What/How Did You Practice Today?

[Swood1994]

7 hours ago, chisag said:

 

... Sounds like you found someone that works for you! But I would warn everyone to be careful as it's easy to get information overload. My Southern guru told me before I started teaching "always give out infurmshun by tha teespoon, not tha shuvul". Too much information is just as bad as not enough. As the saying goes, ya gotta swing your swing. 

Agreed! But when all else fails sometime you gotta throw the book at it. I went through a swing change a couple years ago and it was a very dark time in my golf game. I remember watching countless videos and taking tips from everyone. Eventually I found what worked best by nit picking from all of it and making it into my own. Probably took longer than it should but as an analyst by day I like to look at the entire data set before I start chopping it up!

[GolfSpy_KFT]

45 minutes ago, Swood1994 said:

Felt like I was reading an autobiography with this haha. I have a steep AOA and usually hover between -1 and 0. I can control my spin rate to 2500-2800 but when I get lazy they sky rocket to 4K RPMs and my big push slice rears it’s ugly head. Keep grinding, looking forward to hearing about your results!

 

Thanks man! Yeah I can get crazy steep, I was getting like -4 and it went as far left as it did long it seemed! I know I can hit driver well, just by far the hardest club in the bag for me to hit consistently. Hoping to see some better on course results today!

[BobBC78]

I was able to squeeze in some practice at the NKGC range/practice green between rain drops. I the range worked mainly on driver, but also hit 7i and SW. On the practice green worked on chipping (putter, "C" wedge and SW to the same hole, then moved and did the same thing) and putting (Phil Kenyon's 100 ft. drill). 

[BallsLeon]

Practiced on the PuttOut and mat tonight at home. Trying to make 25 consecutive putts from 5ft. Took me about 40mins, lots of 5-6 make attempts and then a miss. My best streak before 25 was 12.

[Bang60]

4 hours ago, BallsLeon said:

Practiced on the PuttOut and mat tonight at home. Trying to make 25 consecutive putts from 5ft. Took me about 40mins, lots of 5-6 make attempts and then a miss. My best streak before 25 was 12.

The stairs off limits then yeah

[BallsLeon]

5 hours ago, Bang60 said:

The stairs off limits then yeah

Only briefly lol, packed it all up after

[saz0418]

I purchased a new oversize SuperStroke Grip, and regripped my putter.   I have been putting with a pistol/claw grip for the last 5 or 6 years, primarily.   But when I practice with a prayer grip, I feel like my feel, my line and my speed are all much better.   I think I am a better than average putter-- but always looking to improve.   

The new grip makes the roll off the putter very soft.  It feels pure.   I need to take it to a course and practice outside 20 feet.   But I think it will be a better combination.

Also,  I have been shunning my 7i for the last few rounds.   7i should be a stock 150 yard shot for me.   But I keep grabbing my 5h instead, and then hitting a small fade, or hitting a 3/4 punch, or some other manufactured shot.  I don't seem to have the confidence.  

It dawned on me today, "maybe you should just buy a 6h."   So, a used, Mizuno JPX Hi-Fli hybrid is on the way.   It's from, like, 2011/2012.   But, it was $70. A worthy test.   

I feel like the forgiveness of a hybrid will be a better option.   I can catch my mid-irons off the toe, and they go about 15 yards short.    Not a good plan.  

I will update on the experiment.   Oh, and I will keep working on the new putter grip and prayer grip.    

Edited June 28, 2023 by saz0418
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[RickyBobby_PR]

On 6/27/2023 at 7:52 AM, Jnoble89 said:

Thanks man! Yeah I can get crazy steep, I was getting like -4 and it went as far left as it did long it seemed! I know I can hit driver well, just by far the hardest club in the bag for me to hit consistently. Hoping to see some better on course results today!

We have to remember aoa isn’t as important as some other factors like dynamic loft, face angle and face to path.

There are extremes where it’s going to be detrimental and yes -4 is that as is +5.

