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Am I crazy? I like Reed! I’m not usually one for the outlier but I do like the underdogs. All this conjecture about him as a person still has me puzzled about its validity.

Regardless, the guy can flat out play. I like this pick.


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7 hours ago, JonathanWJones said:

Why would reed make it over Rickie? Makes no sense. Hopefully reed doesn’t make the flight.


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Patrick is playing well. Also possible Rickie who recently got married isn’t going to play much between now and the presidents cup and told tiger not to pick him

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Although Tiger has never been a huge help in any of these team events, this is the perfect event for Tiger to Pick himself. I mean he has to right?? The US team almost universally wins this event. If it was the Ryder Cup it would be a different story. Way more pressure, way more at stake at the Ryder Cup. I am not a fan of Reed, I think he is a cancer and probably the most hated PGA pro by both fans and other tour players. That being said, you cannot pick Fowler who has almost been non existent since about mid year. 

If the international team somehow wins this, That could be really bad. 

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The International Team won at Royal Melbourne in 1998, so that could be a motivator.  The internationals have a pretty good team and if the USA plays as crappy as they did in the Ryder Cup, the internationals could win.  I'm sure they are going into the match with a "what have we got to lose" attitude.

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14 hours ago, bens197 said:

Am I crazy? I like Reed! I’m not usually one for the outlier but I do like the underdogs. All this conjecture about him as a person still has me puzzled about its validity.

 

... This is from Golf Magazine and might clear up the reasons Reed is disliked by some. And this is all before his abrasive behavior towards others once he became a Pro:

Reed played one year of college golf at the University of Georgia before being dismissed from the team. In Shane Ryan’s book, Slaying the Tiger: A Year Inside the Ropes on the New PGA Tour, Ryan brings to light accusations of Reed cheating and stealing from teammates. Reed denied the accusations in a Golf Channel interview, saying he was dismissed for alcohol violations.

Blogger Stephanie Wei obtained a statement from Jason Payne, the assistant golf coach at Georgia during Reed’s year there.

“While getting to know Patrick through the recruiting process as a coach, a few character issues came to light, that we as coaches thought we could help Patrick with,” he said. “Once Patrick was on campus for a few months, it became clear that Patrick was not going to mesh with the make up of the team at that time, and he was dismissed from the team. There is no doubting the ability of Patrick as a golfer, it was Patrick as a person that we chose not to associate with. The story that has been reported by Shane Ryan is an accurate account of his college career at UGA—including the suspicions held by his former teammates.”

Reed transferred to his hometown Augusta State, but the smoke never fully cleared. Wie reported other instances of suspected cheating and a rift with teammates.

 

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2 hours ago, chisag said:

 

... This is from Golf Magazine and might clear up the reasons Reed is disliked by some. And this is all before his abrasive behavior towards others once he became a Pro:

Reed played one year of college golf at the University of Georgia before being dismissed from the team. In Shane Ryan’s book, Slaying the Tiger: A Year Inside the Ropes on the New PGA Tour, Ryan brings to light accusations of Reed cheating and stealing from teammates. Reed denied the accusations in a Golf Channel interview, saying he was dismissed for alcohol violations.

Blogger Stephanie Wei obtained a statement from Jason Payne, the assistant golf coach at Georgia during Reed’s year there.

“While getting to know Patrick through the recruiting process as a coach, a few character issues came to light, that we as coaches thought we could help Patrick with,” he said. “Once Patrick was on campus for a few months, it became clear that Patrick was not going to mesh with the make up of the team at that time, and he was dismissed from the team. There is no doubting the ability of Patrick as a golfer, it was Patrick as a person that we chose not to associate with. The story that has been reported by Shane Ryan is an accurate account of his college career at UGA—including the suspicions held by his former teammates.”

Reed transferred to his hometown Augusta State, but the smoke never fully cleared. Wie reported other instances of suspected cheating and a rift with teammates.

 

I think Reed is a well documented jerk. The stories about not talking to his parents, having the removed from events, his cheating, his crying on the course about "Jordan Speith would have gotten a drop". The move back, and I am not going to hit a shot till you leave. I wanted to like this guy. but I cannot. 

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... This is from Golf Magazine and might clear up the reasons Reed is disliked by some. And this is all before his abrasive behavior towards others once he became a Pro:

 

Reed played one year of college golf at the University of Georgia before being dismissed from the team. In Shane Ryan’s book, Slaying the Tiger: A Year Inside the Ropes on the New PGA Tour, Ryan brings to light accusations of Reed cheating and stealing from teammates. Reed denied the accusations in a Golf Channel interview, saying he was dismissed for alcohol violations.

Blogger Stephanie Wei obtained a statement from Jason Payne, the assistant golf coach at Georgia during Reed’s year there.

