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Would you sacrifice Distance for Consistency?  

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  1. 1. Would you rather hit your driver 270-300yds but all over the place, or hit 260-275yds and give yourself a chance to score.

    • Take Distance over Consistency, find the ball later
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We all love the long ball, but does that equals better scores?  Hitting the ball 270-300yds is awesome, but you get 1 or 2 of those shots a round (for regular mortals) .
would you rather hit a consistent ball 250-260yds (modest example) you know you will find it and its like right middle left of the fairway (depending on your shot shape) and have the opportunity to score in a more consistent basis.

Or do you feel, screw it, I want to get that big drive , it lands where it does, and I will try to get to the green from there.

 

 


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The goal of hitting driver is to get it to go as far as possible. If one is properly fit the consistency will be there from ball speed and launch. Course conditions, hole layout will determine end result as will strike location and start line.

There doesn’t have to be one or the other. If someone wants to swing all out on a hole to get a little extra that’s something that can be done when necessary. 

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22 minutes ago, MrBandit said:

We all love the long ball, but does that equals better scores?  Hitting the ball 270-300yds is awesome, but you get 1 or 2 of those shots a round (for regular mortals) .
would you rather hit a consistent ball 250-260yds (modest example) you know you will find it and its like right middle left of the fairway (depending on your shot shape) and have the opportunity to score in a more consistent basis.

Or do you feel, screw it, I want to get that big drive , it lands where it does, and I will try to get to the green from there.

 

 

What most everyone fails to release is that hitting it shorter doesn't mean you will be in the fairway. AND the longest hitters are roughly 3%-5% less accurate than the average. That equates to less than half a fairway every round. #sendit

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For me, hitting less than driver DOES result in more FIR but DOES NOT result in more GIR: so no real impact on score for me. But if you’re playing a course where wayward drives = OB than I could see it being a viable strategy and leading to a better score.

 

 

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I pick the longer distance option as long as I am not hitting multiple OB balls. 

If i am hitting a lot OB balls, then I would rather be back and more accurate.


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Sorry but a scratch golfer hits the ball around 250 on average so while there may be a few who have to worry about such things reality is these numbers are out of proportion.  If we are talking theoretically though it simply depends on whether or not the 275-300 is causing a significant amount of penalties or just simply not in the fairway - generally speaking the farther you hit it without taking a penalty (by that I mean being behind trees just as much as OB or in a hazard) the lower scores you will shoot - it's simple math, you're playing a shorter course - that's why the average scratch player hits it 250, the average touring pro who is around a plus 8 hit its 290, the averaged golfer - a 14 - hits it 210 and so on and so forth.

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I was taught to the course management is far more important than distance off the tee. I always want to hit a full PW (120m) so I therefore subtract 120m off the hole length - i.e. 320m hole, my tee shot needs to go 200M which equals a 4 Iron.

Benefits.

1. Generally most golfers hit their 4 Iron/hybrid much more consistent than a driver, in my case I would average 80+% fairways hit. Driver <40%

2. Much easier to take a full swing than a 1/2 - 3/4 or 2/3's swing to try to hit 60-65m. 

3. To it is much easier to shorten your grip or go up or down a club if you need more or less distance + - 10m

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Consistency all day.

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I have no response for that, since I will never do either.

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Based on the votes there are people who don’t believe in math. 

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Based on the votes there are people who don’t believe in math. 

 

I’m about 18 yards longer off the tee this year than last year. I’m not sure why, it might just be my home course is firmer than last year. Anyway I’m hitting about 10% less fairways. I can’t remember the last time I was OB off the tee regardless of my distance. With the extra distance my handicap is 2 strokes higher this year than it was at this time last year. In my normal foursome the two shortest hitters are the lowest handicaps of the group. While I agree if you can bomb it you’re better off but you still need to stay out of trouble and know how to score.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Wedgie said:

 

I’m about 18 yards longer off the tee this year than last year. I’m not sure why, it might just be my home course is firmer than last year. Anyway I’m hitting about 10% less fairways. I can’t remember the last time I was OB off the tee regardless of my distance. With the extra distance my handicap is 2 strokes higher this year than it was at this time last year. In my normal foursome the two shortest hitters are the lowest handicaps of the group. While I agree if you can bomb it you’re better off but you still need to stay out of trouble and know how to score.

