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Ok, so Sergio has signed a 14 club deal with Callaway. Many others are changing right now as well, so this begs the question:

If the Pro performs better/worse after the change, are the clubs, or new sponsorship, the cause?

Thoughts?

 

 

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My thought is that the clubs are fitted to the player and that club changes don't really impact their play. Hopefully the player has tested them to ensure performance is comparable to prior clubs. I think ball changes probably have the most impact on how a player performs. In my opinion failures anyplace else would be associated with a lack of confidence if perceived improvements are not immediately seen by the player.

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Ok, so Sergio has signed a 14 club deal with Callaway. Many others are changing right now as well, so this begs the question:

If the Pro performs better/worse after the change, are the clubs, or new sponsorship, the cause?

Thoughts?

 

 

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For Sergio, probably. He had a break through win at Augusta in 2017, so he has to be pumped for 2018. If he plays awful, it might be the clubs. Clubs really do make a huge difference. If I remember correctly, something like 6 out of the top 10 most improved drivers on Tour switched to TaylorMade last year. That seemed to be mostly due to the equipment. Obviously, Sergio tested the Callaway lineup before signing, so I think we're definitely going to see him up there on the leaderboard more this coming year.

 

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I feel the ball has more to do with their play. They will get fit and specs will be right on. But the ball and confidence could be the difference maker. I know each ball performs similar but it takes time to get use to the feel and that with either increase confidence or decrease it based on the feed back.

 

 

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I feel the ball has more to do with their play. They will get fit and specs will be right on. But the ball and confidence could be the difference maker. I know each ball performs similar but it takes time to get use to the feel and that with either increase confidence or decrease it based on the feed back.

 

 

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Yes, confidence is an enormous part of it...

 

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I feel the ball has more to do with their play. They will get fit and specs will be right on. But the ball and confidence could be the difference maker. I know each ball performs similar but it takes time to get use to the feel and that with either increase confidence or decrease it based on the feed back.

 

 

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I think this is the case as well, and if you read the post by the new member who got to caddie for Rory as part of a Military Charity fundraiser, Rory said this exact thing regarding the newer ProV and TP5X

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I still think that if you pay these guys enough money, they'll bag your equipment.

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My thought is that the clubs are fitted to the player and that club changes don't really impact their play. Hopefully the player has tested them to ensure performance is comparable to prior clubs. I think ball changes probably have the most impact on how a player performs. In my opinion failures anyplace else would be associated with a lack of confidence if perceived improvements are not immediately seen by the player.

 

I feel the ball has more to do with their play. They will get fit and specs will be right on. But the ball and confidence could be the difference maker. I know each ball performs similar but it takes time to get use to the feel and that with either increase confidence or decrease it based on the feed back.

 

 

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I'm going to disagree on the ball. I think you give any of these pros a good ball and they can play and win with any of them on any given day. In fact I believe they could certainly play their best golf with Snell, Vice, and even an MG. But like all things at the Pro level. They're getting paid (or it's free) to play balls, clubs, clothes, shoes, etc, etc.

People always like to talk about pros as if they have some 6th sense us lowly amatures don't have. Like they can feel things in an iron or ball that we just can't. Horse$hit. What is a fact is they just strike the ball better than we do. Regularly. Consistently. 

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I think there is a “breaking in” period with new clubs. Some of the best in the world have struggled after switching equipment. Rory, Tiger, it usually only takes a few tournaments, but it does seem that they struggle a bit.

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I'm going to disagree on the ball. I think you give any of these pros a good ball and they can play and win with any of them on any given day. In fact I believe they could certainly play their best golf with Snell, Vice, and even an MG. But like all things at the Pro level. They're getting paid (or it's free) to play balls, clubs, clothes, shoes, etc, etc.

People always like to talk about pros as if they have some 6th sense us lowly amatures don't have. Like they can feel things in an iron or ball that we just can't. Horse$hit. What is a fact is they just strike the ball better than we do. Regularly. Consistently.

I will disagree. Each ball will spin different. For me the Pro V1 Works the best. I've played many others. The Snell MTB linger off the tee. Did not spin around the greens the way I like. The Srixon tour ball felt a little firmer. I just think this is one variable that is not easily adjusted.

 

 

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I will disagree. Each ball will spin different. For me the Pro V1 Works the best. I've played many others. The Snell MTB linger off the tee. Did not spin around the greens the way I like. The Srixon tour ball felt a little firmer. I just think this is one variable that is not easily adjusted.

 

 

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Belay that 'Belay that' ...  Yes they spin different, and certain balls will feel/work better for different players.  OK, the MTB didn't spin around the green the way you like, but if you had the next two months to play with it, I think you would learn to play it just fine.  I am certainly no pro, but even I can play well (for me) with just about any ball.  I like the PV1 really well; just not well enough to pay for it when other balls like the Snell are cheaper.  I can handle the differences around the green, so I'm pretty sure the pros can learn to do the same, and much faster than I can.

 

I think there is a “breaking in” period with new clubs. Some of the best in the world have struggled after switching equipment. Rory, Tiger, it usually only takes a few tournaments, but it does seem that they struggle a bit.

I agree that there is a breaking in period.  I suspect how long it takes varies with the pro.  Yes, they are fitted, but the clubs don't feel the same.  A local pro here once told me that it took him about a week to get used to a new driver that was sent to him.  He hated to get new irons because they could take months.

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Equipment differences are negligible at the tour pro level. These guys can play great on anything and they have every resource in the world to dial in their equipment. The only area it seems like there might be a significant strokes gained/lost is with the putter if one company has good tech and another makes pretty wall hangers.  ;)

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