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@EasyPutteri actually thought about doing that with my bumpers as well. my mat is right up against the couch, so when a ball rolls off it rolls under the couch - pretty annoying.

looks like you beat me to it - glad to see it worked out well!

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On 10/19/2020 at 8:33 PM, tchat07 said:

Ok one big thing I have found with the birdie ball mats is they do not store well at all. I have had my wrapped up for the last 3 months due to moving. All the holes look almost wrinkled and now there is a big crease across the side where the bumper was laying. Would be interested to see how the storage for yalls works?

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On the road again...

As I mentioned in my intro, I spend about 100 nights a year (a typical year) in a hotel in DesMoines.  Well, today I took the mat to the StayBridge Suites with me. I kept the original box which you can see below, and hauled in the BirdieBall, my putter, a level, and a box of balls.  The hotel staff has long ago decided I'm a nut.  Nothing like checking in with an Orange Whip under your arm... try explaining that while promising not to mark up the walls or ceiling.

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First, I rolled the mat up more than 48hours ago as directed, fuzzy size out and I rolled the holes end first so it would be in the middle, and rolled tightest.

You can see in this first picture how it laid out after first unrolling.  The mat as a whole laid pretty flat, but the end wants to curl, as you'd expect. 

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Then after I laid it on top of the ramp - you can see a pretty good sized gap there.

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And then after I attached the top and side bumpers.  Clearly the bumpers force it to flatten out.

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And after a few hours with the bumper on, after its removed.  You can essentially see the thickness of the bumper piece that is folded under the mat - you can still see that from the top piece.  But otherwise the curl is gone. 

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Everything in the kit has a purpose.  The bumpers hold it flat.  What you see in the top picture as the "fifth" hole, the center cut top most hole, is an upside down cup that essentially helps you line up and hold in place the mat on top of the ramp.  It also serves as a challenge hole where you have to have the perfect speed to get a ball to stop and stick in one of the four openings - good luck getting all four...  but I digress...  While I personally don't like the looks of the cup sleeves - they do serve a purpose of helping to hold everything in position as well, keep the mat holes lined up perfect with the ramp holes.  In turn, by holding everything in place the mat essentially has to lay flat.  The holes won't line up if the top mat is curved.  So using the ramp, the bumpers and the hole sleeves - your mat is flattened out and usable pretty quick.  

An observation - You'll see in the op most picture some horizontal lines across the mat.  I assume that comes from the rolling up of the mat and the pressure inside the box.  They have no visible impact on the ball roll so far as I can tell. I think its just the knap of the green (remember its a bit fuzzy) that has been laid flat. I left the included brush at home, otherwise I'd try brushing it out.  I may try later this evening with my hand or a towel or something.  Or it may just wait until my next trip to DSM...

A big personal plus for me - the floor in my hotel is much more level than my basement at home.  And while the hotel has carpet flooring, it is that really thin dense kind with little to no cushion underneath.  The means when I'm walking on the green it really has no give.  Better than when I had it on my own carpet at home, and honestly feels indistinguishable from laying it over my plywood sheets - in fact maybe a bit more stable. 

In terms of durability of the mat, and the cut outs for the holes in particular - time will tell.  Come January this will be rolled up and stored for the weekend, and unrolled again on Monday evenings - so I'll be pushing the hole sleeves in and out, etc weekly... so we'll keep an eye on how they hold up and report on any deficiencies.  

In the meantime, back to the Pelz tutor...

 

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Breakers...

Worked on breaking putts this morning.  I pulled the hole sleeves out of the corners this morning and inserted them into the other two nearer holes to keep balls from accidentally falling in on putts I played too far outside.  I'd rather have them bounce off than have to be retrieved (personal preference), and I wanted to be sure I could get in the side door of the holes I was aiming at. 

This is an instance where if I were king of birdieball for a day I might have made fewer holes - so I could play even more break and putt from farther on the side without being limited by having a hole in my way.  It is possible the king or his engineers thought of that, and still favored all four holes to give options of a hole without as much break, by playing to the two front locations from the side.   I suppose the solution is an even wider mat - you know five or six feet wide; but then She Who Must Be Obeyed might never let me in the house with it, nor could I find the room, and I'd be relegated to the hotel forever... compromise, compromise.  

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Breakers...

