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I posted a couple times about the SeeMore putter I just bought, so since it arrived today, I wanted to make sure to share this great story of customer service! A couple months back, SeeMore posted on Instagram something to the effect that they were there to help folks with their putting. I responded with, “I need help,” and got a response to call a phone number. Turns out it was the number to the CEO, Jim Grundberg! Seriously.... He and I talked for awhile about what my issues were, what putter I was playing, any fitting stories, where I played, and what my ultimate goal was. We then visited a bit about my experience with SeeMore in the past, and some of what is new at the company. Following the call, he emailed me and copied their Director of Tour Operations, Cody Hale, and asked Cody, in the email, to reach-out to me to be of service. So, at this point I’ve talked to the CEO, and I’m being put in-touch with their Tour guy. What?! No way!!! Cody emailed me and let me know he’d be busy for a bit with the Tour, but that we could get on a phone call. Once we connected, we agreed that I would get Cody some video so he could look at my swing, and then we’d go from there. It took me a few weeks to get him the video, but it didn’t matter! He got right back in-touch with me. We went back over my misses (left, and short), and how we could look to try a couple things to see if it helped. We even went over SAM results from Club Champion I still had as well so that he had the most data possible to work with. He had me go practice by gripping down an inch on my 37” putter and get a mirror to make sure my eyes were in the proper place. I did this, and played a round gripping down and it didn’t work well for speed, but direction seemed to improve. We got back on a phone call, and went over what worked and didn’t work, and then we started talking about putters in their line that might help my distance issues (face factors), and then designs, straight vs bent shafts, length, lie, loft, etc. Cody has done 1000s of fittings at the home office in Franklin, TN, and has been a playing Pro, as well as having worked with fitting pros... I took all of his advice!!! Ultimately we decided that the new 100% milled, Platinum Series, would be the best choice. We agreed on the M5HT, with a straight shaft (45* toe hang), at 36”, or an inch shorter than my current putters. We went with a larger grip to help slow the rotation of my wrists, and to help with the left miss a little bit. Lastly, we went a degree lower on the loft and lie (70*/2*) to finish up. I placed the order the same day, and Cody even had me include a note on the order to have them rush it. I immediately got an email from the build department asking me when I needed to have it. I replied by this Friday, and they replied with one word, “Done!” Seriously! Next thing you know I get an email that they’ll have it built and out the door Monday (just two days after I ordered it), and would have it to me by Wednesday, two days early!!! Again, all of this came directly from the builders! Sure enough, it arrived today!!! Unreal.... Back when the folks on here did the Evnroll reviews they talked directly with Guerin Rife, and that was pretty amazing. We don’t hear of that in the reviews too often. So, for me, not doing a review for a website, and I was originally just a “guy” making a comment to a post on Instagram, having the CEO, and Director of Tour Operations reach-out, and do all they did was just jaw dropping. I told Cody, I’m just a guy, I’m not a Tour player, and this isn’t his job because I didn’t come to the home office for a fitting. He did it anyway, and he did it all for FREE. I honestly have never heard of this before in the golf industry. Just amazing. What a company! Even down to getting my putter out as fast as humanly possible, just because! Look, SeeMore doesn’t pay Pros... They don’t have the cache of Scotty Cameron, and they aren’t the giant beast of Callaway/Odyssey. These guys go WORK for everything they get. Pros aren’t being seen on TV “hiding the red dot” a lot of times because no check is handed to the Pro with the putter. Give these guys a look! They deserve it, and the technology, quality, and obviously the customer service, are top notch! Next time you go to a golf store, go grab a SeeMore at the same time you go grab a Scotty.... “Hide the red dot” at address, and hit some putts. I’m telling you, you’ll be glad you did! And heck, maybe you even end-up getting the customer service I did, from CEO on down.... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

Between my two ears, the mental game. I can break par and I can shoot 90. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy

Ok, in an attempt to bring some light as to this last page of conversation, I've volunteered to peel back the curtain on what it is we as commissioners do, how these trades are processed, and the workings into the specifics of the above referenced deal. First, as you can probably guess, @GolfSpy STUDque, @Undershooter and myself have a long running Twitter DM thread to discuss the league, happenings, adjustments we can make and yes, discuss our teams and potential trades. Sometimes we express interest and wonderment in the amount of FAAB dollars spent on certain players, sometimes we discuss our own start/sit dilemmas, sometimes we share the dopest of memes. But mostly, we're discussing either how to improve the league experience or discussing trades. Now, the reason the trade systems works as it does it actually a pretty simple explanation. We're all adults here, if we agree to make a trade, my belief is that it should be evaluated, but ultimately, we shouldn't stand in the way of your agreement happening. Take it from an attorney who works in negotiating settlements for custody on a daily basis. If the parties agree, the parties agree and the court, or in our case, the commissioners, shouldn't get in the way of that agreement. But let's go deeper, because of something that was said: First, let me explain the logical fallacy on display here, just to prove a point. This trade was approved by all three commissioners, because Undershooter agreed to it by approving the trade with Goaliewales through the trade network. But, to place concerns at rest, I can tell you for absolute fact that Undershooter did not approve of this trade through the Fantrax system, I did. The reason for that is simple,. To eliminate bias and concern, in our Twitter thread when a trade involving one of the commissioners takes place, that commissioner is required to ask one of the other commissioners to approve the trade in Fantrax to eliminate the aspect of self-dealing people are discussing here. So any trade involving me is approved by either Stud or US, any trade involving Undershooter is approved by myself or Stud, and any trade involving Stud is approved by either myself or US. All other trades are open to acceptance for whomever is online at the time. Lastly, let's discuss the specifics of the trade in question. What I can tell you is that Goaliewales and Undershooter each made lists as to who they valued on each other's rosters and began structuring a deal around those wants. Now, you can argue the value of these ratings and how they jive with your evaluation or expert evaluations of players and their abilities, but Goaliewales got the players he desired to obtain from Undershooter and was willing to trade a disappointing WR who has high end WR1 capabilities to do it. He felt the need to try and make a move to improve his position at 3-7 and I'm not going to fault him for that. Fortune favors the bold and if he's right in his assessments of talent, he's got guys who may be able to turn his season around instead of relying on a guy who hasn't delivered for him and an injured Drew Brees. So, that's the first and last word on this from the commissioners of the league. I wish everyone good luck in week 6, may your touchdowns be plenty!

