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45 minutes ago, THEZIPR23 said:

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Thank you for repeatedly not telling me that. 🙂 

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Got in a round of gap testing today with my G700s and the Sterlings. Here are the results in carry distance only. Which is the G700 and which is the Sterling, and which would you pick?

Sterling Carry_Page_2.jpg

G700 Carry_Page_2.jpg

I did both sets without watching the screen at all, so not only was I not aiming for any particular distance, I wasn't adjusting direction based on previous swing results.

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Got in a round of gap testing today with my G700s and the Sterlings. Here are the results in carry distance only. Which is the G700 and which is the Sterling, and which would you pick?
380082494_SterlingCarry_Page_2.thumb.jpg.c72a4b0b1f4332eafb6c7b2996fd4b03.jpg
1656054805_G700Carry_Page_2.thumb.jpg.151c5c17b0e55a244c06c714f1e1ac89.jpg
I did both sets without watching the screen at all, so not only was I not aiming for any particular distance, I wasn't adjusting direction based on previous swing results.
How many shots with each club?

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How many shots with each club?

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5 with each, and it kept the best 4.


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I’ll guess the first picture is Sterling single length and I’d select that grouping over the Pings.


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I agree with Wedgie taking the 1st group; they're more consistent. But I'm struggling with which is the Sterling and which is the Ping. Just based on the lower consistency & higher shot dispersion, I'm guessing the 2nd group of irons are the Sterlings. Your regular clubs are probably more consistent until you've had some time with the Sterlings and I understand a good fitting is even more important to performance with one-length irons vs. conventional so they may not be fitted that well to you. I'm actually surprised that there isn't a much greater difference because of the reasons I'm already mentioned (little playing time, not fitted to you). Be interesting to learn which is which. Thanks for the test!

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OK, I went too long leaving the cliffhanger about which set was which. Takes a bit to write the analysis.

In the above post, the single-length Sterlings were the first charts, the G700s the second. In that first test, I think the Sterlings were the undisputed winner. Not only did they have better gapping, but the G700s displayed their pronounced hook tendency. Again, I purposefully did this test blind; I was not looking at the results, and so I was making no adjustments between swings to try to hit target.

For me, I didn't find the adjustment to the single-length look to be an issue. Yes, when you first grab the 5i or the PW, the loft does look odd on a 7i shaft. But seriously: I play the G700s; am I really in position to look at a club and dismiss it by its appearance? 🙂

I repeated the gap test one day after doing the first gap test. I'm going to discount the results of this one a bit more. The second day was last Sunday; I had finished three sermons/teaching times, and after having hit a lot of shots on Saturday, I was clearly tired and my strike was suffering. By the time I finished the two gap tests on Sunday, I was frustrated more than anything. Here's a short version of the results:

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In the second test, I did watch the results and make adjustments. This had a curious result: the G700s actually averaged 4 yards right of the target line. I think that's important. Blind tests have their place, but the fact that I can adjust my swing and hit target with a club also has to matter. I don't play blind on the course.

Even so, even in this second table, I think the gapping of the Sterlings is better than the G700s.

This past weekend, I also did a SkyTrak Skills Assessment with the two sets. In order to help even things out, I set it up to ask for shots from 110–190 yards in 10-yard increments. Doing it this way ensured that I would have in-between shots with both sets.

There's a little issue with the data here: while doing the Sterling test (which I did second), I hit a shank. Ultimately, I decided that shanks are a stupid way to evaluate a club (unless I had a pronounced tendency to shank one set and not the other). So I deleted those shots and rehit them. Unfortunately, I hadn't done the same with the G700s, and I had two shanks at the 140 distance which really inflated my score there.

But even with the shanks in the G700 data, the PINGs won this head-to-head battle:

The G700s:

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And the Sterlings:

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Even so, there are stats here that favor the Sterlings. Dispersion remains tighter with the single-length irons. The G700s have far more left-right variability from shot to shot, whereas the Sterlings in general keep that number in the single figures. And on average, the Sterlings finished closer to the hole—which is kinda the point, right?

