Liv Golf Central Thread: Events and News

[mardukes]

3 hours ago, Birdie Fans Club said:

Should golfers who turned down LIV by staying loyal to the PGA be 'made whole' after the PGA merged with LIV? Curious to know what people think would be fair. 

I'm standing pat with my position from the start, take back every petrodollar you can get your hands on.  Anyone who believes spectator golf is an untapped gold mine and is buying in should be patted on the head and flattered of his genius.

[poprocksncoke]

51 minutes ago, mardukes said:

Will survive?  It's already been divided into Designated Tour and DP USA.  I was looking at the Deere field and said to myself, well many are playing the Scottish Open.  Lo and behold that's not until next week!  PGATour Power Ranking had Johnny Kuest (wave if you get that reference) #15 and he's not even a member!

If he keeps playing the way he is he will be after this tournament.  Think he has to finish T76 or better, something like that.

[chisag]

4 hours ago, Birdie Fans Club said:

Should golfers who turned down LIV by staying loyal to the PGA be 'made whole' after the PGA merged with LIV? Curious to know what people think would be fair. 

 

... Once Monahan shamefully used the 9/11 families as propaganda when it suited his purposes then turned his back on them when it serves his purposes, I really don't care what happens to any of them. 

[funkyjudge]

4 hours ago, Birdie Fans Club said:

Should golfers who turned down LIV by staying loyal to the PGA be 'made whole' after the PGA merged with LIV? Curious to know what people think would be fair. 

Absolutely not! They made a “business decision”, and that decision entailed rejecting LIV Golf and staying with the PGA or DP World Tour. That was the end of said golfers’ ability to claim any LIV funds.

[poprocksncoke]

How much worse can this get?  This happened on the 1st tee before the start of LIV in London.  

 

[chisag]

1 hour ago, funkyjudge said:

Absolutely not! They made a “business decision”, and that decision entailed rejecting LIV Golf and staying with the PGA or DP World Tour. That was the end of said golfers’ ability to claim any LIV funds.

 

... Interesting takes. To be fair, for some it was not a business decision but a moral decision. Like I said I don't care what happens to any of them but if Monahan promised me I would be rewarded for staying with the PGA Tour and also promised LIV players would be banned for life and then went back on his promise, I would expect to be rewarded. They would not be getting any LIV funding, they would be getting their reward from the PGA Tour. Of course it is all PIF now so I guess where the money comes from is just semantics. 

... But that said, if I took a moral stand I wouldn't care about more money. Hideki was mentioned earlier as someone that stood to perhaps gain $500,000,000 for his team if he joined LIV. Hideki's current net worth is estimated at $40,000,000. When is it enough money if you have to sell your soul? Maybe we should ask Bernie Madoff, Martin Shkreli and Elizabeth Holmes what they think. 

[mardukes]

2 hours ago, poprocksncoke said:

How much worse can this get?  This happened on the 1st tee before the start of LIV in London.  

 

Well, the Dodgers celebrated men dressed as nuns.  So, if these guys just wore long pants, I couldn't care less about this pre-game show.

[fixyurdivot]

Watching round 1 coverage on CW.  Not sure if it's our network service but they seem to have considerable lag at various points of the coverage. We rarely watch CW for anything else; perhaps this is normal? Smith and Leischman leading the way. Cam's short game is just plain sick.

[RyanJohnson_Official]

I just watched the Final round of LIV London and was surprised by how entertaining it was. The first time I tried to watch a LIV event, the lack of fans destroyed my interest. This time, the place looked packed and the golf was really, really good. Seriously, I was actually surprised. The names definitely help compared to the field at the John Deere too...

[mardukes]

“Today’s hearing is about much more than the game of golf,” Blumenthal said in his opening remarks. “It’s about how a brutal, repressive regime can buy influence — indeed even take over a cherished American institution — to cleanse its public image.”

U.S. Senate?  Hey, Dickie B.  tell us again about your military service and how it is you guys get off invading lives and the business of private organizations.

[Rickp]

7 minutes ago, mardukes said:

“Today’s hearing is about much more than the game of golf,” Blumenthal said in his opening remarks. “It’s about how a brutal, repressive regime can buy influence — indeed even take over a cherished American institution — to cleanse its public image.”

