fixyurdivot Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 18 minutes ago, poprocksncoke said: Someone modified the sign in the locker room I'm watching TGC coverage on this right now... kind of weird really. They have a live feed of players leaving the "players meeting" with Jay. I have to think the players feel really betrayed, none more so that McIlroy, and some ill feelings towards Jay will not go away too soon. It would not surprise me that Monahan goes away sooner than later. poprocksncoke and Thin2win 2 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Official Review) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thin2win Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 I'm not surprised that there was a merger in the end, that seemed like the most likely outcome going back 18 months. I am very surprised that that outcome has the PIF basically buying the PGA Tour, that is not what I would have ever thought was on the table. Jay was out of his element then, and he is out of his element now. Hard to decide if the PGA, CNN or Twitter is having a worse year for their bosses right now. You definitely feel for Rory and that group who were asked to champion the tour, turn down the big guaranteed LIV money and then have this happen this way. I guess the PIF called Jay and asked if he would rather keep going through the courts or take $4 Billion. The way that neither LIV or the PGA informed any of their players is crazy, i don't see how Greg(who probably was never told) or Jay keeps their roles coming out of this. I get the sportswashing, I get 9/11(I was in the military when it happened and deployed to Afghanistan as a result). My belief is sports washing occurs if you can do it without people knowing. The USA still competed in 2 Olympic events this century in China and 1 in Russia. That is as sports washing as it gets. The World Cup, F1 and the DP world tour all host events in these countries. It isn't right, I'm sure a quick poll asking if any of those places should host international events should be allowed and the short answer is going to be NO. Yet, NBC paid billions to get the rights to the Olympics, ESPN did the same for F1 and the World Cup. Every year when F1 goes to Saudi Arabia the drivers host boycotts and stage events to support women's right, this year having local female race car drivers take part in the event. If the Golfer that get involved with this stay outspoken and continue to raise the social awareness that only helps things change. But, the PGA got paid, the DP tour got paid, many players got paid, and purses will continue to go up. in the end, Billions erase many resistances. Keith J Garvin and satcomm302 2 Quote WITB: Driver: SIM2 Max 12° - Accra TZ6 M4 FW Wood: Gen5 0311 7w Fujikura Motore X F3 Irons: ZX7 PW-7i, ZX5 6i-5i Wedges: Zipcore 50°, 58° Putter: MySpider X Cart: Onewheel XR+ Ball: Z-Star Diamond/ Z-Star XV 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thin2win Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 12 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said: I'm watching TGC coverage on this right now... kind of weird really. They have a live feed of players leaving the "players meeting" with Jay. I have to think the players feel really betrayed, none more so that McIlroy, and some ill feelings towards Jay will not go away too soon. It would not surprise me that Monahan goes away sooner than later. 18 minutes ago, GaDawg said: He replaces Jay Monahan. they both have to be on the way out. GaDawg 1 Quote WITB: Driver: SIM2 Max 12° - Accra TZ6 M4 FW Wood: Gen5 0311 7w Fujikura Motore X F3 Irons: ZX7 PW-7i, ZX5 6i-5i Wedges: Zipcore 50°, 58° Putter: MySpider X Cart: Onewheel XR+ Ball: Z-Star Diamond/ Z-Star XV 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaDawg Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 32 minutes ago, daviddvm said: I watch comments by Brandel at lunch today on golf channel. He had plenty to say. He always has a lot to say, but nothing ever makes any sense. Quote Driver: TSI3 - 10*, Hzrdus Smoke 6.0 Stiff Driver: Qi10 - 10.5*, Hzrdus Smoke RDX 6.0 Stiff 3 Wood: Qi10 - 15*, Graphite Design Tour AD DJ5 Stiff 5 Wood: Qi10 - Ventus