I had another good night in league last night, ballstriking was best it has been in a long time. Other than 3 shots, almost everything went exactly where I intended them to go. 4/6 FIR and 5/9 GIR and 17 putts for a 40 (+5) - 5 pars, 2 doubles, and a bogey. Two of the three bad shots led to penalties (1 unplayable lie and one shot OB). The greens had been aerated in the last week so we had the sandy rooster tails while putting so the ball wasn't rolling very well, but I still managed to lip out a few putts, so it could have been a great round for me. At times (most of the time?) I struggle with my tempo - I can occasionally feel myself trying to start the downswing when the backswing isn't finished yet, which I'm sure has some dire consequences on my timing, so I tried to consciously pause at the top like Hideki. I know it wasn't as dramatic as him, but it seemed to help quite a bit. Not only were shots flying straight, but my distance was good, too. I hit 3 fairways with my 3W and Arccos says they were 247 (uphill), 260, and 261. A friend and I are taking off to Myrtle Beach next Tuesday morning, so I hope I remember this when I get down there as it sure would be nice to play well on resort courses.

I put approach. Short game is coming together and I am happy with tee shots and putting. The quality of my approach shots seems to be driving my game and isn't as consistent as I would like.

You're already received lots of good advice - In the end you need to go with what you like - I have far more game improvement in my irons than my handicap might indicate but it's because my swing profile fits a wider sole plain and simple - I have just gotten accustomed to the look although the jump from the G30 W to the SCOR 48 is pretty radical - I just trust that I can hit each well and live with the look. I don't know what you mean by getting older - are you moving into your 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's? That makes a huge difference - regardless I think that getting older is best handled by the shaft - a different shaft can help with trajectory just as easily as club head type. There is no right or wrong answer to the question of which is best at the top end of the club - the proper question is which is best for you. I would strongly suggest you look at the Ping Long game gapping thread in the member review section and you see four different players who went for a Ping fitting and received 4 very different solutions - I know that my gapping at that end of the bag is far better than it was prior to that fitting and I would never have stumbled upon it by myself. I'm all for blending but again you need to watch your gapping at the transition points - because launch characteristics are different between iron types lofts are different - you can't assume that a 22 degree utility iron is going to be the proper fit after a 25 degree player's iron or distance iron for that matter - you have to test it out first to make sure it's right - for you! Finally I don't know what your budget is but there is a line called Sub 70 that is quite good - you could save lots of dough by going with those clubs and use it for lessons or a range membership to help further you along the way to that goal of a 10. Good Luck!

You shouldn’t need to explain yourself like this but it’s much appreciated that you guys always do. Thank you!

I share your plight. No excuse for me because, as I've mentioned in other posts, a golf swing and fly cast stroke share the same attributes when it comes to tempo and failure to transition the backstroke and forward stroke correctly. I have pretty well mastered the fly casting stroke but for some reason unable to consistently do so with my golf swing. If we ever play a round together, you might wonder what the hell I'm repeatedly muttering to myself at set-up... "light grip and SMOOTH, SLOW SWING".

Fall golf is the best golf .... * this was my 2nd shot from 108 and yes, I made the birdie.

True, but this wasn’t about the results. This was about SeeMore doing more than most. You know what? They even told me that if I use the putter and it seems it needs a change of some kind, like grip, shaft bend, weighting, etc, that they’ll take care of me. Scotty doesn’t do this for “just a guy”. Customer service and catering to ALL golfers is what this is about. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

Another round at Reems Creek in perfect 73 degree weather Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The front nine was great! [emoji849] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Alright fellow spies, as many of you know I was one of the lucky few chosen to test these Lynx Prowler VT Gunmetal irons. The set consists of 4-PW and are shafted with the stock KBS Tour 90 Stiff shafts. A link to the reviews for these irons can be found in my signature. This finish is currently not available on their US site. In the spirit of MGS I am looking to TRADE these. There is a big caveat in any deal made that will require the person receiving these to play them and give their thought in the review thread to help keep the thread going. More testers is always good. The only other rule in this trade deal is you must be in the conus only to keep shipping down. As this will require a review, spies in good standing will first dibs regardless of the item being traded my way. However I am not oppose to giving a newer spy a shot that has shown that they want to participate here. I will provide more pics tonight and provide any pics or answer any questions upon request just pm me. I have a few interests but am really open to anything. Current interests are as follows but not limited to: PXG Gen 2 0811 driver Ping 410LST driver Ping I500 irons Mizuno Hot Metals @GolfSub70 699 irons. Sent from my Moto Z3 Play using MyGolfSpy mobile app

