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There are a lot of questions surrounding ball lab, but two of the most common I've seen (in some form at least) have been "What balls are in the test?" and "How can I compare the balls within the test

Funny story about that. I recently purchased a box from Target because I was playing a new course with lots of water and was tipped off that I may lose a few balls. Well, rather than lose any of my pr

We have some new balls to add, but I need confirmation about one... Obviously, the Top Flite Gamer and Maxfli Tour X are new to the list. It also appears the new Titleist Tour Speed golf ba

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30 minutes ago, KurtActual said:

Ok @TR1PTIK time to add the Bridgestone. Kinda surprised by the Ball Lab on this one...

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Fairway Wood: Mizuno ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S
Hyrbrid: Mizuno CLK 19* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB
Irons: Nike Vapor Pro Combo (4-PW) Dynamic Gold Pro S300
Wedges: Bridgestone Tour B XW-1 50*, 54*, & 58* Nippon Modus 3 105
Putter: Scotty Cameron Futura 6m 33"
Ball: Bridgestone Tour B XS
Bag: 2017 Titleist Players 5 Stand Bag

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This is helpful, thanks for putting it together and updating!  Am I the only one who is really curious to see how these compare?

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Well done, Very helpful!

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:taylormade-small:             SIM 15* (GD DI 7X) 

:taylormade-small:             2 DHY (GD DI HY8X)

:srixon-small:                     Z585 4-5 (KBS C Taper S)

:srixon-small:                     Z785 6-PW (KBS C Taper S)

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:titelist-small:                      Vokey SM8 59 04 L   (KBS 610)

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4 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

This is helpful, thanks for putting it together and updating!  Am I the only one who is really curious to see how these compare?

 

 Nope! Not at all! 

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Driver: Mizuno ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S
Fairway Wood: Mizuno ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S
Hyrbrid: Mizuno CLK 19* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB
Irons: Nike Vapor Pro Combo (4-PW) Dynamic Gold Pro S300
Wedges: Bridgestone Tour B XW-1 50*, 54*, & 58* Nippon Modus 3 105
Putter: Scotty Cameron Futura 6m 33"
Ball: Bridgestone Tour B XS
Bag: 2017 Titleist Players 5 Stand Bag

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41 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

This is helpful, thanks for putting it together and updating!  Am I the only one who is really curious to see how these compare?

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Nope, I am too. I still have a bunch in my garage. Also looking forward to the Vice Pro, once they get logistics figured out.

I have been playing Srixon Z-stars lately, so it's gonna feel like a really long wait for that one to come out. 

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We have some new balls to add, but I need confirmation about one...

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Obviously, the Top Flite Gamer and Maxfli Tour X are new to the list. It also appears the new Titleist Tour Speed golf ball has been added based on the box design. As for the Oncore golf balls in the bottom right, I'm really not sure. I'm looking online to try and identify them right now and it appears they are most likely the new Vero X1. What do you guys think?

EDIT: For a quick refresher - The Maxfli Tour X is a 4-PC Cast Urethane ball, Titleist Tour Speed is a 3-PC Thermoplastic Injected Urethane ball, Top Flite Gamer is a 3-PC Ionomer ball, and the Oncore Vero X1 is the company's new 4-PC Cast Urethane golf ball.

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Driver: Mizuno ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S
Fairway Wood: Mizuno ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S
Hyrbrid: Mizuno CLK 19* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB
Irons: Nike Vapor Pro Combo (4-PW) Dynamic Gold Pro S300
Wedges: Bridgestone Tour B XW-1 50*, 54*, & 58* Nippon Modus 3 105
Putter: Scotty Cameron Futura 6m 33"
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The TP5 report has been released and info added to the quick reference. Another great write-up for Tony!

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Fairway Wood: Mizuno ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S
Hyrbrid: Mizuno CLK 19* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB
Irons: Nike Vapor Pro Combo (4-PW) Dynamic Gold Pro S300
Wedges: Bridgestone Tour B XW-1 50*, 54*, & 58* Nippon Modus 3 105
Putter: Scotty Cameron Futura 6m 33"
Ball: Bridgestone Tour B XS
Bag: 2017 Titleist Players 5 Stand Bag

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I'll be interested which price per dozen they use for the Z-star. I just grabbed a dozen at WalMart for $24.97.