TR Reg Irons: 5 - PW T150, with Nippon Zelos 7 Reg, 4 iron - U505 with Project X HZRDUS Black Stiff Wedges: Vokey SM 9 - 50*, 60* Standard Wedge Shafts Wedge: Milled Grind 3 MG3 56* S200 shaft Putter: Studio Select Newport 1.5 Putter: Phantom X 5.5 Ball: Pro V1x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavinski91 Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 Can always count on Padraig to have a measured response. Quote Driver - Radspeed XB at 7.5°, Aldila Rogue Silver 70-S 3 Wood - Radspeed, Aldila Rogue Silver 70-S 5 Wood - Radspeed, Fujikura Motore X F3 6-S Utility - Pro 225 3i, Mitsubishi MMT 105S Irons - Pro 225 4-5, 223 6-PW, KBS $-Taper 120 Wedges - King Cobra Snakebite 52° & 58°, KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 S Putter - Stroke Lab Black Ten 35" Ball - Chrome Tour Powered by 2020 ExPutt Official Review | 2021 Cobra Connect Five Participant | 2023 SuperSpeed Official Review | 2024 Claw Glove Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardukes Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 1 hour ago, GaDawg said: How long will it take Brandel to get up on all their statistics and personalities? Brandel has not been heard from all afternoon on the Golf Channel while all other on air people have done interviews. I thought Richie Lerner was going to cry. No. He was on. Question is how does he continue to work in the professional golf industry? He's only going to comment on amateur golf? He suggested his employment is not connected to the Saudis. GaDawg 1 Quote Z565 or Launcher Lite :: M6 3&5 woods :: Srixon hybrids :: Cleveland 588 TT irons :: CBX wedges :: midsize grips w/no glove Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J7Hawkins Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 I have been on the fence but decided to share my thoughts... To be clear, I am no expert and have no more knowledge outside of what has been publicly posted, but in my work in Private Equity and before my current role I have worked with and seen a lot of Mergers & Acquisitions (M&A) so I'll share my thoughts on the business of the deal accordingly. To me, this is a sinking ship merger, similar to how Google and Apple buy small spinouts all day everyday. You have a young startup that has a solid product (LIV having more value in Assests - being the players) but is hemorrhaging cash at an unsustainable rate. Their leader is a political icon, which means his stature and reputation is too important to let the league fail, which it inevitably would. He (most likely) goes to the PGA and offers to sell LIV to them, to which they decline. He comes back with an offer to pay them the equivalent of 2-4 years worth of losses for LIV (hundreds of M$) plus all business assets (players and LIV Tour) for a small portion of the whole pie and a seat on the boar (possibly non-voting, but we will never know). This protects the leaders image, giving him the opportunity to spin it as a huge win against the Americans to those abroad/in Saudi. The PGA does the deal because they know that LIV will fail at some point and they will have to mop up then anyway and accept players back, so why not take cash now. Plus, cash on hand gives them the ability to reach agreement with DP World Tour and essentially solidify that they (via the newly named organization) will be in control of golf across the globe for the foreseeable future. I could be way off... just my purely business analysis of the situation. I can't wait to see how this unfolds and what that PGA decides to do with the LIV tour players. PeterHenric, Thin2win, paperclip and 2 others 5 Quote Driver: g410 (Mitsubishi Tensei Orange 65g) | Mini Driver: BRNR Mini Copper (Kai’Li Blue 70g) | 3 Wood: LTDx (Project X HZRDUS Smoke IM10) | Utility Iron: 699 v2 Utility (20° Project X HZRDUS Smoke Black 90g) | Irons: Ai Smoke 5-AW (Project X Denali Black) | Wedges (52, 56, 60): T22 Blue Ion (DG Tour Series S400) | Putter: Versa Double-Wide Blade (Stroke Lab shaft) | Ball: RB Tour X Baseball player turned golf addict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 1 hour ago, GaDawg said: Going to be some insane backpedaling going on over the next few months. Monahan