Being a professed equipment junkie, I have more clubs than I probably should. So I'll narrow it down to the playing clubs. BTW, all grips are leather and everything is swingweighted to approx. D6. Drivers - Cobra LTD Pro 9.5*, Project-X HZRDUS Black 75 6.0 44.5", MG Wrap Midsize Mizuno ST180 9.5*, Diamana Kai'Li Ion 70 X 44.5", MG Wrap MS Cobra F7 9.5*, Aldila X-Torsion Copper 70 TX 44.5", MG Wrap MS Mizuno ST190 9.5*, UST Proforce V2 Black 7S 44.5", MG Wrap MS Titleist 905R 9.5*, OG Diamana WB Flowerband 73X, MG Wrap MS 3Ws - LTD Black 3-4 14.5*, Aldila RIP Beta 80 S 43.5", MG Wrap MS Mizuno JPX 850 13.5*, Fujikura Motore TS 7.2 S 43.5" MG Wrap MS Cobra Bio Cell (Blue) 3-4 13*, Fujikura Speeder 757 (British Open limited series) S, MG Wrap MS 5-7Ws - LTD Black 4-5 17.5*, Aldila RIP Beta 80 S 43", MG Wrap MS Mizuno JPX 850 20*, Fujikura Motore TS 8.2 S 43", MG Wrap MS Cobra Bio Cell (Blue) 18.5*, Fujikura Speeder 757 (BOLS) S 43", MG Wrap MS 4-PW - Mizuno MP5, Aldila RIP Tour 115 R, MG Master Perf MS Mizuno MP15. Aldila RIP Tour 115 R, MG Wrap MS Mizuno MP25. Recoil Proto 125 F4, MG Roo MS Wedges - Mizuno MP-T5 Satin 52, 56 & 60, TT Wedge, MG Wrap MS Mizuno MP-T5 Black 52, 56 & 60, TT Wedge, MG Wrap MS Putters - Odyssey O-Works Red R-Line Mallet 33.5", GM Treble Red, White & Blue MS Natural Touch Custom Mallet (my own design - Documented USGA Conforming) 33.5". MG Montana Cow MS L to R - Macassar Ebony, Bolivian Rosewood & Laotian Afzelia Burl

Yes, similar but different, at least from my experience. You HAVE to wait when fly casting to allow the line to travel. Similarly, I HAVE to wait when using my Skilz Gold Flex to allow the weight to properly flex the shaft, just not as long as fly casting. Since clubs have a different weight and flex and golf swings have varying lengths depending on the shot required, the transition isn't as obvious, and it's very easy to have an incorrect move at transition. Of course, pros are better at this than amateurs! I agree about the light grip and smooth swing, but be careful about the SLOW part. Slow can equal short. Need to maintain the proper tempo.

Thanks Bucky, we actually had a discussion as to whether or not to respond, but since things got heated I figured, I can thread this needle, so we'll do it, put it in the past and much like a certain hoodie wearing jerk in New England, declare we're onto week 6.

Jacked lifts don’t exist. Its about launch, spin and descent/land angle (depending on which monitor is used. The key is to find an iron that provides consistent distance. i don’t believe one can train an eye to get over a look. It’s a mindset that needs to be addressed. The good thing about player distance irons is they can offer a smaller topline than a regular go type head. Several companies do a good job at hiding the mass. Srixon I think does a great job of making the 5x5 series look smaller than it is. blending sets can be useful to get extra help in the longer irons which is where most golfers even pros look for some added forgiveness. Brands are doing a good job of either offering mixed sets or designing their lineup to be blended more easily these days. utility irons vs hybrids is personal preference but I also think it’s swing dependent too. If one doesn’t have a higher swing speed (95+ with driver) the chances of a utility iron working for them diminishes. The hybrid is going to be more consistent and easier to hit. Many pros especially on the LPGA use it hybrids because of the ease.

I have a Garmin Approach S20 GPS watch, and it synchs with the Garmin Connect app on my iphone. The app tracks not only what you see there, but you can click on any hole below the scorecard and see your shot distances. I love it a ton more then a GPS app on my phone which I had to open and close every time I posted a score per hole. Love the GPS watch.

Last few posts are a pretty good example of why we should use a Slack channel instead of the forum for fantasy chat (both golf and football).... I'll research setting something up if everyone can agree to have these types of discussions off-line instead of on the forum. Doesn't really add any value to those that aren't involved and can kind of dirty up the timeline. Thoughts?

Thanks man these are fun clubs to hit and the distance gain is unreal but for me they just weren't the right irons to have into the bag. This was a lot of fun and I enjoyed reading everyone's reviews. Sent from my SM-G960U using MyGolfSpy mobile app

By the way, I hope you don't mind, but I copied your post and sent it to him. He said it made his day, that he loves seeing things like that. Nicely done!

Gorgeous day on the course - high 60's, little wind and a cloudless sky. Unfortunately my game was less than remarkable - booking a 95. Highlight of the round was making par on our #16, #3 handicap hole on our course. I sank a 20' putt on that hole - too bad I couldn't putt on the other 17 holes. My putter and I need to go to therapy. Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy

I got 'em...

Put me down for approach play as well. If I don't get regular play the location of where my swing bottoms out and lifting up on all full swings shots becomes the norm. The good news is that because of this I can scramble pretty well and while i may not always be on with the driver, it never really totally leaves at any level. The issue is approach play, hell two weeks ago I was playing great golf, I was 5 over on the front, even on the back standing on the 16th tee. Drove it good, and then lost the will to live. No swing with irons, double, double, double finish to shoot plus 11. Everything else was solid and then... gone. I hate it.

Played 9 yesterday on a beautiful 60 degree fall day. All out of sync and I think I ended up +4. Hit some fairways but dont think I hit a GIR. I was just to quick on transition especially on irons. Today wil be 64 so heading out for 18 after the frost delay lifts.

Game improvement is a misleading category. That’s a sales term and guarantees nothing. only way to improve game is moving dirt. it sounds like a bad fit in shaft, weight, etc with the g410s

well there you have it, confirmation it's just me. I quite like being unique...........just like everyone else

Excellent review and looking forward to your follow up with these irons!

