Most wanted player's irons

[revkev]

Alright since they were tested I figured I'd throw this one on here.  Not to comment about whether or not someone should be using them - you want them - go pay for them and stick them in your bag - they look great so why not.

 

I know that a couple of our testers also post on the forum so I'm hoping to hear from them.

 

I was very surprised at the spin rates on the 7 irons.  Perhaps I missed it but I couldn't find the handicap range of the testers nor their swing speeds.  Those types of spin rates with a seven would have me testing other shaft/head combos.  Honestly I'd like to be in the mid to high 5,000's at least with my 7 iron - in a dream world I'd want to be around 6,000 but I can't possibly get there with my swing.  When I went for a recent ball testing I was around 4800 with the 7 iron and the guy from Titleist made some equipment recommendations that got me the extra 500 rpm's of spin that I've need along with 6 yards of extra carry and about 3 yards of total distance.

 

Now I get better spin rates with my G30 7 - around 5,300 or so.  The greens at my club are rock hard 9 months out of the year - spin rates are huge.

 

Any thoughts or comments?

 

Also I do bag decidedly player's wedges - SCORs.  I love those things and have them up to PW.  So the short iron performance for this category matters a lot to me.  So thanks doing these tests. 

[cnosil]

Since I was one of the testers I'll post.more thoughts when I get home.

 

There were 20 testers with handicap ranges from +2 to 8. Driver speeds ranged from 90-120.

[revkev]

Perfect - heading to the Marlins/Brewers game in a bit - I'll look forward to reading your thoughts on the test. 

[null]

Looks like about a 83 mph club head speed for most clubs assuming around a 1.38 smash factor for a 7 iron.

 

Spin definitely seems a little on the low side across the board

[tommc23]

I need to read the results when I get home

 

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[PMookie]

Hmm. I didn't even pay attention to the spin numbers. I need to go back and look.

 

 

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[yungkory]

Alright since they were tested I figured I'd throw this one on here.  Not to comment about whether or not someone should be using them - you want them - go pay for them and stick them in your bag - they look great so why not.

 

I know that a couple of our testers also post on the forum so I'm hoping to hear from them.

 

I was very surprised at the spin rates on the 7 irons.  Perhaps I missed it but I couldn't find the handicap range of the testers nor their swing speeds.  Those types of spin rates with a seven would have me testing other shaft/head combos.  Honestly I'd like to be in the mid to high 5,000's at least with my 7 iron - in a dream world I'd want to be around 6,000 but I can't possibly get there with my swing.  When I went for a recent ball testing I was around 4800 with the 7 iron and the guy from Titleist made some equipment recommendations that got me the extra 500 rpm's of spin that I've need along with 6 yards of extra carry and about 3 yards of total distance.

 

Now I get better spin rates with my G30 7 - around 5,300 or so.  The greens at my club are rock hard 9 months out of the year - spin rates are huge.

 

Any thoughts or comments?

 

Also I do bag decidedly player's wedges - SCORs.  I love those things and have them up to PW.  So the short iron performance for this category matters a lot to me.  So thanks doing these tests. 

 

Do you know your descent angle? From what I've gathered from watching TxG videos, it's important to balance both out. So, while you might need the extra spin, if guys are coming in steeper than you, they might not require it?

 

Also, is it an average? It'd be cool to see the deviation numbers, I'm willing to be there might be some low spin testers in there that skew the average down, but that's just a guess.

 

All of that said, I WANT THEM SOOOO BAD. #mgsmademeamizunofanboy

[txgolfjunkie]

I'm curious as to the shafts they used for the test. If you have a TT DG in one head, a KBS Tour in another and KBS C Taper in another, the spin rates will vary. 

 

cnosil - were the shafts consistent or was it factory selections? 

[cnosil]

I'm curious as to the shafts they used for the test. If you have a TT DG in one head, a KBS Tour in another and KBS C Taper in another, the spin rates will vary.

 

cnosil - were the shafts consistent or was it factory selections?

They were what was sent in by the manufacturer. Wide variety and all different weights.

 

I think the spin rates will vary a little with the different shafts but nothing hugely significant. I would think head would have a bigger influence. I think dispersion would be the bigger variant with the shaft.

[Shankster]

I'm almost called it. I thought for sure it would the JPX Tours, but to claim the two top spots? That is just ridiculous.

 

I've hit all of the MP line up, and the winner I really didn't care for, but that's just me being me. The MMC was super I mean super forgiving, and I really liked that one, kind of wish they made a 2 & 3 iron in it.

 

I didn't really notice much of a difference between the SC and the MB. And that FliHi... ✈️

 

Hats off to Mizuno, I think they are making fine products. Can't wait for the Driver testing thread. I really like that blue. It's my favorite color.

