Formula 1

[GolfSpy_APH]

The crash this year was at Abbey off the start. Last year well don't want to get into that debate, but we saw drivers take that corner more reasonably this year at high speed (Copse that is). 

I think the track and corners are fine, it is just driver sensibility. The mayham that ensued at the beginning of the race was very much fluke and a large part of Russell being on the hard tyres to start. Had he been on medium or softs I don't think all of that happens. 

[gavinski91]

Well silly season has started early, and it's next level this year!

 

 

 

 

 

It's like Formula 1 saw all the IndyCar drama and was like "Hold My Beer!"

[ParFore74x]

Interesting response from Piastri. Does he end up at McLaren next season?

[ChitownM2]

That seems most likely.  Thinking both teams release their drivers because McLaren doesn't want Ricciardo and Piastri doesn't want to be at alpine so it would seem logical that they could work a switch out where they both release drivers from contracts.  The important part would be to convince Ricciardo to leave McLaren for probably a smaller contract and potentially a slower car but one that may be better suited to his driving style. 

[Berg Ryman]

4 hours ago, ChitownM2 said:

That seems most likely.  Thinking both teams release their drivers because McLaren doesn't want Ricciardo and Pinstripe doesn't want to be at alpine so it would seem logical that they could work a switch out where they both release drivers from contracts.  The important part would be to convince Ricciardo to leave McLaren for probably a smaller contact and potentially a slower car but one that may be better suited to his driving style. 

This does seem most likely and even reasonable, which means it can't possibly happen. I'm more intrigued as an American to see what happens at Williams and the potential of Logan Sargent making the move up and apparently Yuki might be shuffled out as well at AT.

[GolfSpy_APH]

35 minutes ago, Berg Ryman said:

This does seem most likely and even reasonable, which means it can't possibly happen. I'm more intrigued as an American to see what happens at Williams and the potential of Logan Sargent making the move up and apparently Yuki might be shuffled out as well at AT.

It is called silly season for a reason!

The shake ups so far have been interesting and there are still so many possibilities. 

[gavinski91]

7 hours ago, ChitownM2 said:

That seems most likely.  Thinking both teams release their drivers because McLaren doesn't want Ricciardo and Piastri doesn't want to be at alpine so it would seem logical that they could work a switch out where they both release drivers from contracts.  The important part would be to convince Ricciardo to leave McLaren for probably a smaller contract and potentially a slower car but one that may be better suited to his driving style. 

I saw that Otmar said in an interview that he would be happy to have Daniel at Alpine. So maybe they are laying some groundwork to make that happen.

[Thin2win]

3 minutes ago, gavinski91 said:

I saw that Otmar said in an interview that he would be happy to have Daniel at Alpine. So maybe they are laying some groundwork to make that happen.

If Daniel goes to Alpine(it looks likely). He definitely needs to out perform Esteban or it will be his last stop for sure. The Alpines have shown to be very fast this year, solidly in #4 Constructors, so he wouldn't be taking a step back.

But the Oscar drama is legit crazy.

[gavinski91]

1 hour ago, Thin2win said:

If Daniel goes to Alpine(it looks likely). He definitely needs to out perform Esteban or it will be his last stop for sure. The Alpines have shown to be very fast this year, solidly in #4 Constructors, so he wouldn't be taking a step back.

But the Oscar drama is legit crazy.

ESPN saying they know of four different teams who have talked to Ricciardo in the past week - maybe teams think higher of him than we do.

[Thin2win]

17 minutes ago, gavinski91 said:

ESPN saying they know of four different teams who have talked to Ricciardo in the past week - maybe teams think higher of him than we do.

he comes with good sponsor dollars, so is a good add to a team. ALso, he doesn't crash cars and cost $$$ that way. he is probably more attractive financially then competitively, but he is still probably middle of the road as a driver. I mean, top 10 in the world isn't that bad....

[ChitownM2]

17 hours ago, gavinski91 said:

I saw that Otmar said in an interview that he would be happy to have Daniel at Alpine. So maybe they are laying some groundwork to make that happen.

I think that was more in relation to whether they would consider bringing him back.  The people at Renault (same team new name) were really pissed when he ditched them to go to McLaren 2 years ago.  The people running the team, specifically Otmar and others, are different than back then so he bears no ill will but it doesn't mean that there aren't others there that still do.  The corporate people at Renault (Alpine parent company) are still there and they might object to another deal with Ricciardo since they feel he screwed them and broke promises he had made to them.