So uhhhh... how about that Jay Gruden firing, huh?? 5am Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy

There are several PGA Tour pros that live on the course I belong to, mostly because the course is always in condition to host a PGA Tour event tomorrow, and the tips are at over 7,800 yards when maxed out. As was mentioned above, driving distance can easily seperate the haves from the have nots as far as professional golf goes. Using my pathetic game as an example, I can shoot in the low 70s consistently on a course of about 6,000 yards. But if you put me on tees of 6,700 or more I will be lucky to break 85. The guys on tour have the ability to not only overpower the longest of courses, but do it with wedge in hand on even a 500 yard par 4. Tour pros play par 3s of over 200 yards almost every time, where us normal mortals struggle with 175 yards and up. And as also was mentioned, putting is the great equalizer. My Dad once played a round with Bruce Fleisher at his home course years ago, where Fleisher had never played before, and had no idea about the greens. He shot 68 blind without a caddie simply by parring every hole and two putting all of the par 5s. That’s a tour pro who can use his distance to neutralize a course and simply play for par on every hole and take the par 5 birdies to shoot 68. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

A "MGS Most Wanted"?? Let's get Tony C on it. Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy

I would say the short game in general. I tell my wife often it's easier to hit the ball toward the green from a distance and once you get closer, the shots get more difficult. The short game is all about touch and finesse, and that is something that takes regular practice to keep sharp. Sent from my SM-G955U using MyGolfSpy mobile app

My shoulder... I’d say Woods can cause the most damage out of them all. If I don’t keep up practice it’s a guessing game.

I think it's definitely a fair assessment and grade considering how the D7's performed for you. Looks, feel, and sound are important and can make or break equipment for some golfers (see: MyGolfSpy ball test thread), but performance out on the course is more important than anything, imo. I could hit a club that sounded like a nails on a chalkboard if it helps me play my best. Hopefully we'll hear back from you later that you're getting better performance as you continue to get rounds in with them. Great job on the review, you all have done an amazing job putting the Wilson's to the test! Sent from my SM-G955U using MyGolfSpy mobile app

Reems Creek in Weaverville, NC. This is what happens when you are hitting your approach shot from a highly elevated fairway. I am surprised this green was in as good a shape as it was. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Played a couple weeks ago and got caught in a random Hawaiian downpour. The kind where it's sunny, but dumping buckets on you for about 5 minutes. I had a light "rain" jacket that I keep in my golf bag for times like this, but I've never worn it in anything more than a light mist. I got soaked -- completely through to my polo underneath the jacket. Picked up a Galway Bay half-sleeve jacket last week. It was too big, so I reached out to GB support and much to my surprise, the owner Terry responded to me in about 30 minutes. More impressive, it was like 6pm on the east coast already, but he still took the time to answer my e-mail. He asked for my address, and an exchange was sent to me a few days later. It's not one of the exciting pickups like a new club, but I felt like writing a short post to comment on how great Terry and Galway Bay treated me. Money well spent, and they've definitely gained a new customer. Before anyone asks, I didn't mention that I frequent MGS, or anything that might've led them to treat me better than the next person -- they're just that good! Nice to see when an OEM/Brand cares about their patrons.