[newballcoach]

I think it very interesting that when you look at the differences between drivers and irons, it seems like the irons have much bigger variances than the drivers do. Is the driver maxed out? Is everybody at the USGA limits? Is there more room to improve with irons?

[newballcoach]

I'm almost called it. I thought for sure it would the JPX Tours, but to claim the two top spots? That is just ridiculous.

 

I've hit all of the MP line up, and the winner I really didn't care for, but that's just me being me. The MMC was super I mean super forgiving, and I really liked that one, kind of wish they made a 2 & 3 iron in it.

 

I didn't really notice much of a difference between the SC and the MB. And that FliHi... ✈️

 

Hats off to Mizuno, I think they are making fine products. Can't wait for the Driver testing thread. I really like that blue. It's my favorite color.

 

Word on the street is we should up and running by next week!

[Shankster]

Word on the street is we should up and running by next week!

Can't wait!

[Undershooter]

They were what was sent in by the manufacturer. Wide variety and all different weights.

I think the spin rates will vary a little with the different shafts but nothing hugely significant. I would think head would have a bigger influence. I think dispersion would be the bigger variant with the shaft.

You'd be surprised. The last time I did an iron fitting, my spin dispersion was well over 1000 to possibly 1500 rpms between same flex shafts. This all with the same club head. And none of them were crazy lite or graphite shafts which could skew it to the spinnier side.

That said, the shaft matters a lot to me. I know to some it's basically a non factor.

[null]

I'm almost called it. I thought for sure it would the JPX Tours, but to claim the two top spots? That is just ridiculous.

 

I've hit all of the MP line up, and the winner I really didn't care for, but that's just me being me. The MMC was super I mean super forgiving, and I really liked that one, kind of wish they made a 2 & 3 iron in it.

 

I didn't really notice much of a difference between the SC and the MB. And that FliHi... ️

 

Hats off to Mizuno, I think they are making fine products. Can't wait for the Driver testing thread. I really like that blue. It's my favorite color.

I don't think the jpx tours were in the testing group this year. They were in the testing last year and finished 3rd, but finished first in accuracy.

[null]

I was surprised the Ping iblade wasn't in the testing group

[Shankster]

I was surprised the Ping iblade wasn't in the testing group

I didn't even notice it was missing. I'll have to go check again, not that I don't trust you, but to see what else I missed.

[cnosil]

As most everyone knows I am one of the Most Wanted Testers so I will do my best to answer any questions.   As most can tell the players irons weren't the muscle back irons that most people think of when they hear the term players irons.  These were all cavity backs that were generally smaller in size.  To be honest,  I probably wouldn't participate in the plasters iron test if they were cavity back;  I have tried to hit a couple they have at the labs and am not very proficient to make it worth testing. 

 

Irons tested from each set were the 5, 7 and PW and as I have already mentioned there was no consistency in the shafts.  Don't ask,  I don't know which irons had which shafts (generally it was the standard shaft from the manufacturer)    My approach to the testing is not to pay attention to the club when I am hitting but focus on making the best swing I can without being influenced by manufacturer or the looks. 

 

Someone made a comment about the bigger variances in irons.  I think this is because most drivers are adjustable and the staff did their best to optimize the drivers to our launch conditions which I think helped equalize everything.  Irons on the other hand had about 3 degrees of loft difference and are probably less forgiving that the drivers.  

 

Protocol was to hit 4 shots and then switch clubs. There were order for iron type (long, mid, wedge) was randomize and there were 2 sessions for each type.   The hole was set at the distance we identified as our typical iron distances.

 

Overall I personally couldn't really tell the difference between each of the clubs and they seemed equal, but if you dug into the results you could start to see how some worked better for my swing than others.  If I had to pick one that stood out for me from a perception of hitting well it would be the Edel irons.  I don't know which irons were the best for me,  I'll have to check and see if I can get that info.  

 

Yes,  spin rates do seem low,  but they were what was captured on the GC Quad.  

 

Not sure what everyone wants to know so ask away and I'll post responses.  

[cnosil]

I was surprised the Ping iblade wasn't in the testing group

 

Perhaps Ping didn't submit them.  I know everyone has specific clubs they want to see, but scheduling starts to become difficult.  6 sessions that last probably last 1-1.5 hours per tester for 20 testers and dealing with peoples personal schedules at the same time.  I know I was out of town for part of the testing period.  You also have to deal with peoples commitment levels.  I am always ready to go do the tests while others have to be called multiple times to come in and finish their testing.  

