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$500 for a driver most don't bat an eye yet they o my use it 14 times a round at most. $150+ for a wedge or $300+ for a putter which are clubs used way more often and it's expensive.

 

If it works best it's worth the price

Okay I'm going on my soap box. And I'm really sorry if I come across as picky no on you.

 

Putter is important but ridiculously over rated. I particularly love the feet of putts made state because if you buy into that how many feet does your tee shot cover, in one swing????

 

It's a golf course, the shot that covers the most distance on that course is your tee shot - it is a hugely important shot - way more important than the tap in that could be made with any club in the bag but we decide to make with our putters.

 

So driver or tee ball is strategically the most important club/shot.

 

Putter might be next most important but it could also be wedges, if you are good enough with driver and wedges you diminish putters importance. Irons are more over rated than putter and hybrids/fairways are what they are - eBay is a great place to find them for the budget conscious.

 

 

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Okay I'm going on my soap box. And I'm really sorry if I come across as picky no on you.

 

Putter is important but ridiculously over rated. I particularly love the feet of putts made state because if you buy into that how many feet does your tee shot cover, in one swing????

 

It's a golf course, the shot that covers the most distance on that course is your tee shot - it is a hugely important shot - way more important than the tap in that could be made with any club in the bag but we decide to make with our putters.

 

So driver or tee ball is strategically the most important club/shot.

 

Putter might be next most important but it could also be wedges, if you are good enough with driver and wedges you diminish putters importance. Irons are more over rated than putter and hybrids/fairways are what they are - eBay is a great place to find them for the budget conscious.

 

 

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While I agree the driver is hugely important (my scores tend to go as my driver goes, but I've saved holes and rounds with wedges and putter) it's one stroke per swing the same way a putt is one stroke with every swing. We've been around the game for awhile and have seen long hitters not be able to do much else and end up with high scores and have seen the short knocker go low.

 

Golf is a sport that allows many different type of golfers to succeed and while distance off the tee makes the game easier it isn't the only way.

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While I agree the driver is hugely important (my scores tend to go as my driver goes, but I've saved holes and rounds with wedges and putter) it's one stroke per swing the same way a putt is one stroke with every swing. We've been around the game for awhile and have seen long hitters not be able to do much else and end up with high scores and have seen the short knocker go low.

 

Golf is a sport that allows many different type of golfers to succeed and while distance off the tee makes the game easier it isn't the only way.

 

Yes, rounds can be won or lost on the greens,  but distance off the tee is where players start to separate themselves from others.  This is what strokes gained statistics is all about.  Players that are longer off the tee generally have lower scores on holes than players that are shorter.  As you get closer to the hole it becomes more difficult to separate yourself from other players.  Put 2 players 3 feet from the hole and have them hole out 100 times.  how different will their scores be?   Take 2 players and put one 200 yards from the hole and one 100 yards from the hole out 100 times.  How different will these scores be?

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Drive for dough... Wedge it close, putt to keep pace.

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Yes, rounds can be won or lost on the greens, but distance off the tee is where players start to separate themselves from others. This is what strokes gained statistics is all about. Players that are longer off the tee generally have lower scores on holes than players that are shorter. As you get closer to the hole it becomes more difficult to separate yourself from other players. Put 2 players 3 feet from the hole and have them hole out 100 times. how different will their scores be? Take 2 players and put one 200 yards from the hole and one 100 yards from the hole out 100 times. How different will these scores be?

Again I don't disagree that length can be an advantage but with that especially with amateurs long doesn't equal low scores and short knocking doesn't mean one can't go low. Long with amateurs can also mean bigger misses.

 

Zach Johnson won The Masters without going for a single par 5 in two.

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Yes, rounds can be won or lost on the greens, but distance off the tee is where players start to separate themselves from others. This is what strokes gained statistics is all about. Players that are longer off the tee generally have lower scores on holes than players that are shorter. As you get closer to the hole it becomes more difficult to separate yourself from other players. Put 2 players 3 feet from the hole and have them hole out 100 times. how different will their scores be? Take 2 players and put one 200 yards from the hole and one 100 yards from the hole out 100 times. How different will these scores be?