U.S. Senate?  Hey, Dickie B.  tell us again about your military service and how it is you guys get off invading lives and the business of private organizations.

I don’t want to get into politics but Dickie shouldn’t ever chastise anyone.  We lived in Ct for 65 years so know him well.

[GaDawg]

On 7/7/2023 at 7:17 AM, Birdie Fans Club said:

Should golfers who turned down LIV by staying loyal to the PGA be 'made whole' after the PGA merged with LIV? Curious to know what people think would be fair. 

Snooze you loose.

[fixyurdivot]

Bubba and Phil basically playing a home game this week.  I wonder what the league rules are on running into one's house for a refreshment or snack? If one or both can't find the top of the leaderboard here, they might not find another one. Kevin Na, Danny Lee, and Joaquin Niemann were all previous winners at the Greenbrier Classic and should give them an little advantage.

Greenbrier CC sure looks lush but the heat/humidity index has the "real feel" at 102F.    I've never been to WV; looks nice. I had forgotten about the announcement that this would no longer be a tour stop.  It happened during covid and kind of got lost in the churn.  Too bad because it's a beautiful course.  Maybe they'll return there again in the future.

 

[fixyurdivot]

Can't say I agree with Brooks decision to publically call out Matthew but it seems to have ignited a fire. Wait until Brooks gets the email from Greg that he has to attend mandatory sensitivity training .  Greenbrier is taking it on the chin from the field... perfect scoring conditions.

[fixyurdivot]

Bryson DeChambeau shoots a 58 and wins the Greenbrier.  Needed a 2 putt for the 59 but rolled the 39'-6" putt in for the duece.  That was the most impressive round of golf I've viewed... and I've viewed a bunch.

[GolfSpy_APH]

https://www.skysports.com/golf/news/12176/12981904/liv-golf-loses-bid-to-earn-ranking-world-ranking-points-at-its-events

Well no OWGR for LIV.

[Preeway]

Can't say I'm surprised but I did think the "merger" might have softened up their pathway. Still, three-day events with a limited field and no cuts is not going to do much to prove your tour is worthy. But getting points does seem a bit shady.

[chisag]

1 minute ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

https://www.skysports.com/golf/news/12176/12981904/liv-golf-loses-bid-to-earn-ranking-world-ranking-points-at-its-events

Well no OWGR for LIV.

 

... Hard to argue about a closed shop and no penalties for poor play:

"Regarding the limited amount of turnover among qualified LIV players, the OWGR letter said LIV informed the board on July 27 that 14 players will be invited back regardless of their performance, more than double what LIV officials originally told the OWGR. Also, as few as four players (three from the LIV Promotions Event and one from the Asian Tour International Series) may join LIV in 2024 with the other participants selected by LIV management".

[Middler]

17 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

https://www.skysports.com/golf/news/12176/12981904/liv-golf-loses-bid-to-earn-ranking-world-ranking-points-at-its-events

Well no OWGR for LIV.

Good! I assumed the merger would eventually kill off LIV, and Norman's involvement - but I guess it remains to be seen if there will be a merger.

[Owengeorge13]

I can’t believe I’m just finding this!  LIV golf is incredible!  Great thread!

[Preeway]

3 hours ago, chisag said:

 

... Hard to argue about a closed shop and no penalties for poor play:

"Regarding the limited amount of turnover among qualified LIV players, the OWGR letter said LIV informed the board on July 27 that 14 players will be invited back regardless of their performance, more than double what LIV officials originally told the OWGR. Also, as few as four players (three from the LIV Promotions Event and one from the Asian Tour International Series) may join LIV in 2024 with the other participants selected by LIV management".

I think that right there is the proverbial nail in their coffin. I have no problems with the format and style of play in LIV. But it just isn’t a legitimate competitive environment. Nobody should be able to have a permanent captaincy. No team should exist in perpetuity. To kick out a few poor performers but allow Phil to retain his team? Get real

[Josh Parker]

3 hours ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

https://www.skysports.com/golf/news/12176/12981904/liv-golf-loses-bid-to-earn-ranking-world-ranking-points-at-its-events

Well no OWGR for LIV.

I wasn't surprised honestly. Only time will tell what happens with the merger. I can't say I blame some of them for taking the money but there are consequences that come with it and you have to be willing to accept that.  