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Thanks for the update.  When I played single length irons I felt like the biggest advantage was distance control.  I remember having a round with 11 birdie putts inside 10 feet.  I missed every single putt for what it's worth and I still shot like an 80.  I went all in and didn't have the club head speed to hit anything above the 6 iron.  If I did it all over again I'd go single length for LW - 6 and variable for everything else.  Keep it up....this is the year!

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Top row: 7 iron swing from July 2018 as I began my review of the G700 irons.

Bottom row: this morning, with a GW.

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I've got opinions, but tell me what you see.


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Your center mass is in a far better position; not sitting back you’re able to rotate far better along your axis. Nice work!


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Posted a swing on Twitter this afternoon and had a really helpful conversation there with @THEZIPR23 and @edingc. Thought I'd post it here as well for the benefit of the forum. Here was my initial post:

Ryan and Cody jumped in with some good thoughts:

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I think the feel/real distinction is one of the most important in golf learning. I was pretty convinced, though, that the feel of having passive hands was actually introducing real changes in my swing, so I set my phone up on a pew and took a quick video with the hickory I keep in my office. I wrote: "I definitely get your point, but in this case, I don't think it is just feel. These are terrible screengrabs, but the difference in the positions, I think, is meaningful."

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Ryan then made a further observation:

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Anyway, I thought this was all useful, and I appreciate @edingc and @THEZIPR23's input.

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Interesting thought. I think I agree with Cody in the feel vs real. But it certainly seems to get you in sync a little better... so maybe real after all?! Reminds me a little bit of the re-loading Viktor Hovland was doing with his driver.

 

For myself if I think anything about the hands at the top of the swing I come OTT. I need to feel the lower body start my downswing.

 

But hey if it works it works! Can’t wait till we can see some of your results out on the course.

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11 hours ago, B.Boston said:

For myself if I think anything about the hands at the top of the swing I come OTT. I need to feel the lower body start my downswing.

I like how different feels can be expressed different ways. One thing I can say about the "float loading" feel, is that sometimes I get a similar feeling from getting the lower body working correctly to start the downswing. The hands seem to "float" while this happens, and in reality they are just falling slightly as they are waiting to come down through on sequence. (Talking milliseconds here...)

Good stuff, as always, @GolfSpy MPR. @THEZIPR23 covered it nicely on Twitter, by the time I got back to that conversation he had already nailed the analysis!

 

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Opening day is getting closer! Michigan course are permitted to be open now, but our local course is still awaiting the final melt of the snow. Should be able to play sometime in the next week or so.

In the meantime, my full swing has been...frustrating. I currently have two swings:

  • One that I've done a lot of work on, staying connected, avoiding early extension, that avoids pitching the shaft steeply on the downswing. This one, according to SkyTrak, costs me between 15–30 yards per club (more distance lost on longer clubs).
  • A swing that I don't care about positions, where I just try to hit the ball hard. I am still currently about a club shorter than I was mid-season last year. I'm not yet sure if this is just rust, or age and a lack of working out this winter.

And it is not as though the second swing is spraying it all over the place. Instead, with that swing, I just had my single best SkyTrak Skills Assessment ever:

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I only had two bad distances: 75 and 90. The 75 was OK, not great, and then my fifth shot was a shank that finished 23 yards right of the hole. On the 90 yard shots, I had three that were really solid, but two that I slid the club a bit underneath. Otherwise, every other distance was in the low single digits. In fact, 7 out of 10 distances were a 2-cap or better. Looking back over previous Skills Assessments, it's my highest greens hit percentage and lowest dispersion numbers.

[For those keeping score at home, this was done with my G700s.]

In other parts of my game: I don't know when I've ever felt better about my putting. We'll have to see how it translates to the course, but I'm rolling the ball on my intended line at my intended speed better than I ever have before. I am strongly considering doing something dumb: after testing all my putters against each other and crowning my Indianapolis as my starting putter, I bought another putter.

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This Odyssey R Ball slant neck and I are getting along really well. I love the alignment aid. Mentally, my thought is to keep the rear ball chasing down my target line; this has done good things in keeping my from over-closing the face at impact and pulling putts (my typical fault). So there's at least a 50/50 chance that the Indy gets bumped for this to start the season. Stay tuned on that.