 

15 hours ago, gavinski91 said:

ESPN saying they know of four different teams who have talked to Ricciardo in the past week - maybe teams think higher of him than we do.

I think it's been reported in several places that the McLaren is setup and designed to perform under a driving style that is different from most other cars.  Adapting to that style seems to have been a real problem for Danny so he might go back to old form if put in a more conventional car. 

[gavinski91]

1 hour ago, ChitownM2 said:

I think that was more in relation to whether they would consider bringing him back.  The people at Renault (same team new name) were really pissed when he ditched them to go to McLaren 2 years ago.  The people running the team, specifically Otmar and others, are different than back then so he bears no ill will but it doesn't mean that there aren't others there that still do.  The corporate people at Renault (Alpine parent company) are still there and they might object to another deal with Ricciardo since they feel he screwed them and broke promises he had made to them.

Can you imagine how much enjoyment Horner would be taking from this if Cyril was still at Alpine?! 

[Berg Ryman]

17 hours ago, Thin2win said:

he comes with good sponsor dollars, so is a good add to a team. ALso, he doesn't crash cars and cost $$$ that way. he is probably more attractive financially then competitively, but he is still probably middle of the road as a driver. I mean, top 10 in the world isn't that bad....

Also globally popular due to Drive to Survive and just his general demeanor, so could see cash flow in the merch market. Admittedly he's not the sexiest pick from a racing perspective, but a solid hand to have and I would think any of the 'best of the rest' teams would love to have him.

[mikeanthony]

Was going to start an English Premier League thread, but came across this and was happy see it … have been a huge F1 fan for most of life. Parents were born in Heidelberg, Germany and my dad raised me in open wheel racing with F1 and CART (pre-IRL days and way better) … and loved playing his F1 sounds CD whenever my friends were over. Lol

Anyhow, big Ferrari guy, via Schumacher … and this has been one of the more infuriating seasons I’ve ever experienced with them. Beeeejus Christ has Binotto got to go. And honestly, I think every #2 at Merc in their respective roles would have Ferrari on top this season if they were managing the team. Ugh. 

Have a soft spot for McLaren via Senna and somewhat feel for Riccardo. I vaguely knew of Piastri, but holy crap what a coup if he does indeed join them next season. Read his bio and the kid seems legit. 

And it’s absolutely wild to me that F2 champions can no longer race in F2 thereafter. They outta do away with that rule. 

 

[Berg Ryman]

For our gamers out there, anyone going to be picking up F1 Manager when it comes out this month? Channel your inner Toto or Horner... or more likely Binotto as you fail all types of strategies with huge budgets!

[mikeanthony]

9 minutes ago, Berg Ryman said:

For our gamers out there, anyone going to be picking up F1 Manager when it comes out this month? Channel your inner Toto or Horner... or more likely Binotto as you fail all types of strategies with huge budgets!

Especially when you’ve taken 8 of 13 pole positions! 

[Hobert]

Maybe Ferrari will right the ship after the summer break...but there have been questionable strategy decisions for sure.

My son starts as a freshman at the University of Texas in Austin in a little over a week.  I really think I need to head down to visit him (and the Circuit of the Americas) in October.

[mikeanthony]

2 hours ago, Hobert said:

Maybe Ferrari will right the ship after the summer break...but there have been questionable strategy decisions for sure.

My son starts as a freshman at the University of Texas in Austin in a little over a week.  I really think I need to head down to visit him (and the Circuit of the Americas) in October.

Congrats on the UT, Austin enrollment for your son. Wouldn’t be my first choice, but happy for y’all nonetheless.

The race at COTA this year is significantly cheaper this year than last year’s, and lightyears cheaper than the GP at Miami … and albeit, it was COTA’s first race in 2 years, it was an absolute zoo last year. 

The parents for one of our daughter’s soccer teammates went to COTA last year (no kids) … they said it was great, but def a first time/last time experience for them at that track. 

After waiting over an hour for Uber and Lyft to give them a ride from the hotel, as were others, one the hotel guests had valet drive his Suburban and take them all to the track for a big tip … and that was just in the morning. Once they got thru the gate at the track, it took them close to 2hrs just to get to their seat at the grandstands. It was shoulder to shoulder a sea of people and basically moving at a shuffles pace. 

With all that being said, I’d 100% still go! Just be prepared. 

[Hobert]

9 minutes ago, mikeanthony said:

Congrats on the UT, Austin enrollment for your son. Wouldn’t be my first choice, but happy for y’all nonetheless.