Work on getting an neutral path and aoa, launch and spin take care of themselves. 

[GolfSpy_KFT]

37 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

We have to remember aoa isn’t as important as some other factors like dynamic loft, face angle and face to path.

There are extremes where it’s going to be detrimental and yes -4 is that as is +5.

Work on getting an neutral path and aoa, launch and spin take care of themselves. 

So I have a question on club path and path to face. For example, if my club path is let's say 4* right, and face to path is 5* left, do those kind of cancel each other out? Maybe that is a dumb question, and I know I want to be neutral and it is a process to get there.

[cnosil]

27 minutes ago, Jnoble89 said:

So I have a question on club path and path to face. For example, if my club path is let's say 4* right, and face to path is 5* left, do those kind of cancel each other out? Maybe that is a dumb question, and I know I want to be neutral and it is a process to get there.

I’d suggest reading the ball flight laws to understand the relationship.   A path that is 4* right means the ball will start to the gulf the target line.   Face to path being 5* left of the path means that the ball will curve back to the left.    Canceling one out is hard to say because you start to get into other ball/club factors like where you impact the ball on the face and gear effect and are you delivering the club toe up, down, or flat which impacts the spin axis.   
 

I don’t personally think you want to be neutral (0) because we aren’t perfect and hat would result in some being in to out and others out to in.   I think you should be within 3* on one side of neutral.   Based on information I have read face standard deviation is generally twice the path deviation.   So,I’d say goal is to ideally get deviation to 0.  

 

[RickyBobby_PR]

28 minutes ago, Jnoble89 said:

So I have a question on club path and path to face. For example, if my club path is let's say 4* right, and face to path is 5* left, do those kind of cancel each other out? Maybe that is a dumb question, and I know I want to be neutral and it is a process to get there.

Probably not going to cancel each other out. Face determines the starting direction, face to path is going to determine how much curvature of the ball.

yes we all strive for neutral but even the best don’t really get it. Optimal is 1-3° out to in or in out. The notion of the in to out being best isn’t true. There are good golfers that have an out to in swing

[tdroma98]

Good range time last night. Worked on balance & tempo.  Good Tempo helped with balance, especially with 3 wood off the deck.  Get too long in backswing causing to get out of whack. Patience!!
Then  retreated to the putting green did some chipping with lob and then focused on putting. Went back to the Scotty Cameron original specs with grip weight & blade putter weights, to work on feel & with feel of new putter grip. Went from Jumbo/oversized grip to midsize grip.  The feel is good. Overall, putting was ok, still needs work. Putting drills are working, so I'm on the right track. Just have to get alignment correct. Overthinking and too mechanical.  Just let it go!!!

[tmerick]

Some backyard short game - going until the grips fall off!

[GolfSpy_KFT]

9 minutes ago, cnosil said:

I’d suggest reading the ball flight laws to understand the relationship.   A path that is 4* right means the ball will start to the gulf the target line.   Face to path being 5* left of the path means that the ball will curve back to the left.    Canceling one out is hard to say because you start to get into other ball/club factors like where you impact the ball on the face and gear effect and are you delivering the club toe up, down, or flat which impacts the spin axis.   
 

I don’t personally think you want to be neutral (0) because we aren’t perfect and hat would result in some being in to out and others out to in.   I think you should be within 3* on one side of neutral.   Based on information I have read face standard deviation is generally twice the path deviation.   So,I’d say goal is to ideally get deviation to 0.  

 

 

4 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Probably not going to cancel each other out. Face determines the starting direction, face to path is going to determine how much curvature of the ball.

yes we all strive for neutral but even the best don’t really get it. Optimal is 1-3° out to in or in out. The notion of the in to out being best isn’t true. There are good golfers that have an out to in swing

Thanks, guys! So basically aiming to get it reduced and then get consistent. From the couple times I used that Garmin R10, I was mostly anywere from 4-8* on both of those factors consistently. Just going to keep trying to work on my swing in phases and trust the process that it'll eventually improve over time if I am diligent. I have seen positive results with working on my take away over the past week, so going to keep working on that feel for now and then move to something else once it feels automatic. Definitely noticed that I still had a tendency to get too handsy on some last night and the result was poor contact.