Worked on breaking putts this morning.  I pulled the hole sleeves out of the corners this morning and inserted them into the other two nearer holes to keep balls from accidentally falling in on putts I played too far outside.  I'd rather have them bounce off than have to be retrieved (personal preference), and I wanted to be sure I could get in the side door of the holes I was aiming at. 

This is an instance where if I were king of birdieball for a day I might have made fewer holes - so I could play even more break and putt from farther on the side without being limited by having a hole in my way.  It is possible the king or his engineers thought of that, and still favored all four holes to give options of a hole without as much break, by playing to the two front locations from the side.   I suppose the solution is an even wider mat - you know five or six feet wide; but then She Who Must Be Obeyed might never let me in the house with it, nor could I find the room, and I'd be relegated to the hotel forever... compromise, compromise.  

I agree with the observation there are too many holes on this mat.  Just because it is wider does not mean there needs to be more targets but, as you said, more opportunity for practicing roll across a slanted surface which is the majority of putts on a real green anyway.  Straight on or slightly off directly uphill is such a rarity on actual play this is something I have been critically thinking about with applicability to the mat.  Just this morning I was thinking how a 4x8 sheet of plywood is too short to set the whole mat up on a side slant for such practice.

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Back to the hotel!

The BirdieBall has been sitting in its box since Thursday.  Here's a quick look at unpacking and setting up...

Obviously takes a bit longer than 38 seconds... but not by much.

Kept stored in the box were the mat and the ramp (getting them both in takes longer...) all the cups, flags, bumpers, hole sleeves, putter, a box of balls, a six iron and orange whip (other practice tools for the road warrior) and my Pelz putting tutor.  Keep the box! 

Probably should have video'd the insertion of the hole sleeves from another angle - sorry about that.  But needless to say, doesn't take much to set up or tear down.  

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Thinking of fast putts... I've posted my review here

 

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This Lefty's review is up for the BirdieBall PuttUp!

Fire away with any questions you might have and I'll keep posting progress out on the course. 

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On 9/28/2020 at 10:55 AM, txgolfjunkie said:

Here’s what I think I could do without or change:

  • Fewer holes. Two, maybe three max. 
  • Marks on the mat to designate length from hole
  • Sturdier bumpers that are easier to apply.
  • Prefab hole liners.
  • Lower price point. See Conclusion section.
  • I would like a separate stance mat when you need to stand off the green to practice a certain putt.

Well, that is three for three so far on fewer holes...  Hmmm... Curious to see what the other testers think. 

I get the "easier to apply" on the bumpers. I always struggle with those.

Prefab hole liners - what were you thinking about - a full length fully attached to the cup?  

I was poking around on their web site, and saw that they sell as accessories a "high backed" cup.  Probably not what you were thinking - but sometimes I have trouble getting the hole liners between the cup and the turf - its always a challenge - I'd think using a high-backed cup would make that easier and a better fit.  I'm taking mine apart and moving it all the time - something I've noticed, there are some holes in the ramp where its a really tight fight as IMG_6408.JPG.bd1f7dda8a6150889dd5f9a369acdcc3.JPGyou are pushing the hole cup up from the bottom and it is right against the next layer of foam. 

I would think a high back cup would make for a better fit.  

The trade off, of course, is that if you want to putt on the perfectly flat mat, then you are stuck with the high backed cups - but that is only on one side.  Maybe a combination?  High backed for the two deepest holes, and regular cups for the two shortest.  I'm sure there is some cost of supply difference there, but hopefully the engineering team considered it. 

For what its worth - they do sell a separate stance matt on their accessories page.  I have your opposite problem being a righty - thats why the only time I putt at the +6 its at an angle for mild or sever breaking putts. 

I told She Who Must Be Obeyed that if Santa was looking for gift ideas she should put their Hole Reduction Inserts on the list.  I've been pretty nice this year, so if I get them, I'll add pictures etc to the thread.  But you never know - I tend to get coal when I least expect it. 

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On 9/28/2020 at 10:54 AM, EasyPutter said:

I would have liked mat plugs of the same material that could cover at least a couple holes to be able to putt across slope with curved line which is the majority of putts with my chipping accuracy. While perhaps not something overlooked it may be a future intended feature as an uphill putt from below the pin is rare in my game.

