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8 minutes ago, cnosil said:

Yep to all of this.  Scott will say that it isn’t anything new, but he is the first to package it in digestible format.  
 

he is adding some good stuff though.  In the most recent update he added a player test to he’ll evaluate your game and some AR stuff to see distance/dispersion lines at your course/range.  I am eager to try them out. 

Sorry, where is this update?  Automatic update to Foundations?

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BTW, if you follow him on social media you'll know Scott (and Lou Stagner to a lesser degree) got into a pretty intense back and forth on Twitter with Colt Knost and Graham DeLeat, the outcome of that being a wager between Scott and Colt to play in June at Dallas National.  

The argument was basically Colt saying you had to have a good angle from the right side of the fairway on a certain hole at Harbor Town, and Scott and Lou arguing not to play for angles because often the risk in chasing the angle isn't worth it.  As usual on social media, a lot of people talking past each other, but interesting to follow nevertheless.

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20 minutes ago, Getoffmylawn said:

BTW, if you follow him on social media you'll know Scott (and Lou Stagner to a lesser degree) got into a pretty intense back and forth on Twitter with Colt Knost and Graham DeLeat, the outcome of that being a wager between Scott and Colt to play in June at Dallas National.  

The argument was basically Colt saying you had to have a good angle from the right side of the fairway on a certain hole at Harbor Town, and Scott and Lou arguing not to play for angles because often the risk in chasing the angle isn't worth it.  As usual on social media, a lot of people talking past each other, but interesting to follow nevertheless.

The funny thing about this back and forth, they are both 100% right. 

If you hit it left, leaving a better angle you will score better. (Colt's argument) 

If you chase angles, your scores will be higher. (Scott's argument)

 

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2 hours ago, THEZIPR23 said:

The funny thing about this back and forth, they are both 100% right. 

If you hit it left, leaving a better angle you will score better. (Colt's argument) 

If you chase angles, your scores will be higher. (Scott's argument)

 

Ha, if you look at my twitter, I came out pro-Scott... Colt was arguing that chasing angles made sense (And that talent trumped analysis) for that hole... I think he came across as a jerk, but that was just my impression of him...

I've listened to ALOT of Scott talking, and have really warmed up to him... I used to dislike him and his attitude, but believe he both improved how he presented himself and I came to respect his point of view a little more... I get annoyed with his "I've done the math, you don't have to" at points, but do think his system is good.

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3 hours ago, THEZIPR23 said:

The funny thing about this back and forth, they are both 100% right. 

If you hit it left, leaving a better angle you will score better. (Colt's argument) 

If you chase angles, your scores will be higher. (Scott's argument)

 

Well the main thing that stood out to me is Colt didn’t seem to get it...Scott and Lou haven’t said angles don’t help, they just said angles aren’t worth the risk to chase.

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5 hours ago, Getoffmylawn said:

Sorry, where is this update?  Automatic update to Foundations?

Yes.  In the app select tools and then combine.  If you pick one of the various combines there are tutorial videos. 

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22 hours ago, THEZIPR23 said:

This thing is sweet for sure. As a data guy and lover of Power BI I just had to click on it and give it a look. This is a great tool to run some scenarios on those tricky holes where you are not sure what is the play.

I think it highlights even in the example one that even on this hole a 10 yard layup with similar dispersion for if you hit the rough or penalty is still better to hit driver, now just imagine if laying up is more like giving up 30 yards.

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16 hours ago, Getoffmylawn said:

Well the main thing that stood out to me is Colt didn’t seem to get it...Scott and Lou haven’t said angles don’t help, they just said angles aren’t worth the risk to chase.

I thought Scott was challenging Graham to $1000/hole not Colt LOL. Looks like Colt was a decent player as well, but likely easier money. 

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17 minutes ago, BMart519 said:

I thought Scott was challenging Graham to $1000/hole not Colt LOL. Looks like Colt was a decent player as well, but likely easier money. 

Yeah, that’s how it started out when Scott issued the challenge but Graham didn’t reply, Colt did.

I heard Scott is in Colt’s Sirius XM show in about 5 minutes, which I don’t have...

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21 hours ago, THEZIPR23 said:

The strategy is not new, top tour players have always played this way

I'm not so sure this is right, the old idea of laying up to a comfortable yardage certainly isn't supported in any system informed by Strokes Gained concepts.

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1 hour ago, DaveP043 said:

I'm not so sure this is right, the old idea of laying up to a comfortable yardage certainly isn't supported in any system informed by Strokes Gained concepts.

When you decide that the percentage shot is hitting less than a full driver, the best strategy is to make a full swing with a 3-wood or long iron

My motto is: Pick a conservative target, then make an aggressive swing to it.

 

Nicklaus Quotes above.