I have been saying this for years but that is the simplest explanation and best illustration of the point that I have ever read. Thank you

 

@Rickybobby - just because Zach Johnson didn't go for a par five in two does not mean he doesn't hit the ball long. If he shows up at your club and no one recognizes him everyone is marveling at how long and straight he hits it. Man you should have seen this stud bomb the ball - you should have been here. He's just not long compared to the guys that he plays against.

 

It's like a pitcher who throws 90 in the big leagues. Ho hum-

 

Have you ever tried to hit a 90 mph fastball thrown by a live pitcher or worse been hit by one? It's fast - very few people throw the ball that fast.

 

Of course there are different ways to make a score but not at the highest level where distance is required. At our level I may compensate for my lack of distance by being very good in other categories by my Performance is capped at around scratch. That's a far cry from being a good competitive golfer.

 

 

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Again I don't disagree that length can be an advantage but with that especially with amateurs long doesn't equal low scores and short knocking doesn't mean one can't go low. Long with amateurs can also mean bigger misses.

 

Zach Johnson won The Masters without going for a single par 5 in two.

Dont disagree with anything you are saying. Short hitters can shoot low scores and win tournaments. Long hitters can shoot high scores. Length makes it easier to shoot low scores. 3 putting greens no matter how long you are will not enable you to score well. I think a better way to look at revkev's point is that length is a separator for equal handicap golfers when looking at scores over time.

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I have been saying this for years but that is the simplest explanation and best illustration of the point that I have ever read. Thank you

 

I know you have been saying this and while listening or reading something this type of example was provided. It kind of opened my eyes to what you have been saying. It really isn't about the ability to score low, it is about being able to separate yourself from other players of equal ability.

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I have been saying this for years but that is the simplest explanation and best illustration of the point that I have ever read. Thank you

 

@Rickybobby - just because Zach Johnson didn't go for a par five in two does not mean he doesn't hit the ball long. If he shows up at your club and no one recognizes him everyone is marveling at how long and straight he hits it. Man you should have seen this stud bomb the ball - you should have been here. He's just not long compared to the guys that he plays against.

 

It's like a pitcher who throws 90 in the big leagues. Ho hum-

 

Have you ever tried to hit a 90 mph fastball thrown by a live pitcher or worse been hit by one? It's fast - very few people throw the ball that fast.

 

Of course there are different ways to make a score but not at the highest level where distance is required. At our level I may compensate for my lack of distance by being very good in other categories by my Performance is capped at around scratch. That's a far cry from being a good competitive golfer.

 

 

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I think at most courses most amateur would be impressed with anyone who hits it 260+ off the tee. I think we agree that distance is a huge advantage and that golf allows many to play and score low regardless of how far they hit it, the shorter hitters just have to work harder. ZJ is 150 in driving distance on tour...unfortunately at 282(all drives) and 290 driving distance there's lots of courses he will be facing an uphill battle on, but his ball striking and wedge play are some of the best on tour imo.

 

I disagree that distance is required. It helps and makes it easier but if it wasn't all about distance then very week Tony Finau, Bubba, DJ, Rory and maybe 1-2 others would be the winners and no one else.

 

Regardless of all that a $200 wedge imo is no more expensive as a $500 driver. What is expensive to one isn't expensive to someone else. What I don't understand is why people across the internet complain about the price of one type of club and accept the price of another...buy what you like and can afford. Just like with release cycles from companies...why are options a bad thing. If something new doesn't perform better for you don't buy it, if you don't like the looks don't buy it. No one complains when a car company raises prices and that model is more expensive than a competitor or that luxury automobiles are bad for the car industry

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@RickyBobby we are in complete agreement about your last statement. 

 

Also in regards to distance it is a comparative thing - I know I opened a discussion about what would be long enough to play to  - it seemed like the consensus there was around 230 yards or 25 yards less than the average driving distance for a scratch golfer.

 

I think we could ask the same question about driving distance and the PGA tour.  What is long enough to make a go of it on tour.  I'd through 275 out as a starting point but already I wonder if that's long enough.  It's already 20 yards longer than the average scratch golfer BTW.

 

Back to the topic - wedges are important - I think I got us down the bunny trail further by positing that they were more important that irons and most people will drop over 1,000 on irons.  I would stick by that statement - for most people's games wedges are more important than irons - they will prove to be the bigger separator between players in your category - I think (I could be wrong - I don't have a stat sheet in front of me).  Regardless I also think that the person who introduced the notion that iron sets have reduced from 8 to 7 or even 6 clubs - the profit has to be made up elsewhere - so - wedges are now going to be priced at 199.99. 

