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This is a long awaited one and sure to have a good discussion.  Share your thoughts below

https://mygolfspy.com/costco-kirkland-performance-three-piece/

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While that may sound like a bargain,  it represents a 33-percent upcharge over the retail price, making it one of the lowest-quality balls we’ve measured.

Well I guess we can put to rest the claim as a "poor man's ProV" to rest now!

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You get what you pay for would seem to sum it up nicely.  Still, for many players, I doubt the physical consistencies would be noticeable on the course... and many will still factor price high in their decision.  I am a bit surprised they had that much concentricity problem.  And, it makes me wonder if other balls produced at this facility will also show less than stellar results.

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7 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

You get what you pay for would seem to sum it up nicely.  Still, for many players, I doubt the physical consistencies would be noticeable on the course... and many will still factor price high in their decision.  I am a bit surprised they had that much concentricity problem.  And, it makes me wonder if other balls produced at this facility will also show less than stellar results.

It's noticeable to me.  I still have a year's supply of the original Ksigs that I am playing now.  Last year I bought a box of the 3-piece balls and they do not perform like the originals; they certainly don't feel the same!!

I thought that Costco was buying a ball company in China and monitoring ball quality.  Have they done that yet?  

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52 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

You get what you pay for would seem to sum it up nicely.  Still, for many players, I doubt the physical consistencies would be noticeable on the course... and many will still factor price high in their decision.  I am a bit surprised they had that much concentricity problem.  And, it makes me wonder if other balls produced at this facility will also show less than stellar results.

IMO a lot of players would just be more willing to chalk up a bad result to their swing than the ball. I certainly think the issues noted would be apparent to more experienced players who are used to a certain level of performance.

I've never played Cut golf balls, but I have heard a lot of negatives regarding quality and consistency. They also didn't fare particularly well in the ball test last year - they were the only two balls rated as "Poor" and were specifically noted for quality issues. Again, it's a get what you pay for scenario (I'm sure Cut isn't spending a ton for extra quality checks), but it could also be indicative of the general quality that comes from that factory.

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I probably should have said "for the average, non MGS, player".... we are a golf stuff educated, discerning group. 😁

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I play the 3-piece K-Sigs and have been satisfied with their performance. I'm surprised that today's review was so negative when they were rated "Best Value" just last year. I've never played Cut branded balls, but it's also surprising to read the Snell Red was manufactured in the same Chinese facility.

*sigh* Wish I'd have purchased a gross of the original 4-piece K-Sigs

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I think this is very fair. Even with some consistency issues how do you beat a $1 per for urethane? I wouldn't play this as my everyday gamer, but as a fall/spring or bad swing day backup I think it would be just fine.

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MG Golf's C4 is a 4-piece ball I'm tempted to try for only $19.99 per dozen. It's gotten good reviews by our fellow, discerning MGS golfers. Has the MGS staff scrutinized these yet with their testing?

MG Golf C4, Senior Ball, the Best at a Discount

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I was honestly surprised to all the negative reactions to the ball after the test. It’s one thing if these were already selling at $30/dozen, but at HALF of that, I still think it’s an unbelievable deal.

Call me a conspiracy theorist, but have there been tests, on MGS or anywhere else, that show the performance issues caused by “bad balls”? I’m not so sure that the majority of defects in a batch of balls would be noticeable to anyone but the tour pro. 

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I was honestly surprised to all the negative reactions to the ball after the test. It’s one thing if these were already selling at $30/dozen, but at HALF of that, I still think it’s an unbelievable deal.
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but have there been tests, on MGS or anywhere else, that show the performance issues caused by “bad balls”? I’m not so sure that the majority of defects in a batch of balls would be noticeable to anyone but the tour pro. 

Last year MGS was testing golf balls via robot testing. The testing team noted several balls had erratic performance so they cut them open and noted the cores weren’t centered.

For years people floated or spun balls to find these outliers to avoid using them. Based on that there must have been some testing to understand the impact of these balls being out of balance.

I personally haven’t seen any testing that took a known “bad” ball and did a deep dive into performance evaluation. Based on that, it is impossible to know the extent of performance impact and if the golfer would be able to decipher if the issue was swing or ball.

If it didn’t cause a performance issue, why don’t the manufacturers just come out and say it isn’t a big deal.
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6 minutes ago, cnosil said:


Last year MGS was testing golf balls via robot testing. The testing team noted several balls had erratic performance so they cut them open and noted the cores weren’t centered.

For years people floated or spun balls to find these outliers to avoid using them. Based on that there must have been some testing to understand the impact of these balls being out of balance.

I personally haven’t seen any testing that took a known “bad” ball and did a deep dive into performance evaluation. Based on that, it is impossible to know the extent of performance impact and if the golfer would be able to decipher if the issue was swing or ball.

If it didn’t cause a performance issue, why don’t the manufacturers just come out and say it isn’t a big deal.

I’d imagine the optics of saying that their balls lacked quality control but still performed well are bad. I’d just be interested to see the tangible performance differences. If you gave 10 golfers perfect and off-center cores, how does it affect distance, spin, consistency, etc. in their wedges, irons, and woods? Just a thought.

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21 minutes ago, adamflowers said:

I’d imagine the optics of saying that their balls lacked quality control but still performed well are bad. I’d just be interested to see the tangible performance differences. If you gave 10 golfers perfect and off-center cores, how does it affect distance, spin, consistency, etc. in their wedges, irons, and woods? Just a thought.

Totally agree.  Just how much of a core being inconsistent would effect ball flight and performance. I guess the best way would be to hit 50 balls with a robot and then collect the outliers and cut them open to see just how much an off center core will move the ball off center of the fairway.  Is 1mm off being concentric going to move the ball 10 yards off? I think this would be a valid test to show playability of the ball. 

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47 minutes ago, cnosil said:


Last year MGS was testing golf balls via robot testing. The testing team noted several balls had erratic performance so they cut them open and noted the cores weren’t centered.

For years people floated or spun balls to find these outliers to avoid using them. Based on that there must have been some testing to understand the impact of these balls being out of balance.

I personally haven’t seen any testing that took a known “bad” ball and did a deep dive into performance evaluation. Based on that, it is impossible to know the extent of performance impact and if the golfer would be able to decipher if the issue was swing or ball.

If it didn’t cause a performance issue, why don’t the manufacturers just come out and say it isn’t a big deal.

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8 hours ago, Richard_82 said:

Saw a new Kirkland Signature 3-piece ball at Costco yesterday (Raleigh, NC).  Any news on this? 

The box says it's new and improved. Sorry, didn't grab a pic with my phone, and it's not on their website yet.   

Pic of the new box, although the ball appears to have the same side stamp. 

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Tried the K-Sig last year and it was unremarkable to me. If you like it, great. Not knocking anybody who uses it. Just did not like the feel and that is how I usually judge a ball.

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Pic of the v2 ball on left and the v1 on right. Both balls had a slightly off center core.EB3D3683-F6F6-4367-B02B-FCBDCA383337.jpeg.d52be43e2287719915425f14ab99a523.jpeg

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I am not anywhere talented enough to be able to feel or see the difference in golf balls.

I have shot 78 and 98 the same week with a Titleist Pro-V1

I have also shot 3 straight rounds under 85 with this ball, I shot my only par 72 round with a Titleist DT (that was in 1988) like I have said before, it has improved my game since the worry of losing a $3 plus golf ball is not in my mind. 

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