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I’ve noticed that some strong lofted sets come with a 6 degree gap between wedges. Obviously, if this caused problems, you could adjust the lofts. But I was wondering if folks who have a set up like this find the gap to be too large. I have seen some write that the designers know what they’re doing and the gapping should be just fine, but the cynic in me suspects the big gap is a compromise. 

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Mizuno 923 JPX HM HL 6-GW

Hogan sand wedge 56 degree bent to 53

Maltby M Series+ 54 degree

Ping Glide 3.0 Eye2 58 degree

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Evnroll ER2

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I have played that gap and sometimes still do when I put the TW wedges in the bag. I have a 50* gw and the tw sw is 56.

It doesnt bother me because I am comfortable playing partial shots with gw and pw. 

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1 hour ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

I have played that gap and sometimes still do when I put the TW wedges in the bag. I have a 50* gw and the tw sw is 56.

It doesnt bother me because I am comfortable playing partial shots with gw and pw. 

Same for me. I have my 44, 48, 52 and 58 degree wedges. But I'm generally more comfortable hitting partial shots with my 48 and 58 than I am hitting full or partial shots with my 52. So in essence, my bag is 44, 48 and 58 except for pretty specific situations. 

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Taylormade R1 driver.

Ping G400 3 wood.

Cleveland Halo Launcher 3 hybrid.

Cleveland CBX launcher irons (5-PW). 

Assorted wedges (48, 52, 58).

Odyssey White Hot Pro 2.0 putter.

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My wedges are 44,48,54,58.  So the biggest gap is between my GW and SW.  I prefer to take some off my GW than trying to nuke my SW.  But i really dont see a huge gap between them.

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This is why it's good to get a gapping analysis if at all possible. I go from a set wedge at 43* and then at Club Champion during the wedge fit we worked on spacing those gaps perfectly to cover a ton of shot types and distance and ended up with the 48/53/58 set I'm running with for the future. 5 degrees for me is where it is at.

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I have a 5 degree difference between my pitching wedge (45 degrees) and my gap wedge (50 degrees) and feel like its pretty solid gaping. I carry 50, 54 and 58 degree wedges 

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Driver: Ping G430 Max 10.5, Mitsubishi Kai'Li X-Flex (set at 9.5)

Wood(s): Ping G425 LST 3 Wood 15, Ping Tour 2.0 Black X-Flex 

Hybrid/Driving Iron: Ping iCrossover 2 (18 degrees), Ping Tour 2.0 Chrome X-Flex

 Irons: Ping i230 4-PW, Dynamic Gold X-100

Wedges: Fourteen RM-4, 50, 54, 58

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With a 42° 9-iron, I don’t use the set matching 46° PW.

I go with 6° gaps throughout the short end with the 9-iron and a 48-54-60°  wedge complement.

No problem for me, but a stronger-lofted 9-iron might have created  a problem in configuring the set.

 

 

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my z585 PW and GW are 44 and 50 I think. Then I play a 56* and 60*. It doesn't cause me issues, but maybe I'm just used to it?

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On 12/22/2021 at 9:32 PM, jroot327 said:

my z585 PW and GW are 44 and 50 I think. Then I play a 56* and 60*. It doesn't cause me issues, but maybe I'm just used to it?

I have the same irons and gapping, the there is ~16yd distance gap between PW and GW. Over the past season there were only 2 real instances where I found myself directly between clubs and had to make a tougher decision. 

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45, 50, 54, 58 is what I play.  With max partial shot shots in the mix, this set me up with 8 known carry distances between 75 - 125.  

full 45, full 50, partial 45, full 54, partial 50, full 58, partial 54, partial 58

For me max partial shot is a full turn shot without active release of the hands.   Below 75, I'm hitting same type shots with smaller turns giving additional distances.  I limit those to just 54 and 58 which are specialty wedges, CBX2.

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Mine are 5° gaps, but if they were 6°, don't think us mere mortals would be able to tell the difference.

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Currently playing 4° gaps (46, 50, 54, 58) but just cause I'm used to my wedge grid that Pelz taught but I'm seeing quite a bit of over lap so I may go back to 3 wedges and larger gaps. TXG had a nice little video about this. For me, the wedge grid is a smarter way to figure things on the course, especially with 3 wedges

 

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On 11/18/2021 at 4:42 AM, MNUte said:

Same for me. I have my 44, 48, 52 and 58 degree wedges. But I'm generally more comfortable hitting partial shots with my 48 and 58 than I am hitting full or partial shots with my 52. So in essence, my bag is 44, 48 and 58 except for pretty specific situations. 

