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Is it wrong to be a proud golfer who walks and points out the bad traits of cart riders?


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Hi, I am a golfer who walks with push carts and even a battery operated cart for my bag and one of the main reasons I golf is because of the exercise I get doing it! I will someday use a riding cart when I am unable to walk but until then I will walk. I respect anyone who golfs with a riding cart because of hip or knee problems for instance and I applaud their doing it. However, I don't appreciate having to compete with the cart riders who zoom all over the course and the way the management of the golf courses try to ram so many golfers through to make more money and encourage riding carts to the detriment of the enjoyment of golfing by walkers. Also, these cart riders violate the rules of the courses by bringing in coolers full of beer and whiskey and often are smoking cigars that you can smell 100 yards away. Really, this is a huge problem and I don't see anyone talking about it. In fact, I have been "canceled" by one of the other threads on MyGolfSpy for even bringing up this topic. But I speak with some authority because I travel quite a bit and their are even regional differences on this and the further south you go the bigger the problem (eg., I get criticized for wanting to walk at some courses). Really! The trend is not our friend! What do you think?

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12 minutes ago, cnosil said:

You simply sound like an angry get off my lawn type of person that does not respect a large portion of the golfing world.    People who walk also bring coolers or outside beverages to the course, smoke cigars, and contribute to pace of play issues.  It seems to be a huge problem in your eyes but mark be not to others.  Some courses only allow walking at certain times or prohibit walking due to the course layout.  You can always play at a different course or time if you really want to walk.   I don’t know what post got “cancelled” but  you don’t seem up for a discussion on the topic so you were probably very my way or the highway in any response you would have made.  

I walk and smoke cigars! Walk and smoke who would have guessed that’s possible. It definitely keeps the bugs down and it’s enjoyable for me.

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43 minutes ago, tommc23 said:

I walk and smoke cigars! Walk and smoke who would have guessed that’s possible. It definitely keeps the bugs down and it’s enjoyable for me.

I did the same, 2 cigars a round while walking.    
Didn’t do the alcohol until after round.

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55 minutes ago, tommc23 said:

I walk and smoke cigars! Walk and smoke who would have guessed that’s possible. It definitely keeps the bugs down and it’s enjoyable for me.

I don't smoke but don't mind riding in the cart (gasp!!) of a cigar smoker since it does help keep the bugs away.

Does this mean we shouldn't be doing fireball shots for birdies?? 

I have rode a higher % this year than ever because our membership includes a cart and I am usually getting out late afternoon or evening and it allows me to play faster and jump around a sparsely populated course to get in as many holes as possible.  

 

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I took a course a couple years back to get my bartending license here in NC and that's when I learned that it's a violation of state law to bring alcohol of any kind onto a golf course. AND it's the course that gets punished for a violation and not the golfer. So when I (hypothetically, of course) bring my cooler full of Ultras and a couple airline bottles of birdie juice, the course could lose their license to serve. 

I asked the head pro about it and he said, "hell, I don't care. Nobody's coming out here checking on that $h#*." 

In terms of what's germane to the thread, the only things I truly care about: 

  1. play in less than 5 hours and/or let me play through
  2. don't hit into me
  3. either don't restrict walking times or include the cart fee in the price or charge me a cart fee and let me walk anyways (I get you want to make money. I'm not mad about it. I just prefer to walk. And yeah, I get pretty salty when they say, "you can't walk bEcAuSe pAcE-oF-pLaY.")
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5 minutes ago, greggarner said:

I took a course a couple years back to get my bartending license here in NC and that's when I learned that it's a violation of state law to bring alcohol of any kind onto a golf course. AND it's the course that gets punished for a violation and not the golfer. So when I (hypothetically, of course) bring my cooler full of Ultras and a couple airline bottles of birdie juice, the course could lose their license to serve. 

I asked the head pro about it and he said, "hell, I don't care. Nobody's coming out here checking on that $h#*." 

