DeChambeau doesn't hit his 8 iron 200 yards

[Hook DeLoft]

He hits a 6 iron with 8 stamped on it 200 yards.  Still pretty impressive but not an 8 iron.  By the way, he hits a strong lofted 5 iron with 7 stamped on it.  It's more impressive that his club head speed allows him to hit a 30 degree club so high.

[NM01]

Who cares what’s stamped on a club and what its loft is or isn’t or what it equates to in some other model.  Not to mention the ability pros hav to deloft clubs helps add distance as well. 

All that matters is that the club goes the distance expected each time.

Bryon has superb speed and isn’t even swinging at his max speed. His 192 ball speed on driver is below what he’s capable of. When you have that speed you are going to be able to hit irons a long way too. 
 

kyle Berkshire is hitting 9i 220. Doesn’t have the full skillset to make tour life. Bryson has similar capabilities with distance 

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Edited June 16 by RickyBobby_PR

[Philpug]

I agree especially with one length shafts .... at most, it "identifies as an 8 Iron".  

[Hook DeLoft]

I wonder why he felt compelled to label his 5 iron as a 7 iron.  Obviously, it doesn’t really matter.  He can call them all wedges if he likes. 

[NM01]

Golf has no standards to include what lofts constitute what iron and even length no to mention different ways to measure length.

Gors to show how hung up amateurs get about lofts and numbers on irons. Only thing that matters is how far each one goes and does it go that consistently for the same shot

[RetiredBoomer]

1 hour ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Golf has no standards to include what lofts constitute what iron and even length no to mention different ways to measure length.

Gors to show how hung up amateurs get about lofts and numbers on irons. Only thing that matters is how far each one goes and does it go that consistently for the same shot

Stamped club numbers are indeed cosmetic, and obviously, how far we hit each one is what's important.  Nobody is really arguing about this.

Still, my first hand-me-down Wilson Staff five-iron was thirty-two degrees,
my current Titleist (T100) is twenty-seven degrees,

and another model (T350) by the same manufacturer as mine
has a twenty-three degree five iron.

Rather than screw around so cavalierly with club number / loft correlations,
the OEMs should either 
just stamp the lofts as Hogan once tried to do
or
go back to the old names like mashie and niblick. 

Modern young people just don't think this way, however.
These things just annoy old timers like myself.

I've come to accept that the OEMs are going to do what they're going to do.

 

 

 

[NM01]

2 minutes ago, RetiredBoomer said:

Stamped club numbers are indeed cosmetic, and obviously, how far we hit each one is what's important.  Nobody is really arguing about this.

You apparently haven’t read posts/threads about loft jacking 

[RetiredBoomer]

1 minute ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

You apparently haven’t read posts/threads about loft jacking 

I've heard all the arguments, RickyBobby, and I just don't care.
Subjective opinions are just that...subjective.
What I'd like is what I'd like, nothing more or less.
I'm not arguing that everybody else should like it.

The problem is this.  If they don't make a thirty-two degree five-iron anymore,
they're still making an iron in the general range of thirty-two degrees.  They're simply not choosing to stamp a "5" on the bottom of it.

That being the case, then, it's NOT a technical issue the way young people argue that it is.
It's something else. 

But again, it is what it is.  I'm in no position to start my own company,
so like everybody else,
I play with what's available.

 

[Haro]

Unfortunately he does  jacks up the lofts , I think its smart move  so it confused his competitors what loft he actually using  

Bryson also  using the new Avoda 3D printed  with budge technology  that was approved just before the Masters  

This is brand new concept in irons 

Suppose make the off  center hits on irons  fly straight 

He plays  single length irons  the 8 iron length is 6 iron length 

He got over size grips the size of  motorcycle handles 

This cat doesnt play equipment like anyone else 

forgot to mention he uses graphite shafts

He can stamp it XYZ for all I care, cannot really compare his equipment to the standard OEM manufacturers  

Edited June 17 by Haro

[NM01]

2 hours ago, Haro said:

Unfortunately he does  jacks up the lofts , I think its smart move  so it confused his competitors what loft he actually using  

His competition doesnt care what he’s using so they aren’t going to be confused that his 7i goes whatever distance compared to theirs. Its only weekend hacks and their wig that car what club someone hit and then compare it to theirs.