Stage Two - The Review 10/8/19 *Photos coming soon Wilson D7 Irons – Official MGS Forum Review by JohnSmalls Intro Annnnd break. Stage two is here, and I wish this test could go on for a few more months (foreshadowing). My testing was done over 3 golf courses, one tournament, 3 full rounds, 4 or 5 “9 hole” treks (I lost count), and numerous afternoons after work practicing certain shots and distance testing out on the golf course and around the greens. Some launch monitor data was collected during lessons on Flightscope with Srixon range balls. In stage one I mentioned that for these irons to make a home in my bag, they needed to consistently hit expected distances across the face, not lose as much distance on off center shots, hit the ball low, hit a punch draw and a fade, and most importantly will these irons hit shots that will stick on the green. So how have they fared? Looks. (8/10) Like any good equipment brat, I love the look of blades and I don’t necessarily like the look of clunky golf shovels. There is a quality of the craftsmanship when you hold a blade or players iron, and they often look and feel like high quality precision instruments. SGI and GI irons often feel and look cheap, almost like they are toys. These are absolutely an exception to that. Wilson has far surpassed expectations in the looks department. I love the polished chrome finish on these irons, the ferrules and faces just exude the look of a quality golf club. These understated looks drew a few onlookers in to take a closer look at the clubs. Flipping the club over to the badging is when the story changes though. I generally don’t like the back of GI/SGI clubs. They often look cheap and chintzy and it is by far my least favorite part of a GI/SGI club. With that said, Wilson designers really should be commended for their job here. The Wilson shield sits strongly in the middle and the little blue line is a nice touch. But it is still a badge slapped onto a golf club. The powerholes (slots cut out of the bottom, filled with urethane) are anything but classic and svelte. They scream for attention, and that’s where most people had questions. They aren’t the best looking feature of the golf club, but they are an attention grabber and question starter. Sound&feels. (10/10) These D7 irons are good lookers, but how do they sound and feel? They had their work cut out for them going against the forged sound and feel of my Nike Vapor Pro Combos. This was the single biggest surprise of the entire test. They DO NOT feel like SGIs. That is the best thing I can ever say. I don’t know what Wilson engineers did, but these clubs communicate shot feedback better than any GI/SGI club I have ever hit. They sound like a classic iron on good shots, bad shots, and generally anywhere in between. It is like the clubs are trying to talk to you in a nice clean and calm conversation. Poor shots send very clear feed back into your hands and your ears. You know where you miss the clubface with these, just like the Nikes. But the feedback is toned down one step. On bad shots the smaller Nikes are like your buddy slugging you in the arm, whereas the Wilson’s are more of a slap on the wrist. You know exactly where you have missed, it’s just not as pronounced. I think the feedback these irons give really lend to them looking smaller and instill confidence. The first few times I had them on the course, I found myself grinning like a child because I couldn’t believe I was getting this feedback from a SGI iron. *I got a chance to hit the new Callaway Big Bertha Irons, they don’t come close to the feel of the Wilson’s nor the fit and finish. Basic Characteristics. (12/20) Now that’s plenty of the looks and feels of the irons. How do they perform?? I got a good launch monitor session in at a lesson and spent a few nights around the greens and dropping balls from distance to see how consistent these irons were in a practice type of environment. On the launch monitor—I am seeing 88-89 mph clubhead speed with the 7 iron, with a carry in the low to mid 170s and a rollout of 7-8 yards and around 6000 spin. In practice, good strikes result in very high ball flight versus thin or toe side strikes that result in little total distance lost, but much lower ball flight and a little more runout. 7 irons into greens with a tour ball will take one big hop with a touch of roll. Two piece ionomer balls would hop and total run out around 10 yards. Accuracy was good and consistent with PW-7 iron during my testing on approach shots I made sure to get plenty of off centered hits mixed in with good clean strikes, these irons really do bring forgiveness to the table. Very little yardage is lost on thin strikes and toe struck shots lost less than the ~10% found in the players irons. But with that forgiveness, can you work these irons. I am proud to say that is a yes. I must be able to hit low punch draws to get out of trouble in the trees and I was able to do not only that but also fade the ball nicely with the ball flight being enough to hold a green. Now these clubs are not a bandaid for a bad swing. Put a bad swing on a ball and they will hit duck hooks for days. I mostly used the GW for feel shots around the green. The face is “hotter” (the ball comes off faster with less effort) than the single piece forged wedge of my Nikes. It took a week or two to get used to the speed of the ball coming off the D7, but that was a minor adjustment, the club has become automatic. I have used it from everything such as bump and runs to flop shots. The shorter clubs in this set are automatic. On course performance (21/30) As Billy Joel says, under pressure. How did these hold up to a swing that badly needs more practice and refining? Well I played some of my best golf ever firing a 42 on the front 9 Sunday afternoon at my home course and a cool even 90 on the worst driving day I have had all year (8 penalty strokes), on a course that I have never played before that is rated at a little bit more difficult than my home course. The scoring clubs have really shined. I have holed out twice with the GW something that hasn’t happened in 3 years. These clubs hold greens better than I imagined they would. The GW will hop and pull back on full swings and the 8 iron will come close to hopping and stopping. That fits the bill for what I need them to do. GW through 8 iron have been largely point and shoot through this test and are all go to clubs. The 7 iron has had some impressive shots, getting me onto a par 5 in 2 for the first time ever. But from 6 iron down to 4 iron, especially 4 & 5, they might as well stay at home. I have not hit these clubs well since they have gone in the bag. In fact they have been noticeably worse overall than my Nikes. Going into this test I thought the opposite would be true, but as someone who generally likes longer irons, I just absolutely cannot hit these. Another trend I really noticed when these clubs were put in tournament mode was an aberration in shot distance with the gap wedge. This club should be carrying 120-125, easily. After sticking two GIRs for birdies, I had an approach into a green with the pin on the front right between 118-121. I came up 10 yards short of the green with a quality strike. This isn’t the first time it has happened, but it is the first time that it really meant something. The 7 iron has had some instances where distances don’t match the flightscope numbers and shots are coming in 10 yards short as well. Fliers haven’t been a problem, but completely unexpected distance loss on quality strikes has been a strange issue, one that hasn’t been resolved yet. Misc. (10/10) Wilson put together a neat package. The spec sheet to go with the irons was a nice touch by the custom build department. I checked previous Wilson reviews and it seems that the build quality issues with premature wear/tear and the paintfill issues have been fixed. Of course, the mirror finish is the first to wear, but these clubs are holding up well. I have had a couple of guys grab the irons out of my bag asking what they were, after complimenting how good they looked, one being surprised to see Wilson’s in the bag. The main comments are on the power holes, and after these two months, they do indeed work. One concern I had going into this was how thick the soles were, but Wilson designers have made almost a v-sole out of the sole and the turf interactions plays to a much smaller feeling footprint than what is present. Play or trade? (12/20) I am on the fence here, and am going to need another few months to decide the fate of the D7s. I love having Wilson’s in my bag. But the performance must justify the presence. Right now they aren’t quite where I would expect them in terms of results as a whole package and that is a problem. I have some gapping issues at the bottom of the bag, and as I have said before the long irons are almost useless in my hands. With that said, these irons have gotten me out of trouble that other clubs in my bag gotten me into, and still led me to the lowest scores I have shot all year even after not playing great golf. So there is something about these irons, and they are sticking around…for a couple more months of testing. Stay tuned. In conclusion, Wilson has made a seriously good iron with the D7. These clubs look like they belong on the course and the qualitative results are shockingly good. But the quantitative haven’t completely sold me yet. I am going to put that down as operator error and possibly a poor fitting shaft in the long irons, for now. The distance with these is real, that’s on a loft for loft basis. The versatility and the quality of this product is surprising and worth more than the asking price. The questions I had have been met with a strong performance and I look forward in gaming these in some upcoming tournaments. My GIR has increased, though just slightly. I feel like these will continue to be good irons for me, but I am not sure they are the irons for me. If you are in the market for a GI or SGI iron, these deserve special consideration during your next purchase decision. There isn't an SGI iron that will match the D7 for feel, distance, versatility all for a very reasonable price. Wilson is every bit back in the game of producing high quality golf clubs. They will be on the top of my list for my next irons. The Final (midterm) Grade: 73/100

Wanted to try something different today during a scramble so I benched The a Srixon z565 in favor of a 2012 Cleveland Classics XL with a Miyazaki 60s shaft. Had hit a few shots with it recently but decided to try it for a full round today. Hmmmmmmm..... very long and straight. Much higher flight (good for me). All drives playable. This one is gonna stay in the bag for a bit. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Go Patriots! Welcome to Boston Losahhh! City of Champs. Tom Brady is my cousins wife’s eighth bests friends uncles son cousin twice removed friend. Wait, where’s my dunkin? Gotta go bro. Just had to defend my turf. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Absolutely. There are also guys who are wizards inside 150 yards who can't make it on the big stage because they don't hit it nearly long enough. To be even a journeyman on the PGA Tour you need to be pretty dang long, and be pretty dang good with every other facet of the game. A significant weakness in any one part of the game will make you a two-day player at best, not a 4-day player. There's not much money coming in when you're slamming the trunk on Friday night.

