Taylormade TP5

[Christof]

Good day Mygolfspy fans

I have tested many different balls in putting and chipping, and the TP5 came out best in feel/contact. My question is, if I have a different putter, could another ball have come out best in my test or is the TP5 really that good for putting and chipping? 

Christof

[cnosil]

7 minutes ago, Christof said:

Good day Mygolfspy fans

I have tested many different balls in putting and chipping, and the TP5 came out best in feel/contact. My question is, if I have a different putter, could another ball have come out best in my test or is the TP5 really that good for putting and chipping? 

Not sure what you are really asking.  Feel is subjective and contact is related to technique.   How did they perform, how did you test?  While you make like a particular feel, where you getting the desired check up and rollout on the short game shots?   When I have measure ball speed with putting, with an on center strike there doesn’t seem to be a noticeable difference based on ball construction.  You can change feel by changing ball or putter.   
 

If you want similar options, I’d look at t(e main MGS site and review ball lab for the various models to understand their compression ranking (feel influence) and the ball testing from last August where you can evaluate spin numbers to see what might perform similarly. 

[RickyBobby_PR]

15 minutes ago, Christof said:

Good day Mygolfspy fans

I have tested many different balls in putting and chipping, and the TP5 came out best in feel/contact. My question is, if I have a different putter, could another ball have come out best in my test or is the TP5 really that good for putting and chipping? 

Christof

It’s possible. Everyone is different in how they interpret feel to include many using the sound to equate to feel.

Also yes it’s possible a different putter could have resulted in a different choice. Heavier putter, insert vs milled, deep milled vs less milled face, mallet vs blade.

 

[bens197]

You're doing what many good players do in selecting a ball.

Start at the green and work backwards.  

I played TP5 for a season but replaced it this year with the Srixon Z Star XV.  Just depends on what your priorities are (feel, sound, spin, distance, price)

[Christof]

1 hour ago, cnosil said:

Not sure what you are really asking.  Feel is subjective and contact is related to technique.   How did they perform, how did you test?  While you make like a particular feel, where you getting the desired check up and rollout on the short game shots?   When I have measure ball speed with putting, with an on center strike there doesn’t seem to be a noticeable difference based on ball construction.  You can change feel by changing ball or putter.   
 

If you want similar options, I’d look at t(e main MGS site and review ball lab for the various models to understand their compression ranking (feel influence) and the ball testing from last August where you can evaluate spin numbers to see what might perform similarly. 

The test was actually quite simple, I had several balls, like Prov1 and chorme soft/ AD33/Z-star/Wilson/Inesis, some 20 different brands and some different models, the test was done on practical putting green at the club, I started putting at 1meter so by 6meter I had already made a selection, I did further low and high chips from 10-15meter on practical chipping grounds. Didn't test with a launch monitor, more by feel and distance and the TP5 always gave the best result. You reaction read every putter/model has different material and will give a different contact. I have been playing golf for less than 2 years and was wondering how the TP5 gave me the best result.

I am going to look at the MGS site and ball lab and take some time to understand it better.

Thank you for the response.
Christof

[Christof]

1 hour ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

It’s possible. Everyone is different in how they interpret feel to include many using the sound to equate to feel.

Also yes it’s possible a different putter could have resulted in a different choice. Heavier putter, insert vs milled, deep milled vs less milled face, mallet vs blade.

 

Feeling and sound came across best to me and also the result, I describe the sound as not too soft and not too hard, with the soft balls and the distance balls that did not work. The TP5 gave me the best result especially in putting, 2nd Prov1 and Chromo soft.

Yes didn't know that putter make/model made so much difference, also wanted to know and the question.
Well understand or maybe I'm thinking too far about it, for example Taylermade makes balls that best match their clubs or vice versa or I'm seeing this all wrong.

Greetings
Christof

[cnosil]

33 minutes ago, Christof said:

The test was actually quite simple, I had several balls, like Prov1 and chorme soft/ AD33/Z-star/Wilson/Inesis, some 20 different brands and some different models, the test was done on practical putting green at the club, I started putting at 1meter so by 6meter I had already made a selection, I did further low and high chips from 10-15meter on practical chipping grounds. Didn't test with a launch monitor, more by feel and distance and the TP5 always gave the best result. You reaction read every putter/model has different material and will give a different contact. I have been playing golf for less than 2 years and was wondering how the TP5 gave me the best result.

I am going to look at the MGS site and ball lab and take some time to understand it better.

