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I sure would like to know how he feels about Edel technology...

 

 

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Basically a no tech putter as discussed in the video is a putter that doesn't have a face that helps ensure the ball rolls consistent distances on miss hits or as is discussed with the evnroll that the ball will curve back toward the center on miss hits. I don't believe any Odyssey insert accomplishes this; to me the face is just a mushy feel that mutes the feel on off center hits. Another manufacturer that would be considered is Bobby Grace and some if his inserts.

 

After having tested all of those putters, I believe in evnroll insert does help get a consistent roll on misshits. The "tech" is based on how much material comes into contact with the ball and how much energy is transferred to the ball. Less mass in the center provides less energy and as you move out there is more material to transfer more energy.

 

That said, I believe that there will be benefit from faces that help on misshits provided there is feedback on where you misshit the ball so you can determine why the ball went a certain distance or direction. I have a hard time with the assertion that the ball will curve back toward the center when misshit. I also believe that tech on a poorly fit putter will make up for the poor fit and that a properly fit putter will help you have a more consistent strike and potentially eliminate some of the need for the tech.

MLA tech is visual, per their site... The face has grooves, but a lot of putters now have some type of “groove”. To me the video is only talking about putters that are “off the rack”, even just the ones in MGS testing.

 

The weighting alone that Edel does with their putters- whether in the handle, head, or both, is more tech than any company I've seen yet. Add the visual theory of the curved/straight putter head and the lines/no lines, there is a TON of tech. But, Edel isn't an off the rack company.

I am biased, though! [emoji3][emoji3][emoji3]

 

 

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Fwy:  :callaway-small: Super Hybrid 17*, Aldila RIP Alpha 105 S, tipped 1”

Hybrid: :callaway-small: X2 Hot Pro, 20*, Graphite Design Tour AD-DI 105X

Irons: :honma:TR20 Tour P 4-10, :Nippon: Modus 130 stiff, +1”

Wedges: Vega VW-06 50*/54*/58*, Dynamic Gold S400

Putter:  :edel-golf-1: EAS 1.0

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I sure would like to know how he feels about Edel technology...

 

 

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I'm sure his stance will be the same as it is with any company -- if you have the data to back it up, that it can improve a golfers' game, he will stand behind it.

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he don't lay the butter down heavy unless the corn is hot.

 

Ah man, I was just about to post this exact thing.

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I'm sure his stance will be the same as it is with any company -- if you have the data to back it up, that it can improve a golfers' game, he will stand behind it.

 

I think that is probably a fair statement.  There was an Edel putter in the testing and while Edel is primarily known for custom fitting you can buy them off the rack.  We were not custom fit for any of the putters which is why I would still recommend getting fit for the putter.  

 

This is part of the my confusion.  The MLA has "alignment tech" but no face grooves to make miss hits go the same distance.  Ping and Evnroll have the face tech but the rest of the putter is like any other putter on the market.  In the most wanted 2017 the Odyssey #7 scored well but there is no special tech for alignment or miss hit forgiveness other than maybe more MOI.  

 

Loved the rant and really appreciate what he had to say.  I would like some clarification on what "tech" he was referring to.  Actually donated a little bit of money because of his passion.  

Sorry,  yes the MLA is visual;  I was just thinking Ping and EvnRoll.   During my testing,  I just couldn't see what the MLA putter was supposed to be doing. 

 

Regarding performance across the board,  you would have to look at strokes gained over time and not a single round.  The bottom line is you need to find the putter that works for you. 

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This video he made makes me really want to go get a putter fitting now

 

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Trying to convince my girl that I need to go to Carlsbad and see Guerin, or trying to convince Evnroll that they need a Hawaiian holiday while it's getting cold across the pond

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Trying to convince my girl that I need to go to Carlsbad and see Guerin, or trying to convince Evnroll that they need a Hawaiian holiday while it's getting cold across the pond

 

I'm going to be in San Diego at some point in the next year. Not to far from Carlsbad if you know what I mean. I was originally thinking about an Edel, but the tech in the EVNROLL has me hooked.

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I'm going to be in San Diego at some point in the next year. Not to far from Carlsbad if you know what I mean. I was originally thinking about an Edel, but the tech in the EVNROLL has me hooked.

They're great putters, I had an ER7 for a while, but I learned that mallets just aren't meant for me

 

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I enjoyed Adams video and his take on putters. He's right on about the boutique 1 offs as I've bought a few in the past and realize they are more “art” than technology.

The putter I'm using now Odyssey # 7 sometimes looks to me like a 1950's hood ornament but it sure feels good.

 

 

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Just finished watching the video. It was GREAT. I am one of those people that previously bought putters for 'looks & feel' (and OK, maybe to show off a little). Bought a Scotty Studio Select Newport 1.5 - I absolutely had to have it. It looked so good and actually felt good and sounded good as well. Just one small problem, I couldn't make any puts with it. I track and chart every round I play. The Scotty cost me way more when we got back to the club house than what I paid for it. Still love the look, but sold it at a loss to save money. I now average 1.6 putts a hole through a good season of golf. I know, I know, doesn't seem to show up on my handicap, but it does. I just play fairway shots like s@!*.

Keep up the great work.

 

p.s. - tried to log in and couldn't - been a while, so maybe I got purged (still get all the emails though)

 

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Have an MLA and am loving it! It has definitely helped improve my putting. Thanks MGS!!

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Have an MLA and am loving it! It has definitely helped improve my putting. Thanks MGS!!

I second this. One of those brands that are under the radar, but definitely need to be talked about.

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Anyone take MLA up on the offer

https://www.mla.golf/collections/mygolfspy

 

I just bought a pro Xdream

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Not an MLA, but I'm having something built for me :D

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Interesting reading the discussion on this video over on one of the other forums.  Got shut down for a while and then opened back up after requests from the membership.  Quite a bit of MGS bashing.

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Interesting reading the discussion on this video over on one of the other forums. Got shut down for a while and then opened back up after requests from the membership. Quite a bit of MGS bashing.

Bashing usually means jealousy.

 

 

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Bashing usually means jealousy.

 

 

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I don't do other golf forums. But I'd guess they're mad he's dissing the putters they use.

 

 

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