 

 

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Yes, scoring is a separate animal but statistically the closer you are to the hole the better your scoring.

If you asked golfers this year you will hit the ball 18 yards farther off the tee with the same amount of penalties, but you will hit 1 less fairway a round the adoption rate would be north of 99% and with a large enough sample size their scores would go down. 

I will admit that the question from the OP leaves a lot of interpretation.

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17 minutes ago, Wedgie said:

 

I’m about 18 yards longer off the tee this year than last year. I’m not sure why, it might just be my home course is firmer than last year. Anyway I’m hitting about 10% less fairways. I can’t remember the last time I was OB off the tee regardless of my distance. With the extra distance my handicap is 2 strokes higher this year than it was at this time last year. In my normal foursome the two shortest hitters are the lowest handicaps of the group. While I agree if you can bomb it you’re better off but you still need to stay out of trouble and know how to score.

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Wow!   18 yards further!  It's the ball.  It must be the ball.  I think we should roll back the ball.  OK, who's with me on this??

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Wow!   18 yards further!  It's the ball.  It must be the ball.  I think we should roll back the ball.  OK, who's with me on this??

Well I went from 226 to 244 so I think a roll back should seriously be considered. But if I tell the entire story I’ve been trying different putters about every round and that has hurt me. With SkyTrak I learned how to maximize my distance with ball and foot adjustments. In other words I’ve embraced the over the top swing and am squaring it up.


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Sorry but a scratch golfer hits the ball around 250 on average so while there may be a few who have to worry about such things reality is these numbers are out of proportion.  If we are talking theoretically though it simply depends on whether or not the 275-300 is causing a significant amount of penalties or just simply not in the fairway - generally speaking the farther you hit it without taking a penalty (by that I mean being behind trees just as much as OB or in a hazard) the lower scores you will shoot - it's simple math, you're playing a shorter course - that's why the average scratch player hits it 250, the average touring pro who is around a plus 8 hit its 290, the averaged golfer - a 14 - hits it 210 and so on and so forth.

Is that 250 adjusted for age, or is it across the board?

This is probably a question for a new thread, but how much would slope rating play a role in your decision? My favorite five muni’s play from the 114-133: I play the blacks and bomb and gouge at the easiest, but at the hardest the driver may not make an appearance all round.


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Sorry but a scratch golfer hits the ball around 250 on average so while there may be a few who have to worry about such things reality is these numbers are out of proportion.  If we are talking theoretically though it simply depends on whether or not the 275-300 is causing a significant amount of penalties or just simply not in the fairway - generally speaking the farther you hit it without taking a penalty (by that I mean being behind trees just as much as OB or in a hazard) the lower scores you will shoot - it's simple math, you're playing a shorter course - that's why the average scratch player hits it 250, the average touring pro who is around a plus 8 hit its 290, the averaged golfer - a 14 - hits it 210 and so on and so forth.

Is that 250 adjusted for age, or is it across the board?

 

This is probably a question for a new thread, but how much would slope rating play a role in your decision? My favorite five muni’s play from the 114-133: I play the blacks and bomb and gouge at the easiest, but at the hardest I’m up a tee and the driver may not make an appearance all round.

 

 

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9 hours ago, Micah T said:


Is that 250 adjusted for age, or is it across the board?

This is probably a question for a new thread, but how much would slope rating play a role in your decision? My favorite five muni’s play from the 114-133: I play the blacks and bomb and gouge at the easiest, but at the hardest the driver may not make an appearance all round.


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It's across the board in any number of studies including ARCCOS data.  The easiest way to predict someone's handicap group or lack there of is average distance off the tee.  Given that nearly all of us here have handicaps and none of us, even the few plus handicappers in our midst, are approaching a level where we could actually make a living playing golf there is no doubt that we will have tons of anomalies spread throughout our group.