I'm pleased with my wedge work as of late. I'm going into the season with three wedges:

large.IMG_20200425_083024.jpg

[I don't count my PW as a wedge, because I don't use it for partial shots. It's a 10-iron to me.]

After doing a number of wedge matrices on SkyTrak, I'm looking at the following distances for the upcoming season:

image.png

Obviously, it doesn't work out that perfectly in real life, but I'm trying to use close numbers that I can actually remember on the course.

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That's a solid skills assessment!! Hopefully it equates to the course.

 

Have you had any issues with your sessions syncing to website? I have many missing sessions...

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10 minutes ago, THEZIPR23 said:

That's a solid skills assessment!! Hopefully it equates to the course.

 

Have you had any issues with your sessions syncing to website? I have many missing sessions...

Honestly, I've never really checked. I don't have an internet connection where I practice, and so I use my phone as a hotspot to login and validate as needed. Otherwise, the internet features are more of a hassle than a feature to me.

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13 minutes ago, THEZIPR23 said:

That's a solid skills assessment!! Hopefully it equates to the course.

 

Have you had any issues with your sessions syncing to website? I have many missing sessions...

I've had some issues.  Spent about an hour and a half the other day on a full bag gapping session.  Shut everything down and went upstairs to analyze the results and nothing was there.  Said screw it and went back and played 18.

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21 hours ago, GolfSpy MPR said:

Opening day is getting closer! Michigan course are permitted to be open now, but our local course is still awaiting the final melt of the snow. Should be able to play sometime in the next week or so.

In the meantime, my full swing has been...frustrating. I currently have two swings:

  • One that I've done a lot of work on, staying connected, avoiding early extension, that avoids pitching the shaft steeply on the downswing. This one, according to SkyTrak, costs me between 15–30 yards per club (more distance lost on longer clubs).
  • A swing that I don't care about positions, where I just try to hit the ball hard. I am still currently about a club shorter than I was mid-season last year. I'm not yet sure if this is just rust, or age and a lack of working out this winter.

And it is not as though the second swing is spraying it all over the place. Instead, with that swing, I just had my single best SkyTrak Skills Assessment ever:

image.png

I only had two bad distances: 75 and 90. The 75 was OK, not great, and then my fifth shot was a shank that finished 23 yards right of the hole. On the 90 yard shots, I had three that were really solid, but two that I slid the club a bit underneath. Otherwise, every other distance was in the low single digits. In fact, 7 out of 10 distances were a 2-cap or better. Looking back over previous Skills Assessments, it's my highest greens hit percentage and lowest dispersion numbers.

[For those keeping score at home, this was done with my G700s.]

In other parts of my game: I don't know when I've ever felt better about my putting. We'll have to see how it translates to the course, but I'm rolling the ball on my intended line at my intended speed better than I ever have before. I am strongly considering doing something dumb: after testing all my putters against each other and crowning my Indianapolis as my starting putter, I bought another putter.

image.png

This Odyssey R Ball slant neck and I are getting along really well. I love the alignment aid. Mentally, my thought is to keep the rear ball chasing down my target line; this has done good things in keeping my from over-closing the face at impact and pulling putts (my typical fault). So there's at least a 50/50 chance that the Indy gets bumped for this to start the season. Stay tuned on that.

I'm pleased with my wedge work as of late. I'm going into the season with three wedges:

large.IMG_20200425_083024.jpg

[I don't count my PW as a wedge, because I don't use it for partial shots. It's a 10-iron to me.]

After doing a number of wedge matrices on SkyTrak, I'm looking at the following distances for the upcoming season:

image.png

Obviously, it doesn't work out that perfectly in real life, but I'm trying to use close numbers that I can actually remember on the course.

@GolfSpy MPR I think it will be fascinating to see how all of this indoor work translates to real life. You're in a unique position being in the UP where you're play vs. practice is skewed more towards practice compared to the average golfer. I know for sure in a normal year, I play more than I practice.

I am looking forward to your real world results and firmly believe you'll be a testament to the quote from Ben Hogan: "The secret is in the dirt." (or in your case, the fake dirt)

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