Popular Post GolfSpy_APH Posted June 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2022 As was stated in another thread, testing has taken on a bit of change this season, with it hopefully gaining traction in the latter half of the year. With that, as a mod and member of the community, I have my concerns, but truly want to see the better side of things even if we are at a bit of a crossroads. In the past we have done focus groups, but I think this can be used as a larger focus group from the community. I still want to see membership grow, I still want to see testing opportunities happen as well as this community thrive and prosper. I know testing is a backbone in getting new members in the door. The numbers back that up in that when we have a test week our registrations double to triple. In the case of larger tests we see that number increase by 9 or 10 times. So what is the basis of this thread? I want to reach out to you the community to help us mods figure out the direction and future of MGS Forum with the current structure. We are after all as mods, still members of the community. Some of these questions I've asked before in other threads, but feel this is deserving of its own dedicated thread. What brought you to the forum? What made you stay? If testing is more limited in the future (again hopefully not, but if) how would you suggest we grow the forum? Would growth on Social Media help? If yes, what accounts should we look at for the Forum? What do other forums have which we can use or bring over the MGS Forum which will help grow a productive membership? This could be features, contests, activities or anything. What is the core identity of MGS Forum in your opinion? We have done a fair bit so far this season in bringing new features to the forum some of which include - Community Map - Course Reviews in Community Map - Beta Testing for Member Review (Link will only work if you have asked for beta tag permission) - New Stock Up/Stock Down from our Content Hunter - Themes (Beta users have access to all themes) - Chatbox feature - underused at the moment - Messenger Live system also available and may be introduced soon - Major Pools by Titleist - and more Thanks all for reading and hope to keep this discussion in a productive manner as to help us best improve the forum now and for the future. JerBooth, GrumpyGolf, GolfSpy_BOS and 7 others 10 Quote as of Oct 5, 2024 (Past WITB) Driver: GT2 with Graphite Design AD CQ - check out the Driver Shootout! Wood: GT2 with Graphite Design AD CQ shaft (still love my Cobra F7's) Irons: T Series - T200 5 Iron T150 6-9 Iron Wedge: Toura Golf - A Spec 53,57 or SM10 45,49,53,57 degree wedges Putter: LINK! Full putter shootout incoming Balls: Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange) Golf Bag: Ghost Anyday 5.0 Golf bag - Maverick colorway with MGS Logo Other: Vortex Anarch Rangefinder, searching for electric cart, Red Rooster The Root Glove and more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bens197 Posted June 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2022 It’s two things for me that’s kept me here. Testing and the general dialogue amongst the membership. I’ve been around for 5 years now and the opportunities are not what they were. I’ve also noticed that other forums like THP and WRX have had some tests that we were not offered to MGS. I can only assume there is a lot more to this and politics / recruiting can be a dirty game. For years there was an anticipatory PING and Callaway driver test, a Titleist driver test, an annual PING iron test a lot of putters. Keeping a competitive edge in the forums and managing not just recruitment but retention does rely heavily upon testing. If the opportunities aren’t there, people are going to start asking questions and looking elsewhere. I wanted to add this. You’d asked what is the core identity of MGS? From this side of the screen, it’s about finding the best gear for you regardless of whose name is on the sole. GaDawg, Nolan220, GolfSpy_SHARK and 21 others 22 2 Quote PING G400 LST Mitsubishi Tensei White 60X TaylorMade SIM2 3 wood Fujilkura Ventus Blue 7-X Titleist U505 2 Tensei 1K Black 85 X Titleist T100 4-P Nippon Modus 3 120X PING S159 50-S 55-H 59-T DG X100 L.A.B. MEZZ Max Broom Accra 47" 79.5* Srixon Z-Star XV Currently testing the 2024 PING S159 wedges… https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/63483-testers-announced-ping-s159-wedges/ Was testing, still loving the 2023 Titleist T100 Irons 4-P https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/60456-titleist-t-series-irons-2023-forum-review/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PMookie Posted June 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2022 Why do people come to any of the major golf sites: 1. Testing opportunities 2. Early pics of to-be-released equipment 3. Info on newly-released equipment 4. Reviews on newly released equipment to gauge whether one feels it might be a club, or clubs, they should try 5. Online banter in forums on information one seeks to gain related to golf 6. Selling equipment Pretty much the top ones I can think of. Why did I come here, specifically? And what kept me here? 1. Another forum’s owner is a douche, and their HQ had their hands on everything. (WARNING! WARNING! WARNING!) Our owner isn’t a douche, by any means, Adam is great, but HQ intervening here when they never have before hasn’t been good for the forum… 2. I ALWAYS came to MGS to see Spy Pics!!! I rarely posted or participated, I just wanted to see the new equipment. 3. Forum testing opportunities with a smaller group of potential candidates. I knew with the smaller number of folks here at the time over 10 years ago I’d have a better chance of getting selected to test. I think Srixon MTB was my first opportunity. 4. Small numbers, great forum interaction. Because we weren’t so big, forum interaction was better than where I had been. More tightly knit group of guys, more of a friendly atmosphere that didn’t feel like HQ would butt-in and start intervening. 