 

Even when I was close to scratch ten years ago my average drive was below 250 - right around 240 (although it was the dawn of the shot tracking era so it may have been 5 yards less or perhaps more but doubtful).  That might I had to offset that lack of distance over and against others in my handicap group.  I did it primarily with chipping and consistency in other areas.  My current handicap index is 4.7 (I don't constantly update my status.)  According to ARCCOS its 3.1 BTW which I attribute to the fact that they don't have the blended tees that I normally play in the system and so they are crediting many of my rounds as being played on a tougher course. 

 

Here's my breakdown:  Driving 8.9, Approaches 8.0, Chipping 1.2, Sand 4.3, putting 1.4

 

It's easy enough to see that at my level of play one can offset a lack of distance fairly easily.  At the yardages that the OP suggested however you would be dead meat trying this stunt.  You better well be in the longer group trying to figure out how to keep it in play - my guess is that there is very little difference in regards to the strokes gained categories between best and worst among touring pros - a few strokes here or there is the difference between missed cut at -3 (last weekend) on a course that would have a rating of 76 and slope of 150 or -5 on the same course with the opportunity to cash a check for 250K (which a few of the -5's accomplished by having great weekends.)  It's a different game.

 

In general the closer you are able to get the ball to the hole the lower the scores that you will shoot.  If you aren't seeing that then you need to either work on your driving accuracy or your approach shots (you should be able to figure out which.) 

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13 hours ago, Micah T said:

Is that 250 adjusted for age, or is it across the board?

 

This is probably a question for a new thread, but how much would slope rating play a role in your decision? My favorite five muni’s play from the 114-133: I play the blacks and bomb and gouge at the easiest, but at the hardest I’m up a tee and the driver may not make an appearance all round.

 

 

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As Rev said it is based on Arccos. The problem I have with the way Arccos has presented the data is that it is driving distance. It is not driver distance. There is a big difference between the two and the presentation of the data is flawed. 

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21 hours ago, revkev said:

Sorry but a scratch golfer hits the ball around 250 on average so while there may be a few who have to worry about such things reality is these numbers are out of proportion.  If we are talking theoretically though it simply depends on whether or not the 275-300 is causing a significant amount of penalties or just simply not in the fairway - generally speaking the farther you hit it without taking a penalty (by that I mean being behind trees just as much as OB or in a hazard) the lower scores you will shoot - it's simple math, you're playing a shorter course - that's why the average scratch player hits it 250, the average touring pro who is around a plus 8 hit its 290, the averaged golfer - a 14 - hits it 210 and so on and so forth.

Those numbers where just examples,  not from data driving database averaging hundreds of various golfers and the rotation of the earth.  IT was just discussion starter, if we mere mortals are only averaging 210-220yds , and we are not  consistent , would we still take bomb it and deal with it, or do we take consistency .

Average course that most people play I would say is between 6300-6700 yds. No where near any PGA length.

 

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2 hours ago, MrBandit said:

Those numbers where just examples,  not from data driving database averaging hundreds of various golfers and the rotation of the earth.  IT was just discussion starter, if we mere mortals are only averaging 210-220yds , and we are not  consistent , would we still take bomb it and deal with it, or do we take consistency .

Average course that most people play I would say is between 6300-6700 yds. No where near any PGA length.

 

Thanks for the explanation - I'll play - it's easy - distance - I'm consistent as all get up - ask anybody who has ever played with me or look at the numbers that I sighted earlier - I'm limited by my lack of distance.  For me to break the next handicap barrier I'd have to hit it farther - let me do that and I will figure out the consistency thing - its way easier to become consistent than it is to add 15 yards.  There are very few people who play golf who aren't limited by how far they can hit the ball just like there are very few people who play baseball who aren't limited by how fast they can throw it. 

Back at whoever said that ARCCOS only used average drive there are other studies on the matter and all of them net between 245-255 with driver for a scratch driver - but since that's not that OP's point we can take that discussion elsewhere - and we have on numerous occasions. 🙂

 

 

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