Distances for 7 iron

[PrismFlopper]

On 12/25/2023 at 7:56 AM, Josh Parker said:

I just looked at my numbers from the Mevo and the calculation is just about spot on.

I was doing the same thing and its not dead spot but for a starting point its pretty accurate in my point of view.

[PrismFlopper]

On 12/25/2023 at 11:26 AM, TitleistMike said:

It's a math equation at that point. The typical differential between clubs is 7-10 yards.

I was wondering what the accuracy of the equation is between different styles of clubs like between a high HCer cavity back compared to a bladed iron. Or is it just the ball striking and type doesnt matter… 

[PrismFlopper]

22 minutes ago, Bang60 said:

What's the guys name? I'd like to see his other videos....

Im not 100% its on Golf Liberty/ Matt Blois channel. So im assuming Matt Blois but i dont follow the channel it just popped on my feed

[Play18]

I'm impressed Matt can hit 7 iron shots at varied speeds. 

I'm 58 and working out to keep my speed decreasing and above 82 mph for 7 irons and a 160-yard distance carry.

[Franc38]

1 hour ago, PrismFlopper said:

Im not 100% its on Golf Liberty/ Matt Blois channel. So im assuming Matt Blois but i dont follow the channel it just popped on my feed

It's indeed Matt Blois who was often on the TXG, now Club Champion YT channel.

Nice video, by the way... It matches my numbers. A good, high, well hit 7i is about 1.9 times clubhead speed for me too.

[cnosil]

2 hours ago, Bang60 said:

What's the guys name? I'd like to see his other videos....

Link to his channel: https://www.youtube.com/@GolfLiberty

[Cfhandyman]

Matt does a very nice job with this especially with varied swing speeds.  The conversion factor of 1.9  is reasonably accurate for most. However, a whole host of factors play into this starting with type of head (blade vs game improvement/distance), loft of club, Clubhead and ball speed, attack angle, launch, not to mention where you fit it on the face etc. Needless to say, it can get complicated. 

[Dweed]

On 12/25/2023 at 10:33 AM, Rob Person said:

If I hit the ball pure, I get about 145y. Looks like I have some work to do on mechanics!  Good info!

But be careful @Rob Person. Taking into account your fitness level or like me, my loss of flexibility has an impact that says, I'll never reach more than 145. Do what you can do and don't hurt yourself trying to obtain what might not be obtainable any more. Just saying. Be careful first.

[Dweed]

22 hours ago, CrazyGolfNut said:

I enjoy the videos but I only hit my 7 iron about 130.  Looks like I might be taking up up dominoes or checkers.  

@CrazyGolfNut. Yes 7 iron at 130 yards? Cool for you. You are a 9 index man. Absolutely NOTHING wrong with that at all. Especially if you are still having fun. You are a rock dude.

[PrismFlopper]

On 12/25/2023 at 8:42 PM, CrazyGolfNut said:

I enjoy the videos but I only hit my 7 iron about 130.  Looks like I might be taking up up dominoes or checkers.  

130 down the pipe is alot better than 200 in the woods

[Bang60]

Well I have a Rapsodo launch monitor that gives me those answers and the "×1.9" is close, but after looking back at my old video my numbers were better but all these numbers are depending on how we feel on the day. And for me I could be 10-15 metres short if the body feels sore, a 7iron for me when I was feeling good is 135 metres carry now I'd say 125. But as long as I'm consistent I don't care what that number is as I'm focused on Dispersion, easier to the next shot from short Grass than the rough

[WFWP91]

https://www.longleafteesystem.com/#driver-carry-distance-formula

[Fred Mitchell]

17 hours ago, PrismFlopper said:

130 down the pipe is alot better than 200 in the woods

U just crushed a lo of my buddies feeling. 

17 hours ago, PrismFlopper said:

130 down the pipe is alot better than 200 in the woods

U just crushed a lo of my buddies feeling. 

[Fred Mitchell]

17 hours ago, PrismFlopper said:

130 down the pipe is alot better than 200 in the woods

U just crushed a lo of my buddies feeling. 