5. Developed a good reputation over time because of the small community. I come to MGS multiple times a day. I may not always post, but it’s where I go and have made good friendships that moved from virtual to real-life. I haven’t been selected for a club review in over four years. Never a major OEM too, but I’m still here and participate because of this tight-knit group, my friends, and the banter. I’m one of the ones that’s been here from the start and it has been a great place for me, I just hope the quest for “numbers” slows at some point. ”New members” due to advertising testing opportunities aren’t REALLY new members… Members are folks who come to the forum, participate, and stay. The relationship of members who stay and testing opportunities, I would agree, is very important! If folks see there aren’t testing opportunities long-run, they’ll leave. HQ needs to step-back and let the mods run things again if they want REAL membership numbers to increase, and our mods need to continue to be honest with us as well. Can’t hide behind the computer screen. Gotta give the good with the bad, and listen… It’s what GREAT companies/people do. Thanks for trying to help this be a better place for another 10+ years for me!!! MyWifesSwingCoach, GolfSpy_SHARK, DiscipleofPenick and 22 others 21 4 Quote Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post null Posted June 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2022 1 hour ago, bens197 said: It’s two things for me that’s kept me here. Testing and the general dialogue amongst the membership. I’ve been around for 5 years now and the opportunities are not what they were. I’ve also noticed that other forums like THP and WRX have had some tests that we were not offered to MGS. I can only assume there is a lot more to this and politics / recruiting can be a dirty game. For years there was an anticipatory PING and Callaway driver test, a Titleist driver test, an annual PING iron test a lot of putters. Keeping a competitive edge in the forums and managing not just recruitment but retention does rely heavily upon testing. If the opportunities aren’t there, people are going to start asking questions and looking elsewhere. I wanted to add this. You’d asked what is the core identity of MGS? From this side of the screen, it’s about finding the best gear for you regardless of whose name is on the sole. 21 minutes ago, PMookie said: Why do people come to any of the major golf sites: 1. Testing opportunities 2. Early pics of to-be-released equipment 3. Info on newly-released equipment 4. Reviews on newly released equipment to gauge whether one feels it might be a club, or clubs, they should try 5. Online banter in forums on information one seeks to gain related to golf 6. Selling equipment Pretty much the top ones I can think of. Why did I come here, specifically? 1. Another forum’s owner is a douche, and their HQ had their hands on everything. (WARNING! WARNING! WARNING!) Our owner isn’t a douche, by any means, Adam is great, but HQ intervening here when they never have before hasn’t been good for the forum… 2. I ALWAYS came to MGS to see Spy Pics!!! I rarely posted or participated, I just wanted to see the new equipment. 3. Forum testing opportunities with a smaller group of potential candidates. I knew with the smaller number of folks here at the time over 10 years ago I’d have a better chance of getting selected to test. I think Srixon MTB was my first opportunity. 4. Small numbers, great forum interaction. Because we weren’t so big, forum interaction was better than where I had been. More tightly knit group of guys, more of a friendly atmosphere that didn’t feel like HQ would butt-in and start intervening. 5. Developed a good reputation over time because of the small community. I come to MGS multiple times a day. I may not always post, but it’s where I go and have made good friendships that moved from virtual to real-life. I haven’t been selected for a club review in over four years. Never a major OEM too, but I’m still here and participate because of this tight-knit group, my friends, and the banter. I’m one of the ones that’s been here from the start and it has been a great place for me, I just hope the quest for “numbers” slows at some point. ”New members” due to advertising testing opportunities isn’t REALLY new members… Members are folks who come to the forum, participate, and stay. The relationship of members who stay and testing opportunities, I would agree, is very important! If folks see there aren’t testing opportunities long-run, they’ll leave. HQ needs to step-back and let the mods run things again if they want REAL membership numbers to increase, and our mods need to continue to be honest with us as well. Can’t hide behind the computer screen. Gotta give the good with the bad, and listen… It’s what GREAT companies/people do. Thanks for trying to help this be a better place for another 10+ years for me!!! Really don’t have much to add to what these guys summed up perfectly. The one thing for me that I love is helping other people understand equipment and how it could help their game. I used to be a guy that thought switching shafts could drop my spin 1500 rpms. Through many years of asking questions and listening to people much smarter than me I feel that I have gained a ton of knowledge that I want to help transfer to others. The main two avenues for that are general discussion and forum testing. MyWifesSwingCoach, PMookie, Nolan220 and 14 others 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post russtopherb Posted June 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2022 Other members brought me to this forum. Because to be blunt, I wanted nothing to do with MGS for quite some time after some not-so-great interactions with some staff writers online. They came off as giant jerks and I figured the forum was the same. But I saw a number of posters who I used to see on other sites, members who always provided good content and solid info, and I decided to create an account. I was reassured that the forum was completely separate from the MGS site and there was a wealth of knowledge here, and that turned out to be true. I was lucky enough to be selected for a testing opportunity my first year here, which was awesome. Since I joined 4+ years ago, I've been able to take part in two testing opportunities. I won't lie - the aspect of being able to get brand new gear and be someone who can be relied on by potentially thousands of others to provide honest feedback is very cool, and a huge draw to the MGS forum. I liked that there was no fealty to certain OEMs and you were encouraged to be brutally honest about gear, whether it was an official member review or not. For a long time, that's what kept me actively engaged here - honest, no BS talk about golf gear. There was very little OT garbage and mods did an awesome job of keeping this place from turning into WRX. Sadly, I no longer feel that's the case. In my opinion there seems to be a much more antagonistic feel here than before. Mods no longer seem to jump in and keep things going on the right track, aside from Jamie from what I've observed (and I want to be clear that maybe there's a lot more going on that I and other posters don't see. But my impression is that there's one, maybe 2 mods actively engaged in being mods). My ignore list has grown drastically the last 6 months or so, long before the LIV crap started so it's not a recency thing. Traffic as a whole seems to be down. The fact that major OEMs aren't going to be involved in testing is a huge red flag to me about the site as a whole. Did MGS push things too far at some point? Did someone on staff piss off too many people? Was