 

It makes sense.

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@RickyBobby we are in complete agreement about your last statement.

 

Also in regards to distance it is a comparative thing - I know I opened a discussion about what would be long enough to play to - it seemed like the consensus there was around 230 yards or 25 yards less than the average driving distance for a scratch golfer.

 

I think we could ask the same question about driving distance and the PGA tour. What is long enough to make a go of it on tour. I'd through 275 out as a starting point but already I wonder if that's long enough. It's already 20 yards longer than the average scratch golfer BTW.

 

Back to the topic - wedges are important - I think I got us down the bunny trail further by positing that they were more important that irons and most people will drop over 1,000 on irons. I would stick by that statement - for most people's games wedges are more important than irons - they will prove to be the bigger separator between players in your category - I think (I could be wrong - I don't have a stat sheet in front of me). Regardless I also think that the person who introduced the notion that iron sets have reduced from 8 to 7 or even 6 clubs - the profit has to be made up elsewhere - so - wedges are now going to be priced at 199.99.

 

It makes sense.

Onboard with this post. Technology and set makeup definitely have an effect. “Jacked lofts” (said with sarcasm) are causing golfers to look at set makeup differently and where 2-3 wedges used to be the norm and it was the top end of the bag people needed to find clubs that were easier to hit than a 3,4 or in some cases a 5i with the larger more forgiving clubs with stronger lofts the bottom of th bag is where the gaps are starting to appear. It's definitejt something I'm looking at with the p790s in the bag.

 

While my first comment followed by your reply probably hit us down a side path it was good for discussion and looking at different mentalities/approaches to how to look at clubs and importance of each.

 

I do think for most amateurs especially those with limited time to practice and/or play increasing efficiency with shorter iron/wedge play could help lower scores.

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I use the term "recreational player" rather than "amateur" to describe us average players. 

 

The NCAA Champion is an amateur.

 

He/she gets free tuition, free room and board, free books and fees, plus laundry money--but the USGA regards him or her,  probably a +4,   as an "amateur."  We lose amateur status if we take a lousy car for making a hole in one in a Pro-Am...if we take a lot less, actually.

 

Amateurs are way over my head. I'm a recreational player.

 

And as a recreational player in a certain place in my life, I might spend some real money on a set of wedges. 

 

What I wouldn't do is spend five hundred on a 460cc titanium driver. Or even fifty bucks on one.

The only thing a 460cc driver gives me over a 13º strong fairway wood that's used as my driver is a lot more mis-hits.

 

I can play a normal golf swing with the fairway wood. With the fat ass driver, I have to tee the ball way up high and play it too far forward in my stance.

 

Those huge, cartoonish-looking things have to be good based on their popularity, but honestly, they're completely useless to me.

 

[As an aside, I use the term "jacked lofts" with no sarcasm whatsoever!]

 

This looks a little like a thread jacking.  I'm sorry.

 

 

 

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The NCAA Champion is an amateur.

 

He/she gets free tuition, free room and board, free books and fees, plus laundry money--but the USGA regards him or her,  probably a +4,   as an "amateur."  We lose amateur status if we take a lousy car for making a hole in one in a Pro-Am...if we take a lot less, actually.

 

Amateurs are way over my head. I'm a recreational player.

 

 

Don't forget the free clubs from PXG and all the golf balls (ProV1s) they want.  Gloves, shoes, clothes, (women), etc.  It ain't all bad being a college golfer.

 

And yeah, I was starting to wonder what all this had to do with a $200 wedge, but your discussion is a hell of a lot more interesting then prices on wedges.   :D

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@RevKev @CNosil and@RickyBobby  Good conversation above and instead of quoting all the posts, I'll  just add  two thoughts from last  night experience while it's fresh in my mind.

 

I equaled my lowest 9 hole league round of the year, 46.  I know not up to your guy's standards, but as an inconsistent 17 HC, it was pretty decent for me.   

 

I had been hitting the driver pretty well of late, not last night.   I had what I would call 2 good drives out of the 7 driving holes.  And again neither of them would be long by anyone's measure.  The rest of the night was spent recovering from said bad drives.   FTR on those two "good drives" I parred both holes.   In two completely different ways.