Now Stoker, admit he's a surely man who can come across as a jerk, and that's part of why the fan-base loves him, and I'll rescind my statement

Please add some more pictures when you get a chance! Sounds like you have some great bags.

I just watched all the videos on their site. Is it just me that cannot see how this is a big benefit to golfers? I noted in one part he actually hit the short shot slightly fat. I dont see anyone (in this country) rocking up to the range with this 'girdle' on

Golf Galaxy online has a $10 off QStar Tour. With the current clearance price, it ends up being $9.98 per dozen (reflects when you view in cart). https://www.golfgalaxy.com/p/srixon-2018-q-star-tour-2-golf-balls-18srxu2018qstrtr2gbl/18srxu2018qstrtr2gbl

I'm sure someone who currently has Arccos can comment for sure but my understanding is that you must have the app in order to use to see/use any data from the sensors which makes the app imperative. That said, I figure I have 3 months to determine whether I want to spend $99 a year or not. If I don't find it worth the money, I will cancel the subscription and I have lost nothing.

This year only once when a light precip which I don't mind playing in turned into a heavy downpour. Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy

In my humble opinion it’s not the ability to score low that separates average Joe Scratch from a Tour Pro it’s the Pro’s ability to score low consistently over a tournament and season. Most accomplished golfers can have a singular excellent round when all the stars align. The problem is these average guys are as likely to shoot 88 as they are 68. Professionals just don’t have that huge swing in scoring. The other thing I’ve noticed is a Pro’s scoring within a round is often littered with birdies. They do have bad holes as well but the amount of birdies routinely offsets the occasional bogey or double bogey. We all have a level of potential within us. Your potential changes over a life time based on health, fitness, life’s priorities and resources. Most (not all) professional golfers come from affluent backgrounds. From a very early age they’ve had great coaching, great equipment and the financial backing to maximize their abilities. As they develop, Golf in their lives and the resources that develop their skills grow larger. Average Joe Scratch maybe very accomplished but often he/she has other responsibilities that take precedent over Golf. While they may posses the talent/potential to score low they just don’t have all the other tangibles and intangibles to do so consistently over a four round tournament or competitive Golf season. If LeBron James were to play in my church basketball league he would probably score 80 points. If Brooks K were to play a round of Golf with my weekend group he would most likely shoot in the mid to low 60s but he is not going to shoot in the low 50s. I guess my point here is the true separation between a Touring Pro and Average Joe Scratch is not an individual shot or round, more so, it’s the ability to consistently score within a competitive range. Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy

Plus 6 is usually the number I hear before you can even think about it. And that is just raw ability it doesn’t account for the mental side of the game, which needs to be at another level. Most recent guy I played with was not spectacular in any one area. However the control over the golf ball was amazing. Every shot he hit was not only purposeful but landing and moving the way he wanted and needed it to. He shot -5 and never made a putt.