the honesty shown by forum testing TOO honest in pointing out flaws in gear and brand image? I don't know. It's great that smaller OEMs are being focused on to being attention to their gear, but when all of the major OEMs are absent here while they have multiple tests going on at other places... yeah something's not right. It doesn't help that other MGS outlets don't actively support the forum either. NPG is a shell of what it was. Tweets are more click-bait than anything else. I also personally find it interesting that former mods pretty much disappear as soon as their time is done. Not sure if it's burnout or what, but the fact that now former mods are almost never seen is another red flag to me. I wish I had better answers on how to grow the forum engagement, aside from having more info from OEMs, opportunities for gear testing, and just generally promoting the site & the forum in a positive way. cksurfdude, MaxEntropy, fixyurdivot and 15 others 15 2 1 Quote In my Big Max hybrid bag: ST-X 10.5* Kai'li Blue R Flex ST-Z 15* Kai'li Blue R Flex ST-Z 4h Linq Blue R Flex Halo XL 5i-DW CBX 54* & 58* ER5 Tour S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headhammer Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 What brought you to the forum? Saw testing opportunities on social media which caused me to become a member. What made you stay? Being selected as a tester made me loyal to the forum and then once I spent more time here it became all about the people who are here. While I still peruse a few other forums now and then the bulk of my onilne golf time is spent here. I think the people here are more mature, myself excluded, who can carry on a conversation and discuss alternative points of view without name calling or bullying. In another golf forum they go out of their way to say that bullying is not allowed, but the owner is the biggest bully on the board! If testing is more limited in the future (again hopefully not, but if) how would you suggest we grow the forum? IMHO, to attract and maintain new members without testing, the site is going to have to be seen as more of an expert resource. HQ is seen as an expert resource, but the forum is not as compared to other forums. Perhaps identify members who are experts, or want to become experts on certain topics, to post on a regular basis and be there to answer questions about said expertise. For example DIY Golf Stuff and Club Building are two of my favorite sections and if each had an expert that posted a project once a month and then was available to answer questions I think that would draw more eyes on a regular basis. Would growth on Social Media help? If yes, what accounts should we look at for the Forum? Social Media is how I and many others found this forum so it only makes sense to continue there. However, the social media interaction has to be both a push and pull of content. My experience with the current MGS Twitter is that it is simply a push mechanism. If you want people to follow you need to be seen as being responsive. I've interacted multiple times with MGS on Twitter, but have never received any response or even a like to my response. There was a post recently where they said something like "I'm really interested in your thoughts on X, but I did not see where they recognized people that took the time to respond to their response. "If you're really interested" in their thoughts show them by simply throwing them a like, it's not rocket science. What do other forums have which we can use or bring over the MGS Forum which will help grow a productive membership? This could be features, contests, activities or anything. I would have to spend more time on other forums to answer this question. But as the famous philosopher Charles Barkley once said- "If you try to change to get the 50% of people that don't like you you're going to alienate the 50% that already do!" What is the core identity of MGS Forum in your opinion? A golf testing site comprised of mature people who are passionate about golf and want to talk to other like minded people in a respectful manner. cksurfdude, fixyurdivot, MyWifesSwingCoach and 6 others 9 Quote Driver: Speed Zone 9* HZRDUS Smoke Yellow Shaft 3 Wood: King Speedzone 13.5* HZRDUS Smoke Black Shaft 2 & 3 Hybrids: Speedzone Recoil 480 ESX Shaft Irons: Speedzone 5-GW Recoil 460 ESX Shafts Wedges: PM Grind 54* & 58* Putter: Dual Force Rossi II Ball: Whatever I find in the woods HCP:18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MattWillGolf Posted June 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2022 Previous posts by those more eloquent than I have expressed much of how I feel about the forum. I found the forums via the MGS website. I started following to read reviews from average golfers. I also didn’t have a lot of faith in the reviews from the major publications but Golf Magazine did capture my attention when they started using “average” golfers to test equipment and offered a bio on each tester. I love seeing new products as they come out. I’m very much an equipment junkie. I used to look forward to new editions of Golf Equipment magazine. I have been fortunate enough to have been selected as a tester and am most appreciative of the opportunity. I have noticed what I’d call a decline equipment that has been made available for testing and have wondered what has led to that as I don’t fully understand what drives what equipment gets made available. I do appreciate the extensive thread on the Tester Selection Process. Maybe a Thread that outlines how equipment becomes available for testing. If this exists I’d love to see it. But a big reason I like the forum is the banter. Just pop over to the Random Thread and you will see why. I try to find humor in things and in this game we all love there are a lot of opportunities to find it. I tend to look for the positives in things. I have discovered “online” friends here, the list is growing, that I look forward to checking in with, multiple times a day. Why am I here? In a word, COMMUNITY. Nolan220, MyWifesSwingCoach, JerBooth and 9 others 12 Quote Anyday Maverick Black Ops 7-way 0311 Black Ops 8° w/Mitsubishi Diamana S+ 60 0311 XF 3 wood 16° w/Fujikura Motore X F3 0211 Hybrid 3 19° w/Project X Even Flow Riptide G410 Crossover 4 w/Mitsubishi Tensei CK Pro Blue 70 Paradym X 6 - GW w/True Temper Elevate MPH Official Forum Test SM9 54°/12° D and 58°/12° D w/KBS Tour 110 DF3 w/BGT Stability ONE Forum Test Shot Scope Pro LX+ Pro LX+ Official Forum Test Pro V1 3.5+ Tests No Longer in the Bag ER11v 34” Evnroll ER11v Official Forum Test Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kanoito Posted June 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2022 I joined long before there were any tests. Initially asking for advice on some shaft + head combo and numbers. The answers I got were friendly and encouraging for a beginner, so