In terms of what's germane to the thread, the only things I truly care about: 

  1. play in less than 5 hours and/or let me play through
  2. don't hit into me
  3. either don't restrict walking times or include the cart fee in the price or charge me a cart fee and let me walk anyways (I get you want to make money. I'm not mad about it. I just prefer to walk. And yeah, I get pretty salty when they say, "you can't walk bEcAuSe pAcE-oF-pLaY.")

I agree with the pace of play. I walk fast I typically get a round done in 3 hours, by far not what @Shanksterdoes but I fell 3 hours is a good pace

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The most shocking thing I learned from this thread is you need a license to be a bartender in NC...... one of the great bastions of moonshine..... think of the irony!  🤣

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20 minutes ago, greggarner said:

I took a course a couple years back to get my bartending license here in NC and that's when I learned that it's a violation of state law to bring alcohol of any kind onto a golf course. AND it's the course that gets punished for a violation and not the golfer. So when I (hypothetically, of course) bring my cooler full of Ultras and a couple airline bottles of birdie juice, the course could lose their license to serve. 

I asked the head pro about it and he said, "hell, I don't care. Nobody's coming out here checking on that $h#*." 

In terms of what's germane to the thread, the only things I truly care about: 

  1. play in less than 5 hours and/or let me play through
  2. don't hit into me
  3. either don't restrict walking times or include the cart fee in the price or charge me a cart fee and let me walk anyways (I get you want to make money. I'm not mad about it. I just prefer to walk. And yeah, I get pretty salty when they say, "you can't walk bEcAuSe pAcE-oF-pLaY.")

Using the excuse that walkers are slow is bogus.  Walkers can be just as fast and if 2 in a cart sometimes faster.

miss walking but knees/age stopped that a while ago.  

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I don't mind the cigars nearly as much as the pot. Marijuana use on our local courses has soared the past few years. Never could stand the smell of it, but worse is that most of the smokers get worse and MUCH slower as the round goes on. Keep weeds and weed off my course, please. 

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2 hours ago, Shapotomous said:

The most shocking thing I learned from this thread is you need a license to be a bartender in NC...... one of the great bastions of moonshine..... think of the irony!  🤣

Yeah, liquor laws here definitely over-corrected... A couple years back, there was a huge push by golf courses and restaurants for legislation that would allow alcohol on Sundays before noon. As such, the 'brunch bill' was born (and passed!) But you still can't buy liquor on Sundays. (All of our liquor stores are state-run)

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2 hours ago, greggarner said:

Yeah, liquor laws here definitely over-corrected... A couple years back, there was a huge push by golf courses and restaurants for legislation that would allow alcohol on Sundays before noon. As such, the 'brunch bill' was born (and passed!) But you still can't buy liquor on Sundays. (All of our liquor stores are state-run)

I remember those laws when heading down to OBX for the weekend.  

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I walk with my push cart as often as I can, and where golf course layout/policy allows.  It's great exercise and I prefer the pace.  I find I'm able to focus better on my game when not hoping in/out of carts - particularly when with a second rider.  I cannot recall a situation where my walking with a cart and those riding in carts created an issue.  As @Rickppointed out, I find walkers to be as fast (maybe faster) than carts with two players.  We play a couple of courses here in Yuma that simply do not allow walking do to the long distances between a handful of greens and tees... one almost 1/2 mile 😲.  I play another course where you can walk (and I do) but the rate is the same as having the cart ... how's that for dedication? 🙂

Courses squeezing in extra tee time slots really has little to do with walk or ride.  Those that do compress times are simply trying to maximize play but they really should know how their course plays and whether it's more a detriment to the patrons experience.  I find courses that utilize marshal's generally keep pace of play in good shape. 

As for the BYOB, cigars, and cigarettes, I put them in the same category as sunflower seeds and chew.  If you create burn spots or litter the greens and tees with your vices, I'll sort of kindly let you know about it.  If you respond in a defiant manner, I'll let the course management know about it as well.

We've had numerous threads that discuss walking, riding, and bad habits on the course.  If anyone's been banned for it, that's news to me.

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The real problem is the people that play game improvement clubs and not blades!!! Then they walk around the club house thinking they are so good at golf..... ITS OUTRAGEOUS!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Who gives a damn what others do on the course! Let people enjoy the game the way they want too! 

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