Stage 2 Review – October 6, 2019 Wilson D7 Irons – Official MGS Forum Review Hello again Golf Spies! The photo below shows my bag today with the entire set Wilson Ladies D7 irons. Thank you again to Wilson Golf and My Golf Spy for the opportunity to test and review the Ladies Wilson D7 lineup. I approached this task seriously and enjoyed every minute. Thank you also to my fellow Spies for the support and constructive replies. Hopefully I have met your expectations. Except for the 3 week span during my trip to Scotland, I played or practiced with the Wilsons 2-3 times each week. Tracking my stats throughout the review with the ShotScope V2 system, was educational and sometimes surprising. My testing initially began with a 7-iron comparison between my prior set (Ping Serene) and the Wilson D7. The PGA SuperStore in Austin was a great help and I'll talk about some stats from that session in the basic characteristics section below. I intend to visit them again for a follow up on my progress soon and will add my findings next time I make the drive up to Austin. The question I hoped to answer with this review has an important bearing on my particular golf game: Does the Wilson D7 design provide more distance and better accuracy to help with the long approach shots I often face? Looks: (8 of 10) My first impressions upon un-boxing these irons was overwhelmingly positive and that is still the case. My Pings have a matte finish and I wondered if glare from the high polish on the D7s would cause any issues, but it has not. I don’t pay much attention to WITB of my playing partners but a few ladies and men have been curious enough to give the Wilsons a closer inspection. I don't know if they were drawn in by the bag full of shiny chrome or because they were aware of my review, but that never happened with my Pings. I wasn’t wild about the purple shaft graphic at first but don’t even notice it now. And I like the graphics on the grips because they help me with consistent grip placement and club face alignment. But I'm deducting a single point because while I find absolutely nothing offensive about these clubs, the lack of ladies customization options makes them feel just a little impersonal. The extra long wait time to receive these required another point deduction. Sound and feel: (10 of 10) I am a visual and tactile learner (not auditory), so beyond the thud of a chunked shot, sound is not typically a focus for me. But compared to my Pings, the click of a well struck D7 is more muted and very pleasing. And because no sound for me is preferable to a distracting sound, I'll say the D7s are a clear improvement. Launch Monitor stats indicate my miss tendency is thin and toward the toe. That combination causes the face to crank open and the results are dreadful shots that veer right and end up short of my target. When that happens, the feeling of the Wilson D7 irons is definitely more pleasant than my Pings. My swing is all about feel, but does better feeling translate into better results? Keep reading... Basic Characteristics: (17 of 20) Above: PGA SuperStore screen in Launch Monitor bay I'm still in the process of learning what all the columns of launch monitor stats mean for my game. And because I imagine the majority of golfers are similarly overwhelmed by all that information, I'm going to focus on the basics of carry distance, efficiency and lateral dispersion. Stats from my Wilson D7 Challenge session indicated a 7 yard increase in carry distance over my gamers and I was thrilled at the prospect of more yardage. But the stats from the PGA SuperStore session showed the exact opposite, with my Pings offering roughly a 7 yard advantage. Efficiency stats from that session gave the edge to my Pings again at 1.41 vs 1.38 - not enough disparity to account for the 7 yards and both are acceptable stats for my skill level. Lateral dispersion stats were not as clear cut. The D7s produced many more shots that were on line (within 3 yards of target) but my misses with them were also much bigger. The dispersion average shows the Wilsons (0.5 yards off line; std. dev 4.9 yards) as a clear winner, but facing potentially big misses on my very tight home golf course is somewhat worrisome. On Course Performance: (27 of 30) The preceding segments of this review certainly have merit, but how it performs on the golf course is the real test of chemistry when it comes to developing a relationship with my new equipment. And I hope you'll keep reading to learn why exactly, but I'll tell you right now that the D7s are staying in my bag. Because my personal list of pros and cons falls neatly down the same lines, I'm going to sub-section this on course performance category into approach clubs (5-7 iron) and scoring clubs (8-GW). Pros (8-GW): For several reasons, I absolutely love the scoring end of the Wilson D7 irons. I am experiencing some minor distance inconsistencies in this section of the bag. But my ball generally flies much straighter and I've hit more quality shots than I did with my Pings. This has translated into more confidence and better scoring from positions inside 80 yards. Although I still tend to miss right, I now know how cool it feels to watch your ball consistently fly toward the target - which technically also makes the golf course shorter for me. Like I said, lots of pros with the scoring clubs. I have experienced similar improvements around the green. I am much less likely to stub the leading edge into the ground with the D7s and have been able to develop some distinct shot options that my Pings didn't seem to offer. I use the GW a lot around the green and can comfortably hit high lobs and pitches consistently well. The GW has also recently allowed me to add a bump and run shot to my short game arsenal and I can already see how having that option is going to save me some shots in the long run. This is the first time I’ve had a Gap Wedge. With it I have now learned to hit a bump & run, soft pitch and flop all with the same club – Love it! Having more all around confidence from positions where the majority of my shots are played makes me want to practice even more and feel I'll continue to see improvements with the scoring clubs. Cons (5-7 iron): Where the D7 scoring clubs offer confidence, consistency, and options - the longer approach clubs have given me fits on the course. My good shots are quite good and my bad shots are awful. ShotScope distance range stats with each of these clubs is all over the place - like 50 yards difference from good to bad. I know a lot of that disparity has to do with my skill level as a relative beginner and making some pretty bad swings. But for whatever reason, I make a lot of bad swings with the longer clubs and it has negatively impacted confidence and scoring in this area of my game. For example: The signature hole at our home course is a Par 3 with an island green (see photo below) that plays around 100 yards from the ladies tee. With my Ping 7 iron or 8 iron, I used to carry the water pretty consistently and despite the penal setup of this hole, it's one I typically played well. I have yet to carry the water with the Wilson 7-iron and consistently hit the 6-iron over the green and sometimes into the water behind the green. Finding the water here most likely results in at least a double bogey and it's definitely costing me shots. Miscellaneous (8 of 10) I love that Wilson has begun to include pro line offerings designed specifically for ladies and greatly appreciate their outreach initiatives to better serve my market segment. Without equipment case studies like the Wilson D7 Challenge, the "chicken or egg" questions surrounding women's participation in the game of golf will remain speculative. So, while I wish the endless D7 setup (i.e. 4-iron, shaft/grip) options available on the men's side would start trickling over to women’s, I applaud Wilson for their focus on better serving the equipment market for ladies. Except for PGA SuperStore I couldn’t find a single golf or sports retail store where I could inspect the Wilson D7 in person. The lack of retail shelf space for Wilson products in general gave me a greater appreciation for the creative customer outreach Wilson Golf demonstrated by getting the network of reps involved through the Wilson D7 Challenge events. Play It or Trade It (17 of 20) The popularity of the Pro vs Con list is a pragmatic approach of simple accounting, to help make emotional decisions a little easier. Playing golf is definitely an emotional activity that is best pursued with a pragmatic approach and I have discovered the process of choosing your equipment is no different. So, if we break my overall iron game down by percentage of shots with the (8-GW) and the Pros they offer -vs- the (5-7 iron) Con column - it's a fairly straightforward decision that the Wilson D7 irons offer an overall improvement. Despite nursing a wrist injury throughout this review process, during this testing my handicap has dropped 2.4. strokes to 22.2. That’s my lowest ever index and my 3 lowest career rounds were with the D7 irons. And that makes me very happy! The point deductions in this section are because not only did these irons not give me the anticipated extra distance, but I lost distance consistency, especially with the long irons. Overall (87 Points) My main question going into this review: Are the Wilson D7 irons longer and straighter? It turns out, by the averages, they aren't any longer for me... so far. But they are appreciably straighter and that has improved my enjoyment, confidence and scores. And the improvements are overwhelmingly in an area of my game that wasn't necessarily my weakest. That combination gives me further confidence that if I can get the longer clubs working for me, I'll see my scores come down even more. Please reach out in the official review thread if you have any additional questions. Thanks again to Wilson and MyGolfSpy for this wonderful opportunity. And also to my fellow Spies for being so positive and supportive. I am eternally grateful.

