: Tour Rack 56* 60* Putter: Scotty Cameron Golo 5 Right Handed Pittsburgh, PA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post txgolfjunkie Posted June 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2021 I'm noticing a trend with among us in the Cobra Connect Challenge... Arccos: Y'all need to work on your damn irons and wedges. Us: Can't wait to bomb it off the tee! Arccos: Irons! Wedges! Us: This 3W from the fairway is going to be the best! Arccos: *facepalm* Us: Bombs! It is comical that most of the rounds we've posted, we've lost shots on approach and short game. Glad we're all in the same boat, regardless of handicap. sirchunksalot, knightsofnii, MaxEntropy and 12 others 6 9 Quote Cobra Connect 5 Competitor - Team Chad King Radspeed 10.5* w/ Hzrdus RDX Blue 60 6.5 tipped 1/2" - Peacoat/Red King Radspeed Big Tour 3 Wood w/ Hzrdus RDX Blue 70 6.5 Tipped 1/2" King Radspeed Tour 5 Wood w/ Motore X F1 70 X Flex King Utility 4 21* w/ Tensei Pro White 100 X Flex King Tour MIM Copper Irons 5-G w/ AMT White X100 Onyx King MIM Black Wedges 55* & 60* w/ AMT White X100 Onyx Spider SR Pro V1x Left Dash Lefty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GolfSpy_BOS Posted June 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2021 42 minutes ago, txgolfjunkie said: I'm noticing a trend with among us in the Cobra Connect Challenge... Arccos: Y'all need to work on your damn irons and wedges. Us: Can't wait to bomb it off the tee! Arccos: Irons! Wedges! Us: This 3W from the fairway is going to be the best! Arccos: *facepalm* Us: Bombs! It is comical that most of the rounds we've posted, we've lost shots on approach and short game. Glad we're all in the same boat, regardless of handicap. Rationalization: If I could just it it 5-10 yards further with my driver my approach game would be soooo much better. sirchunksalot, edingc, MattF and 7 others 4 6 Quote Qi10 - Terra Forza White | Speedzone 5-wood - Ventus Blue 8S | G430 3-Hybrid - Kai'li White 80s SMS Pro 4-PW - Steelfiber i110S | MG3 Raw Black 50.09, 54.11, 58.11 - DG TI S200 Mezz Max | Pro V1x | Vortex Blade | Ghost Maverick Black Ops - Forum Edition | CaddyLite EZ v8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftyMatt89 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 14 minutes ago, B.Boston said: Rationalization: If I could just it it 5-10 yards further with my driver my approach game would be soooo much better. Haha that’s so funny. From someone who can hit em far occasionally it’s all about approach and short game for my score. As long as drive doesn’t go OB I have a decent shot that day haha sirchunksalot, MattF, Nunfa0 and 2 others 5 Quote Driver: TSR3 8 Ventus Red TR 8X Fairway: TSi2 16.5 Ventus Red TR 8X Hybrid: Sim 2 - 19 Hybrid Tensei Orange 90TX or Srixon ZX 2 Iron - ADDI 105X Irons: T200/T100S Black 4-AW - MMT 125TX Wedges: SM8 54.10S & 58.04T MMT 125TX (Soon to Test Toura Wedges with MMT 125TX) Putter: Lajosi DD201 Pro V1X Left Dash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 1 hour ago, txgolfjunkie said: I'm noticing a trend with among us in the Cobra Connect Challenge... Arccos: Y'all need to work on your damn irons and wedges. Us: Can't wait to bomb it off the tee! Arccos: Irons! Wedges! Us: This 3W from the fairway is going to be the best! Arccos: *facepalm* Us: Bombs! It is comical that most of the rounds we've posted, we've lost shots on approach and short game. Glad we're all in the same boat, regardless of handicap. Haha it has been the story of my golf game for the past 2 years. However - if we hit it further, our approach shots become shorter and then the likelihood of hitting it closer increases. Hitting it closer means less reliance on s***** chipping Big brain stuff (or at least that's what I keep telling myself) MaxEntropy, GolfSpy_SHARK, LeftyMatt89 and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian A Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 2 hours ago, txgolfjunkie said: I'm noticing a trend with among us in the Cobra Connect Challenge... Arccos: Y'all need to work on your damn irons and wedges. Us: Can't wait to bomb it off the tee! Arccos: Irons! Wedges! Us: This 3W from the fairway is going to be the best! Arccos: *facepalm* Us: Bombs! It is comical that most of the rounds we've posted, we've lost shots on approach and short game. Glad we're all in the same boat, regardless of handicap. And what’s