 

Not asking about launch monitor result.  Did you hit the TP5 closest to the hole more consistently from various lies and distances?  From a putting perspective other than a personal opinion all balls should perform pretty much the same when using the same putter.   From off the green, spin will be determiner in how the perform; TP5s are on the higher end of the spin chart; this was what MGS stated about the TP5:

 

TaylorMade TP5 - While we expected the TP5x would be a tick slower this time around given its lower compression, it was the spin of the TP5 that caught us by surprise. Across the board, it’s one of the spiniest balls within its compression range. Not only is it the higher spinning of TaylorMade’s two TP5 offerings, the spin profile is closer to what we find in many competitors’ “X” balls.

[RickyBobby_PR]

22 minutes ago, Christof said:

Feeling and sound came across best to me and also the result, I describe the sound as not too soft and not too hard, with the soft balls and the distance balls that did not work. The TP5 gave me the best result especially in putting, 2nd Prov1 and Chromo soft.

Yes didn't know that putter make/model made so much difference, also wanted to know and the question.
Well understand or maybe I'm thinking too far about it, for example Taylermade makes balls that best match their clubs or vice versa or I'm seeing this all wrong.

Greetings
Christof

For some people a ball and the club manufacturer being the same will give better results. Rory found this out when testing Callaway and TM, but that’s not the intent of the design otherwise the ball manufacturer is limiting their consumer base

[Christof]

56 minutes ago, cnosil said:

Not asking about launch monitor result.  Did you hit the TP5 closest to the hole more consistently from various lies and distances?  From a putting perspective other than a personal opinion all balls should perform pretty much the same when using the same putter.   From off the green, spin will be determiner in how the perform; TP5s are on the higher end of the spin chart; this was what MGS stated about the TP5:

 

TaylorMade TP5 - While we expected the TP5x would be a tick slower this time around given its lower compression, it was the spin of the TP5 that caught us by surprise. Across the board, it’s one of the spiniest balls within its compression range. Not only is it the higher spinning of TaylorMade’s two TP5 offerings, the spin profile is closer to what we find in many competitors’ “X” balls.

I mistranslated the launch monitor. Putting The TP5 was the constant either in the hole or a few centimeters off it, with the soft or very soft and distance balls there was a difference, the TP5 was always short at the hole. Tested at different distances and the putting green went up slightly, if I put 10-15 balls from other brand and went back to the TP5 was always short on the hole, sometimes I thought it's luck but the difference with the other balls was too big mostly past the hole or short, the proV1 and Chrome soft came close as well.

The TP5 at the chipping was the ball that stops rolling the fastest. I thought the ball went higher than with the other balls and then also stopped faster, also saw it had backspin but as with the PRO that the ball rolls back that was not part of it. That might depend on what kind of green you're playing and the golfer. I did see a difference between the TP5 and Prov1 and chrome soft in height and ball rolling.

Christof

[cnosil]

6 minutes ago, Christof said:

I mistranslated the launch monitor. Putting The TP5 was the constant either in the hole or a few centimeters off it, with the soft or very soft and distance balls there was a difference, the TP5 was always short at the hole. Tested at different distances and the putting green went up slightly, if I put 10-15 balls from other brand and went back to the TP5 was always short on the hole, sometimes I thought it's luck but the difference with the other balls was too big mostly past the hole or short, the proV1 and Chrome soft came close as well.

The TP5 at the chipping was the ball that stops rolling the fastest. I thought the ball went higher than with the other balls and then also stopped faster, also saw it had backspin but as with the PRO that the ball rolls back that was not part of it. That might depend on what kind of green you're playing and the golfer. I did see a difference between the TP5 and Prov1 and chrome soft in height and ball rolling.
 

Sounds like the tp5 is the ball that gives the performance you want so that that is the ball you should play 

[Christof]

52 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

For some people a ball and the club manufacturer being the same will give better results. Rory found this out when testing Callaway and TM, but that’s not the intent of the design otherwise the ball manufacturer is limiting their consumer base

Okay will partly have to do with feeling and sound and or being a fan of a certain brand, consumer base that is also true I hadn't thought of that yet.

thanks
Christof

[BIG STU]

2 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

For some people a ball and the club manufacturer being the same will give better results. Rory found this out when testing Callaway and TM, but that’s not the intent of the design otherwise the ball manufacturer is limiting their consumer base

One of the many different variables in golf. Different type clubs different SS AOA etc. I got a sample pack of the TP 5 when they first came out. They felt a little clicky off my blade irons and off the putter sorta like the Wilson Duo. Now when I play my early morning rounds like this AM I hit balls out of the shag bag which consists of various Srixons I have played and found balls. I found a TP5 in there that I suspect was one of the 2 in the sample pack. I used it on 18 and it hits well off the driver and 3 wood. It seemed a little clicky off my 8 iron approach but checked well. Definetely clicky to me off my putter which was my old non insert Scotty Santa Fe. It was even more clicky off the old Bulls Eye which I am a little more pop stroke with. But hey it went back in the shag bag to live another day. 