17 hours ago, PrismFlopper said:

130 down the pipe is alot better than 200 in the woods

U just crushed a lo of my buddies feeling. 

[Stuka44]

I watched about half of the video, and I have to be honest, if I heard the words "should hit it", "should", Should", one more time I was going to scream, which is why I turned it off.

Maybe its just me, but my 7iron, ACTUALLY GOES, 155 yards with my swing.  And this distance fits, for me "perfectly", with my 8 iron going 145, and my 6 going 165.  I appreciate the idea behind the video, honestly maybe I just missed the point,  but isn't that what the gapping of the lofts of your clubs are supposed to do, with ones "normal" swing.

I would expect that anyone who has owned more than one set of clubs, and takes the game relatively seriously, and is putting out the often high expense of new clubs, would have purchased clubs based on a pretty good idea, of what they needed to fill in any gaps based on the lofts of their previous clubs.

I can see "tinkering" with ones swing, ball, and equipment, to achieve a number, for how far they "should" hit a particular club as being fraught with danger.  I will not be checking how far I SHOULD, hit my 7 iron.

[GolfSpy_APH]

19 minutes ago, Stuka44 said:

I watched about half of the video, and I have to be honest, if I heard the words "should hit it", "should", Should", one more time I was going to scream, which is why I turned it off.

Maybe its just me, but my 7iron, ACTUALLY GOES, 155 yards with my swing.  And this distance fits, for me "perfectly", with my 8 iron going 145, and my 6 going 165.  I appreciate the idea behind the video, honestly maybe I just missed the point,  but isn't that what the gapping of the lofts of your clubs are supposed to do, with ones "normal" swing.

I would expect that anyone who has owned more than one set of clubs, and takes the game relatively seriously, and is putting out the often high expense of new clubs, would have purchased clubs based on a pretty good idea, of what they needed to fill in any gaps based on the lofts of their previous clubs.

I can see "tinkering" with ones swing, ball, and equipment, to achieve a number, for how far they "should" hit a particular club as being fraught with danger.  I will not be checking how far I SHOULD, hit my 7 iron.

You are right, you did miss the point of the video. That's okay though. It is not a iron gapping video. This question is widely asked and a topic for many golfers which is why it was produced and why this thread has a good number of comments on it. 

[Stuka44]

53 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

widely asked and a topic for many golfers

Ok, and I'm not trying to be a smartass, as many believe when I question things! I went back and watched him ramp up the speed of his swings, and multiply.  Then at the end he says that we all play with people some can hit it 170, and he comments should I be chasing that number. Then he mentions, maybe their hitting a draw, delofting the club He doesn't really finish this  thought, but then finishes commenting that "these are important numbers to have in mind". 

Honestly as a "non-numbers" guy I'm asking?

If my 7 iron distance "fits" with my other clubs, then why is that an important number?  If not perhaps an underhanded way to suggest to someone they need new clubs to hit their 7 iron, and presumably all other clubs, X number of yards further, then absent an actual yardage gap in clubs, what is the importance of it.?

 

[GolfSpy_APH]

26 minutes ago, Stuka44 said:

Ok, and I'm not trying to be a smartass, as many believe when I question things! I went back and watched him ramp up the speed of his swings, and multiply.  Then at the end he says that we all play with people some can hit it 170, and he comments should I be chasing that number. Then he mentions, maybe their hitting a draw, delofting the club He doesn't really finish this  thought, but then finishes commenting that "these are important numbers to have in mind". 

Honestly as a "non-numbers" guy I'm asking?

If my 7 iron distance "fits" with my other clubs, then why is that an important number?  If not perhaps an underhanded way to suggest to someone they need new clubs to hit their 7 iron, and presumably all other clubs, X number of yards further, then absent an actual yardage gap in clubs, what is the importance of it.?

 

Not being a numbers guy the video definitely wouldn't be catered towards you. Just saying. 

The question many people ask in bays and all around the globe is how far they should be hitting their 7 given their swing speed. This happens because 7 irons are often the test clubs. This video helps give them a simple answer. Swing speed times 1.9. That is a good optimal length for ones 7 iron. If they are way short of that number they then have a goal of how far they can hit an optimized 7 iron. 