[cnosil]

7 minutes ago, Jnoble89 said:

 

Thanks, guys! So basically aiming to get it reduced and then get consistent. From the couple times I used that Garmin R10, I was mostly anywere from 4-8* on both of those factors consistently. Just going to keep trying to work on my swing in phases and trust the process that it'll eventually improve over time if I am diligent. I have seen positive results with working on my take away over the past week, so going to keep working on that feel for now and then move to something else once it feels automatic. Definitely noticed that I still had a tendency to get too handsy on some last night and the result was poor contact.

Keep up the practice!   For me the general backswing influences my path and I can keep it within a couple of degrees.  I have noticed I have a tendency to overswing and my hands keep going after the shoulders stop which creates impact location issues and face angle issues since my body is compensating to hit the ball.  My face angle can swing from 4* closed to 5* open which is a huge problem and a focus for me.   

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

With my overspeed trainer broken, started par 4 success speed training Monday.

Today was the second session. Racking up some good numbers. These are driver swings (10 each) then 3 min break 3x.

 

 

[GaryF]

1 hour ago, Jnoble89 said:

So I have a question on club path and path to face. For example, if my club path is let's say 4* right, and face to path is 5* left, do those kind of cancel each other out? Maybe that is a dumb question, and I know I want to be neutral and it is a process to get there.

My impression is that your path is to the left with an open club face.  If that was me I’d get a fade or worse. 

But i guess the caveat is that the path is (approaching) a continuous series of vectors and the open club face is at the instantaneous time of impact.  Did the club face start and stay open to the same degree, or did the hands/wrists begin to open prior to contraception or not.  Reading the resulting spin and trajectory will tell the rest of the story. 
 

 

Edited June 28, 2023 by GaryF

[cnosil]

3 minutes ago, GaryF said:

My impression is that your path is to the left with an open club face.  If that was me I’d get a fade or worse. 

In his example, the face is closed to the path by 1 degree which means start right curve left.     For the ball to curve right it has to be open to the club path

[GaryF]

1 hour ago, cnosil said:

In his example, the face is closed to the path by 1 degree which means start right curve left.     For the ball to curve right it has to be open to the club path

Yes, I read it wrong and had backwards. 

Edited June 28, 2023 by GaryF

[BobBC78]

Putting start line practice today. Started by stroking putts through a 5 cm gate one foot in front of the ball and kept hitting the left side of the gate. After checking my setup in a mirror and with a putting mirror I realized that I was standing lower and further from the ball than when my putter was fitted. Once I corrected setup, the putts started to roll easily between the sides of the gate. 

[cksurfdude]

Had a really good lesson today!

Learned a few almost ridiculously simple but important things that no other instructor had gone over with me before, including...

Ball position - was too far back.

Grip pressure - I'm RH'ed and the right hand .. and right side of the body .. were way too dominant in my swing.

Tempo - add a brief pause at the top of the backswing vs rushing down from the top .. the transition is key and make sure I do a sight pause to allow everything to sync up.

Then we worked on something that was completely new to me - what he called releasing the club head starting in the transition .. and it keys in on the lead (left, for me) shoulder..!

The goals being a better way to get the club face back to square at impact and to make more centered contact (and hopefully do all this good stuff more often!).

Looking forward to practicing all this and starting to achieve a better and more effective golf swing.

Work In Progress!!

[RickyBobby_PR]

17 minutes ago, cksurfdude said:

Then we worked on something that was completely new to me - what he called releasing the club head starting in the transition .. and it keys in on the lead (left, for me) shoulder..

The cast a in Monte’s ntc series, it’s what amg talks about in several videos, part of the planemate protocols from Martin chuck, just to name a few instructors that talk about this. 
 