is currently meeting with a lot of the players per the GC. Sounds like they are requesting for him to step down. Jeff Olgivy was interviewed after the meetings and he did say that a call for a change of leadership drew a standing ovation. Again, I would be even more surprised than I am now about the merger were Jay to stay on as commisioner. I just listened to Brendan's initial response on TGC. He did bring up one interesting point/thought; that is whether this merger now actually does create a monopoly in professional golf, and whether the merger (under US Law) will be approved. GaDawg 1 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Official Review) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardukes Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 If you were watching, you saw outside the meeting two security guards both wearing turbans. I know, I know, Saudis don't wear turbans but, it was still good for a giggle. Quote Z565 or Launcher Lite :: M6 3&5 woods :: Srixon hybrids :: Cleveland 588 TT irons :: CBX wedges :: midsize grips w/no glove Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEZIPR23 Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 So much to say, so little time... the good news is I have 3 tee times this week and none of this will have an effect on those. Thin2win, Daniel Carrier and fixyurdivot 2 1 Quote Stealth 2+ 9 (Diamana PD 60 S 45") Stealth 2+ 15 (Diamana PD 70 S 43") G425 19 (Raijin 2.0 85x) G425 22 (Raijin 2.0 85x) ZX7 5-9 (KBS C Taper S) Vokey SM9 45 10 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 49 08 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 55 08 M (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 59 04 T (KBS 610) Spider GT Splitback 34" ProV1 #23 Twitter @THEZIPR23 "One thing Golf has taught me, is that my muscles have no memory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardukes Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 5 minutes ago, J7Hawkins said: ... The PGA does the deal because they know that LIV will fail at some point and they will have to mop up then anyway and accept players back, so why not take cash now. Plus, cash on hand gives them the ability to reach agreement with DP World Tour and essentially solidify that they (via the newly named organization) will be in control of golf across the globe for the foreseeable future. I could be way off... just my purely business analysis of the situation. I can't wait to see how this unfolds and what that PGA decides to do with the LIV tour players. OR, PIF told them we're just going to out size you so you might as well sell now. PIF will shortly own professional golf world wide. Better hope the next target is not the NCAA. Quote Z565 or Launcher Lite :: M6 3&5 woods :: Srixon hybrids :: Cleveland 588 TT irons :: CBX wedges :: midsize grips w/no glove Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poprocksncoke Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 PeterHenric, Kanoito, MattWillGolf and 2 others 5 Quote SLDR 10.5 Fujikura Ventus Velocore+ Red 6S R11s Rip Phenom Apex Pro 16 Rivl 52 Black Rivl 58 Black EV 5.3 Duo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosox04 Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 21 minutes ago, J7Hawkins said: I have been on the fence but decided to share my thoughts... To be clear, I am no expert and have no more knowledge outside of what has been publicly posted, but in my work in Private Equity and before my current role I have worked with and seen a lot of Mergers & Acquisitions (M&A) so I'll share my thoughts on the business of the deal accordingly. To me, this is a sinking ship merger, similar to how Google and Apple buy small spinouts all day everyday. You have a young startup that has a solid product (LIV having more value in Assests - being the players) but is hemorrhaging cash at an unsustainable rate. Their leader is a political icon, which means his stature and reputation is too important to let the league fail, which it inevitably would. He (most likely) goes to the PGA and offers to sell LIV to them, to which they decline. He comes back with an offer to pay them the equivalent of 2-4 years worth of losses