Question on swing speed devices

[ILMgolfnut]

Suddenly I'm being inundated by ads for devices to help increase swing speed. The Stack. SuperSpeed. Rypstick. I'm sure there are others I haven't seen yet.

An extra 5-10 mph right now is the Holy Grail for me. Or maybe I should just do the Fit for Golf test without throwing in any other variables and see if that produces improvement.

Anyone who has experience with any of these (or more than one), what do you think?

Or maybe this question needs to be on a different forum?

Thanks in advance

[DaveP043]

You can probably read more than you even want to in this review of the Stack system.  I was (am) one of the reviewers, and I enjoyed the process, and am enjoying the results.  

Good luck!

[GolfSpy BOS]

It's actually a good question and I've seen a lot of people doing both speed training with something like FFG.  And also this:

https://fitforgolf.blog/2023/01/30/why-i-have-partnered-with-the-stack-system/

Mike (Fit for Golf) has partnered with Sasho (The Stack System) as his recommended speed training system.

 

[hckymeyer]

Another tester for The Stack system here, I highly recommend it.  I've completed 2 programs so far and started my 3rd.  So far I've gained 11mph according to the program.  I actually golfed today!  I'm in MN so Feb golf is a complete novelty.  it was 50 degrees and blowing 15-20 but I drove 2 par 4's and was 30yds past the guys I normally play with.  If that sounds fun to you I'll repeat myself.  I highly recommend The Stack system

[skraeling]

2 hours ago, ILMgolfnut said:

Suddenly I'm being inundated by ads for devices to help increase swing speed. The Stack. SuperSpeed. Rypstick. I'm sure there are others I haven't seen yet.

An extra 5-10 mph right now is the Holy Grail for me. Or maybe I should just do the Fit for Golf test without throwing in any other variables and see if that produces improvement.

Anyone who has experience with any of these (or more than one), what do you think?

Or maybe this question needs to be on a different forum?

Thanks in advance

Its pretty god damn fun to do, a decent workout haha.

[RickyBobby_PR]

Fix swing fundamentals and you can pick up speed and play better golf. Swing speed training for those with bad swings is making it worse. Confirmed by respected teaching professionals 

[ILMgolfnut]

Thanks for the replies. I guess the Stack test came along before I found MGS so I wasn't aware of it, but I'm not surprised we're doing it.

Since I do research for a living, I think about things like confounding variables; are the improvements I will make because of FFG or because of Stack? Plus, as I told Bryan in a PM, I don't have $350 to spare right now, having committed to Scotland in July. Maybe at some point during the test I'll change my mind. A 11 mph gain is pretty persuasive...

Edited February 8 by ILMgolfnut

[Mrs. Golf]

I just bought an aero swing. Swung it a few times just to warm up. But once the weather starts getting warmer I will start using  it for speed and tempo. I got it for 60.00 at Rock Bottom. Everyone else sells it for over a hundred. I tried using those weighted ones. But it just wasn't  for me. I can use the aero swing without hurting myself.

[ILMgolfnut]

Related question: If I am reading correctly, the Stack is with weights heavier than a driver, to build strength, whereas SuperSpeed uses lighter weights, which work on the same principle as downhill sprints for a runner, teaching you to move faster than you thought you could (as an old runner, I'm very familiar with that concept and did more than my share of downhill sprints in training). Do I have that right?

[skraeling]

Just now, ILMgolfnut said:

Related question: If I am reading correctly, the Stack is with weights heavier than a driver, to build strength, whereas SuperSpeed uses lighter weights, which work on the same principle as downhill sprints for a runner, teaching you to move faster than you thought you could (as an old runner, I'm very familiar with that concept and did more than my share of downhill sprints in training). Do I have that right?

my driver is 315g

The stack with no weights is 210 grams.

some combos of weights its had me swing weigh less than my driver and more than my driver.  Its all based on that % above % below weight of a driver being the best motor training (or something to that effect).

[Hook DeLoft]

On 2/9/2024 at 1:00 PM, ILMgolfnut said:

Related question: If I am reading correctly, the Stack is with weights heavier than a driver, to build strength, whereas SuperSpeed uses lighter weights, which work on the same principle as downhill sprints for a runner, teaching you to move faster than you thought you could (as an old runner, I'm very familiar with that concept and did more than my share of downhill sprints in training). Do I have that right?

No, they both use weights that are heavier, the same and lighter than the average driver.  SuperSpeed uses different clubs with the weights permanently attached.  With the Stack system, a single club is used with changeable weights.

[DaveP043]

On 2/9/2024 at 11:00 AM, ILMgolfnut said:

Related question: If I am reading correctly, the Stack is with weights heavier than a driver, to build strength, whereas SuperSpeed uses lighter weights, which work on the same principle as downhill sprints for a runner, teaching you to move faster than you thought you could (as an old runner, I'm very familiar with that concept and did more than my share of downhill sprints in training). Do I have that right?

The Stack uses both overload (heavy) and overspeed (light) training, in combinations developed by Sasho.  Each session will use both heavy and light weights, and so far every session has ended using the "reference" weight set, the weight intended to most closely indicate driver speed.

[GolfSpy_APH]

They all work. The main thing is they are work and effort. However put that effort in and results usually follow.

After superspeed I went from 102 to 112. I'm back down to 104 after not doing much the last year or so.

[Erin B]

On 2/7/2024 at 2:07 PM, ILMgolfnut said:

Suddenly I'm being inundated by ads for devices to help increase swing speed. The Stack. SuperSpeed. Rypstick. I'm sure there are others I haven't seen yet.

An extra 5-10 mph right now is the Holy Grail for me. Or maybe I should just do the Fit for Golf test without throwing in any other variables and see if that produces improvement.