Scott based DECADE on a lot of what Tiger did. You could say that I misspoke and it is only the great players who played this way. 

 

 

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23 hours ago, Getoffmylawn said:

BTW, if you follow him on social media you'll know Scott (and Lou Stagner to a lesser degree) got into a pretty intense back and forth on Twitter with Colt Knost and Graham DeLeat, the outcome of that being a wager between Scott and Colt to play in June at Dallas National.  

The argument was basically Colt saying you had to have a good angle from the right side of the fairway on a certain hole at Harbor Town, and Scott and Lou arguing not to play for angles because often the risk in chasing the angle isn't worth it.  As usual on social media, a lot of people talking past each other, but interesting to follow nevertheless.

Very interesting back and forth.  They did seem to come to a place where Scott is going to be a guest on Colt's podcast.  Should be interesting.  Gets to the challenges of the written back and forth and trouble interpreting tone, intention, etc. 

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Anyone catch this? or know where it can be heard? I'm interested.

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On 4/26/2021 at 2:58 PM, Getoffmylawn said:

Alright, going to post a hole here and get everyone's thoughts.  I have a feeling Scott Fawcett gets inundated with "what about hole X at my home course" from everybody and their brother, and I really don't want to do that...he gave me a crazy good discount on a year of Foundations, so I'm not about to get greedy and ask for one-on-one treatment.  Fortunately for me, I have MGS!

This is #13 at Willow Lakes Golf Course, a Robert Trent Jones Sr design (the only RTJ military course in fact).  It's Offutt AFB's course, but outside of the base fence line open to public play.

Anyway, it's a par 5, 549 yards.  Forgive me for the crude lines on this image, but I wanted to pick your brains as soon as I could since I'm back out here this Thursday...I'll get my Google Earth Pro skills down later.  The blue line, essentially the widest point of the fairway between the water hazard right and cart path left, is 54 yards.  The red line, the end of the water, is 34 yards.  It's anywhere from a 280-300 yard drive to get past the water depending on where they set up the tees.

So here's my problem:  I typically play a cut off the tee, and you all know how Scott preaches one shot shape.  3 wood doesn't eliminate the hazard, so that's out.  In fact that water is still in play with 3 hybrid, so to truly eliminate the hazard I'm taking 4 iron off the tee on a par 5...no thanks, that's giving up a ton of distance and starts to bring bogey on a par 5 into play, another DECADE no-no.  To add to the fun, the wind is very often a left to right wind.

As you might expect, this whole is feast or famine.  I basically take driver and aim at the trees and cart path area left and trust it to cut, and when it works par is not hard, birdie a possibility.  However, overcut it just a bit and there's just not a lot of room for error...if it doesn't cut I'm chipping out sideways.

Any thoughts?

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Replying to my own post for the sake of referencing back to this conversation, here are some pics of the hole.

First, looking down the fairway when walking up the hole...

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And now here are some pics of how that area left behind that larger tree would look.  The first pick would be a shorter and "less left" tee shot, the second longer and more left.  I'd say about 240-250 and 270-280 respectively.

 

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After considering input from @cnosil and others, this left miss isn't as terrible as maybe I've considered it in the past.  There's still room to come out at about a 45 degree angle to get it back in play and advance it, perhaps more if I get aggressive and put some hook on a longer club.

That said, I played this hole decidedly un-DECADEy yesterday.  Rule number one is commit to the shot right?  Instead, I stood on the tee determined not to hit it in the right water, and probably cheated my grip a bit too.  The result was a smother hook into the left hazard, because I was setup for a cut with a line on this tree.  To make matters worse I flubbed a chip and ended up taking a double, on a par 5.  I was very very frustrated with myself for the mental error off the tee.

On the bright side, I didn't sulk and birdied the next hole.  All in all the round could have been better; quite a few times I took bad lines off the tee and paid for it.  Overall, a 79...not thrilled but trending in the right direction from the form I started the year with. 

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16 minutes ago, Getoffmylawn said:

Replying to my own post for the sake of referencing back to this conversation, here are some pics of the hole.

First, looking down the fairway when walking up the hole...

 13-1.jpg.935e5e6b856300acef328cdbc468a2b3.jpg

And now here are some pics of how that area left behind that larger tree would look.  The first pick would be a shorter and "less left" tee shot, the second longer and more left.  I'd say about 240-250 and 270-280 respectively.

 

13-3.jpg.29e1baac8f26bce347438575d9664b1b.jpg

13-4.jpg.b387ced221f752231fa7ff515edeec49.jpg

After considering input from @cnosil and others, this left miss isn't as terrible as maybe I've considered it in the past.  There's still room to come out at about a 45 degree angle to get it back in play and advance it, perhaps more if I get aggressive and put some hook on a longer club.