for LIV (hundreds of M$) plus all business assets (players and LIV Tour) for a small portion of the whole pie and a seat on the boar (possibly non-voting, but we will never know). This protects the leaders image, giving him the opportunity to spin it as a huge win against the Americans to those abroad/in Saudi. The PGA does the deal because they know that LIV will fail at some point and they will have to mop up then anyway and accept players back, so why not take cash now. Plus, cash on hand gives them the ability to reach agreement with DP World Tour and essentially solidify that they (via the newly named organization) will be in control of golf across the globe for the foreseeable future. I could be way off... just my purely business analysis of the situation. I can't wait to see how this unfolds and what that PGA decides to do with the LIV tour players. I don’t understand the statement about LIV failing, and the PGA Tour taking players back. The Tour had a pretty hard stance about never taking players back, and the failure of LIV would be beneficial for the Tour. Those players made their choice based on life changing money, and the PGA Tour owes them nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J7Hawkins Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 7 minutes ago, Bosox04 said: I don’t understand the statement about LIV failing, and the PGA Tour taking players back. The Tour had a pretty hard stance about never taking players back, and the failure of LIV would be beneficial for the Tour. Those players made their choice based on life changing money, and the PGA Tour owes them nothing. If LIV failed (they would’ve) then the PGA Tour would undoubtedly make a way for DJ, Brooks, and the gang to be back to playing on the tour. The PGA is a business, not a morality club. Preeway and silver & black 2 Quote Driver: g410 (Mitsubishi Tensei Orange 65g) | Mini Driver: BRNR Mini Copper (Kai’Li Blue 70g) | 3 Wood: LTDx (Project X HZRDUS Smoke IM10) | Utility Iron: 699 v2 Utility (20° Project X HZRDUS Smoke Black 90g) | Irons: Ai Smoke 5-AW (Project X Denali Black) | Wedges (52, 56, 60): T22 Blue Ion (DG Tour Series S400) | Putter: Versa Double-Wide Blade (Stroke Lab shaft) | Ball: RB Tour X Baseball player turned golf addict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 47 minutes ago, mardukes said: No. He was on. Question is how does he continue to work in the professional golf industry? He's only going to comment on amateur golf? He suggested his employment is not connected to the Saudis. He works for the golf channel not the Pga tour. He will be able to work in professional golf industry. Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosox04 Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 11 minutes ago, J7Hawkins said: If LIV failed (they would’ve) then the PGA Tour would undoubtedly make a way for DJ, Brooks, and the gang to be back to playing on the tour. The PGA is a business, not a morality club. Just about a year ago, Monahan said that no player that left could ever come back as long as he was Commissioner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thin2win Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bosox04 said: Just about a year ago, Monahan said that no player that left could ever come back as long as he was Commissioner. Which should be by the end of the week Preeway, fixyurdivot, gavinski91 and 4 others 2 5 Quote WITB: Driver: SIM2 Max 12° - Accra TZ6 M4 FW Wood: Gen5 0311 7w Fujikura Motore X F3 Irons: ZX7 PW-7i, ZX5 6i-5i Wedges: Zipcore 50°, 58° Putter: MySpider X Cart: Onewheel XR+ Ball: Z-Star Diamond/ Z-Star XV 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shapotomous Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 There may be an epidemic of broken ankles as people fall from their perch on the moral high ground. fixyurdivot, silver & black, Headhammer and 2 others 3 2 Quote Modern Bag: G410 LST 10.5*, Hzrdus Smoke RDX 6.5 Flex; 915F 3w, Diamana S+ 70 S flex; Snake Eyes 18* 2h, 23* 4h & 27* 5h; JPX 900 Forged 6 - PW, PX LZ 6.0; Edison 2.0 49*, 53*, 57* KBS Tour 120 S; Heppler Fetch; Ball - MTB-X; Bag - Jones MyGolfSpy Edition! Shot Scope H4, MG600 Rangefinder