Does this make sense?

[Shankster]

I’ve been putting some thought toward this.  And I’m sure we have discussed it on here before, but I sometimes get lazy and don’t use the search feature.

 

Does it make sense to any of you to have the loft and lie optimized for each club in the bag?  Fitting, from what I have seen is with a 6 or 7 iron.  
 

What about taking your whole set to a fitter, that has the ability to optimize each club ?

Worth it?  
 

Make sense at all?  

 

Does anyone do this?

[cnosil]

29 minutes ago, Shankster said:

I’ve been putting some thought toward this.  And I’m sure we have discussed it on here before, but I sometimes get lazy and don’t use the search feature.

 

Does it make sense to any of you to have the loft and lie optimized for each club in the bag?  Fitting, from what I have seen is with a 6 or 7 iron.  
 

What about taking your whole set to a fitter, that has the ability to optimize each club ?

Worth it?  
 

Make sense at all?  

 

Does anyone do this?

Makes total sense and is ideally something that should be done.   Loft adjustments allow you to dial in consistent gapping between clubs.  Lots of people make the assumption that a gap of 3* or 4* gives you the right distance between clubs.  Tools like Arccos have shown that this isn’t true especially as you get to longer clubs.  Essentially this is called a gapping fitting. 
 

Lie angle differences would be the same especially as you approach wedges and get into partial swings.  

[Shankster]

1 hour ago, cnosil said:

Makes total sense and is ideally something that should be done.   Loft adjustments allow you to dial in consistent gapping between clubs.  Lots of people make the assumption that a gap of 3* or 4* gives you the right distance between clubs.  Tools like Arccos have shown that this isn’t true especially as you get to longer clubs.  Essentially this is called a gapping fitting. 
 

Lie angle differences would be the same especially as you approach wedges and get into partial swings.  

I’ve always thought for me at least that I would have a proper set with a 5° gapping throughout.  Arccos is kind of showing that to be true as you mentioned.

Something that I will be looking into doing.  Pretty sure I could afford to go a degree or two flatter on the irons to curb some of the left miss… but this is just from the eye test, no data.  

[revkev]

This makes perfect sense - much of the adjustability that we find in clubs comes from trying to hit proper gaps, launch angles, etc.  If you look at the guys and gals on tour it's remarkable at times what they play.  They know exactly what they are trying to achieve.  

The more variables you can eliminate, the better.  Of course that type of fitting comes at a cost, for us.

[Shankster]

Just now, revkev said:

This makes perfect sense - much of the adjustability that we find in clubs comes from trying to hit proper gaps, launch angles, etc.  If you look at the guys and gals on tour it's remarkable at times what they play.  They know exactly what they are trying to achieve.  

The more variables you can eliminate, the better.  Of course that type of fitting comes at a cost, for us.

True… the good thing is.  I know for sure that the T100S will be used until the grooves are gone.  I love these clubs, so paying to get them dialed in won’t make me feel so bad.

[Kansas King]

I think it makes sense but I also think you are definitely headed into the territory of diminishing returns. There is a chance that you could have a better fit for each iron regarding loft and lie but I don't know if you would notice the difference. I don't know how consistent your swing is but I know that most amateurs swings probably vary enough that +/- 1* of lie isn't going to make a difference as our swings are going to vary each time we play. I think the same is probably even more prevalent relative to loft. I think the biggest difference in terms of fitting each club would be making sure the the shaft and weighting makes sense. Golfers that say they can't hit long irons generally don't have good swings but I would also say that for many, the long irons may be too heavy or hefty (swing weight) or the opposite. Getting a good fit on a 3 or 4 iron can be challenging for an amateur but I've found when they do actually fit, those clubs can be an asset and make them seem far less scary. 

If you don't mind spending a couple hundred bucks, I don't see any reason not to go in and see how all your irons behave on a launch monitor. You may find some interesting results. I don't know if the T100s are prone to bending from general use but you may find that you loft and lie aren't where they once were or you may also find they weren't ever correct from the factory. 

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[RollingGreens]

I’ve thought about having mine done this off-season using the arccos data to backup to see if I need to strengthen or weaken a loft for distance gapping purposes 

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On 7/26/2021 at 9:39 AM, Shankster said:

I’ve been putting some thought toward this.  And I’m sure we have discussed it on here before, but I sometimes get lazy and don’t use the search feature.

 

Does it make sense to any of you to have the loft and lie optimized for each club in the bag?  Fitting, from what I have seen is with a 6 or 7 iron.  
 

What about taking your whole set to a fitter, that has the ability to optimize each club ?

Worth it?  
 

Make sense at all?  

 

Does anyone do this?

Absolutely - that is how TXG suggests any competent fitter handle things.  Consistent loft gaps are pointless.  All that matters is carry distance gaps.  Same goes for lie angle.  Most good fitters recommend going flatter in the wedges because there isn't as much downward deflection (toe down) on wedge shots. 

If you aren't getting fit into new clubs then it still absolutely makes sense to do a gap analysis with your current set and have them bent accordingly 

 

TXG did a live gapping analysis of Matt's new irons two years ago.  Would be a great watch for you

 

[RickyBobby_PR]

On 7/26/2021 at 11:29 AM, Shankster said:

I’ve always thought for me at least that I would have a proper set with a 5° gapping throughout.  Arccos is kind of showing that to be true as you mentioned.

All things being equal 1* is about 2-3 yards of distance. Launch and spin are going to be what needs to look at to see what the loft should be. As for lie 1* for most people will not be noticeable 

[tribota]

Definitely worth it, regardless of your ability. Even a beginner can be set up correctly. 
 

As a “player” needs to be fitted to have accurate yardages, etc. we often forget that beginners through 10 handicaps can develop poor swing habits from ill-fitted clubs. The body appropriately reacts to these maladjustments in clubs. Too upright? Pulls, shut-face hits, heel digs. Too flat? Unprovoked fades, pushes, toe hits in the turf, etc. 

I’ve personally had forged clubs bend over time: bent with incorrect lofts, lies…. No one likes hitting a 7 and 8 iron with an eight yard spread!

Over time, it’s worth the effort and money to have your clubs spec’d when fitted.

My two cents

[heavygolffeels]

There are manufacture tolerances when building clubs. 1 degree off is not uncommon. Imagine buying a perfectly 4 degree gapped set, only to find that your 6 iron is +1 and your 7 iron is minus 1 degree. Now you have a 2 degree gap. And probably not a decent 10-15 yardage gap. 

Thus, yes. Ideally your irons would be appropriately gapped based on distances.