That said, I played this hole decidedly un-DECADEy yesterday.  Rule number one is commit to the shot right?  Instead, I stood on the tee determined not to hit it in the right water, and probably cheated my grip a bit too.  The result was a smother hook into the left hazard, because I was setup for a cut with a line on this tree.  To make matters worse I flubbed a chip and ended up taking a double, on a par 5.  I was very very frustrated with myself for the mental error off the tee.

On the bright side, I didn't sulk and birdied the next hole.  All in all the round could have been better; quite a few times I took bad lines off the tee and paid for it.  Overall, a 79...not thrilled but trending in the right direction from the form I started the year with. 

Great recovery with the birdie always feels good to get one back after a bad hole. 

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On 4/28/2021 at 5:35 PM, myherobobhope said:

Anyone catch this? or know where it can be heard? I'm interested.

It was is going to be in Sirius/XM radio.  I am not a subscriber so I don’t know if you can listen to past shows.  

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Well, I'm back on the wagon with Scott and DECADE! Sold some clubs, ended up getting the year subscription. I re-watched a few of the foundations videos and have started through the others. I also printed up my first yardage book, and I'm super pumped for this season.

I'll be playing in multiple tournaments this year, and I know that this will make things better for me. Even so far this season, I've been shooting right around 79-82 depending on the course that I play, and last Friday, using a few of the DECADE thoughts back in my brain, I ended up with a 77. So already paying off again! 🙂 

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9 minutes ago, analyticandrew said:

Well, I'm back on the wagon with Scott and DECADE! Sold some clubs, ended up getting the year subscription. I re-watched a few of the foundations videos and have started through the others. I also printed up my first yardage book, and I'm super pumped for this season.

I'll be playing in multiple tournaments this year, and I know that this will make things better for me. Even so far this season, I've been shooting right around 79-82 depending on the course that I play, and last Friday, using a few of the DECADE thoughts back in my brain, I ended up with a 77. So already paying off again! 🙂 

Sounds great and be sure to let us know how those tournaments go for you.

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I need to just pay for the subscription... just haven't pulled the trigger! I'm really interested in the more indepth stuff and think it will help me better commit to shots.

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I have a great dialogue going with a dear friend and colleague of mine. He is 100% a "feel" player. From him, he says that his "swing is... piecemeal. what what i've found is i can't 'hit a number' even with my wedges per se. if someone said 'hit this 52 yards' i can't get my body to do that - but if i see that something is '52 yards away' by looking at it, then i'll just swing and feel that i hope i hit it 52 yards"

I'm not trying to convert him to DECADE, it's just a great conversation because we're both 5-6 handicappers, we both have SUCH different approaches to the game, and we both love playing together, we love the same kinds of golf course architects, etc... 

Going back to my round last Friday, just to give you all information that none of you asked for... 🙂 As I've looked at the DECADE yardage book I downloaded after the fact (because I'll play this course 10 times this year probably), what I also like (that i’ve never REALLY payed much attention to) is that i also can see how deep and wide the greens are and I can put those into how I approach things. Generally, I just shoot with my rangefinder the distance to the pin, which is FINE but… I was replaying my round from Friday in my head and there are a number of holes that had I paid attention to where the pin was, and then saw how much room there was short or long or left or right, relative to any trouble… then I would have thought about it differently.

Hole number 18 is a GREAT example of this. This is a double dogleg, 545 yard par 5 that was into the teeth of a 25 MPH that was coming from about 9:30-10 o'clock off the tee. Was playing at least 600 with all of the wind. In the screenshot below, the blue dots are my shots on the hole, and the green dot is where the pin was placed. I also added some arrows to show where the green slopes. 

I was in the trees off the tee thanks to a pull that the wind grabbed, sending it further left and knocked it down, so I had to take my medicine to get out of the trees. Then, because the wind was so fierce, I needed to lay up with my third shot. In hindsight, I still should have gone for it out to the right ESPECIALLY had I known where the pin was. But alas I couldn't see the pin relative to the green from where I was standing on my second shot.

So after taking my medicine, then laying up, for my fourth shot, even though I was only ~82 yards out, I wasn’t paying attention to how much room i had behind the pin and also exactly how close the pin was to the edge of the green. What I should have done, based on DECADE, was aim at the red line at the CLOSEST. Which is about what I did. HOWEVER I also pulled the shot, again the wind grabbed it, and I short sided myself in a major way, leading to a double bogey to end the round.

But, if I had looked at how much room I had behind the hole (which was at least 8-10 yards), I would have saved myself at least a stroke. Also, with the wind more from around 11 o'clock at this angle, I should have been able to recognize that somewhere between the red line and the blue line should have been my target. 

And who knows, maybe a miracle happens and i make a winding 30 footer for par 🙂 - instead, I walk away with a double.

 

 

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