[Shankster]

Perhaps Ping didn't submit them. I know everyone has specific clubs they want to see, but scheduling starts to become difficult. 6 sessions that last probably last 1-1.5 hours per tester for 20 testers and dealing with peoples personal schedules at the same time. I know I was out of town for part of the testing period. You also have to deal with peoples commitment levels. I am always ready to go do the tests while others have to be called multiple times to come in and finish their testing.

Man, you testers have to be Hogan and Bubba Strong. That many golf swings. How's your shoulders?

 

That's a lot of work!!

[cnosil]

Man, you testers have to be Hogan and Bubba Strong. That many golf swings. How's your shoulders?

 

That's a lot of work!!

 

I definitely get my swings in during the testing season.  Basically goal is to get 10 good shots per club so were were between 100 shots per session depending on how many got dropped or club data wasn't captured plus warmup time.  For my I found that my swings got better as the testing progressed, probably because my tempo got better.   The bigger challenge is not looking at the ball flights and launch monitor data and trying to change your swing to fix the variability.  

[null]

I definitely get my swings in during the testing season. Basically goal is to get 10 good shots per club so were were between 100 shots per session depending on how many got dropped or club data wasn't captured plus warmup time. For my I found that my swings got better as the testing progressed, probably because my tempo got better. The bigger challenge is not looking at the ball flights and launch monitor data and trying to change your swing to fix the variability.

That last sentence is key.

 

I always thought it would be interesting to see what happens if a fitting/testing was done entirely blind where the screen was off and the golfer couldn't react to where the ball was going.

[Wedgie]

@cnosil: what is your favorite category of clubs to test? Driver, GI, SGI, etc...

 

 

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[JohnnyPenso]

I was surprised the Ping iblade wasn't in the testing group

From the comment section of the article:

 

This test is designed to be a NON-blade players irons test. The percentage of the golfing public that is at a skill level to warrant playing MB irons is so small that it would be reaching an extremely niche market of our readers.

In my honest opinion, amateur golfers shouldn't be even considering muscle back options.

 

[cnosil]

That last sentence is key.

 

I always thought it would be interesting to see what happens if a fitting/testing was done entirely blind where the screen was off and the golfer couldn't react to where the ball was going.

 

You would also have to cover the launch monitor and screens.  

 

@cnosil: what is your favorite category of clubs to test? Driver, GI, SGI, etc...

 

 

 

I am a putter junkie so it would have to be the putters.  

[Wedgie]

You would also have to cover the launch monitor and screens.

 

 

I am a putter junkie so it would have to be the putters.

Thanks, last question. In all the testing you have done is there one club you hit and said to yourself you've got to have it? If so what?

 

 

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[cnosil]

Thanks, last question. In all the testing you have done is there one club you hit and said to yourself you've got to have it? If so what?

 

 

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Ask all the questions you want.    Probably the closest will be the G400 Max.  I kept trying it during the driver session and by the end I was getting club speeds in the 110-111 range; my normal is 100-105 so I was definitely going at it 120%.  The testing tames the club ho in me so I am happy just testing everything,  not a lot of new clubs make it into my bag.   Some of the putters on the wall;  MGS' wall hangers ,  are pretty amazing one offs that I would love to have as well.  

[revkev]

Thanks csnoil - I'm still wondering a lot about those spin rates - you could never score at my club with those spin rates. The 5 irons seemed okay, wedges meh but passable although I'd expect a bit more from a group with those handicaps and that SS.

 

 

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[cnosil]

Thanks csnoil - I'm still wondering a lot about those spin rates - you could never score at my club with those spin rates. The 5 irons seemed okay, wedges meh but passable although I'd expect a bit more from a group with those handicaps and that SS.

 

 

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I agree with you on the spin rates. I just know they are what they are. I can't personally say they are right or wrong. Could be the ball? You are also averaging across 20 golfers. Throw a low spin player or two in the mix and the numbers will go down. I looked at the Snell/prov1 numbers and while different clubs the spins looks a little higher

 

Low 4000s with 6 vs. upper 4s with the 7.

9000ish with sw vs 7000ish with PW.

 

But From what I have read even the prov1 numbers look low. I always heard the first number of RPM should be close to the iron number. I know we can debate lofts and quest for distance, but I am just generalizing.

[Rtracymog]

I've hit all of the MP line up, and the winner I really didn't care for, but that's just me being me. The MMC was super I mean super forgiving, and I really liked that one, kind of wish they made a 2 & 3 iron in it.

 

 

Hats off to Mizuno, I think they are making fine products. Can't wait for the Driver testing thread. I really like that blue. It's my favorite color.

I'm with you here. I love the feel of the MMC and the blade, but the SC was just kind of “eh” for me.

 

 

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