strange is that’s where I’ve always felt like I kept myself in the game and arrcos is telling me I don’t… sirchunksalot and GolfSpy_SHARK 2 Quote Driver: G425 9* Hzrdus Smoke Green Small batch 6.5 70g Fairway Wood: Cobra Radspeed Big 3 Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Hybrid: Cobra Aerojet 5 Wood Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Irons: T200 (4-AW) AMT Black Stiff Shafts Wedges: Tour Rack 56* 60* Putter: Scotty Cameron Golo 5 Right Handed Pittsburgh, PA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisag Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 ... We all have our own ideas on how to play our best or more accurately how to shoot our lowest scores. I am of the opinion that driving is the least important. Obviously really poor driving is an issue if you are in the woods, water or OB but if you hit the ball reasonably well off the tee missing your target by 33% but hit accurate irons you have a much better chance of scoring well than if you hit accurate drives and miss your iron shots by 33%. Aiming down the left side and ending up in the first cut on the right side probably won't hurt you much and you can even still birdie the hole. Aiming at the pin on the left side and missing into a deep bunker/thick green side rough on the right side can cost you 1 or more strokes. ... We have all hit a HUGE drive only to hit a bad approach shot and feel like we wasted our drive. OTOH hitting a poor tee shot that ends up 15 yds shorter than normal in the light rough or first cut can turn into a birdie with an accurate iron. Hitting the ball close to the hole with your irons is the easiest way to lower your score. He!! you can birdie from another fairway with a great iron shot while a great drive sets you up, but assures you of nothing. I am not saying driving it long and straight is irrelevant and pretty sure all my really low rounds came when I was driving it really well but it is the least important of the 3 elements to score as long as the other 2 elements are excellent. Hitting irons close, getting up and down from around the green/lagging long putts to tap in and finally driving. It is one of the reasons good players view par 5's as birdie holes. ... A poor drive on a par 5 can easily be overcome by a good layup and still birdied with a great approach shot. A great drive that is followed by a lay up in the rough, bunker, water or woods is much more difficult to overcome. Hitting a short iron approach into the lip of the bunker or short sided is another recipe for a bogie or worse. And of course a bad chip/pitch/putt can mean a double while an excellent chip/pitch/putt can mean birdie or at least save par. ... Personally I get the most satisfaction out of hitting an iron into tap in range, especially if it wasn't a perfect yardage. But like everyone, there is something that taps into my caveman instincts when I hit a huge drive and set myself up to reach a par 5 in 2. I get the long ball allure and by all means continue to improve your driving ability ... just spend much more time on your irons and your short game and watch your index drop. sirchunksalot, Brian A, Nunfa0 and 2 others 5 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... AutoFlex Dream 7 SF405 Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'Li Blue 70r Hybrids: G430 Hybrid 22*... Alta Hy70r Irons: P770 5-pw ... Steelfiber i80r TP UDi 4 ... Steelfiber i80r Wedges: MG3 46*/50*/54* MG4 58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Custom 5.1 (no alignment) 33" Ball: '24 TP5x/Maxfli Tour X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_SHARK Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Hit bombs, everything else will catch up like 57 Heinz bens197, sirchunksalot, Brian A and 1 other 2 2 Quote Check out my reviews: G710 Irons Official Review I MC Shaft & V Series Putter Official Review 2022 Forged Tec's Official Review I Nitron Push Cart Official Review WITB: Weapons of grass destruction (link to WITB) Traverse is filled with all this shiny metal and tracked by RadSpeed 8* - MotoreX F1 6X SIM 3W - Project X HZRDUS Green U505 Driving Iron 17* - Project X HZRDUS Black SpeedZone 4H - Project X HZRDUS Black 2022 King Forged Tec's 4-PW - KBS $ Tape 130 48 (SM8), 52 & 60 (SM7) - Nippon Modus 125 S ER2VI PROV1X #19 Are you a veteran? Check out the Veterans Golf Association (VGA) Thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaDawg Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 I believe it was Lee Trevino that said "Drive for show, putt for dough" sirchunksalot, bens197, Brian A and 3 others 6 Quote Driver: TSI3 - 10*, Hzrdus Smoke 6.0 Stiff Driver: Qi10 - 10.5*, Hzrdus Smoke RDX 6.0 Stiff 3 Wood: Qi10 - 15*, Graphite Design Tour AD DJ5 Stiff 5 Wood: Qi10 - Ventus TR Reg Irons: 5 - PW T150, with Nippon Zelos 7 Reg, 4 iron - U505 with Project X HZRDUS Black Stiff Wedges: Vokey SM 9 - 50*, 60* Standard Wedge Shafts Wedge: Milled Grind 3 MG3 56* S200 shaft Putter: Studio Select Newport 1.5 Putter: Phantom X 5.5 Ball: Pro V1x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayton Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 You guys are funny. Arccos just SCREAMS at me - QUIT GETTING PENALTIES OFF THE TEE!!! Me - hold my beer. Hits it in the woods, losing a ball. DOH! But seriously, my 63* wedge hits the most GIR and is the 3rd most hit club in the bag. So that's important info. Also, off the tee I lose the most shots. I just bought a MGS favorite - the G410LST to try out. Can't wait until it arrives. I've never really got along with the M4 driver. Brian A, sirchunksalot, MaxEntropy and 5 others 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txgolfjunkie Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 @jlukes well it seems like we found out why you went with the 7-wood... You were just ahead of the curve. MattF, edingc, Brian A and 6 others 5 4 Quote Cobra Connect 5 Competitor - Team Chad King Radspeed 10.5* w/ Hzrdus RDX Blue 60 6.5 tipped 1/2" - Peacoat/Red King Radspeed Big Tour 3 Wood w/ Hzrdus RDX Blue 70 6.5 Tipped 1/2" King Radspeed Tour 5 Wood w/ Motore X F1 70 X Flex King Utility 4 21* w/ Tensei Pro White 100 X Flex King Tour MIM Copper Irons 5-G w/ AMT White X100 Onyx King MIM Black Wedges 55* & 60* w/ AMT White X100 Onyx Spider SR Pro V1x Left Dash Lefty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightsofnii Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Me: bombs drive. 7i approach shot, chunks it. Arccos: you should have taken one more club! Look how much you're leaving short!! Me: But I ch... Arccos: 6i next time! please! for crying out loud! next time: Me: bombs drive. 7i approach shot. eh, maybe I try the 6, it's just about a perfect 7. Me: Chunks it. Arccos: you should have used the 5i!!!!! You just keep leaving it short! reads stats: "you're losing strokes because of distance off the tee" edingc, Nunfa0, sirchunksalot and 5 others 8 Quote RADspeed 10.5, Evenflow Riptide CB 6.0s Bio Cell 3/4w, PXV 6.0s; AMP 3h 19deg Aldila RIP R. Bio Cell 4h 22.5deg PXV R. 2021/22 T200 5-7, T100 8-P (bent 1deg strong), LZ 5.5 CBX-2 50/11 ATV 56/16deg Impact No.3 Align putter Caddie for tracking. Pro V1X balls Previous forum tests: 2019: Golf Pride Tour Velvet Plus 4 grips, Lynx Black Cat 5-PW. 2020: LX5 Watch. 2021: Impact #3 Align putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxEntropy Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, knightsofnii said: Me: bombs drive. 7i approach shot, chunks it. Arccos: you should have taken one more club! Look how much you're leaving short!! Me: But I ch... Arccos: 6i next time! please! for crying out loud! next time: Me: bombs drive. 7i approach shot. eh, maybe I try the 6, it's just about a perfect 7. Me: Flushes 6i and flies the green by 20 yards into the woods reads stats: "you're losing strokes because of penalties" BOLD are the changes that would make it valid for me. MattF, Nunfa0, knightsofnii and 3 others 6 Quote Driver: Epic Speed 9* (set -1) MMT 70X 3W: Tour B JGR Recoil 760ES 7W: Epic Flash 19* TourAD (can't remember the exact model) 4H: Tour B JGR 23* Recoil 780ES 5-AW: Tour B JGR HF2 Modus3 Tour 105 54*, 58*: TAIII Black Putter: Scottsdale TR Senita Bag: BigMax Dri Active Lite Ball: TP5x or AVX (yellow) Pushcart: BigMax iQ+ Most Recent Test: Fit For Golf 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian A Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 53 minutes ago, knightsofnii said: Me: bombs drive. 7i approach shot, chunks it. Arccos: you should have taken one more club! Look how much you're leaving short!! Me: But I ch... Arccos: 6i next time! please! for crying out loud! next time: Me: bombs drive. 