 

Hole 1, I completely hooked my approach shot from 170 out into some medium deep rough, 40 yards left of the green, about 1 foot from going into a hazard that would have certainly been double or triple bogey.   I pulled my favorite wedge (54 degree $149 SM7) and put it nice and soft to about 8 feet.  I then rolled in the putt (with my brand new $299 EXO #7) for par.   

 

The other good drive was due to a well struck 7 iron from about 145 to 10 feet.  The putt was a big left to right breaker that just missed.

 

So for the remaining 7 holes, I relied on a combo of the 50,54 and 58 degree wedges to get me in position to make par or bogey with the putter, and each time they did.  I had two three putts that werre just poor mental breakdowns, and three other solid putts made from  4 to 8 feet.

 

 

Last note.  We had a guy fill in our foursome who we didn't know.  At first I thought it was odd he was teeing his 3 wood pretty high and thought this will be interesting.    On the 2nd hole I noticed it wasn't a 3 wood it was a 25 year old Yonex driver, about the size of today's 3 woods. 

 

He proceeded to fly that 25 year old driver by each of us all night long, probably averaging 250'ish or so with it. 

 

 

So I don't know what all the babbling about these anecdotes above mean, but for me, I found it interesting that I had my "best" night of the year on a very average to less than average driving night.  

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Rob, just get a new driver, sounds like your wedges are good.

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Rob, just get a new driver, sounds like your wedges are good.

But I was just fit for this driver  :D   I have to admit those PING Forged wedges  have been catching my eye

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I'd say 200 is steep for an off the rack wedge and stock shaft.  If we're talking tour issue type of shaft or steelfiber, or top notch Px then of course it adds about 30 bucks onto the club as an upcharge.  I'm a fan of ping too.  I purposely have all ping stuff that people can see - aka bright white Ping DLX cart bag, ping woods, ping putter cover and ping wedges, I will say I'm not a huge fan of them.  I just won the Bridgestone giveaway and the wedges showed up moments ago.  They look amazing, feel great and we'll see how they perform.  It appears the going rate for wedges is about 149 but then 99 the following year when they're old news.  These new Bridgestones only cost 99 and they just got released.  Their forged.  They're shiny, look amazing too so I'd have to tip my hat that way instead of the ben hogans.  I tried the older model of the hogans and hated the v groove bs.  Sounds great on paper but chunk skull, chunk skull, etc.  So the grind is everything.  I've realized that back when I bought Scratch wedges.  That type of custom grind for the type of swinger you are is the best but hard to come by these days.  Vokey has good offerings and at 99 for last years model they're a steal.  Get SM6's now @ 99 or wait 7 months and get SM7's at 99.

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Sorry folks. I didn't mean I won a giveaway. I won the chance to review and keep a 3 wedge set of these beauties. They came today and already put in 1 1/2 hours around a practice hole. So 95 and in I've got probably 100 plus shots logged with proV's and other tour balls I had in my Golf bag. I just wanted to say I take golf seriously and testing equally serious.

I may have rubbed some the wrong way by saying I won them. Sorry didn't mean to offend.

 

I will test better than most because most guys with a low amount of posts are spending more time on the range and course taking pocket change vs too much time on the Internet posting thousands of comments.

 

 

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Sorry folks. I didn't mean I won a giveaway. I won the chance to review and keep a 3 wedge set of these beauties. They came today and already put in 1 1/2 hours around a practice hole. So 95 and in I've got probably 100 plus shots logged with proV's and other tour balls I had in my Golf bag. I just wanted to say I take golf seriously and testing equally serious.

I may have rubbed some the wrong way by saying I won them. Sorry didn't mean to offend.

 

I will test better than most because most guys with a low amount of posts are spending more time on the range and course taking pocket change vs too much time on the Internet posting thousands of comments.

 

 

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It's all good Ben. There are hundreds of applications in each testing thread where it's obvious the people who aren't regular members of the forum are just after free clubs and view it as a giveaway.

 

 

But I'll tell you what's really cool. Is the large amount of forum members who haven't done a review but yet read all the reviews and comment on how much they appreciate the work that went into doing that review--and it is a lot of work-- as anybody who has done a review will tell you.

 

We're glad your excited and definitely reach out to any of the mods or Shankster as he's done of the more extensive reviews, if you have any questions.

 

 

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