Identical for me, 44°, 48°, 52° & 58°....... I'm comfortable manipulating my 52°

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My set up is 5 degrees apart.  PW is 45, GW is 50, SW is 55 and Lob is 60.

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Traditionally I went 48 56 and sometimes 60. Right now I am in a major transition stage both swing and equipment. Coming off of steel shafted blades with traditional lofts to graphite and somewhat jacked lofts I am having to change stuff around some. My current set the PW is 46* and the combination of the shafts and somewhat hot faces has me in experiment mode. I went with a "Gap" wedge for the first time about a month ago. I was using the Mack Daddy 52 in my signature. I am also experimenting with a Old School Macgregor VFQ 11 iron I bought back in November. It checks out at 50*. I have used it quite a bit messing around and I am sorta getting the old feel back with it. Had one like it when I was younger and it got stolen.  Also right now working on dialing in the 56 PM wedge. I did an extensive sole grind on it going from 13* to 10* bounce. Been messing around with weight placement and getting used to the feel. With the Mac wedge and the different shots I am relearning with it I think I can pretty much cover a 6* gap. Someone may ask why do I not since I have my loft and lie machine bump the 56 back some? Simple answer is I have remember my own custom sole grind on it and it is ground to 56* loft and 64* lie. Bumping it back even 2* will mess with the bounce in more than one way. I think I have said this before I only carry 12 clubs as SOP and it leaves me room on either end to add. On courses around here that have soft fluffy greenside bunkers I will slip one of my 60*  LW in. Depends on my knowledge of the course what LW I slip in because there it is all about the bounce. Normally I do not have a lot of bounce on wedges I hit out of the fairway

Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha  Speeder 565 R flex- 5W TM V-Steel Fubuki 60r--- 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R----- 9 W TM V Steel TM MAS stiff---- Irons 2015 TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R--- GW Callaway Mack Daddy 2 52* shaft unknown junk pile refugee. SW Callaway PM Grind 56*  Modified sole grind--- KBS Tour Wedge-- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter Ping B90I Broom Stick 

 

 

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My pw is either 44 or 46, whatever std loft i for Ping I 500.  My next is a 52 deg 9 bounce Mizuno on a full swing is about 80 yds, so like others, I hit a slighltly less than full swing on the PW, a real good full swing gets 110 yds.  I have a 50 deg Mizu too but haven't played enough to start using it on my regular course.  

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3W: Callaway Steelhead Xr  Tensei Blue CK 55 gram senior. TM Burner Superfast 3.0 M flex.

5W : Titleist TSi 1 on Aldila Ascent 40 regular flex.

Driving Iron: Mizuno MP 18 MMC 3 18 degree, on Mamiya Recoil reg flex.

4 iron:  forged Mizuno Fly-Hi, 24 degree hollow body.

6 - PW: Ping I 500, on Recoil reg flex.

Gap: 52/9 GFF Mizuno S5, Lob: 60/6 GFF Mizuno T7.

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I would imagine that to be fairly common.

6° isn't a big gap.

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I have played 6* gap in my wedges for the past 5 years or more. As my swing speed has slowed, I'm 68, this created better yardage gapping. I play two different sets of irons, one with a 50* GW and a 56* SW and a seconds set at 46*PW, 52* GW and 58* LW. I'd really like to find an iron set with 6* gapping that isn't a game improvement iron with jacked up lofts. I may just have order them bent that way.

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I play 4 degree gap:  46, 50, 54, 58.  Works out great.  Not sure about 6 degrees.  However, 46, 54, 60 sounds pretty nice.   Maybe the thing about 6 degrees is less confusion over which wedge to play.

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The gap differential to distance isn't linear.

As face angle gets flatter, a larger gap is needed to generate same landing gaps differentials.

 

Blame it on gravity, physics, and algebra.

 

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If you have smaller gaps between your driver, 3w, 5w, 3i/h, and 4i/h than you do your wedges you're just wrong. Tight gapping in your irons and wedges allows for more precision with distance control where you need it. 4° gaps is the way to go. The only gap where I would consider 6° is between my SW and my LW and that's because my LW is strictly used around the greens, it is never used as an approach club. 

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I bought my new irons specifically for 2 reasons, first slightly more aggressively lofted at top.  Second specifically that PW/AW were less lofted than in old set, and the 4 degree gapping gave me just what I needed in carry from them.   I found just the opposite from what some have said.   I found I needed the 4 degree gapping  to get the yardages I needed, given my swing.

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