[Donn lost in San Diego]

Am I the only one who thinks it is easy to do.

1.  LIV events are 3/4 as long as regular, so winner gets 3/4 as many points as a 72 hole event.

2.  No cut?  Typically a cut is half of the field, so only the top half of a LIV event gets points.

3.  Relegation?  Huh?  If LIV gets pro rata points as I propose, I don't think relegation, a la futbol, is an issue.  If you perform well, you are in, if you don't play well, zzzzzz.

4.  The 4 majors we recognize are each run by a different organization.  Each organization can decide to officially or unofficialy allocate maybe 5 spots to the top LIV players, and one year at a time.  The Augusta is a private event so they can offer whatever they want, whatever they think is best.  The USGA is an OPEN, so they can easily justify allocating spots, and the R&A is also an OPEN.  The PGA Championship is different, but I think the full tens of 1000s of PGA professionals can vote whatever they want their event to be.  I suspect that they are not jealous of the LIV money to the point of not letting LIV into the PGA Championship.

[Golf2Much]

I was reading an article and quotes from Official World Golf Ranking board members about their decision.  Many felt they could find ways of overcoming the 54 hole and no cut policies.  From what I took away from the discussion it was LIV's "closed shop" policy that prevented them from being awarded OWGR points.  

[GolfSpy_APH]

7 hours ago, Donn lost in San Diego said:

Am I the only one who thinks it is easy to do.

1.  LIV events are 3/4 as long as regular, so winner gets 3/4 as many points as a 72 hole event.

2.  No cut?  Typically a cut is half of the field, so only the top half of a LIV event gets points.

3.  Relegation?  Huh?  If LIV gets pro rata points as I propose, I don't think relegation, a la futbol, is an issue.  If you perform well, you are in, if you don't play well, zzzzzz.

4.  The 4 majors we recognize are each run by a different organization.  Each organization can decide to officially or unofficialy allocate maybe 5 spots to the top LIV players, and one year at a time.  The Augusta is a private event so they can offer whatever they want, whatever they think is best.  The USGA is an OPEN, so they can easily justify allocating spots, and the R&A is also an OPEN.  The PGA Championship is different, but I think the full tens of 1000s of PGA professionals can vote whatever they want their event to be.  I suspect that they are not jealous of the LIV money to the point of not letting LIV into the PGA Championship.

The OWGR has set rules which all tours need to meet in order to receive OWGR so they can be appropriately ranked on the world stage. LIV doesn't meet these, that's the simple part. 

Also who knows if they even last for more than another few years. 

[RockerFCC]

I get some of the points about not being as competitive, but no points? It just all has become so political, do not like that and should not be such a big part of sports. I don't know the right solution, but this doesn't seem like it...

Edited October 11, 2023 by RockerFCC

[Preeway]

17 minutes ago, RockerFCC said:

I get some of the points about not being as competitive, but no points? It just all has become so political, do not like that and should not be such a big part of sports. I don't know the right solution, but this doesn't seem like it...

I don't think this is about politics anymore. I would rather see them have access to points on a greatly reduced scale instead of zero points but the whole limited field an no cuts thing is hard to look past. For that matter, there shouldn't be any points awarded to PGAT events that are also non-cut.

[RickyBobby_PR]

22 minutes ago, Preeway said:

I don't think this is about politics anymore. I would rather see them have access to points on a greatly reduced scale instead of zero points but the whole limited field an no cuts thing is hard to look past. For that matter, there shouldn't be any points awarded to PGAT events that are also non-cut.

The non cut fields were typically the world golf championships which required the golfers in the field to be in the top 64 of owgr. Yes like LIV limited field and no cut but since the pga and dp world tours met the criteria for their events to get owgr it carries over to these type of events.

The questionable one is tigers event that’s is limited field and not an officially sanctioned tour event.

[Preeway]

If Tiger and Rory’s venture gets any points then all of us should be screaming foul. 

[Josh Parker]

23 minutes ago, Preeway said:

If Tiger and Rory’s venture gets any points then all of us should be screaming foul. 

I can't see them even asking for points.  It's all virtual and it will be interesting to see if it survives.  The technology is going to be incredible but will people stick around after the first handful of events.  I was reading that the putting surface will have 100's of actuators that can mimic that particular hole exactly the way it is at the actual course.