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I'll be interested which price per dozen they use for the Z-star. I just grabbed a dozen at WalMart for $24.97.

Probably the $39.99 MSRP.


https://www.srixon.com/us/balls/golf-balls/z-star-golf-balls/MZSTAR18.html?dwvar_MZSTAR18_color=pure-white

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Wedge:  :cleveland-small: 588 54-14, 58-12
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3 hours ago, cnosil said:

Agreed. Most shops will be selling at $39.99. Also, Walmart and many other big box stores (not specializing in sporting equipment) tend to buy up remaining stock of whatever previous year model is available and sell at a discount. @KurtActual, you may have gotten lucky, but it could just be that you purchased the previous model at a discounted price. I'm not familiar enough with Srixon to know the difference in packaging and labeling from one year to the next, but I have definitely seen them do this with Bridgestone and Titleist golf balls.

EDIT: Was curious what the differences might be so I looked online and saw these at Walmart.com and Srixon.com. I'd be interested to know which packaging you have.

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Fairway Wood: Mizuno ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S
Hyrbrid: Mizuno CLK 19* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB
Irons: Nike Vapor Pro Combo (4-PW) Dynamic Gold Pro S300
Wedges: Bridgestone Tour B XW-1 50*, 54*, & 58* Nippon Modus 3 105
Putter: Scotty Cameron Futura 6m 33"
Ball: Bridgestone Tour B XS
Bag: 2017 Titleist Players 5 Stand Bag

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I'll throw in my 2 cents on Srixon.  I'm fairly sure the dozens for $25 are Gen 5 and not Gen 6 Z Stars and I'm also willing to bet that us average folks, can't tell a difference between the two on the course.  The Walmart here has the same price on the Z Stars that are on the shelf.

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Driver: Cobra Speedzone 10.5 Mitsubishi AV Blue S flex

Wood: Cobra Bio Cell 3-4 Grafalloy Pro Launch Blue (low launch original version) S flex

Hybrids: Taylormade GAPR 3 KBS graphite shaft

              Strata 4 and 5 hybrids R flex

Irons: Strata 6-PW R flex

Wedges: Texan Classics 52, 56, 60 R flex

Putter: Odyssey Red Ball mallet

Ball: Srixon Q Star Tour

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1 hour ago, AmishJason said:

I'll throw in my 2 cents on Srixon.  I'm fairly sure the dozens for $25 are Gen 5 and not Gen 6 Z Stars and I'm also willing to bet that us average folks, can't tell a difference between the two on the course.  The Walmart here has the same price on the Z Stars that are on the shelf.

I wouldn't expect much of a difference either. Getting last year's model at a discount is certainly still a good deal regardless, but in relation to Ball Lab we're only looking at current gen products - in some cases this might mean a 2019 ball (Titleist and Taylormade are good examples) due to the way product release cycles work. 

I will make a note that because these big box stores have a habit of buying and selling old stock, it is definitely worth getting familiar with product packaging from one generation to the next. Target provides a good example. This box of Pro V1x golf balls is the 2015 model and they're selling it at 2019/2020 prices. Granted, Titleist could be forcing their hand on this, but it's still important to note because why on earth would you want to pay the same price for a product that's two generations old?

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Even the Vice Golf balls currently for sale at Target are now at least one generation old (for the tour models anyway). Does it mean you shouldn't buy them? No, I guess not. Not if you're in a real pinch or if for some particular reason you really liked the performance of that specific generation of golf ball. You should always know what exactly you're buying though so you can get it at a fair price.

I digress... We've gotten a little off topic from the original question of what MSRP would be used for the Srixon Z-Star, but it seemed like a good opportunity to share some knowledge as well.