Stage Two - The Review 29SEP19 Wilson D7 irons – Official MGS Forum Review by GeekingGolf Intro I just want to start by saying thank you to Wilson Golf and MyGolfSpy for this amazing opportunity. I have always wondered what a game improvement iron would do for my game and it was amazing fun playing with these clubs in the bag. Well like I said in Stage 1 this move from a players iron to a game improvement is not very easy. The clubs perform very well all things being considered, but if you have been playing a players iron for many years you might have a tough time adjusting. I tested these irons in normal course and range conditions for my area. Jacksonville gets pretty windy at times especially on the naval base course here. I moved back a set of tees and tried to use the longer irons off the tee as much as possible. I did use Arccos tracking, but it has been missing shots and with my Samsung S9 it has drained my battery all the way out every time on the course. I have included some screenshots of some of the better shots I tracked to give you an idea of the distances I was seeing. I think these are a full club longer for me. My range sessions were used to get a better handle on the trajectory and distance I would see on the course. I used my range sessions to determine if I could move the ball up and down or left and right and I have included my findings below. Looks (8 out of 10 points) These clubs definitely look great. The look is classic with the chrome and black look. I think the look definitely isn’t flashy but it looks classic to me and is something worthy of the Wilson logo. The shape of the clubs is classic as well and the top line although thick is comparable with other irons in this category. Sound & Feel (9 out of 10 points) I just love the sound and feel of these irons. For a game improvement iron, I really thought that I would have a difficult time with knowing the strike location on shots. The impact feels softer than I expected and when you hit the exact middle of the club face it feels like you used a bazooka to hit the ball. The ball explodes off the face and I imagine that the power holes really aid in not only the soft feel but also the speed transfer to the ball. Basic Characteristics (17 out of 20 points) When I think of game improvement irons, I immediately think distance and forgiveness. Well these irons definitely fit the stereotype, the distance is unreal adding about 10-15 yards distance to every one of my irons and the forgiveness is definitely there with these clubs. I don’t get to practice as much as I would like and having something this forgiving in the bag really helps my golf game out. Mishits really don’t lose much distance and I have had zero issues with trajectory control. These irons do tend to hit draws more easily than fades and it probably has to do with the offset. I can hit a fade but it isn’t easy and it isn’t easy to control for me yet. The wide sole and different power hole configurations provide a high launch with tons of ball speed which is why the distance is there. On-Course Performance (24 out of 30 points) The irons on course performance is pretty good. For some reason the shape of the club, the thick top line in particular causes me to try and lift the ball at times so I really have to focus on hitting down on the ball with these clubs. My overall scores have improved even though my greens in regulation percentage has gone down significantly. I find it very difficult to hit these irons accurately at the moment, I either push it right, hit too much draw or occasionally get that game improvement iron flyer. I think these irons would be better suited for a golfer with a higher handicap and with trouble slicing the ball. These clubs definitely help me hit the ball high and the ball lands softly on the green with no roll out or backspin. This probably has to do with the stronger lofts and thin sole which is lowering the center of gravity. I have witnessed some trouble with distance control in windy conditions as these clubs characteristics make it difficult to keep shots from ballooning into the wind. I think overall these are solid performers for this category of iron. The golfer that these are targeting will definitely see many more benefits than I have in my opinion. My scores stayed about the same with these irons as with my gamers but it’s important to note that my greens in regulation or more importantly my accuracy definitely decreased with these in the bag. I will say that Wilson has done an amazing job with the design and value of these clubs and have changed my perception of the brand. Before this testing opportunity I knew Wilson was a long established golf brand, but didn’t think they made very good products primarily because I didn’t know anyone that played with their clubs. Well that perception has definitely changed and I could see myself trying their irons in the future. The main detractors for me are the thick top line which is common in this iron category and also the long irons show the back of the iron at address which is a little distracting for me. I really like the combination of technologies on this iron, the power holes are winners in my opinion and the golf ball just explodes off the face which makes these irons very fun to hit. Miscellaneous (8 out of 10 points) The irons did take a while to arrive, but I don’t really consider that a bad thing for Wilson it may just mean that these irons are in high demand and I can see why. These combine good performance for an outstanding price so I can see newcomers to golf really gravitating toward these irons as a first real set of irons. The irons came in a standard industry box, but it included an authentication spec sheet that showed Wilson’s dedication to quality control which is great to see. Play it or Trade it? (10 out of 20 points) Trade it. This type of iron doesn’t work for my game at the present time. I can’t honestly say that my iron play is better with these in the bag and although the gain in distance is great to see, I put a premium on accuracy with my irons. I want to get the ball as close to the hole as I can and also I want to be able to hit a variety of shots with my irons, high or low, left or right. I can’t do that with these irons. There is definitely forgiveness and distance in these irons, but for me those aren’t my top priorities. The price on these irons is unreal. These cost retail about 600 dollars which I think is an absolute steal in today’s golf market. These irons definitely fit the higher handicap golfer one that probably has trouble with slicing the ball and losing a lot of distance as a result. If you are a higher handicap golfer that has trouble hitting the ball straight or even if you would like to the ball higher and hit a draw these would be for you. Conclusion Are you a high handicap golfer looking to increase distance and eliminate your tendency to hit that slice on the golf course? Well these irons are definitely ones to consider adding to your bag. These irons pack game improvement technology to help the golfer hit the ball higher, farther, and straighter. If however your handicap is below 15 I would consider passing on these. Even though these pack a lot of great features in my opinion these will not improve your iron play to the point where you could see a real scoring impact. In my opinion 15 and below handicap golfers like myself are trying to hit more greens and also hit the ball closer to the hole even if that means sacrificing some distance to reach that end goal. Overall these are great golf clubs that definitely do what the manufacturer claims they do. Final Score: 76