100% !

As I said above, I'm hoping to get the hole reducers - but I went looking on their web site hoping to find hole "plugs".

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My biggest reason for hole liners is that I'll use the incline probably 95% of the time. I don't see how practicing a perfectly flat putt is any different than just practicing at the +2' hole on a slight incline. As a lefty, that +2' hole is where I'm spending the majority of my time just for ease of alignment. 

My wish list for the PuttUp:

  • Prefab hole liners. 
  • Fewer holes or hole plugs.
  • Stance mat.
  • Built in kegerator.

Seems reasonable enough, right? 

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3 hours ago, txgolfjunkie said:

My wish list for the PuttUp:

  • Prefab hole liners. 
  • Fewer holes or hole plugs.
  • Stance mat.
  • Built in kegerator.

If I were King of BirdieBall for a day I would grant your first two wishes.

1. I think that helps with the install, and holding it all together (and the cups won't fall out when flipping the ramp over...

2. Three holes - or plugs - with the farthest being the middle hole.  I think two plugs ought to do it. 

3. Gotta make a profit, and thats just too expensive of a wish. Plus, if I make the farthest hole the middle, you don't need a stance mat to stand on anymore.   If I grant your wish of the Prefab hole liners, I'm not sure I need the double depth Challenge Cup to hold the mat in place against the ramp.  I can use that spot for a regular cup - right side up or upside down as a Challenge Cup.  As righty I can putt to the +8, but not the +6 without stepping off the mat. But if you make the middle the farthest  then it can be putt to from either position.  (Considering the distances of the +6 and +8; I'd think that center  hole would be around +10 or 20 feet from the edge...???  I' be curious what the BB Engineers would say...)

As a lefty, you ever replace that Challenge Cup with one of the regular cups and putt to it?

(When the other guys post, I'm curious how many of us actually use the challenge cup, and how often  - but I'll save that thought for another day...)

4. In this litigious society?  Ha! Wish denied.

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On 11/18/2020 at 2:32 PM, WaffleHouseTour said:

If I were King of BirdieBall for a day I would grant your first two wishes.

1. I think that helps with the install, and holding it all together (and the cups won't fall out when flipping the ramp over...

2. Three holes - or plugs - with the farthest being the middle hole.  I think two plugs ought to do it. 

3. Gotta make a profit, and thats just too expensive of a wish. Plus, if I make the farthest hole the middle, you don't need a stance mat to stand on anymore.   If I grant your wish of the Prefab hole liners, I'm not sure I need the double depth Challenge Cup to hold the mat in place against the ramp.  I can use that spot for a regular cup - right side up or upside down as a Challenge Cup.  As righty I can putt to the +8, but not the +6 without stepping off the mat. But if you make the middle the farthest  then it can be putt to from either position.  (Considering the distances of the +6 and +8; I'd think that center  hole would be around +10 or 20 feet from the edge...???  I' be curious what the BB Engineers would say...)

As a lefty, you ever replace that Challenge Cup with one of the regular cups and putt to it?

(When the other guys post, I'm curious how many of us actually use the challenge cup, and how often  - but I'll save that thought for another day...)

4. In this litigious society?  Ha! Wish denied.

I tried using the challenge hole on several occasions and it was quite an attainable target, however, with its slightly raised cap-end of a "plastic edge thickness" above the putting mat surface, the edge had influence on turning an off center roll aside so instead of it dropping into one of the round holes it turned away and either rolled away to bounce off a hole liner or bumped the edge bumper.  At first I found it indeed a challenge but it soon lost its luster of intrigue because of the raised edge.  Still, a clever idea and with the middle holes placed where they were it ensured carefully aimed putts were indeed needed to get to the challenge hole.

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my review is up! fire away with any questions you guys might have.  i really enjoyed testing the PuttUp.

 

 

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On 9/28/2020 at 10:53 AM, Chip Strokes said:

But on the other hand, I had this happen to me enough to make note of it here:

 

Hmmm.... I had plenty of putts rejected because the hole was already full.... but never because of a flag stick.  Which hole? The challenge hole?