Again it isn't about gapping, gapping would follow after they get the 7 iron in line. You have a set that works for you great, does your swing speed times 1.9 match the 7 iron distance? If yes, great you are adding to the theory he has. If not, maybe you are leaving something on the table with launch, spin or something else. It is up to you whether you want to try to optimize that further or not. If you are happy with where you are great, but then the whole video isn't meant for you as you are happy with your set and configuration. 

Bottom line many many aren't as happy with their setups, many have these questions and find these simple things like swing speed times 1.9 = optimal distance extremely beneficial when testing new equipment or trying to get the most out of their game. 

[taylorjonasher]

This dude is a freak with his speed and face control! Or else he took 600 shots and has a great editor.

Honestly in my opinion it doesn't matter what club you hit for a specific distance, as long as you know what clubs go what distances. I'd be happy with 120 - 130 yard 7i all day long as long as my dispersion was consistent (NEWS FLASH: it's not). The correct answer to how far your shots should go is entirely dependant on you, your swing THAT day, and how tight you can keep it to your target line. These numbers are great for those looking for impact efficiency, but let's be honest, few of us have the skill to consistently find the sweet spot and deliver less than 5% of deviation. Know how far you can hit each club and what your dispersion distances are and pick your targets accordingly. 

[Jim Shaw]

31 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

Not being a numbers guy the video definitely wouldn't be catered towards you. Just saying. 

The question many people ask in bays and all around the globe is how far they should be hitting their 7 given their swing speed. This happens because 7 irons are often the test clubs. This video helps give them a simple answer. Swing speed times 1.9. That is a good optimal length for ones 7 iron. If they are way short of that number they then have a goal of how far they can hit an optimized 7 iron. 

Again it isn't about gapping, gapping would follow after they get the 7 iron in line. You have a set that works for you great, does your swing speed times 1.9 match the 7 iron distance? If yes, great you are adding to the theory he has. If not, maybe you are leaving something on the table with launch, spin or something else. It is up to you whether you want to try to optimize that further or not. If you are happy with where you are great, but then the whole video isn't meant for you as you are happy with your set and configuration. 

Bottom line many many aren't as happy with their setups, many have these questions and find these simple things like swing speed times 1.9 = optimal distance extremely beneficial when testing new equipment or trying to get the most out of their game. 

a couple of comments about this video. 1- in the 70's/80's we used to use a 5 iron to gap properly, I don't know when the 7 iron came into play but I would think that the current 7 iron probably has the same loft as the old 5 iron, maybe that is why.

My takeaway from the 1.9 x is that it is quite accurate for me, when I was "fitted" in September, as I have said before, my fitter Laird White (you can google him, he fitted Bernard Larger, Justin Rose, just to name a few) called me "iron byron" because my swing speed, launch angle, spin etc. with a  7 iron was so consistent. Anyway my swing speed was  80 mph with my 7 irons which I now can use math (1.9x) to know that my carry distance should be around 152 and it is currently 148, so pretty close but room for improvement, probably spin or launch. 

So @GolfSpy_APH, you are correct in my opinion, like a lot of things in golf, this video and I think it is a good video, is just one more tool for our tool kit. I like numbers so it appeals to me. 

[CLenahan]

2 hours ago, Stuka44 said:

Ok, and I'm not trying to be a smartass, as many believe when I question things! I went back and watched him ramp up the speed of his swings, and multiply.  Then at the end he says that we all play with people some can hit it 170, and he comments should I be chasing that number. Then he mentions, maybe their hitting a draw, delofting the club He doesn't really finish this  thought, but then finishes commenting that "these are important numbers to have in mind". 

Honestly as a "non-numbers" guy I'm asking?

If my 7 iron distance "fits" with my other clubs, then why is that an important number?  If not perhaps an underhanded way to suggest to someone they need new clubs to hit their 7 iron, and presumably all other clubs, X number of yards further, then absent an actual yardage gap in clubs, what is the importance of it.?