I decided to stay. Sadly, a lot of those members are no longer active, but if you ask me personally, the quality (technical knowledge of equipment) has increased it's just that sometimes the way of expressing it can be... unwelcoming for newbies. Now, like most of the responses above, tests are definitely a big attraction. Not having those would certainly have a negative impact on growing the forum. So the question would be why??? Declining quality of reviews? Disagreement with the OEMs? Now, @GolfSpy_APH mentioned what website sponsors might be coming up for testing, but none of those belong to the big boys. While I applaud the approach of not letting big OEMs buy reviewers, you can't deny they still supply 95% of the golf market and MGS needs to accept that if they want to stay relevant. fixyurdivot, Nolan220, GaDawg and 11 others 14 Quote SpeedZone 9* w/ Aldila Rogue Silver 60 S X2 Hot 3 Deep 14.5* w/ Aldila Tour Green 75 S JetSpeed 5W 19* w/ Matrix Velox T 69 S OR Super LS 3H 19* w/ Kuro Kage Black 80 S JPX919 Forged 4-PW w/ Modus3 105 S Vokey SM7 50/08F, 54/14F & 58/08M w/ Modus3 115 Wedge ER1 34" w/ SuperStroke Fatso 2.0 Pro / H2NO Lite Cart Bag / 3.0 / NX7 Pro LRF My reviews: MLA Putter // Titleist SM7 // PING i500 // PuttOUT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fixyurdivot Posted June 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2022 1 hour ago, PMookie said: 1. Another forum’s owner is a douche, and their HQ had their hands on everything. (WARNING! WARNING! WARNING!) Our owner isn’t a douche, by any means, Adam is great, but HQ intervening here when they never have before hasn’t been good for the forum… Pretty sure I know the forum you're referring too and, if not, then there is at least two of them . That was my first golf forum and, after stumbling into MGS, dumped that link. So that's what brought me to the forum (finding it via research on new irons). I had never heard of MGS before. What made me stay was, in order, the community of members and really insightful discussions from lots of folks, the testing opportunities, and finally the Buy/Sell. Okay, the mods know where I'm coming from on this comment but where I see an improvement opportunity is better support from HQ. My perception is that they really don't see the forum as a significant benefit to MGS - maybe we're not? If that's the case, I think they're missing an opportunity. If testing becomes more limited, I do think retaining (and certainly building) forum members will be challenging. I think the core group will remain but with all the various SM feeds, it just dilutes available time. It's pretty clear that testing opportunities bring in tons of folks who rarely participate in the forum. No idea what the stats are, but maybe 2-3% actually stick around after the tester selection has been made and they weren't chosen. Whatever the numbers are, I really cannot think of a more powerful recruitment tool. Rob's "Major Pool Contests" and what we are trying to prop up on the weekly "PGA Events" threads help (and would be better with HQ's help... ahem), but still not anywhere near as big a honeypot as product tests. Not sure about further growth on social media. If you're thinking about that as a mean of advertisement that MGS exists, maybe. But, as I stated, dilution becomes an issue. I mean just look at the FTx chat that would otherwise be taking place on the forum... which might spurn new threads and posts...which might grab someone's attention and into the forum. I would say MGS's Forum Identity is the connection to MGS's Annual Ball, Club, and Accessories Testing. The forum creates tons of chatter about these tests and that helps keep it relevant and serves as a sort of advertisement. Again, this is where I think HQ is missing the importance of the forum. And, on that note, what I'd love to hear is Adams take of the forum and where it fits into the entire business model. Nolan220, HeathS16, russtopherb and 11 others 13 1 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Official Review) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_APH Posted June 18, 2022 Author Share Posted June 18, 2022 1 hour ago, MattWillGolf said: Previous posts by those more eloquent than I have expressed much of how I feel about the forum. I found the forums via the MGS website. I started following to read reviews from average golfers. I also didn’t have a lot of faith in the reviews from the major publications but Golf Magazine did capture my attention when they started using “average” golfers to test equipment and offered a bio on each tester. I love seeing new products as they come out. I’m very much an equipment junkie. I used to look forward to new editions of Golf Equipment magazine. I have been fortunate enough to have been selected as a tester and am most appreciative of the opportunity. I have noticed what I’d call a decline equipment that has been made available for testing and have wondered what has led to that as I don’t fully understand what drives what equipment gets made available. I do appreciate the extensive thread on the Tester Selection Process. Maybe a Thread that outlines how equipment becomes available for testing. If this exists I’d love to see it. But a big reason I like the forum is the banter. Just pop over to the Random Thread and you will see why. I try to find humor in things and in this game we all love there are a lot of opportunities to find it. I tend to look for the positives in things. I have discovered “online” friends here, the list is growing, that I look forward to checking in with, multiple times a day. Why am I here? In a word, COMMUNITY. The what happened to major OEM test thread will go into how stuff becomes available for testing. Short version in 2022: HQ searches, asks, requests and leverages for tests. Most come from sponsors of the blog. GrumpyGolf, cksurfdude, MattF and 6 others 9 Quote as of Oct 5, 2024 (Past WITB) Driver: GT2 with Graphite Design AD CQ - check out the Driver Shootout! Wood: GT2 with Graphite Design AD CQ shaft (still love my Cobra F7's) Irons: T Series - T200 5 Iron T150 6-9 Iron Wedge: Toura Golf - A Spec 53,57 or SM10 45,49,53,57 degree wedges Putter: LINK! Full putter shootout incoming Balls: Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange) Golf Bag: Ghost Anyday 5.0 Golf bag - Maverick colorway with MGS Logo Other: Vortex Anarch Rangefinder, searching for electric cart, Red Rooster The Root Glove and more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hckymeyer Posted June 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2022 Joined initially for the huge contest/giveaway MGS ran to kick off the forum. I stayed because it was a small group of people that were passionate about golf and we had some incredible conversations. I've litterally made life long friends just from this forum. I've been on both sides of the house