7i approach shot. eh, maybe I try the 6, it's just about a perfect 7. Me: Chunks it. Arccos: you should have used the 5i!!!!! You just keep leaving it short! reads stats: "you're losing strokes because of distance off the tee" Haha this is so true! It’s like every good drive is followed by a chunk! Glad I’m not the only one! MaxEntropy, sirchunksalot and MattF 3 Quote Driver: G425 9* Hzrdus Smoke Green Small batch 6.5 70g Fairway Wood: Cobra Radspeed Big 3 Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Hybrid: Cobra Aerojet 5 Wood Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Irons: T200 (4-AW) AMT Black Stiff Shafts Wedges: Tour Rack 56* 60* Putter: Scotty Cameron Golo 5 Right Handed Pittsburgh, PA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 4 hours ago, txgolfjunkie said: @jlukes well it seems like we found out why you went with the 7-wood... You were just ahead of the curve. #Trendsetter. I hope the tour players give me my due during their post round interviews. MaxEntropy, sirchunksalot, Nunfa0 and 1 other 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightsofnii Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 30 minutes ago, Brian A said: Haha this is so true! It’s like every good drive is followed by a chunk! Glad I’m not the only one! It's true... all of it... sirchunksalot, MaxEntropy and MattF 3 Quote RADspeed 10.5, Evenflow Riptide CB 6.0s Bio Cell 3/4w, PXV 6.0s; AMP 3h 19deg Aldila RIP R. Bio Cell 4h 22.5deg PXV R. 2021/22 T200 5-7, T100 8-P (bent 1deg strong), LZ 5.5 CBX-2 50/11 ATV 56/16deg Impact No.3 Align putter Caddie for tracking. Pro V1X balls Previous forum tests: 2019: Golf Pride Tour Velvet Plus 4 grips, Lynx Black Cat 5-PW. 2020: LX5 Watch. 2021: Impact #3 Align putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftyMatt89 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, knightsofnii said: It's true... all of it... The only caveat is you are comparing to a zero handicap. If you are around 15 maybe compare it to an10 handicap because I bet you’re very close to getting to positive or net zero strokes gained compared to a handicap close or goal of like a single digit 9nhandicap. MattF, Tyler86 and sirchunksalot 3 Quote Driver: TSR3 8 Ventus Red TR 8X Fairway: TSi2 16.5 Ventus Red TR 8X Hybrid: Sim 2 - 19 Hybrid Tensei Orange 90TX or Srixon ZX 2 Iron - ADDI 105X Irons: T200/T100S Black 4-AW - MMT 125TX Wedges: SM8 54.10S & 58.04T MMT 125TX (Soon to Test Toura Wedges with MMT 125TX) Putter: Lajosi DD201 Pro V1X Left Dash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightsofnii Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 1 minute ago, LeftyMatt89 said: The only caveat is you are comparing to a zero handicap. If you are around 15 maybe compare it to an10 handicap because I bet you’re very close to getting to positive or net zero strokes gained compared to a handicap close or goal of like a single digit 9nhandicap. Thanks! I literally just realized, seconds before you hit submit, that I can change it to say, a 14 or other handicap besides 0 or pro. MaxEntropy, cnosil, LeftyMatt89 and 2 others 5 Quote RADspeed 10.5, Evenflow Riptide CB 6.0s Bio Cell 3/4w, PXV 6.0s; AMP 3h 19deg Aldila RIP R. Bio Cell 4h 22.5deg PXV R. 2021/22 T200 5-7, T100 8-P (bent 1deg strong), LZ 5.5 CBX-2 50/11 ATV 56/16deg Impact No.3 Align putter Caddie for tracking. Pro V1X balls Previous forum tests: 2019: Golf Pride Tour Velvet Plus 4 grips, Lynx Black Cat 5-PW. 2020: LX5 Watch. 2021: Impact #3 Align putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayton Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 On 6/14/2021 at 8:03 PM, chisag said: ... We all have our own ideas on how to play our best or more accurately how to shoot our lowest scores. I am of the opinion that driving is the least important. Obviously really poor driving is an issue if you are in the woods, water or OB but if you hit the ball reasonably well off the tee missing your target by 33% but hit accurate irons you have a much better chance of scoring well than if you hit accurate drives and miss your iron shots by 33%. Aiming down the left side and ending up in the first cut on the right side probably won't hurt you much and you can even still birdie the hole. Aiming at the pin on the left side and missing into a deep bunker/thick green side rough on the right side can cost you 1 or more strokes. ... We have all hit a HUGE drive only to hit a bad approach shot and feel like we wasted our drive. OTOH hitting a poor tee shot