Classic Bag: Driver - Persimmon; 3w - Speed Slot; 5w - Tour Block; 3 - pw - Dynapower; sw - Ram Tom Watson; putter - bullseye standard or flange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richk9holes Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 Full Swing Season 2. gavinski91 and Daniel Carrier 2 Quote Finding a way to turn birdies into bogeys since 1992. #TeamChunks '23 Forum Tester: Elixir Golf Ball WITB:TS2 10.5° @ 11.25° Tensei blue AV 55 R graph•917f2 15° @ 16.5° Diamana blue x5ct dialed 70 R graph•Stealth 22° Ventus red 6 (non-velo) R graph• 699u 2i 17° tgi 70 R graph•24° Tour v 90 black pvd R steel•699 6i-PW Tour 110 black pvd R steel• SM8 50°/08° @ 52°/10° SM8 stock steel• Jaws Full Toe 56°/12° DG Spinner TI steel • c series DW 2.0 slant neck stock steel•Phantom 2 gps•Tour v3 rangefinder•Elixir golf ball• Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavinski91 Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 1 hour ago, mardukes said: If you were watching, you saw outside the meeting two security guards [.......] Second time I've seen you make this comment in this thread - seems a bit ignorant to knowingly repeat false stereotypes because you think it's funny. There's plenty of jokes to be made without bringing in a religious group that has zero connection to this entire thing. GolfSpy_BEN, MaxEntropy, Thin2win and 5 others 7 1 Quote Driver - Radspeed XB at 7.5°, Aldila Rogue Silver 70-S 3 Wood - Radspeed, Aldila Rogue Silver 70-S 5 Wood - Radspeed, Fujikura Motore X F3 6-S Utility - Pro 225 3i, Mitsubishi MMT 105S Irons - Pro 225 4-5, 223 6-PW, KBS $-Taper 120 Wedges - King Cobra Snakebite 52° & 58°, KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 S Putter - Stroke Lab Black Ten 35" Ball - Chrome Tour Powered by 2020 ExPutt Official Review | 2021 Cobra Connect Five Participant | 2023 SuperSpeed Official Review | 2024 Claw Glove Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardukes Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 47 minutes ago, gavinski91 said: Second time I've seen you make this comment in this thread - seems a bit ignorant to knowingly repeat false stereotypes because you think it's funny. There's plenty of jokes to be made without bringing in a religious group that has zero connection to this entire thing. My mistake but, what religious group? It's about our misconception. Quote Z565 or Launcher Lite :: M6 3&5 woods :: Srixon hybrids :: Cleveland 588 TT irons :: CBX wedges :: midsize grips w/no glove Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHenric Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 1 hour ago, gavinski91 said: Second time I've seen you make this comment in this thread - seems a bit ignorant to knowingly repeat false stereotypes because you think it's funny. There's plenty of jokes to be made without bringing in a religious group that has zero connection to this entire thing. What’s worse, it wasn’t even funny. GolfSpy_BEN 1 Quote Driver: Callaway Paradym @ 10.5º (Fujikura Ventus Red Velocore TR Stiff) 4 Wood: Titleist TSr 2 @ 14.5º Driving Iron: Ping iCrossover 17º (Project X HZRDUS Smoke Red RDX 80 Stiff) Irons: Taylormade Stealth 4-P (Fujikura Ventus Blue Graphite 7 Stiff) Wedges: Cleveland RTX 6 Zipcore 48º, 52º, 56º (TT Dynamic Gold Tour Issue) Putter: Odyssey AI One Jailbird Mini Ball: Titleist ProV1X, MaxFli Tour X 2023, MaxFli Tour 2023, Titleist AVX Tested: Tommy Armour Impact No. 3 (LINK) Tested: Titleist Prototype Balls (LINK) Tested: Stitch Golf SL2 Golf Bag (LINK) Unofficially Tested: Odyssey One Black (LINK) Shot Tracking App: Golf Pad GPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucky CC Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 I'm curious to know what exactly was said by Al-Rumayyan that made Jay Monahan trust him within 10 minutes of sitting down. I would assume it was something straight out of the Wreck It Ralph Bad-Anon meeting. Monahan, who has repeatedly said he would not speak to PIF representatives and pushed the Tour’s “legacy," told the Financial Times that he began to trust the PIF’s Yasir Al-Rumayyan “10 minutes after sitting down with him in Venice." JohnSmalls and poprocksncoke 2 Quote