“While getting to know Patrick through the recruiting process as a coach, a few character issues came to light, that we as coaches thought we could help Patrick with,” he said. “Once Patrick was on campus for a few months, it became clear that Patrick was not going to mesh with the make up of the team at that time, and he was dismissed from the team. There is no doubting the ability of Patrick as a golfer, it was Patrick as a person that we chose not to associate with. The story that has been reported by Shane Ryan is an accurate account of his college career at UGA—including the suspicions held by his former teammates.”

Reed transferred to his hometown Augusta State, but the smoke never fully cleared. Wie reported other instances of suspected cheating and a rift with teammates.

 

 

That’s too bad. I’ve read about the transfer to his hometown school and that there were growing pains.

 

I wanted to give Reed the benefit of the doubt and hope that he could acknowledge his shortcomings and learn. Fair to say the bridges are still smoldering.

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The stories about his relationship with his parents are incomplete and not really anyone's business but his.

While many of us have good relationships with our parents and family members, others do not and those people shouldn't be expected to maintain relationships with them just because they're their parents.

I think Reed is a well documented jerk. The stories about not talking to his parents, having the removed from events, his cheating, his crying on the course about "Jordan Speith would have gotten a drop". The move back, and I am not going to hit a shot till you leave. I wanted to like this guy. but I cannot. 


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You can never really know about these guys unless you actually know them personally - I watch for the golf. Reed is playing better golf than Fowler right now, I’d rather see Reed.


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50 minutes ago, revkev said:

You can never really know about these guys unless you actually know them personally - I watch for the golf. Reed is playing better golf than Fowler right now, I’d rather see Reed.


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Agree.  That's an aspect about social media that I really dislike.  The same folks who jump on the "trash Patrick wagon" might actually find him to be someone they'd really like to be friends with.  Way too much judgement from behind a keyboard/computer screen IMO.

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1 hour ago, revkev said:

You can never really know about these guys unless you actually know them personally - I watch for the golf. Reed is playing better golf than Fowler right now, I’d rather see Reed.


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Yup. Lots of rocks get thrown from glass houses on the web

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3 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Yup. Lots of rocks get thrown from glass houses on the web

You are correct. It is non of mine or anyone else’s business. I simple state it as part of the story as to why he is not well liked. There is more than enough other evidence that this is not even needed. You can look at the Ryder cup, the baseball game where none of the other pros wanted to sit by him. He is not well liked. That is fact. Still you are correct, his personal life and his relationships are his and his alone.

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1 hour ago, Quigleyd said:

You are correct. It is non of mine or anyone else’s business. I simple state it as part of the story as to why he is not well liked. There is more than enough other evidence that this is not even needed. You can look at the Ryder cup, the baseball game where none of the other pros wanted to sit by him. He is not well liked. That is fact. Still you are correct, his personal life and his relationships are his and his alone.

 

... While I would agree personally, his personal life isn't any of my business, his personal life has spilled onto his professional life and as a celebrity it become part of public domain. Kinda like my thread about traffic accidents and so many just have to look, Reed has put himself in that position. I choose to ignore and keep moving but others want to see the accident that is Reed. 

... My only concern about him is he represents the US in Ryder and Presidents Cup matches and constantly trash talks European players and worse their crowds, which are much more polite than Americans and appreciate good play but do not cheer bad play, something drunken Americans sadly do. I think he is a poor representative of this country (although in todays political climate maybe not) and for that reason I was hoping he would not be selected. 

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2 hours ago, chisag said:

 

... While I would agree personally, his personal life isn't any of my business, his personal life has spilled onto his professional life and as a celebrity it become part of public domain. Kinda like my thread about traffic accidents and so many just have to look, Reed has put himself in that position. I choose to ignore and keep moving but others want to see the accident that is Reed. 

... My only concern about him is he represents the US in Ryder and Presidents Cup matches and constantly trash talks European players and worse their crowds, which are much more polite than Americans and appreciate good play but do not cheer bad play, something drunken Americans sadly do. I think he is a poor representative of this country (although in todays political climate maybe not) and for that reason I was hoping he would not be selected. 

Reed is the the type of guy that tends to thrive on ryder cup and presidents cup events. He wears his emotions on his sleeve and he plays a role. His back and forth with rory is one of the best moments of the Ryder cup. His shhhh is almost iconic at this point. 
 

Some drunk idiot fans at events aren’t the majority of fans on either side of the pond and that’s a pretty broad brush you are using.

some don’t like the brash, outspoken type and that’s ok but to say he is a bad representation of America is a big stretch. 

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On 11/8/2019 at 5:58 PM, FrogginBullfish said:

The stories about his relationship with his parents are incomplete and not really anyone's business but his.

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I'm just glad to see someone else post this.  Family issues are family issues and if you're not directly involved, it's best to keep your mouth shut.  Even still, it's best to keep your mouth shut because family issues are family issues and really aren't anyone else's business.

With that said, I like the Reed pick over Spieth or Fowler at the moment.  Maybe 2020 can be the year Jordan returns to form and Rickie starts playing well again, but they haven't yet.

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