 

2 hours ago, Haro said:

Suppose make the off  center hits on irons  fly straight 

It does and that’s why when he was playing a shot between trees yesterday the commentators mentioned it would be hard to hit a slice with his irons and sure enough the ball had no curve and went long

2 hours ago, Haro said:

This cat doesnt play equipment like anyone else 

forgot to mention he uses graphite shafts

He can stamp it XYZ for all I care, cannot really compare his equipment to the standard OEM manufacturers  

He’s willing to go outside the box and do what he feels is needed for his game and to be successful. There are and have been others who use graphite. Finau used to and Snedeker still does. Here’s something crazy even in his prime Snedeker was using stiff flex steelfiber shafts.

His equipment can be compared to other OEMs because they all have to meet the same criteria.

[RoverRick]

12 hours ago, Hook DeLoft said:

I wonder why he felt compelled to label his 5 iron as a 7 iron.  Obviously, it doesn’t really matter.  He can call them all wedges if he likes.

He’s getting irons 3D printed especially for him. He has wedges 60,55,50,45 (I’ve heard him reference those by lofts.) I’ve also heard him call out a pitching wedge. He has said that he has the irons lofted to hit a particular flight window, and he hits the ball very high. But originally he was having standard Edel irons bent. Later Cobra and then Ping for a short while in testing. That’s the number that was on them after they were bent. 

After the PW he uses conventional nomenclature for his irons of 9,8,7,6,5. He has a 5w, 3w, driver. He’s said his 5 iron is 17°, but his driver is 7°.  He has to call his irons something. He could call the iron that longer than the PW, George, and the next one Sally. He could say, “Greg, give me the third from the left.” He could call them by lofts. Many of us remember how cumbersome the Hogan Ft Worth 15 nomenclature was. “Is my 37° longer than my 33° or shorter?” 

The bottom line is the ONLY thing conventional about his clubs is the nomenclature he uses. 

Edited June 17 by RoverRick

[revkev]

34 minutes ago, RoverRick said:

He’s getting irons 3D printed especially for him. He has wedges 60,55,50,45 (I’ve heard him reference those by lofts.) I’ve also heard him call out a pitching wedge. He has said that he has the irons lofted to hit a particular flight window, and he hits the ball very high. But originally he was having standard Edel irons bent. Later Cobra and then Ping for a short while in testing. That’s the number that was on them after they were bent. 

After the PW he uses conventional nomenclature for his irons of 9,8,7,6,5. He has a 5w, 3w, driver. He’s said his 5 iron is 17°, but his driver is 7°.  He has to call his irons something. He could call the iron that longer than the PW, George, and the next one Sally. He could say, “Greg, give me the third from the left.” He could call them by lofts. Many of us remember how cumbersome the Hogan Ft Worth 15 nomenclature was. “Is my 37° longer than my 33° or shorter?” 

The bottom line is the ONLY thing conventional about his clubs is the nomenclature he uses. 

I think there was a time when he did have names for his irons. There was also a time in the history of golf when all clubs had names - the remnant of that today are, driver, wedge, putter. Why don’t we number them? Oh wait I remember when driver was numbered 1 and 2 wood called spoon, then not, then yes again when it became a metal wood - now it’s a mini driver.

 

Point is it doesn’t matter as others have noted. And the other point is made in the post above - he games the lofts that de does for the same reason other pros do - because they hit his desired windows through created the necessary trajectory and spin rates - if you noticed he was stopping the ball better on the greens than others yesterday. 

[DiscipleofPenick]

It doesn't matter what he hits it. I personally don't care what the pros play. However, whenever Golf Digest or the commentators talk about stock yardages or what iron Pro X is using, it is disengenuous to the golfing public at large because they do not understand that Pro X's 8 iron is actually the loft and length of their 6 iron. These bodies don't tell the complete picture of what the pros are doing and what equipment they have. They are perfectly content to let everyone think the pros are 4 clubs less than them.

[NM01]

1 hour ago, RoverRick said:

He has said that he has the irons lofted to hit a particular flight window, and he hits the ball very high.

This is what manufactures done when they label an iron with whatever number. It’s to hit a launch window along with a spin number 

 

[NM01]

22 minutes ago, DiscipleofPenick said:

It doesn't matter what he hits it. I personally don't care what the pros play. However, whenever Golf Digest or the commentators talk about stock yardages or what iron Pro X is using, it is disengenuous to the golfing public at large because they do not understand that Pro X's 8 iron is actually the loft and length of their 6 iron. These bodies don't tell the complete picture of what the pros are doing and what equipment they have. They are perfectly content to let everyone think the pros are 4 clubs less than them.

The general golfing public has no idea about lofts on any iron. I spent almost 7 years doing fittings and working demo days. All the general public knows is names of brands and the model. They have no idea what the loft of their irons are. Most buy the same set makeup each time with the same label of flex on their shaft. They know how far their clubs go from a total distance standpoint and not a carry standpoint.