Anyone who has experience with any of these (or more than one), what do you think?

Or maybe this question needs to be on a different forum?

Thanks in advance

I don't have experience with these, but I do get a ton of advertisements on social media. I have a couple of driver shafts that have broken tips and was thinking of trying to make my own. Has anyone tried that? I have swung the straight stick and it seems to work, but contact hasn't really been an issue for me. I may try one of e swing speed apparatuses some day. I just don't want to spend that kind of money when I need (WANT) other things like golf clubs lololol!

[cnosil]

31 minutes ago, Erin B said:

I don't have experience with these, but I do get a ton of advertisements on social media. I have a couple of driver shafts that have broken tips and was thinking of trying to make my own. Has anyone tried that? I have swung the straight stick and it seems to work, but contact hasn't really been an issue for me. I may try one of e swing speed apparatuses some day. I just don't want to spend that kind of money when I need (WANT) other things like golf clubs lololol!

There are a couple of threads on DIY speed trainers:

 

[Maddlestone]

I have also been inundated with offers lately. I started with SuperSpeed Golf swing sticks about a year ago and have been enjoying the results.  It is tough to gauge true swing speed increases on the course but I estimate the gains at almost 10 mph. I now out drive my playing partners by 20-30 yards and that feels amazing. 
 

I also started a mobility and rotational power program endorsed by Scottie Scheffler called Golf Forever in December and I believe it will indeed keep me golfing for the next 20 years.  The curated programs keep me engaged every day and it cures the morning stiffness in my back. 

If I had it to do all over again, I would try the Stack system instead of SSG  as I have heard Sasho on a few podcasts and I am impressed.
 

 

[ILMgolfnut]

Couldn't sleep last night so I watched YouTube videos related to Stack, SSG and Rypstick. I had not realized that the Stack app is only on iOS. Deal killer for me; I don't do Apple and not going to buy a device just to start now. Rypstick has an Android app; SSG apparently is web-based, no app.

Also, the R10 I just bought does not work with this because it doesn't measure club head speed directly. You gotta hit a ball. I guess I could train, hope I'm getting results and then find out when I actually hit balls.

[Maddlestone]

I have the Garmin R10 as well but I use a different radar devise to capture swing speeds with the SSG system.  Their website hypes the PRGR but I struggled with it capturing accurate results so I returned it. Instead, I bought Sports Sensors SSR364 Swing Speed Radar for $99 on eBay to measure swing speeds. 

[David C]

For those of you that have used some sort of swing speed enhancer tool, have you noticed any change in your swing?  I'd like to give one a try but don't want it to adverserly effect my swing.

Please let me know your thoughts

 

 

[ILMgolfnut]

1 hour ago, David C said:

For those of you that have used some sort of swing speed enhancer tool, have you noticed any change in your swing?  I'd like to give one a try but don't want it to adverserly effect my swing.

Please let me know your thoughts

 

 

Rypstick is arriving at my house today, so haven't used it yet. They claim it will affect your swing in a good way, make it more efficient or whatever. Basically they say you get your maximum velocity up to 110 or whatever with their system and when you're actually out on the course you dial it down to 100-105 and still get more distance with a controlled swing.

[unccross]

Do you have to have a launch monitor (swing speed measurement device) with all of these tools?

[ILMgolfnut]

3 minutes ago, unccross said:

Do you have to have a launch monitor (swing speed measurement device) with all of these tools?

You don't have to, but its a convenient way to track your progress.

[hckymeyer]

10 minutes ago, unccross said:

Do you have to have a launch monitor (swing speed measurement device) with all of these tools?

Technically you don't have to, but it would be like taking a test and never knowing if your answers were actually correct?  It would be very hard to tell if you are actually faster without the immediate feedback from a swing speed monitor.  For instance there are many times it feels like I am swinging out of my shoes, but it will actually be a few MPH slower than a smoother swing.

Also depending on the swing speed tool you are using it may or may not work.  I can't see using The Stack without a measurement device.  Haven't ever tried Rypstick so not sure what that is tracking.  Superspeed you could do the protocols without a device, but again you would have no way to see if you are actually faster or not.

[hckymeyer]

3 hours ago, David C said:

For those of you that have used some sort of swing speed enhancer tool, have you noticed any change in your swing?  I'd like to give one a try but don't want it to adverserly effect my swing.

Please let me know your thoughts

 

 

I have not noticed any adverse effects for my swing yet.  I've only got 4 rounds in this spring (but yay 4 rounds already in MN!!) and ball striking has not be negatively effected.  I'm on my 3rd program with The Stack system and have gained 11mph through the first 2 programs.

[cnosil]

3 hours ago, David C said:

For those of you that have used some sort of swing speed enhancer tool, have you noticed any change in your swing?  I'd like to give one a try but don't want it to adverserly effect my swing.

Please let me know your thoughts

 

 

I have heard people say it negatively affected their control.   I did superspeed for a while and saw no negative impact to my swing.   

[RickyBobby_PR]

On 2/7/2024 at 8:33 PM, ILMgolfnut said:

Thanks for the replies. I guess the Stack test came along before I found MGS so I wasn't aware of it, but I'm not surprised we're doing it.

Since I do research for a living, I think about things like confounding variables; are the improvements I will make because of FFG or because of Stack? Plus, as I told Bryan in a PM, I don't have $350 to spare right now, having committed to Scotland in July. Maybe at some point during the test I'll change my mind. A 11 mph gain is pretty persuasive...

At your handicap your best and most effective road is to improve the swing first. Speed training with a swing that’s not optimal is going to lead to worse results with the swing. 
 

I’ve also seen two trusted instructors touch on this on another forum