Jack said you can’t release early enough. The key thing to remember is that you have to combine this with turn. If you don’t then it’s just casting the club which is bad

[Fred Mitchell]

Did an hour on the range with trackman. Distance not so good but descent and amount of rollout on irons looking better the more I practice. The 52 degree full face zipcore flies out about 75 on my "wedge" swing and if it spun any more I would have to worry about it running over my toes lol, I love that thing and a 56 is in the future. 1st time out with the fleabay Stealth H/L 3 wood and thats gonna  be a winner. The distance was consistent and I could actually work the ball a little bit with consistency. The 2 dollar garage store Titleist driver was a flop its going to need a grip before I can find out if its playable or not for me, I have a Ping 430 max at 10.5 , I am just flirting with using both on windy day in our scramble as the dang course is into the wind the wind at your back repeat lol and the Titleist is 9.5 and I would crank the 10.5 Ping to max loft. 1st time out with the fleabay 5DHY wasnt happy with consistency but was happy with with how it performed when hit correctly.  Ran out of time in an hour must have achieved regular status at the new place the owner said let them know at the counter and I am allowed to tack on 30 minutes instead of buying another hour.

[GaryF]

10 hours ago, cksurfdude said:

Had a really good lesson today!

Learned a few almost ridiculously simple but important things that no other instructor had gone over with me before, including...

Ball position - was too far back.

Grip pressure - I'm RH'ed and the right hand .. and right side of the body .. were way too dominant in my swing.

Tempo - add a brief pause at the top of the backswing vs rushing down from the top .. the transition is key and make sure I do a sight pause to allow everything to sync up.

Then we worked on something that was completely new to me - what he called releasing the club head starting in the transition .. and it keys in on the lead (left, for me) shoulder..!

The goals being a better way to get the club face back to square at impact and to make more centered contact (and hopefully do all this good stuff more often!).

Looking forward to practicing all this and starting to achieve a better and more effective golf swing.

Work In Progress!!

I’m right handed and some of my issues have been with that dominant side causing unwanted influence.  As a kid, I played some hockey and unbeknownst to me as a little kid, I played left-handed.  It was just how I learned and it felt comfortable. 

Awhile back, I stumbled on the video golf instructor that used a broom for teaching lag and comparing to making a hockey shot..  So one day I’m brooming our porch, so I think I’ll try it.  Ooops, I did it left handed.  I switched hands, and at first it felt incredibly unnatural.  Got me thinking….would we be better off learning the game with our non-dominant on the lead side?  

[RickyBobby_PR]

10 hours ago, Fred Mitchell said:

Did an hour on the range with trackman. Distance not so good but descent and amount of rollout on irons looking better the more I practice. The 52 degree full face zipcore flies out about 75 on my "wedge" swing and if it spun any more I would have to worry about it running over my toes lol, I love that thing and a 56 is in the future. 1st time out with the fleabay Stealth H/L 3 wood and thats gonna  be a winner. The distance was consistent and I could actually work the ball a little bit with consistency. The 2 dollar garage store Titleist driver was a flop its going to need a grip before I can find out if its playable or not for me, I have a Ping 430 max at 10.5 , I am just flirting with using both on windy day in our scramble as the dang course is into the wind the wind at your back repeat lol and the Titleist is 9.5 and I would crank the 10.5 Ping to max loft. 1st time out with the fleabay 5DHY wasnt happy with consistency but was happy with with how it performed when hit correctly.  Ran out of time in an hour must have achieved regular status at the new place the owner said let them know at the counter and I am allowed to tack on 30 minutes instead of buying another hour.

How much rollout are you getting with irons and why is it looking better?

What’s your descent angle? What about launch, spin, dynamic lofts, apex/peak height?

[cksurfdude]

11 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

The cast a in Monte’s ntc series, it’s what amg talks about in several videos, part of the planemate protocols from Martin chuck, just to name a few instructors that talk about this. 
 