They know pros swing faster so even if all clubs had the same loft and number stamped on them the pros is going to hit it farther than the regular amateur. 
 

There’s nothing disingenuous about it, except to those who are hung up on loft and iron numbers and loft jacking. Not to mention pros aren’t swinging at full speed with their clubs so the distance they hit could very with the same club on different holes based on pin, lie, wind and where they want the ball. Pros have stock yardages for their clubs and then can dial back or add more based on what’s needed. 

[Michael Rapp]

I don't understand something; aren't clubs supposed to have certain lofts at certain iron numbers? Otherwise, it seems to me anyone could have any amount of loft they want on any Club. If that's true, then what's the point of iron numbers, just put the loft on the bottom of the club. 

[cnosil]

41 minutes ago, Michael Rapp said:

I don't understand something; aren't clubs supposed to have certain lofts at certain iron numbers? Otherwise, it seems to me anyone could have any amount of loft they want on any Club. If that's true, then what's the point of iron numbers, just put the loft on the bottom of the club. 

Answer to your first question is no.  There are basically no standards in golf.  Clubs come in different lofts, different lengths, different lie angles,  flex designations mean nothing, etc.   the numbers on the bottom are to enable to pull the appropriate club when you need to hit the ball a specific distance.   A player will potentially hit the same loft different distances based on its design.  As mentioned above Ben Hogan used to put the loft on their clubs and it wasn’t received well.   And yes,  a player can bend the clubs to any loft they want and when they dial in gaps and adjust the lofts that makes the loft numbers on the bottom of the clubs meaningless.   

[RoverRick]

45 minutes ago, Michael Rapp said:

I don't understand something; aren't clubs supposed to have certain lofts at certain iron numbers? Otherwise, it seems to me anyone could have any amount of loft they want on any Club. If that's true, then what's the point of iron numbers, just put the loft on the bottom of the club. 

No. Clubs aren’t supposed to have certain lofts for certain numbers. The point of the numbering system is to tell one from the other. 

Hogan Ft Worth 15’s printed the lofts on the bottom, and everyone hated it. 

Loft is but one element that determines the ball flight, and important one, but just part of the equation. 

[NM01]

3 minutes ago, RoverRick said:

Loft is but one element that determines the ball flight, and important one, but just part of the equation. 

Yep but dynamic loft is more important in that equation than static loft

[RetiredBoomer]

48 minutes ago, Michael Rapp said:

I don't understand something; aren't clubs supposed to have certain lofts at certain iron numbers? Otherwise, it seems to me anyone could have any amount of loft they want on any Club. If that's true, then what's the point of iron numbers, just put the loft on the bottom of the club. 

Brand new Titleist T400 five-iron, 20° loft.

Brand new Louisville Golf Tom Stewart one-iron, 20° loft.

The OEMs are basically tossing us all the finger.
I liked what Hogan tried to do a few a years back, just stamp the loft with no club number.

Or bring back the old names like "mashie" and "niblick."

The club numbers are meaningless now.
 

 

 

[NM01]

37 minutes ago, RetiredBoomer said:

Brand new Titleist T400 five-iron, 20° loft.

Brand new Louisville Golf Tom Stewart one-iron, 20° loft.

The OEMs are basically tossing us all the finger.
I liked what Hogan tried to do a few a years back, just stamp the loft with no club number.

Or bring back the old names like "mashie" and "niblick."

The club numbers are meaningless now.
 

 

 

They are not just tossing us the finger and this just adds to the silliness of the jacked loft debate you said you don’t care about and everything else in your previous post.

There is no standard or requirement for what loft equates to what number. Each manufacturer can label clubs what they want. What they do is based on the launch and spin they achieve with their design is what they label it.

Those who have actually paid attention to the design of the players distance, gi and sgi clubs underhand this and those who have ego issues or get bothered by playing partners claiming they hit thru 6i farther than their playing partners 6i are the ones who complain about jacked lofts and keep the silliness in the debate going.

As you mentioned in your previous post what you like is what you like and Cisco’s should care and that should apply to everyone regarding what others play and why they play it.

I don’t feel like digging for it but there is a video from several years ago with the T series release of a fitting by one of the master fitters at Titleist and he shows with numbers what they are trying to achieve with the design of the clubs. Feel free to look it up and see the explanation 

[GolfSpy_APH]

Okay I am going to rant here a little bit. 