 

Completely understand the “walking” of the green.  I’ve notice that in my hotel room.  I don’t really notice it as it happens, as its subtle, but if you step away and come back, oh yeah, it moved. I think in part that is because despite its very large size it is very light weight and the “smooth” side is what is against/gliding on the carpet. Walking on it creates force in a direction, and it doesn’t have the weight to resist so it gives just a bit.  Done over and over it inches or walks across the floor. 
 

I may grab a couple of Velcro command strips and put them on the bottom of the stance end. I’d think it wouldn’t take too much resistance to hold everything in place. Has anyone else tried that?

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2 minutes ago, WaffleHouseTour said:

Hmmm.... I had plenty of putts rejected because the hole was already full.... but never because of a flag stick.  Which hole? The challenge hole?

 

Completely understand the “walking” of the green.  I’ve notice that in my hotel room.  I don’t really notice it as it happens, as its subtle, but if you step away and come back, oh yeah, it moved. I think in part that is because despite its very large size it is very light weight and the “smooth” side is what is against/gliding on the carpet. Walking on it creates force in a direction, and it doesn’t have the weight to resist so it gives just a bit.  Done over and over it inches or walks across the floor. 
 

I may grab a couple of Velcro command strips and put them on the bottom of the stance end. I’d think it wouldn’t take too much resistance to hold everything in place. Has anyone else tried that?

that was the 14’ hole.  it seems to happen most when the hole is empty, which is annoying because usually the flag falls over and i’ve gotta go stand it back up. 

the walking is a minor inconvenience. let me know if the velcro works. i think i’m going to build a base because where i’ve got it set up is a permanent home. 

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Thank you to those who have posted their reviews and comments thus far.

Makes adding this to the "winter season" or Christmas wish list that much easier, and also provides insight into setting it up for best results.

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On 11/21/2020 at 8:05 AM, Chip Strokes said:

the walking is a minor inconvenience. let me know if the velcro works

Back at the hotel I checked to see how much “walking” or “sliding” the putting green did on the carpet.

I first marked the back edge with a Velcro command strip stuck to the floor. 
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After a bit I could see it was moving

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By the next day I could see it really moved... 

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Everyone may not have this problem. I tend to rock back and forth a bit settling (shuffling) my feet (don’t know why, it’s just habit).  That movement or pressure may be what causes the mat to inch backwards.  Maybe it’s the type of carpet.  Maybe my hotel floor is uneven and I’m putting uphill - more than I thought...  I don’t know for sure. And it’s not a big deal - takes no effort to slide the green. But.... a mystery to solve. 
 

 My first action was to attach three Velcro command strips ($4 for 16  at Lowe’s) on the underside of the mat along the bottom/back edge. That definitely stopped the walking. However, this was a bad idea. By holding the back edge firmly in place, by shuffling in my stance a foot or two or three away from the back edge I was still creating pressure and causing the mat to push toward the back, with the edge firmly stuck to the ground. The result? It developed an ever so slight but noticeable upward bow about 6 inches to a foot from the back. Enough to notice setting up to a ball.  I should have expected that. 
 

Pulled the command strips off.  Put some new ones on at the top of the mat about six inches below where the mat starts it’s upward climb up the ramp.  I would have preferred to Velcro the ramp to the floor, but it does not make flat contact with the floor, it’s foam pieces have just enough of an angle to them I didn’t think the Velcro would make good contact. 
 

Putting around I can sometimes hear the Velcro pulling at the carpeting, but so far no discernible movement.  Have only rolled a few since the switch, so I’ll update again after a day or so. 

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I don't have the slip issue with the mat and my hardwood floors. Maybe it's the humidity that keeps the base layer snug to the floor. Maybe it's the weight of the guy hitting putts that keep it in place...maybe it's the fact that my kids probably spilled milk on the floor and it's now sticky and keeping the mat in place. Either way, no issues on my floors. 

I played a quick 9 the day before Thanksgiving and the greens were slick. I was pleasantly surprised by the pace of my putts. It wasn't a course I normally frequent so the reads on the putts weren't as good as I would like. I attribute the speed to the PuttUp.

I'm planning to play on slick country club greens this Tuesday. I'll spend my evenings on the PuttUp to prep. I'll report back on my progress on a round that could involve pre$$ure putt$.  

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Missed this entire thread! I am not in the market for a putting mat but completely forgot to follow this as I was interested. Great context and reviews on this folks. Will be in the market eventually when I have more space so seems like this could be a good option.

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