Driver: Stealth 2 10.5°, Kai'li Red X Fairway Wood: Rogue ST LS 16.5°, Mitsubishi TENSEI AV White 75 X 3 Hybrid: F9, LA Golf Tour AXS Red 85 X 4 Iron: Ping G410 Crossover 5-PW: JPX 919 Forged, KBS Tour Stiff Wedges: Jet Black 50°08F, 54°12D, 58°08M, True Temper Dynamic Gold Black S200 Putter: StrokeLab White Hot OG #7, Evnroll Tourtac grip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thin2win Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 10 minutes ago, Bucky CC said: I'm curious to know what exactly was said by Al-Rumayyan that made Jay Monahan trust him within 10 minutes of sitting down. I would assume it was something straight out of the Wreck It Ralph Bad-Anon meeting. Monahan, who has repeatedly said he would not speak to PIF representatives and pushed the Tour’s “legacy," told the Financial Times that he began to trust the PIF’s Yasir Al-Rumayyan “10 minutes after sitting down with him in Venice." JohnSmalls 1 Quote WITB: Driver: SIM2 Max 12° - Accra TZ6 M4 FW Wood: Gen5 0311 7w Fujikura Motore X F3 Irons: ZX7 PW-7i, ZX5 6i-5i Wedges: Zipcore 50°, 58° Putter: MySpider X Cart: Onewheel XR+ Ball: Z-Star Diamond/ Z-Star XV 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyjudge Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, Middler said: Name one LIV player that would have made more on the PGA Tour? Most if not all of them got signing bonuses unlike the PGA, and the LIV purses are still bigger. Most of the players on LIV were past their (winning) prime, injured or relative unknowns - that wouldn't have done much on the PGA Tour. Why do you think they'd jump ship for LIV, to make less? Some of them were honest enough to admit the same. I didn’t say, nor did I insinuate that anybody at all left for the LIV Tour to make less. What I did say is that not that many who jumped ship for LIV got huge signing bonuses….and it has been well-documented that there have been many conditions placed on when, how, and even IF, they will get those bonus dollars. As for whether many or “most” as you say, were past their (winning) primes, I don’t buy that except in a very small handful of instances such as Mickelson. And, as for the relative unknowns, those guys DIDN’T get huge (or even small to midsized) signing bonuses from LIV. One thing that you cannot deny is that a bunch of second and third-tier tour pros have benefited greatly following the departure of those PGA and DP World Tour pros for LIV, plus the enhanced purses that those tours have instituted in order to better compete and to stem the tide of defections. Edited June 7, 2023 by funkyjudge MattWillGolf, RickyBobby_PR and Thin2win 3 Quote DR - Callaway Paradym AI Smoke Max, PX Denali Black 6.0 4W - Titleist TSR2, Miyazaki Kusala Mizu 7S HYB - Paradym X 18*, HZRDUS Smoke Red 80S; Sub 70 949X 21*, same shaft 7W (if played) - Sub 70 849, ProForce Black 80-S Irons - Cobra Forged Tec X, KBS TGI S-flex Wedges - Edison 2.0, 47* (bent to 48*), 53* and 57* (bent to 58*), KBS TGI 100 Tour S Putter - Evnroll 10 (Outback) Ball - Maxfli Tour-X CG (2023) Bags - Vessel stand bags Cart - MotoCaddy M7 Remote (without the remote) Spoiler Lots of short game practice has made this a strength; now the driver is causing problems! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperclip Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 6 hours ago, J7Hawkins said: I have been on the fence but decided to share my thoughts... To be clear, I am no expert and have no more knowledge outside of what has been publicly posted, but in my work in Private Equity and before my current role I have worked with and seen a lot of Mergers & Acquisitions (M&A) so I'll share my thoughts on the business of the deal accordingly. To me, this is a sinking ship merger, similar to how Google and Apple buy small spinouts all day everyday. You have a young startup that has a solid product (LIV having more value in Assests - being the players) but is hemorrhaging cash at an unsustainable rate. Their leader is a political icon, which means his stature and reputation is too important to let the league fail, which it inevitably would. He (most likely) goes to the PGA and offers to sell LIV to them, to which they