It is an 8 iron - sure traditionalists will say it's the loft of a 6 or 7 iron from years gone by, but that is exactly it. The times have changed, clubs have evolved and yes he is in fact hitting his 8 iron 200 yards or whatever crazy number. He still has a 3,5,6,7,8,9,PW,GW,SW and LW in his bag. So no he doesn't have a 4 iron, but that is a decision he has made. Bottom line is his 8 iron is that, an 8 iron regardless of the loft. If we go by the logic of the OP then he really has a 1,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and PW. Which he doesn't. 

I really don't get why the loft police come out and raise their pitchforks on this. Clubs have evolved so has the technology and truly the stated lofts are only a fraction of what matters. 

Gapping matters, consistency matters and knowing your numbers matters. However the stated loft on a club, not really. Technology has changed the way we look at loft and spin and everything else making the loft numbers just that a loft number.

[Tokyo Bob]

What is the purpose of a number on the iron?  It refers to the distance and height you hit YOUR club relative to YOUR OTHER CLUBS.  You are saying MY 6 iron hits it further (and higher) than MY 7 iron.  You can put a loft number on it and it will serve the same purpose. It is silly for announcers to say, “Bryson hits AN 8 iron 200 yards”, because yes, his 8 iron isn’t like a STOCK off the shelf 8 iron in a lot of ways. So that is a pretty meaningless call. Even if they said Bryson hits his 34 degree lofted club 200 yards it’s not comparable to my 34 degree club in shaft length, shaft flex, face construction, the way he can deloft it, etc. 

But, many golfers feel this need to compare distance with clubs versus other golfers to fulfill some emotional need since they first started comparing shafts in adolescence.  
 

If golf talking heads want to tell me Bryson has HIS  8 iron in his hands, it’s fairly useless info, but probably better than having Brandel Chamblee droning on about what ever drivel he is spouting   They really need to put s shot click on that boy limiting his word count  

 

 

[NM01]

2 hours ago, Tokyo Bob said:

What is the purpose of a number on the iron?  It refers to the distance and height you hit YOUR club relative to YOUR OTHER CLUBS

No it’s a reference to what club one hits for whatever shot or distance they use. I have a set of MBs my 7i in that set doesn’t go the same height or distance as the 7i in my CBs which doesn’t go the same height or distance as the 7i In my players distance clubs when I take the full swing. But I know how far each one goes for a normal shot and also how far each one goes when I choke down 1/2” or when I take less than normal swing.

its just an identifier

2 hours ago, Tokyo Bob said:

It is silly for announcers to say, “Bryson hits AN 8 iron 200 yards”, because yes, his 8 iron isn’t like a STOCK off the shelf 8 iron in a lot of ways. So that is a pretty meaningless call. Even if they said Bryson hits his 34 degree lofted club 200 yards it’s not comparable to my 34 degree club in shaft length, shaft flex, face construction, the way he can deloft it, etc. 

just like my example above my clubs aren’t the same in length or loft and they go different distances.

The announcer is just stating a number for a golfers distance. Brysons 8i doesn’t go the same as Rory’s or Rickie Fowlers, or Scottie Scheffler or Xander Schauffle. Just like his driver didn’t go the same distance as those guys because he has more ball speed. None of what is said on tv is relative to anyone else’s clubs or distances. They don’t swing like most amateurs so even if their clubs were the exact same as yours he’s going to hit further than you and my by a long way.

2 hours ago, Tokyo Bob said:

If golf talking heads want to tell me Bryson has HIS  8 iron in his hands, it’s fairly useless info, but probably better than having Brandel Chamblee droning on about what ever drivel he is spouting   They really need to put s shot click on that boy limiting his word count  

It’s just interesting info the announcers are sharing to give a reference for the shot. I pay almost zero attention to the iron being used. The announcers could tell us what we number they wanted for how far a ball went, how much is left into the hole and nobody would know if they are lying. Trackman can be setup to juice the numbers so even those could be a lie if they wanted them to be

[Philpug]

These names are a relevent as the numbers on the clubs.

Club ... Nickname ... Reason

3 iron...  Gamma ... Third letter in Greek alphabet

5 iron ... Azalea ...  Favorite par 5 at Augusta

6 iron ... Juniper ... 6th hole at Augusta

7 iron ... Tin Cup ... Tin Cup's favorite club

8 iron ... 8-ball ... Enjoys playing eight-ball

9 iron ... Jackie ... 42" honoring Jackie Robinson

Pitching wedge ... Herman Keiser ... 46" - 1946 Masters Champion

Gap wedge ... Jimmy Demaret ... 50" - 1950 Masters Champion

Sand wedge ... Mr. Ward ... 55" - Harvie Ward (low amateur at 1955 U.S. Open)

Lob wedge ... King ... Honoring Arnold Palmer

[PhilM75072]

8 hours ago, revkev said:

they hit his desired windows through created the necessary trajectory and spin rates

It is all about this, not just the loft on the club. 