here as a member and former forum mod/director (and yes I'm still around and active). For the vast majority of the time on this forum it has been almost a completely separate entity from the main MGS site. Personally I feel like that worked pretty well. I'm not crazy about the direction MGS has taken as they've grown the main site. It seems very antagonistic toward the majority of OEM's. Almost like they decided that's going to be their hook/angle and they go out of their way to try and pick on the major OEM's. I've loved the forum side of things because it seems like we worked in a firendlier manner with the OEM's. Just the way it feels from outside (and then inside) and then back outside looking in. I can for the giveaways, I stayed for the community. Member testing has always been huge part of our community and without it I don't think we'd be a tenth of the size we are. It's really a numbers game, bring in a few thousand new members with a testing opportunity and we are bound to have a handful stick around and become wonderful contributing members of the forum. Without those opportunities I worry we will become stagnant. At the end of the day though this has always been a place for people who love golf to come together and talk about golf (and many other things in life) I don't see that part changing and that's a good thing. I feel it's our core competency and overall should remain the focus. Headhammer, jddaigneault, null and 17 others 17 3 Quote Driver: SLDR w/ Fujikura Ventus Black 3w: '16 M2 hl w/ Diamana D+ 82 5w: Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Yellow Hybrid: 22 deg. Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Black Irons: 5i - gap Launcher CBX w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Wedges: 54 CBX & 58 Zipcore w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Putter: Red 7s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GolfSpy_SHARK Posted June 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2022 I have nothing else to add. I came to the forum to test I will stay because I enjoy the dialogue. Some of the folks on here I hope and cannot wait to get a round in with God willing. i love golf and this forum provides me a little itch relief every day. silver & black, fixyurdivot, Shankster and 13 others 16 Quote Check out my reviews: G710 Irons Official Review I MC Shaft & V Series Putter Official Review 2022 Forged Tec's Official Review I Nitron Push Cart Official Review WITB: Weapons of grass destruction (link to WITB) Traverse is filled with all this shiny metal and tracked by RadSpeed 8* - MotoreX F1 6X SIM 3W - Project X HZRDUS Green U505 Driving Iron 17* - Project X HZRDUS Black SpeedZone 4H - Project X HZRDUS Black 2022 King Forged Tec's 4-PW - KBS $ Tape 130 48 (SM8), 52 & 60 (SM7) - Nippon Modus 125 S ER2VI PROV1X #19 Are you a veteran? Check out the Veterans Golf Association (VGA) Thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post null Posted June 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2022 3 hours ago, russtopherb said: Tweets are more click-bait than anything else. This. So much this. I finally had to mute the MGS twitter account because it had just become so sophomoric and full of click bait. It feels like a high school aged wannabe social media influencer is running the account. GrumpyGolf, PMookie, cksurfdude and 13 others 14 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post null Posted June 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2022 1 hour ago, hckymeyer said: I'm not crazy about the direction MGS has taken as they've grown the main site. It seems very antagonistic toward the majority of OEM's. Almost like they decided that's going to be their hook/angle and they go out of their way to try and pick on the major OEM's. I've loved the forum side of things because it seems like we worked in a firendlier manner with the OEM's. It’s like MGS HQ thinks the louder and more Golf WOKE they are, the more people will listen to them. Frankly it’s a niche that I don’t want to be a part of. Generally I’d rather get information from people that are wise and humble then wise and arrogant. MGS HQ and their respective social accounts are much more the latter and it’s a huge turnoff. But I’m sure it all comes down to $ and the bottom line. Rather than take ad dollars from OEMs they’d rather put intrusive ads in the forum, use click bait social media posts and take money from small/non-major OEM golf companies and then overly promote their products. cksurfdude, Shankster, tommc23 and 14 others 14 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bens197 Posted June 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2022 51 minutes ago, jlukes said: But I’m sure it all comes down to $ and the bottom line. Rather than take ad dollars from OEMs they’d rather put intrusive ads in the forum, use click bait social media posts and take money from small/non-major OEM golf companies and then overly promote their products. If this is the case, I don’t see any reason why they couldn’t take ad $ and operate in the same manner. I’ll get dragged for this but for the longest time, I’ve thought sub70 was getting a lot of mileage around here…more than most companies seemed to earn… It didn’t change the product, how it was tested or how it was received, it only made it a more prominent company on the forum. At the end of the day, the folks making the decisions have to trust the people who are reviewing and testing product. If you believe that somehow taking $ from some vendors but not all would corrupt your method then the method is already corrupt. MyWifesSwingCoach, GaDawg, Nolan220 and 8 others 11 Quote PING G400 LST Mitsubishi Tensei White 60X TaylorMade SIM2 3 wood Fujilkura Ventus Blue 7-X Titleist U505 2 Tensei 1K Black 85 X Titleist T100 4-P Nippon Modus 3 120X PING S159 50-S 55-H 59-T DG X100 L.A.B. MEZZ Max Broom Accra 47" 79.5* Srixon Z-Star XV Currently testing the 2024 PING S159 wedges… https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/63483-testers-announced-ping-s159-wedges/ Was testing, still loving the 2023 Titleist T100 Irons 4-P https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/60456-titleist-t-series-irons-2023-forum-review/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GolfSpy_APH Posted June 18, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2022 Again i feel it necessary to reiterate that the goal is not anything with HQ or their SM platforms. It is how do be build on what we have existing and make it better? What features have you liked that have been introduced? What other features on other sites have you seen that were catchy or ones which could be brought here? If this just turns into complaining about various things I'll shut it down. There is enough of that sort of stuff in the LIV thread. I don't need that here. For reference (on my