that ends up 15 yds shorter than normal in the light rough or first cut can turn into a birdie with an accurate iron. Hitting the ball close to the hole with your irons is the easiest way to lower your score. He!! you can birdie from another fairway with a great iron shot while a great drive sets you up, but assures you of nothing. I am not saying driving it long and straight is irrelevant and pretty sure all my really low rounds came when I was driving it really well but it is the least important of the 3 elements to score as long as the other 2 elements are excellent. Hitting irons close, getting up and down from around the green/lagging long putts to tap in and finally driving. It is one of the reasons good players view par 5's as birdie holes. ... A poor drive on a par 5 can easily be overcome by a good layup and still birdied with a great approach shot. A great drive that is followed by a lay up in the rough, bunker, water or woods is much more difficult to overcome. Hitting a short iron approach into the lip of the bunker or short sided is another recipe for a bogie or worse. And of course a bad chip/pitch/putt can mean a double while an excellent chip/pitch/putt can mean birdie or at least save par. ... Personally I get the most satisfaction out of hitting an iron into tap in range, especially if it wasn't a perfect yardage. But like everyone, there is something that taps into my caveman instincts when I hit a huge drive and set myself up to reach a par 5 in 2. I get the long ball allure and by all means continue to improve your driving ability ... just spend much more time on your irons and your short game and watch your index drop. I hear you - it is satisfying to hit a nice approach shot. Especially with OB right, a cliff left with a very high uphill tee shot... But like you said, it's important to be in play - so there's two par 5s after that hole - where I hit 5w on one then just a 6 iron on the other and still made par one one of them and the other was a stupid stupid lipout... the iron play is what helped me to make par as driver is so difficult on those, especially on the second par 5 as it's sooooo narrow. MattF, Nunfa0 and sirchunksalot 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chisag Posted June 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 15, 2021 ... I would add a tee shot that just puts you in play is usually plenty. I was playing my best friend in Asheville NC quite a few years ago and he really struggled on the front 9 and had lost interest by the start of the back. I told him I would give him a stroke a hole and only use my 5 iron for every shot, including putting. After having little focus on the front shooting 3 over as I paid more attention to his game than mine, I shot 2 over on the back only using a 5 iron. ... For me, it was a very instructive round on many levels. After hitting 2 tee shots into the woods on the front I hit every fairway on the back with my 5 iron. I thought my way around the course more than I did on the front just hitting driver then figuring out what to do from there. I will admit I had several things in my favor, especially the yardage on this particular course setting up well for my 5 iron. The two par 5's set up nicely for three solid 5 irons and a few of the par 4's only needed a little less distance off the tee I accomplished by choking up, leaving me full 5 irons into greens. The two par 3's were a natural 5 iron on one hole and the shorter hole allowed me to run the ball on to the green after landing short with a knockdown shot. There was also some luck involved. ... But the biggest lesson I took form that round was how irrelevant the tee shot is as long as you are in play and have a shot at the green. I have no hesitation hitting my 4 iron off the tee. 175 from the fairway is better than 130 and a punch out from behind a tree every time. True, to play at the highest level you need all elements of the game to be at their best and that includes driving it far and straight so it is certainly something to strive for. But I firmly believe hitting your irons well should be the goal with most of your practice. LeftyMatt89, GolfSpy_BOS, sirchunksalot and 7 others 10 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... AutoFlex Dream 7 SF405 Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'Li Blue 70r Hybrids: G430 Hybrid 22*... Alta Hy70r Irons: P770 5-pw ... Steelfiber i80r TP UDi 4 ... Steelfiber i80r Wedges: MG3 46*/50*/54* MG4 58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Custom 5.1 (no alignment) 33" Ball: '24 TP5x/Maxfli Tour X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heavygolffeels Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 On 6/14/2021 at 11:03 AM, chisag said: ... We all have our own ideas on how to play our best or more accurately how to shoot our lowest scores. I am of the opinion that driving is the least important. Obviously really poor driving is an issue if you are in the woods, water or OB but if you hit the ball reasonably well off the tee missing your target by 33% but hit accurate irons you have a much better chance of scoring well than if you hit accurate drives and miss your iron shots by 33%. Aiming down the left side and ending up in the first cut on the right side probably won't hurt you much and you can even still birdie the hole. Aiming at the pin on the left side and missing into a deep bunker/thick green side rough on the right side can cost you 1 or more strokes. ... We have all hit a HUGE drive only to hit a bad approach shot and feel like we wasted our drive. OTOH hitting a poor tee shot that ends up 15 yds shorter than normal in the light rough or first cut can turn into a birdie with an accurate iron. Hitting the ball close to the hole with your irons is the easiest way to lower your score. He!! you can birdie from another fairway with a great iron shot while a great drive sets you up, but assures you of nothing. I am not saying driving it long and straight is irrelevant and pretty sure all my really low rounds came when I was driving it really well but it is the least important of the 3 elements to score as long as the other 2 elements are excellent. Hitting irons close, getting up and down from around the green/lagging long putts to tap in and finally driving. It is one of the reasons good players view par 5's as birdie holes. ... A poor drive on a par 5 can easily be overcome by a good layup and still birdied with a great approach shot. A great drive that is followed by a lay up in the rough, bunker, water or woods is much more difficult to overcome. Hitting a short iron approach into the lip of the bunker or short sided is another recipe for a bogie or worse. And of course a bad chip/pitch/putt can mean a double while an excellent chip/pitch/putt can mean birdie or at least save par. ... Personally I get the most satisfaction out of hitting an iron into tap in range, especially if it wasn't a perfect yardage. But like everyone, there is something that taps into my caveman instincts when I hit a huge drive and set myself up to reach a par 5 in 2. I get the long ball allure and by all means continue to improve your driving ability ... just spend much more time on your irons and your short game and watch your index drop. The other part of this is that poor iron players generally do not feel comfortable with a 4i, 5i, sometimes even a 6 iron. So there seems to be added importance to get within a certain distance to hit at least a 7 iron for the approach. Everytime you are left 160, 170, 180 out, the mantra becomes, "if I could only hit my driver 10, 20, 30 yards further, then I would be able to attack/birdie/par this hole." And that's what gets worked on. And its not just on the tee. You see guys hitting 3 wood off the deck from a bad lie from 310 out because they want that 8 iron in there hands instead of the 6 iron for the 3rd shot. And they top it, and end up making a mess of an easy par 5 that they hit a decent drive on. Classic deficiency leading to bad decision making. The reality is that if you are a poor 6 iron player, you are likely a poor 8 iron player as well, the loft is just masking it better. Put in the work to become proficient and confident in your 5, 6, 7 iron. They are true weapons on the course. As @chisag alluded to, a great iron shot can erase a bad drive, and a bad iron shot can erase a great drive. sirchunksalot, MattF, Nunfa0 and 1 other 4 Quote GARSEN GRIP TESTER Driver: PING G400 MAX, Ventus Blue 6x Woods: COBRA F6 Baffler AD DI 8S Hybrid: CALLAWAY Apex Pro, Ventus Blue 8s Irons: SRIXON ZX5 mk2 5-6, ZX7 mk2 7-PW, Modus 120x Wedges: EDEL 50 C grind, 54 V grind, CLEVELAND 60 RTX6 Low Putter: YES Abbie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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