Jack said you can’t release early enough. The key thing to remember is that you have to combine this with turn. If you don’t then it’s just casting the club which is bad

Thx for those references - not that I needed to "validate" the instructor / his instruction, but it is reassuring to know that he's in great company!

And he did also emphasize syncing with body turn .. it was actually pretty clear from my first few attempts to see how they need to be coordinated .. plus talked a little about how to try to self-correct when I see certain ball flight results.

Gotta re-watch NTC and def will be seeing this instructor again!!

[RickyBobby_PR]

2 minutes ago, cksurfdude said:

Thx for those references - not that I needed to "validate" the instructor / his instruction, but it is reassuring to know that he's in great company!

And he did also emphasize syncing with body turn .. it was actually pretty clear from my first few attempts to see how they need to be coordinated .. plus talked a little about how to try to self-correct when I see certain ball flight results.

Gotta re-watch NTC and def will be seeing this instructor again!!

Syncing the arms is critical. It’s one thing I suffer from and need to be aware of.

Having a way to self correct based on ball flight is good. I had two instructors that have me reminders of what to do based on what the ball was doing. It’s great way to keep the wheels from falling completely off on the course 

[cksurfdude]

1 hour ago, GaryF said:

Got me thinking….would we be better off learning the game with our non-dominant on the lead side?  

Interesting question!

There's always the case of Phil who reportedly is RHed but learned to swing standing in front of and mirroring his Dad.

I've been on the course with a few hockey players and while they were all good golfers you could see a tendency to do a slap shot at times.

Anyway, I'm thinking that *in combination with learning on your dominant side* that non-dominant swings could only help you develop better balance and symmetry in your, call it, "golf muscles" (example Super Speed training)..?

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

range day. No driver today. Small technique work with irons and then some differential and experimental practice. Also videoed for a lesson as a progress check. 
 

 

Chipping worked on an Adam young drill varying the face to a 20-25 yard target. Was fun practice. 
 

putting. Name of game was speed control. Did some ladder drills with goal to get inside certain boxes past the cup. Then did some eye closed putts to try and predict where the ball went. Also then varying long, short then inbetween them putts. Thinking of giving up on heads up putting for now to try and gain more consistency here. Will still use it to calibrate during practice swings as part of my pre shot routine. 
 

pitching area, could only do 35 yard shots as two other guys with 100 balls each were aiming at the farther targets. Varied height on pitches through face or position with both my 54 and 58. 
 

Overall a great practice session. 

[RichL85]

3 hours ago, GaryF said:

I’m right handed and some of my issues have been with that dominant side causing unwanted influence.  As a kid, I played some hockey and unbeknownst to me as a little kid, I played left-handed.  It was just how I learned and it felt comfortable. 

Awhile back, I stumbled on the video golf instructor that used a broom for teaching lag and comparing to making a hockey shot..  So one day I’m brooming our porch, so I think I’ll try it.  Ooops, I did it left handed.  I switched hands, and at first it felt incredibly unnatural.  Got me thinking….would we be better off learning the game with our non-dominant on the lead side?  

Is that question reversed? For a normal right-handed player the left side would be the lead side correct? On the other hand, my dominate side is my lead side. Opposite of Phil, I guess. I'm left-handed but golf right-handed. Only other thing I've ever done right-handed was that I was a switch hitter back when I played baseball. It seems to make for an interesting dynamic when it comes to feel. I legitimately don't have a solid sense of what my right side is doing most of the time, so any time I've had someone try to explain right arm positions, it's basically Latin to me. I just don't have a solid connection with things like right-wrist positions. As a result, my swing kind of grew out of a weird Frankenstein concept of a right-handed baseball swing and a left-handed two-handed backhand tennis swing. Not the ideal swing, but it is what I've got to work with. In my mind, the golf swing is practically 100% a pull motion from my left side and the right side is just along for the right. Obviously this isn't what's actually happening, but that's how my brain translates the motion. It would be interesting to see if the swing translates the same way if I were to swing left handed.