end) ads are way better then they have been and I don't see them often or notice them. No pop up ads and compared to WRX way less annoying. So a win there in my books. So moving forward in this thread, what do we do to bring meaningful membership and help the forum grow as a whole. Finally for what it's worth my idea for forum identify is community and testing. Both a great engaged community and awesome tests both official and non where golfers can go and get good honest reviews. cksurfdude, MattF, null and 9 others 11 1 Quote as of Oct 5, 2024 (Past WITB) Driver: GT2 with Graphite Design AD CQ - check out the Driver Shootout! Wood: GT2 with Graphite Design AD CQ shaft (still love my Cobra F7's) Irons: T Series - T200 5 Iron T150 6-9 Iron Wedge: Toura Golf - A Spec 53,57 or SM10 45,49,53,57 degree wedges Putter: LINK! Full putter shootout incoming Balls: Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange) Golf Bag: Ghost Anyday 5.0 Golf bag - Maverick colorway with MGS Logo Other: Vortex Anarch Rangefinder, searching for electric cart, Red Rooster The Root Glove and more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ParFore74x Posted June 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2022 Ironically, I arrived here because I enjoyed listening to NPG and after I started lurking the forums I decided that I liked what I saw. Good people with interesting and funny conversations. I no longer listen to NPG because it is such a turnoff. Absolute snooze fest lately, hard to listen to. I’ll skim through the MGS ball and equipment tests but I don’t put a lot of weight into them for me. Still love coming to the forum everyday to see what everyone has been up to. Some of it is inspiring in my quest to get better. Some of it is educational in my quest to get better. A lot of it is just plan fun to read. Most of the testing doesn’t appeal to me in terms of me being a tester. I appreciate being able to read about other’s opinions and make my conclusions from there. fixyurdivot, bens197, silver & black and 14 others 16 1 Quote TSi3 10° w/ Mitsubishi Tensei 1K Black 65g TS2 15° 3W w/ Project X HZRDUS Smoke Black 6.0 70g 818 H1 21° Hybrid w/ Mitsubishi Tensei CK Blue 70g MP-18 MMC 2 iron w/ KBS Tour C-Taper S 120g JPX 921 HM 5-GW w/ Project X LZ 5.5 115g JB Forged 54° & 58° w/ Project X LZ 6.0 120g EV5.3 Black Official Tester Review Nitron push cart Unofficial review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russtopherb Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 1 hour ago, GolfSpy_APH said: Again i feel it necessary to reiterate that the goal is not anything with HQ or their SM platforms. It is how do be build on what we have existing and make it better? What features have you liked that have been introduced? What other features on other sites have you seen that were catchy or ones which could be brought here? If this just turns into complaining about various things I'll shut it down. There is enough of that sort of stuff in the LIV thread. I don't need that here. For reference (on my end) ads are way better then they have been and I don't see them often or notice them. No pop up ads and compared to WRX way less annoying. So a win there in my books. So moving forward in this thread, what do we do to bring meaningful membership and help the forum grow as a whole. Finally for what it's worth my idea for forum identify is community and testing. Both a great engaged community and awesome tests both official and non where golfers can go and get good honest reviews. How do you make things better? You address the reasons why things haven't gone so well, or have gone downhill. Like it or not, HQ is an extension of this forum, especially since they've inserted themselves into forum testing which we've all acknowledged is a growing concern. If you feel like this is just "complaining about various things" then that tells me there's an even bigger issue going on. Slapping a new coat of paint on a car with a busted engine still means you have a car that doesn't work. It just looks shiny. But it won't go anywhere. MattF, JohnSmalls, bens197 and 2 others 4 1 Quote In my Big Max hybrid bag: ST-X 10.5* Kai'li Blue R Flex ST-Z 15* Kai'li Blue R Flex ST-Z 4h Linq Blue R Flex Halo XL 5i-DW CBX 54* & 58* ER5 Tour S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_APH Posted June 18, 2022 Author Share Posted June 18, 2022 Just now, russtopherb said: How do you make things better? You address the reasons why things haven't gone so well, or have gone downhill. Like it or not, HQ is an extension of this forum, especially since they've inserted themselves into forum testing which we've all acknowledged is a growing concern. If you feel like this is just "complaining about various things" then that tells me there's an even bigger issue going on. Slapping a new coat of paint on a car with a busted engine still means you have a car that doesn't work. It just looks shiny. But it won't go anywhere. Maybe it should be stated as how can we as mods make things better that are within our control. The testing discussion is valid, but we have been trying to work with it for literally months. We have done all that we can and in the end that isn't in our hands. We have other ideas which can aid it and will disclose when we actually have something. So again what can we as mods to help improve this community that is in our control. GolfSpy_SHARK, JohnSmalls, MattF and 6 others 9 Quote as of Oct 5, 2024 (Past WITB) Driver: GT2 with Graphite Design AD CQ - check out the Driver Shootout! Wood: GT2 with Graphite Design AD CQ shaft (still love my Cobra F7's) Irons: T Series - T200 5 Iron T150 6-9 Iron Wedge: Toura Golf - A Spec 53,57 or SM10 45,49,53,57 degree wedges Putter: LINK! Full putter shootout incoming Balls: Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange) Golf Bag: Ghost Anyday 5.0 Golf bag - Maverick colorway with MGS Logo Other: Vortex Anarch Rangefinder, searching for electric cart, Red Rooster The Root Glove and more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Shankster Posted June 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2022 I personally would prefer less social media interaction. I found MGS after a long layoff from golf, looking for information on the RBZ Tour irons. I didn’t even know there was a forum for months, and when I did find it I didn’t immediately join. The Glide 2.0 test is what got me to sign up. I was looking for new wedges. The way I see it, if people stick around in a low period, thank you. If you leave because there are not as many testing ops… well, then that is on you. the thing that irks me the most, is the fly by night people that come sign up for the giveaways and then win the things without ever interacting with the group… and it should be frowned upon at all levels. Nolan220, GolfSpy_APH, tommc23 and 9 others 12 Quote Driver: Callway