 

You're asking a different question than is being answered.  It isn't about gapping your irons, it's "Am I getting what I should out of this specific club, given my swing speed?"

If you swing your 7 at 80MPH, but are only getting the ball 130 yards instead of the ~152 he is calculating, maybe it's time to look at swing mechanics, contact, or iron fit.

Having a metric to help determine if you are getting the most out of your investment is very helpful.

[cnosil]

3 hours ago, Stuka44 said:

If my 7 iron distance "fits" with my other clubs, then why is that an important number?  If not perhaps an underhanded way to suggest to someone they need new clubs to hit their 7 iron, and presumably all other clubs, X number of yards further, then absent an actual yardage gap in clubs, what is the importance of it.?

 

If today with your swing speed, your 7 iron or the 7 iron of the new set you are considering went 100 yards and you had the correct gapping between clubs,  would you question the distances?   If no, then the video is not targeted at you.   If you have any question that you may not be getting the performance you should out of your clubs the video is there to give you a ball park assessment that you can make to see if you are getting the distance you should out of your clubs.     You are generally anti-fitting so any numbers associated with club or ball performance isn't targeted at you;  not a negative but a fact at how you look at golf equipment.    

 

2 hours ago, Jim Shaw said:

a couple of comments about this video. 1- in the 70's/80's we used to use a 5 iron to gap properly, I don't know when the 7 iron came into play but I would think that the current 7 iron probably has the same loft as the old 5 iron, maybe that is why.

7 iron is the fitting club of today as it is generally the club where swings are pretty solid.  6 and longer are where swings start to break down so they aren't generally used for fitting.  

[Gusset]

Interesting video, potentially useful for judging one's ball striking. Unfortunately, it could also be just a bit misleading. He mentioned at the outset that loft is going to play a role...the 1.9 factor is applicable to the 7-iron he was hitting, but I believe he also stated that someone hitting a stronger lofted 7-iron wouldn't see the same relationship. Seems pretty obvious.

So what was the loft on his 7-iron? I watched to the end, and I don't recall him saying anything attaching a loft number to either his club or what's out there. I currently play 90s vintage clubs (TA-845Ti), and I suspect my 7-iron's 36* loft probably would not match up with the 1.9 factor. My R10 numbers with a 6-iron (32*) seem to meet the 1.9 relationship on a good strike, and I've seen loft numbers for some modern 7-irons that are even stronger than my 6.

Any guesses as to what he was hitting?

[cnosil]

25 minutes ago, Gusset said:

 

Any guesses as to what he was hitting?

No need to guess, he goes through his bag here:

 

 

[Stuka44]

16 hours ago, Gusset said:

7-iron's 36* loft

I guess this is what I was trying to ask, point out, much less effectively than you.   Almost all 7 irons have different lofts, so for the video to say you should hit a 7 irons "x-distance" seems a little misleading at a minimum.  You are correct my 7 Iron, Callaway Mavrik Pro is 30.5 degrees.  So for you and I to use the same multiplier, swinging at the same speed to see how far we should hit a 7 iron,  seems incorrect.  I am no mathematician, or physics expert but our two clubs struck at the same speed, with  5.5 degrees different loft, could/I would say will "likely" result in one or both of us, using a 1.9 multiplier(unless by chance our loft exactly matches what he is using) believing potentially that we are woefully short of, or greatly exceeding how far we think we should  be hitting it.

It seems this is a statement, which should be based on definitive certain factors.  Swing speed, and very importantly loft of club(which would determine multiplier), in order to be a meaningful benchmark. This way you would know that someone swinging the same loft of club as you, at the same speed using the same multiplier is getting 5 or whatever the number is yards more than you.  At this point I believe you could more accurately evaluate, how your distance compares to someone swinging a like lofted club, and multiplying by the same number  compares to what this person is getting, if you are comfortable with their teaching.