[RickyBobby_PR]

3 minutes ago, BIG STU said:

One of the many different variables in golf. Different type clubs different SS AOA etc. I got a sample pack of the TP 5 when they first came out. They felt a little clicky off my blade irons and off the putter sorta like the Wilson Duo. Now when I play my early morning rounds like this AM I hit balls out of the shag bag which consists of various Srixons I have played and found balls. I found a TP5 in there that I suspect was one of the 2 in the sample pack. I used it on 18 and it hits well off the driver and 3 wood. It seemed a little clicky off my 8 iron approach but checked well. Definetely clicky to me off my putter which was my old non insert Scotty Santa Fe. It was even more clicky off the old Bulls Eye which I am a little more pop stroke with. But hey it went back in the shag bag to live another day. 

I’ve been on and off about the tp5 and tp5x over the last 3 releases. The 5x seems to be more consistent for me on all shots. I’ve used them with Circe t m1, super rat and a miura putter. I haven’t noticed a huge difference in sounds between the two but they are both a little clickier than the 2019 prov1

[Christof]

2 hours ago, cnosil said:

Sounds like the tp5 is the ball that gives the performance you want so that that is the ball you should play 

yes but its expensive balls, i still play too bad i think, for playing with expensive balls, where i play are narrow courses and lots of trees and some water obstacles, a 13hole course on bad days can easily lose 6-7 balls , in my good days max1 to 2. i looked for alternatives in winter there is play along and see what that says, would like to play with 1 or 2 certain models, the difference is too big in all balls, i'm on 05.08.22 surgery on the right hip an arthroscopy is a month on crutches and 2 months of rehabilitation, maybe go back to work on 05.11.22, making a golf swing will not be immediately possible I'm afraid. I've heard what many do is start with their favorite ball and if it doesn't work they take another ball. I still have time. Also had a Word document made and busy I have a 120 balls and the TP5 came out the best, I made a list which can go, which doubts have fallen and my favorites and in order.

Christof

[Christof]

1 hour ago, BIG STU said:

One of the many different variables in golf. Different type clubs different SS AOA etc. I got a sample pack of the TP 5 when they first came out. They felt a little clicky off my blade irons and off the putter sorta like the Wilson Duo. Now when I play my early morning rounds like this AM I hit balls out of the shag bag which consists of various Srixons I have played and found balls. I found a TP5 in there that I suspect was one of the 2 in the sample pack. I used it on 18 and it hits well off the driver and 3 wood. It seemed a little clicky off my 8 iron approach but checked well. Definetely clicky to me off my putter which was my old non insert Scotty Santa Fe. It was even more clicky off the old Bulls Eye which I am a little more pop stroke with. But hey it went back in the shag bag to live another day. 

Hey BIG STU

Fine text, I also tested some Wilson, DUO OPTIX - Dou soft - DX2 soft - PX3 soft - 432 Ultra -Titanium, did not come close to TP5, only the TOUR VELOCITY FEEL I found interesting. Van Srxion AD333 and Z-star was also satisfied. If I read and translate the text correctly, you only play with srixon?

Christof

[HDTVMAN]

Good Grief!

[plano-jae]

As some have already pointed out, in my humble opinion, "performance"/"best" in "feel"/"contact" will depend on many variables.  Yes, I believe the performance will change somewhat when tested with different wedges/putters.  For wedges, there are different materials (i.e., hardness of the metal), grind, bounce, etc.  For putters, there are different material (i.e., inserts or metal), loft, balance (face or toe), weight, etc.  I also found that different golf balls perform differently (at least for me) at different temperatures.  For me, lower compression golf balls (e.g., ChromeSoft) during winter (40F degress) perform similar to higher compression golf balls (e.g., Pro V1X or TP5) during summer (100F degrees).  Another variable for me is the speed of the green (or type of grass).  I find that lower compression golf balls on faster greens perform similar to higher compression golf balls on slower greens.