Rogue St Triple Diamond 9* 2 HY: Mizuno STZ 230 16* (set to 13.75) 2 Iron: Taylormade UDI 17* Irons: 2019 Titleist T100S 3-PW Wedges: Vokey SM6 54* and SM9 48* / Taylormade MG3 TW 56* Putter: PING Anser Ball: Pro V1 Bag: Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Shankster Posted June 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2022 24 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said: Maybe it should be stated as how can we as mods make things better that are within our control. The testing discussion is valid, but we have been trying to work with it for literally months. We have done all that we can and in the end that isn't in our hands. We have other ideas which can aid it and will disclose when we actually have something. So again what can we as mods to help improve this community that is in our control. I am not sure that it is possible… The forum is what we have all made it into over the years. Mayhe somehow getting more interaction on the testing threads, because I will be honest, I never even looked at the Nippon Shafts Thread that I can recall. MGS has been very gracious to me over the years, which I cannot begin to express how grateful I am. So, as far as complaining goes on that end, I can’t because I have nothing to complain about… besides thing I already mentioned. If you are not active, you should be disqualified from the Titleist events, or anything like that in the future. ParFore74x, Nolan220, MGoBlue100 and 8 others 11 Quote Driver: Callway Rogue St Triple Diamond 9* 2 HY: Mizuno STZ 230 16* (set to 13.75) 2 Iron: Taylormade UDI 17* Irons: 2019 Titleist T100S 3-PW Wedges: Vokey SM6 54* and SM9 48* / Taylormade MG3 TW 56* Putter: PING Anser Ball: Pro V1 Bag: Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chisag Posted June 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2022 ... I am probably in the minority but I generally don't care about testing/giveaways. I do really enjoy reading non professional reviews from everyday golfers of every level and sure if something is offered I am interested in, I will throw my hat in the ring and be thrilled if I am selected, but it has nothing to do with why I am here or why I stay. I am here for the camaraderie of fellow golf nuts that love the game, the equipment, the courses and the fun. I also enjoy departing some of the knowledge I have gained though the years to others and I am not too experienced to learn from anyone. I seem to learn something every day. ... My only suggestion is maintain tight control over content and posts. I have been a member of other forums that went downhill when allowing just a little latitude for aggressive posters that turned into an avalanche. I have quite a few on ignore and others I take lightly, skimming posts as they love to challenge others for no reason either than confrontation for anyone that does not share their views. You Mods do an awesome job and there is a core group of people I would consider online friends here and hope to play golf with all of them someday. sirchunksalot, GolfSpy_SHARK, ncwoz and 19 others 17 4 1 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... AutoFlex Dream 7 SF405 Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'Li Blue 70r Hybrids: G430 Hybrid 22*... Alta Hy70r Irons: P770 5-pw ... Steelfiber i80r TP UDi 4 ... Steelfiber i80r Wedges: MG3 46*/50*/54* MG4 58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Custom 5.1 (no alignment) 33" Ball: '24 TP5x/Maxfli Tour X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CarlH Posted June 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2022 I find that this is a good community of like minded people here. Sure, there are a couple of aggressive and argumentative individuals, but for the most part, the group is respectful of one another. I like that I feel as if the members here are golf buddies that I might actually play a round with. Having said that, the best thing the mods can do is to maintain this respectful community, snuffing out the trouble makers without being overly controlling of everyone. I got my hand slapped once for calling out a trouble maker and, although I thought the penalty a bit harsh, it was my bad to get frustrated with the person who prompted my uncalled for remark. I really do enjoy the reviews by the members. I've been fortunate enough to test a couple of items and have appreciated the opportunity to do so. Even if this aspect were to go away for whatever reason, I would likely remain a member here because of the online friends that I have come to know. Other forums that I've tried have heavy handed admin that is an immediate turn-off. One forum that I won't mention by name has an admin that is so rude and obnoxious (Mr Know it All attitude) that I quit visiting the forum, even though there was a lot of good content in the discussions. So, admin --- take that too heart --- Firm but fair oversight, like you've been doing in the past, will go a long way to retain the core group. Golfspy_CG2, ncwoz, Kanoito and 12 others 15 Quote Driver: Black Ops 12* with Cypher 50 5.0 Fairway: Black Ops 3 wood with Cypher 50 5.0 Hybrids: Black Ops 19* and 22* with Cypher 50 5.0 Irons: Gen6 6, 7, 8, 9, W, G with Cypher 50 5.0 Wedges: Sugar Daddy II 52* and 56* with Cypher 50 5.0 Putter: DF 2.1 -- BGT Stability shaft @ 34" Ball: Tour, Chrome Tour, Pro V1 Other: C10 Bag, glove My Photography can be seen at Smugmug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisag Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, CarlH said: Firm but fair oversight, GolfSpy_APH, GaDawg, MattWillGolf and 4 others 7 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... AutoFlex Dream 7 SF405 Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'Li Blue 70r Hybrids: G430 Hybrid 22*... Alta Hy70r Irons: P770 5-pw ... Steelfiber i80r TP UDi 4 ... Steelfiber i80r Wedges: MG3 46*/50*/54* MG4 58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Custom 5.1 (no alignment) 33" Ball: '24 TP5x/Maxfli Tour X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_SHARK Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 1 hour ago, GolfSpy_APH said: Maybe it should be stated as how can we as mods make things better that are within our control. The testing discussion is valid, but we have been trying to work with it for literally months. We have done all that we can and in the end that isn't in our hands. We have other ideas which can aid it and will disclose when we actually have something. So again what can we as mods to help improve this community that is in our control. I think it’s in a good place as a forum. Plenty of knowledgeable people that provide bountiful information. unofficial reviews are fantastic and those that make this forum great will continue to do those great unofficials and continue to be engaged. Unfortunately testing is what brings folks here I think. To