Edited December 29, 2023 by Stuka44

[Shapotomous]

23 minutes ago, Stuka44 said:

I guess this is what I was trying to ask, point out, much less effectively than you.   Almost all 7 irons have different lofts, so for the video to say you should hit a 7 irons "x-distance" seems a little misleading at a minimum.  You are correct my 7 Iron, Callaway Mavrik Pro is 30.5 degrees.  So for you and I to use the same multiplier, swinging at the same speed to see how far we should hit a 7 iron,  seems incorrect.  I am no mathematician, or physics expert but our two clubs struck at the same speed, with  5.5 degrees different loft, could/I would say will "likely" result in one or both of us, using a 1.9 multiplier(unless by chance our loft exactly matches what he is using) believing potentially that we are woefully short of, or greatly exceeding how far we think we should  be hitting it.

It seems this is a statement, which should be based on two certain factors.  Swing speed, and  loft of club(which would determine multiplier), in order to be a meaningful benchmark. This way you would know that someone swinging the same loft of club as you, at the same speed using the same multiplier is getting 5 or whatever the number is yards more than you.  At this point I believe you could effectively evaluate, as i have mentioned, if your clubs "work" and are well gapped...  is it worth it seeking new clubs, for lets say 3 more yards with your 7 iron, and then consequently other clubs.

Matt goes through all the disclaimers in the beginning of the video regarding loft differences, delivery and such that make this a ballpark estimate.  He even uses the term ballpark. 

I think this would be targeting someone that is less than familiar with club performance in general.  Most MGS'ers have hit enough clubs to know if a 7 iron they are experimenting with is within a reasonable distance range for their usual strike pattern.

[ZackS]

52 minutes ago, Stuka44 said:

I guess this is what I was trying to ask, point out, much less effectively than you.   Almost all 7 irons have different lofts, so for the video to say you should hit a 7 irons "x-distance" seems a little misleading at a minimum.  You are correct my 7 Iron, Callaway Mavrik Pro is 30.5 degrees.  So for you and I to use the same multiplier, swinging at the same speed to see how far we should hit a 7 iron,  seems incorrect.  I am no mathematician, or physics expert but our two clubs struck at the same speed, with  5.5 degrees different loft, could/I would say will "likely" result in one or both of us, using a 1.9 multiplier(unless by chance our loft exactly matches what he is using) believing potentially that we are woefully short of, or greatly exceeding how far we think we should  be hitting it.

It seems this is a statement, which should be based on definitive certain factors.  Swing speed, and very importantly loft of club(which would determine multiplier), in order to be a meaningful benchmark. This way you would know that someone swinging the same loft of club as you, at the same speed using the same multiplier is getting 5 or whatever the number is yards more than you.  At this point I believe you could more accurately evaluate, how your distance compares to someone swinging a like lofted club, and multiplying by the same number  compares to what this person is getting, if you are comfortable with their teaching.

The thing is there is always going to be variables, the human hitting the ball is one. As stated above he address this in the video. If we are going to be that picky then there can be no such thing as an optimized ball flight for "x" club but there are accepted general standard for different swing speeds with each clubs that if you fall in that range you will be maximizing your performance "dispersion, distance and land angle". If this is not important to you then just hit different clubs and see what gives you the best dispersion, and there is nothing wrong with that. But this forum is full of gear heads that are very interested in this information and had a lot of discussion about it. What Matt was trying to do in this video is be able to give a general standard for those that either don't have access to get or don't car to get all the numbers that go into a optimized ball flight but still would like to achieve this. The last thing I will point out is that having the same club # in a variety of different specs is not a variable that makes info like this "incorrect". These different specs are a needed variable to be able match up with the different human variables to help that person optimized their game. 

[Stuka44]

6 minutes ago, Shapotomous said:

Matt goes through all the disclaimers in the beginning of the video regarding loft differences, delivery and such that make this a ballpark estimate. 

I am more or less trying to actually agree with this idea.  I am just saying, especially for someone less familiar with club performance, that to just say you should hit it x far, when  a more novice player is using a club with 4 degrees more loft, seems a potentially quite inaccurate, and misleading "ballpark number" to throw out there.

Numbers arrived  using math calculations,  are only really useful to someone if the other person is  using, and basing their own results on very similar if not identical numbers.  Matt the video guy seems well informed. 

What others on this thread have said is accurate.  I am for the most part, NOT a fitting guy, and not generally a numbers guy.