[chisag]

... I'll start by saying I have never found a tour ball that performed any differently off my putter. Sure some are clicky and some are soft with those in-between but actual performance is virtually identical. That changes with chips and pitches as well as irons and then driver not so much. Christof at your level I would find some cheap Ionomer covers like the AD333 but your best bet would be the Kirklands. If you love the TP5 the Kirkland is similar but a little more spin although a bit shorter off the tee. And the cheapest urethane cover ball so losing them isn't as bad. As you get better, you can start experimenting with other urethane balls to see what best fits your game. 

[ChuckZ]

My question to you would be; if you like the TP5, you are getting the results you desire, you like the feel and performs well for you, whey second guess your results.  My mom always told me when taking a test go with your first answer.  With much respect and appreciation for you interest.  I got fitted for my Prov1 years ago by the experts from Titleist and never looked back.  Still playing it.  Fairways, greens and lots of birdies.   

 

[Christof]

1 hour ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

I’ve been on and off about the tp5 and tp5x over the last 3 releases. The 5x seems to be more consistent for me on all shots. I’ve used them with Circe t m1, super rat and a miura putter. I haven’t noticed a huge difference in sounds between the two but they are both a little clickier than the 2019 prov1

I don't own the TP5X, I do have the PROV1 and PROV1X for me a big difference, I found the prov1 had better results than with Prov1X. I thought the Prov1X sounded much softer than ProV1 especially with the putter. TP5 I found the most interesting ball than ProV1 and callaway Chrome soft, felt good to me were the outliers.

 

Christof

[chisag]

1 minute ago, ChuckZ said:

My question to you would be; if you like the TP5, you are getting the results you desire, you like the feel and performs well for you, whey second guess your results.  My mom always told me when taking a test go with your first answer.

 

... I think he addressed this earlier in this thread "yes but its (TP5) expensive balls, i still play too bad i think, for playing with expensive balls, where i play are narrow courses and lots of trees and some water obstacles, a 13hole course on bad days can easily lose 6-7 balls , in my good days max1 to 2." Losing a half dozen balls a round adds up quickly. 

[bobsarobot]

If you are losing that many balls a round go with Inesis and improve your consistency with keeping the ball in play.  I would suggest Maxfli Tour balls but I don't believe those are available in Europe.  

Go with Inesis for a season or two, you won't know the difference at this point in your development but your wallet will.

[Christof]

44 minutes ago, chisag said:

... I'll start by saying I have never found a tour ball that performed any differently off my putter. Sure some are clicky and some are soft with those in-between but actual performance is virtually identical. That changes with chips and pitches as well as irons and then driver not so much. Christof at your level I would find some cheap Ionomer covers like the AD333 but your best bet would be the Kirklands. If you love the TP5 the Kirkland is similar but a little more spin although a bit shorter off the tee. And c cheapest urethane cover ball so losing them isn't as bad. As you get better, you can start experimenting with other urethane balls to see what best fits your game. 

hey chisag
I bought a box of lake balls from Kirkland Performance + out of curiosity, I found them to be a bit on the soft side. As you say, I also find the TP5 too expensive, I would like to play with 1-2 fixed models in the future, if I don't lose balls more, the soft or the very soft and the disctance models I don't like, I have Exactly no feeling in I don't like. Maybe I had read in the previous texts, I stopped playing games at the beginning of July, the last 4 weeks only done chipping and putting, I had surgery on the right hip on 05.08.22 for an arthroscopy. I had to keep myself busy with something and therefore had developed a test myself. I had 110 golf balls at home, normally I wanted to test almost all of them during the season or until the operation, I did not pass. Outside the kirklands Vice Pro and Brigestone Tour B330RX and Z-star bought as lakeballs, the Vice PRO and Tour B330RX also interesting but not as a TP5. Going on crutches until 02.09.22 and maybe not going back to work until 05.11.22 and making a golf swing will not immediately be in it, I still have a lot of time to study golf balls and test in the winter.
Thanks for the reply.
Christof

[Handy]

A important thing is using same ball so you get use to its tendency and learn to adjust in how to stroke the putt. I use the OnCore Elixer  and can get it for $24 a dozen. I get straight shots and very little wind effects. 

[Dweed]

Yes, feeling is very subjective and does play as a variable to be considered. Just as emotional attitude impacts how we play. As for me,

what happened to Adams after the sale has left me with a nasty taste that does affect my playing. If I find a TP5 on the course, I look for the closest water body.  Just sayin. 