expand the forum you need valuable testing. You mods do a fantastic job and keep things on the rails and continue to bring innovative ways to keep the forum organized and fun. I love the fantasy leagues and contests are a blast. Hopefully people stick around to find that out but there has to be a bait to do that IMO. bens197, Nolan220, cksurfdude and 5 others 8 Quote Check out my reviews: G710 Irons Official Review I MC Shaft & V Series Putter Official Review 2022 Forged Tec's Official Review I Nitron Push Cart Official Review WITB: Weapons of grass destruction (link to WITB) Traverse is filled with all this shiny metal and tracked by RadSpeed 8* - MotoreX F1 6X SIM 3W - Project X HZRDUS Green U505 Driving Iron 17* - Project X HZRDUS Black SpeedZone 4H - Project X HZRDUS Black 2022 King Forged Tec's 4-PW - KBS $ Tape 130 48 (SM8), 52 & 60 (SM7) - Nippon Modus 125 S ER2VI PROV1X #19 Are you a veteran? Check out the Veterans Golf Association (VGA) Thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMookie Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 What about some virtual team events? Could make teams, play courses at certain distances, use handicaps or not, and have some fun? Sort course length to be played by handicap or age, or both, have a period of time to get the round in, and then post attested scores. There has to be an app where we can play live… GolfSpy_SHARK, Nolan220, Larryw and 6 others 8 1 Quote Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanoito Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, PMookie said: What about some virtual team events? Could make teams, play courses at certain distances, use handicaps or not, and have some fun? Sort course length to be played by handicap or age, or both, have a period of time to get the round in, and then post attested scores. There has to be an app where we can play live… I think Grint hosted something like this... but never knew what became of it... GolfSpy_APH, PMookie, cksurfdude and 2 others 5 Quote SpeedZone 9* w/ Aldila Rogue Silver 60 S X2 Hot 3 Deep 14.5* w/ Aldila Tour Green 75 S JetSpeed 5W 19* w/ Matrix Velox T 69 S OR Super LS 3H 19* w/ Kuro Kage Black 80 S JPX919 Forged 4-PW w/ Modus3 105 S Vokey SM7 50/08F, 54/14F & 58/08M w/ Modus3 115 Wedge ER1 34" w/ SuperStroke Fatso 2.0 Pro / H2NO Lite Cart Bag / 3.0 / NX7 Pro LRF My reviews: MLA Putter // Titleist SM7 // PING i500 // PuttOUT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_APH Posted June 18, 2022 Author Share Posted June 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, Kanoito said: I think Grint hosted something like this... but never knew what became of it... They tried to do some monthly competitions, but got confusing and not sure what else came of it. We have enough shot scope and arccos users there could be something there we can do... fozcycle, JohnSmalls, Nolan220 and 3 others 5 1 Quote as of Oct 5, 2024 (Past WITB) Driver: GT2 with Graphite Design AD CQ - check out the Driver Shootout! Wood: GT2 with Graphite Design AD CQ shaft (still love my Cobra F7's) Irons: T Series - T200 5 Iron T150 6-9 Iron Wedge: Toura Golf - A Spec 53,57 or SM10 45,49,53,57 degree wedges Putter: LINK! Full putter shootout incoming Balls: Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange) Golf Bag: Ghost Anyday 5.0 Golf bag - Maverick colorway with MGS Logo Other: Vortex Anarch Rangefinder, searching for electric cart, Red Rooster The Root Glove and more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ncwoz Posted June 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2022 8 minutes ago, PMookie said: What about some virtual team events? Could make teams, play courses at certain distances, use handicaps or not, and have some fun? Sort course length to be played by handicap or age, or both, have a period of time to get the round in, and then post attested scores. There has to be an app where we can play live… I really like the thought of that, even though I'd have to imagine that could be a nightmare to try to organize. If it's possible I'd love that. Even just a Cobra Connect-like event that wasn't tied to that review specifically could be really cool, if there was a way to do it without making the mods all go grey(er ) 4 minutes ago, Kanoito said: I think Grint hosted something like this... but never knew what became of it... I tried participating, I believe there were some hiccups with the app that made it kind of buggy. @GolfSpy_APH to answer your questions, I originally was introduced through a combination of contests/test opportunities and was also just looking for a source of better golf knowledge, as I was a later adopter of the game and at the time didn't have anyone in my immediate life that golfed. I've been fortunate enough to do a few tests since being a forum member, but if I never tested again I wouldn't change my participation. I enjoy the community and golf banter, because I don't really have a place in my personal life to do so. I enjoy hearing about other people's successes and failures, how they work through slumps in their game, and hearing people's live-ish reactions to some of the Tour events. Through the forum I have met & become friends with @edingc, learned a ton about the game from folks like @chisag, @cnosil and others, entered into a competitive event I otherwise wouldn't have, and learned more about club building, general equipment, the golf swing, and shot tracking & other technologies. MyWifesSwingCoach, PMookie, sirchunksalot and 10 others 13 Quote Right Handed Driver: 9° Speedzone (HZRDUS Smoke Green 70g X-Stiff shaft) 2 Hybrid: 18° Exotics EXS Pro (Evenflow Black 6.5) (2020 MGS Official Review here) 3/Driving Iron: 18° UiHi Iron (MMT Utility TX 105g shaft) Irons: 4-GW T100 irons (Nippon Modus 120 X-Stiff shafts) (2021 MGS Official Review here) Wedges: 54° & 58° TSW Forged (Dynamic Gold S300) Putter: ER2B (2019 MGS Official Review here) Ball: MAXFLI Tour X Bag: Hoofer Lite WITB thread here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlH Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 34 minutes ago, PMookie said: There has to be an app where we can play live… GolfGenius is an app for both Apple and Android that can do that. We use it at our club for live scoring. I know the app is free, but I don't know if administration of it involves anything beyond setup. PMookie, cksurfdude, GolfSpy_APH and 2 others 4 1 Quote Driver: Black Ops 12* with Cypher 50 5.0 Fairway: Black Ops 3 wood with Cypher 50 5.0 Hybrids: Black Ops 19* and 22* with Cypher 50 5.0 Irons: Gen6 6, 7, 8, 9, W, G with Cypher 50 5.0 Wedges: Sugar Daddy II 52* and 56* with Cypher 50 5.0 Putter: DF 2.1 -- BGT Stability shaft @ 34" Ball: Tour, Chrome Tour, Pro V1 Other: C10 Bag, glove My Photography can be seen at Smugmug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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