However!  I find the idea intriguing to compare myself too.  I am just questioning if this would be comparing apples to apples.  It would be nice if he would, or if there is a chart, which would I believe more accurately indicate to people,.....  If you are hitting a club with (X-Loft) at (Y-speed)... the multiplier is Z. INSTRUCTOR: SAYS.... And as a very accomplished golfer,  who makes very good contact almost all of the time,    "AA" is the distance I think you should more or less get using my "chart of lofts, swing speeds, and multipliers".

I believe that Math more or less dictates, that for accuracy, this need to be based on loft of club, not just an arbitrary club number, with a specific multiplier, for said loft number.

   

[Stuka44]

14 minutes ago, ZackS said:

The last thing I will point out is that having the same club # in a variety of different specs is not a variable that makes info like this "incorrect".

I would point you to my response to Shopopotomous.  Additionally to say that different lofts(specs) of various peoples 7 irons, being used to evaluate their swing against this "general standard" should be generalized, or not taken into account is inaccurate, and mathematically incorrect.  Especially when the degrees of lofts, of a particular club, for almost everyone who plays this game, is directly correlated to how far the person will, and "should" be expected to hit that particular loft of club.

To suggest that you, me, and a third person, should really put any stock in, or compare our 7 Iron results, to each other(certainly not),  or his standard, when one of us is using a club with 4 degrees less loft, one with the same loft, and one with 4 degrees more loft, does mean that the calculation(since loft directly affects expected carry distance) itself is affecting the outcome, not just human effects, like swing angle, plane, attack angle, ball spin, and other things, which are actual human variables.

Its like saying I get to use a #3, you a 4, and him a 2, and we are going to multiply by two, and we should all get 4 like him.  We get 6, 8, and 4, how is that helpful to anybody.

[ZackS]

3 hours ago, Stuka44 said:

To suggest that you, me, and a third person, should really put any stock in, or compare our 7 Iron results, to each other(certainly not)

I didn't say anything about comparing one person to anther and I don't think Matt does in the video does either. We are talking about optimizing a certain club to you not comparing how I hit the exact same spec of club against someone else.

 

3 hours ago, Stuka44 said:

I am just saying, especially for someone less familiar with club performance, that to just say you should hit it x far

I don't think he is saying that, he is saying based on swing speed the ball will go around this distance with in his words a functional ball flight. When he is talking about functional or optimized flight he is taking in account other factors such as land angle not just distance.

 

3 hours ago, Stuka44 said:

Especially when the degrees of lofts, of a particular club, for almost everyone who plays this game, is directly correlated to how far the person will, and "should" be expected to hit that particular loft of club

Of coarse loft will directly effect distance and I don't think anyone is suggesting someone should not understand you hit this 7 iron further then this one because it is stronger in loft. But we are not just talking about distance you hit. He is just tying to simplify a optimized ball flight for a certain club into one number and is using distance for this as that is the metric most are asking him. 

 

3 hours ago, Stuka44 said:

I believe that Math more or less dictates, that for accuracy, this need to be based on loft of club, not just an arbitrary club number

With the acceptation of wedges the industry does not sell a 34 degree, a 18 degree or a 9 degree. They sell a 7 iron, 5 wood, driver, etc. Because of this when you are getting fit things are going to based on the club type not loft.

 

 

3 hours ago, Stuka44 said:

Additionally to say that different lofts(specs) of various peoples 7 irons, being used to evaluate their swing against this "general standard" should be generalized, or not taken into account is inaccurate, and mathematically incorrect.

As stated above things are based on the club type and everyone's swing/delivery are different it would be safe to say that everyone would need slightly different lofts, lies, lengths, etc. So just like drivers have different lofts, CG, etc to fit different swings. Irons also have the same. Again things are based on optimizing the ball fight for a golfer for a club type and I might need a 10 degree driver and you might need a 8 degree driver to do so. 

 

 

I will add I understand what you are talking about with loft and the effect it has and I don't want to argue. I guess we just understood the point of this video very differently. 

Edited December 29, 2023 by ZackS