[tdroma98]

10 hours ago, Christof said:

Good day Mygolfspy fans

I have tested many different balls in putting and chipping, and the TP5 came out best in feel/contact. My question is, if I have a different putter, could another ball have come out best in my test or is the TP5 really that good for putting and chipping? 

Christof

Christof, I would say Yes to your question of feel with a different putter & especially in chipping. Just look at the "controversy" or at least the discussion when pro's play team events, such as Alternate Shot. Aside from pro's having ball contracts, some have stated the feel of the ball is different.  Personally, I can tell the difference with a ball, when putting with a Scotty vs a 2 Ball & the feel of a ball when chipping.  ProV1 & V1x have a very good feel when Putting, the feel is softer with a 2 Ball, feels good with Scotty Cameron as does both the TP5 balls.  I will not use a Callaway Supersoft, don't like the feel off the putter (either Scotty or 2 ball) & chipping ball, it's too hot. Even the AVX has a different feel off the putters & wedges when chipping. One ball I found of late to be favorable is Tour Response ball. While the feel is firmer than ProV & TP, Tour Response has a good feel to me, but can tell the difference. 

[Christof]

11 hours ago, ChuckZ said:

My question to you would be; if you like the TP5, you are getting the results you desire, you like the feel and performs well for you, whey second guess your results.  My mom always told me when taking a test go with your first answer.  With much respect and appreciation for you interest.  I got fitted for my Prov1 years ago by the experts from Titleist and never looked back.  Still playing it.  Fairways, greens and lots of birdies.   

 

What you say is true, it is an expensive ball, sometimes I still lose too many balls for my liking. Wanted to hear what other MyGolfSpy fans think about the TP5. Before I start playing with the TP5 balls I want to have a HC under 20. I play on a 13 hole club/course and in the future I don't want to lose any balls. 
on good days 1 to 2 balls lost on bad days 6-7 that is terrible.

Thanks for the response
Christof

[Christof]

12 hours ago, bobsarobot said:

If you are losing that many balls a round go with Inesis and improve your consistency with keeping the ball in play.  I would suggest Maxfli Tour balls but I don't believe those are available in Europe.  

Go with Inesis for a season or two, you won't know the difference at this point in your development but your wallet will.

Just now, Christof said:

12 hours ago, bobsarobot said:

If you are losing that many balls a round go with Inesis and improve your consistency with keeping the ball in play.  I would suggest Maxfli Tour balls but I don't believe those are available in Europe.  

Go with Inesis for a season or two, you won't know the difference at this point in your development but your wallet will.

Hey Bobsarobot

I have already found maxflix balls but I don't find them much, I have played some Inesis models, the Distance 100 I find too hard, the Soft 500/520 are very soft and Tour 900 are okay. I have about 110 balls at home from 15 different brands all found. I wanted to test during the season, the hip didn't want to anymore, the last 4-2 weeks I only did chipping and putting, I was doing well but my body decided differently, I did a put and chip ball test, I still wanted to do something and was tired of playing with many different balls, I would like to play with 1 or 2 fixed models in the future. I bought a box of lacrosse balls out of curiosity Kirkland performance + also Z-star because I like the AD333 and Vice Pro Mix to feel what it is and TourB330RX say they are son good balls. Let's see what it gives us. Inesis Tour 900 12 pieces white €30 at our place, is already a big difference if you want to buy well known brand and top model you pay like fast between 50 and 70€ and just seen AVX 77.44€ on the site of Decathlon.

Thanks for the reaction
Christof

[Christof]

11 hours ago, Handy said:

A important thing is using same ball so you get use to its tendency and learn to adjust in how to stroke the putt. I use the OnCore Elixer  and can get it for $24 a dozen. I get straight shots and very little wind effects. 

Hello Handy

Yes that is true, that is why in the future I want to play with 1 or fixed models. I have way too many balls at home now, that doesn't work. I have never heard of OnCore Elixer, I googled it, I only had the site from the brand itself and from golfmonthly golfdigest and mygolfspy, the ball will not have made it to Europe yet. If you pay 24$ and on the site they are 30$ and perform well then you are doing a good business. is it something like Kirkland or Vice?

Christof

[Christof]

10 hours ago, Dweed said:

Yes, feeling is very subjective and does play as a variable to be considered. Just as emotional attitude impacts how we play. As for me,

what happened to Adams after the sale has left me with a nasty taste that does affect my playing. If I find a TP5 on the course, I look for the closest water body.  Just sayin. 

I understand the first part of the message and it makes sense.

The second part is that you don't like the TP5. I have no idea who Adams is. Maybe I should not know either.

Christof