The race at COTA this year is significantly cheaper this year than last year’s, and lightyears cheaper than the GP at Miami … and albeit, it was COTA’s first race in 2 years, it was an absolute zoo last year. 

The parents for one of our daughter’s soccer teammates went to COTA last year (no kids) … they said it was great, but def a first time/last time experience for them at that track. 

After waiting over an hour for Uber and Lyft to give them a ride to the hotel, as were others, one the hotel guests had valet drive his Suburban and take them all to the track for a big tip … and that was just in the morning. Once they got thru gate at the track, it took them close to 2hrs just to get to their seat at the grandstands. It was shoulder to shoulder a sea of people and basically moving at a shuffles pace. 

With all that being said, I’d 100% still go! Just be prepared. 

LOL. Texas has a dual degree program combing Electrical/Computer Engineering and Business. My son really wanted to study both and the engineering school and business school at UT are both very good. That, combined with the fact that Texas waived out of state rates, made it an easy decision. Yes, wrong shade of orange and no green, but I'm ok with his choice. 

I can deal just fine with an absolute zoo at an around COTA. I would be one of the first fans on the grounds when it opens and would love every minute of it.  

[Thin2win]

F1 at COTA is awesome.  They have a top golf setup, there is good viewing without being in the bleachers,  and the nightly concerts would cost more then the ticket if you were just going to them.  The year I went my wife only showed up for the concerts. It was Stevie Wonder and Justin Timberlake that year.

 

[mikeanthony]

One of my absolute favorite tracks on the F1 calendar is this weekend ... and had to share this clip. Listening to this with the sound up and with headphones on is definite must, you'll be doing yourself a disservice if you don't. Enjoy! 

Also, this is from 2012, long before the turbo-hybrid era ... F1 sounds are nowhere near this level anymore. Incredible cars. 

 

[GolfSpy_APH]

Max is truly on a whole other level right now. 

It's kinda not even fair. 

[Middler]

51 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

Max is truly on a whole other level right now. 

It's kinda not even fair. 

Max is probably the best driver now, but the car has a lot to do with how good drivers look. LeClerc seemed to dominate when the season began and Ferrari was clearly ahead of Red Bull in developing their car. And the 7 time world driver champion isn’t in contention now that Mercedes is still trying to find the formula, he can’t even top Russell. 

[GolfSpy_APH]

Even though only one racing lap has happened lots going on. Spoilers ahead.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Gasly decides to get a new homemade front wing... Doesn't work then flips out at his crew over something. Time for hin to just get over to Alpine and start crashing with Ocon.

 

Sainz decides to crash out.

Albons luck keeps been awful all around.

Stroll looks like he is playing the F1 game sending it up the inside to start.

And I'm getting a twitch after another delay and me getting flashbacks to spa 2021.

[Thin2win]

I tried to dvr the race so that I could watch it this morning when I woke up. I even set the dvr to record an hour past the expected end time...

I got the first 30 seconds of the race restart after the delay.  so I did moderately better then Sainz getting to lap 3 1/2.

[Thin2win]

Russell with a win!  next year could be a good season with RB , Ferrari,  and Merc.

Verstappen has been unstoppable this year,  but still acts insolent.  Why not give checo the spot at the end? Max remains a horrible teammate. But lordy can be drive.

[ChitownM2]

Yeah Max continues to prove that he is the petulant little b*tch that he showed himself to be last season.  Seemed like he had moved past that this season but apparently not.

Also, good for Hamilton not giving him an inch.  I'm hoping that Merc has got the car figured out and can be back at the top next season so we can get some more Lewis vs. Max action on track. I'd love to see how Max reacts to Lewis having nothing to lose and dive bombing him into every corner and forcing Max to either get out of his way or risk both of them being taken out of the race.

[Berg Ryman]

I mean, look, you've got the title locked under key, wouldn't it be nice to have not only the Constructors but a clear 1-2 in the World Championship?

I will say though, ecstatic for George for getting that maiden win, looks a worthy successor to Hamilton to lead Mercedes once he's gone and I like that the Silver Arrows have seemingly found something here at season's end, maybe good momentum for the 2023 car and season. 

[GolfSpy_APH]

Well was a good race(ish). Sprint was much better. 

Kinda happy the season is at an end though. 

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My son and I really started getting into F1 last year, but man it isn't exciting at all when there is very little passing and Red Bull (and especially Max) just seem so much faster than everyone else.