[RetiredBoomer]

1 hour ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

No it’s a reference to what club one hits for whatever shot or distance they use.

That may be true, but a long time ago, before many of our non-senior players played the game,  the number stamped on the bottom of an iron did in fact give at least a general idea of what the loft of the club was.

Other than being dramatically stronger than what was traditional at the dawn of the steel shaft era, todays club number / loft correlations are all over the place.  

As a kid, I was handed-down my uncle's 1954 Wilson Staff DynaPowered set, a premium club played by many of the era's most celebrated professional players.  These were the lofts:

2-iron:   20°
3-iron:   24°
4-iron:   28°
5-iron:   32°
6-iron:   36°
7-iron:   40°
8-iron:    44°
9-iron:    48°
PW:        52°
SW:        56°

There was no real reason that the OEMs had to stay with these standards.
Still, purely as a matter of personal taste, I wish that they did.   
2, 3, and 4 are essentially unused numbers now,
and we almost need a second bag to carry all of our wedges.

 

Edited June 17 by RetiredBoomer

[NM01]

1 hour ago, RetiredBoomer said:

That may be true, but a long time ago, before many of our non-senior players played the game,  the number stamped on the bottom of an iron did in fact give at least a general idea of what the loft of the club was.

Other than being dramatically stronger than what was traditional at the dawn of the steel shaft era, todays club number / loft correlations are all over the place.  

As a kid, I was handed-down my uncle's 1954 Wilson Staff DynaPowered set, a premium club played by many of the era's most celebrated professional players.  These were the lofts:

2-iron:   20°
3-iron:   24°
4-iron:   28°
5-iron:   32°
6-iron:   36°
7-iron:   40°
8-iron:    44°
9-iron:    48°
PW:        52°
SW:        56°

There was no real reason that the OEMs had to stay with these standards.
Still, purely as a matter of personal taste, I wish that they did.   
2, 3, and 4 are essentially unused numbers now,
and we almost need a second bag to carry all of our wedges.

 

The materials used today, the manufacturing process, the improved r&d along with the ability to measure things like launch, spin, peak height, descent angle to see what the ball does with certain designs are far an above the club design and club manufacturing of yesteryear. Things like vcog have an impact on that and not all irons have the same vcog based on design, weighing, etc.

just like back then golfers today use the range and on course to determine what their yardages are, those who have access to launch monitors can use them.

As I said I know what my distances are for each set I have in my possession for my normal swing, which I may not use in a round as pin location, green layout, weather influence the shot I’m trying to play into a green. As an example my 7i CB could be hit from 135 up to 165(maxed out swing)

[RetiredBoomer]

25 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

The materials used today, the manufacturing process, the improved r&d along with the ability to measure things like launch, spin, peak height, descent angle to see what the ball does with certain designs are far an above the club design and club manufacturing of yesteryear. Things like vcog have an impact on that and not all irons have the same vcog based on design, weighing, etc.

just like back then golfers today use the range and on course to determine what their yardages are, those who have access to launch monitors can use them.

As I said I know what my distances are for each set I have in my possession for my normal swing, which I may not use in a round as pin location, green layout, weather influence the shot I’m trying to play into a green. As an example my 7i CB could be hit from 135 up to 165(maxed out swing)

I don't argue with the advanced tech, Ricky.  I'm not suggesting that the clubs be made any differently than they're currently made.  The engineers surely know what they're doing.

They still make irons with approximately 32° of loft, however.
They're just not stamping a "5" on their soles.  
They correlate the club number according to something else...perhaps it's length...perhaps it's launch angle...something.  Maybe it's what marketing department suggests.

They could have continued to correlate the club numbers with the loft but chose not to.

 

 

Edited June 17 by RetiredBoomer

[GolfSpy_BNG]

Ok I’m gonna say this and then leave as this doesn’t strike me as going very far with conversation as another loft jacking thread. And I definitely don’t wanna go down that rabbit hole again lol
 

I read that with the large grips and upright lie angle and his one plane swing, Bryson does not hit the ball with as much shaft lean as other pros. With the shaft lean most pros use the are effectively hitting a 17* 5-iron if you will. Not perfectly matched but gives an idea. Bryson gets to the same effective loft at impact as others in a different way.   
 

I believe they talked about it during the open that his lead wrist is straighter than most at impact.