decline. He comes back with an offer to pay them the equivalent of 2-4 years worth of losses for LIV (hundreds of M$) plus all business assets (players and LIV Tour) for a small portion of the whole pie and a seat on the boar (possibly non-voting, but we will never know). This protects the leaders image, giving him the opportunity to spin it as a huge win against the Americans to those abroad/in Saudi. The PGA does the deal because they know that LIV will fail at some point and they will have to mop up then anyway and accept players back, so why not take cash now. Plus, cash on hand gives them the ability to reach agreement with DP World Tour and essentially solidify that they (via the newly named organization) will be in control of golf across the globe for the foreseeable future. I could be way off... just my purely business analysis of the situation. I can't wait to see how this unfolds and what that PGA decides to do with the LIV tour players. I don't think you are too far off in your ideas. Now it remains to be seen on whether LIV bought into the PGA Tour or if they essentially "bought" the PGA Tour. Either way, I think Monahan is toast. MattWillGolf 1 Quote My Weapons of Grass Destruction TS2 10.5* Hzrdus Smoke S 917F2 15* Diamana Blue 70 S 818H1 19* Evenflow Blue 85HY S 716 AP2 4-P AMT White S300 SM7 50.12 F bent 1* weak, SM7 56.14 F, SM7 60.08 M - S200 Black Series 3 RH - Ontario and Ohio Avg. score 85-92 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_APH Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 As we as staff Monitor this thread I am going to ask membership to also aid in our efforts to hold up our moral code and posting policies. If you see something that is out of line or does not Lineup with our moral Codes please report the post and we will take action from there. Thank you, Forum Staff Daniel Carrier, cnosil, Javs and 5 others 8 Quote as of Nov 6, 2023 (Past WITB) Driver: Paradym TD w/ GD ADDI 6X Driver Shootout! Wood: F7 3 wood 14.5* w/ Motore F1 Shaft Irons: T Series - T200 5 Iron T150 6-9 Iron T100 PW/GW Wedge: Toura Golf - A Spec 53,37,61 degree Putter: Mezz Max! Balls: Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_APH Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 For me I am going to hold all true opinions and written thoughts until a lot more information comes to light. I think we are still so early in this and the dominos to come are far greater than we may know. A true watch this space. Javs, cnosil, JohnSmalls and 2 others 5 Quote as of Nov 6, 2023 (Past WITB) Driver: Paradym TD w/ GD ADDI 6X Driver Shootout! Wood: F7 3 wood 14.5* w/ Motore F1 Shaft Irons: T Series - T200 5 Iron T150 6-9 Iron T100 PW/GW Wedge: Toura Golf - A Spec 53,37,61 degree Putter: Mezz Max! Balls: Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke James Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 The PGA Tour and LIV Golf have come together in a signed agreement to consolidate their commercial businesses and rights under a yet-to-be-named new company as per sources. The agreement encompasses the inclusion of the PGA European Tour, also referred to as the DP World Tour. Here is one of the articles that I found interesting and have tried to covered in depth content related to this topic - https://golfercraze.com/liv-golf-vs-pga/ What are your thoughts regarding this "On going war of golf?" Is it a boon or bane? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skraeling Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 It’s about money. Always has been. Either both sides realized they could make more of it together instead of the M.A.D. War they had going on, or one of them realized they were going to eventually lose. Maybe both. it’s money that’s it. MattWillGolf 1 Quote Driver - Sim2Max 10.5° (set at 9*) UST Helium shaft 3W - StealthHL 16.5° 3h - Sim2max 19° irons - Sim2OS kbsmax85mt steel shafts reg flex 5i-Aw wedgies - Jaws MD5 52°-10° (Bounce) S Grind Jaws MD5 56°-12° (Bounce) W Grind Putter - Mizuno OMOI Type II VENTUS Velocore+ review Stack Referral code Final Sugar "Pure" Golf Balls Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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