@KurtActual, I hope none of my comments come off as condescending or elitist about buying previous gen products. That is certainly not my intentions. When you posted about the deal you got, it simply piqued my curiosity because golf OEMs tend to have a lot of control over their pricing and I wanted to see if you stumbled across something truly remarkable at that price point.

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Driver: Mizuno ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S
Fairway Wood: Mizuno ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S
Hyrbrid: Mizuno CLK 19* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB
Irons: Nike Vapor Pro Combo (4-PW) Dynamic Gold Pro S300
Wedges: Bridgestone Tour B XW-1 50*, 54*, & 58* Nippon Modus 3 105
Putter: Scotty Cameron Futura 6m 33"
Ball: Bridgestone Tour B XS
Bag: 2017 Titleist Players 5 Stand Bag

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AH @TR1PTIK, once again dropping knowledge bombs. I will quickly admit I am packaging ignorant. I just checked, and the Z-stars I grabbed at WalMart are the previous year's packaging.

I did notice the Vice generation issue at Target though. I wanted to try a Vice ball, and picked up the $19.99 box of Vice Drive balls (really cheap 2 piece) I sat in the aisle on Google trying to read up on them, and on Vice's own website they compare the 2019 ball to the 2020 ball.

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That's when I looked, and saw the Pro Plus they also stock at my Target was the older generation. I think there is a good chance that people shopping in-store at Target for golf balls dont fit the Vice Pro Plus swing speed category, but that's for another discussion.

Thanks all for enlightening me!

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2 minutes ago, KurtActual said:

That's when I looked, and saw the Pro Plus they also stock at my Target was the older generation. I think there is a good chance that people shopping in-store at Target for golf balls dont fit the Vice Pro Plus swing speed category, but that's for another discussion.

Funny story about that. I recently purchased a box from Target because I was playing a new course with lots of water and was tipped off that I may lose a few balls. Well, rather than lose any of my preferred Bridgestones, I decided I'd grab something a little cheaper, while still offering plenty of performance. And wouldn't you know it? Target is the closest thing to me... Haha I knew I was getting a bit of a raw deal, but I also saw the 1 or 2 generation old Pro V1s and Pro V1Xs they had sitting on the top shelf and figured, "at least I'm not that guy." LOL

I could have bought golf balls at the course, but without knowing what they carry and whether or not they were even letting anyone in the pro shop due to COVID - I opted for the easiest thing. All said and done, I only wound up losing two golf balls and have quite a few Vice balls to run through before going back to my Tour B XS.

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Driver: Mizuno ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S
Fairway Wood: Mizuno ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S
Hyrbrid: Mizuno CLK 19* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB
Irons: Nike Vapor Pro Combo (4-PW) Dynamic Gold Pro S300
Wedges: Bridgestone Tour B XW-1 50*, 54*, & 58* Nippon Modus 3 105
Putter: Scotty Cameron Futura 6m 33"
Ball: Bridgestone Tour B XS
Bag: 2017 Titleist Players 5 Stand Bag

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Finally updated the formatting. It's not perfect, but it's much improved. I've also seen several comments on the reports about people wanting to see compression data etc. in one place. I didn't give it much thought at first, but when shopping for a new ball it makes perfect sense so that has been included. Finally, Tony made a comment on the most recent report that a really easy way to compare the value proposition is simply calculate a percentage based on MSRP and True Price. I've included that as well.

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Driver: Mizuno ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S
Fairway Wood: Mizuno ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S
Hyrbrid: Mizuno CLK 19* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB
Irons: Nike Vapor Pro Combo (4-PW) Dynamic Gold Pro S300
Wedges: Bridgestone Tour B XW-1 50*, 54*, & 58* Nippon Modus 3 105
Putter: Scotty Cameron Futura 6m 33"
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When we get a bunch more True Prices, it'll be fun to plot them against each other on an X.Y graph.

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Thanks for the summary!

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Hybrids:  :callaway-small: XR 19°XR 22° (Regular Flex)
Irons: :callaway-small: XR Pro 5-PW (Std Loft/Lie, Regular Flex)
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°,54°,58° (Std Loft/Lie, Regular Flex)
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