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15 hours ago, GolfSpy MPR said:

Yeah, it's hard to say exactly what it is. In my first post, I have them both (the EXO and the MLA) listed with essentially the same amount of toe hang, so that is fascinating: that isn't the difference. The EXO has made homemade Stroke Lab shaft and a Gravity Grip. I'm really tempted to make another couple DIY Stroke Lab shafts after I finish the test, and put them in the MLA and the Cleveland.

You are going to have to steer me in the direction of how to make a DYI Stroke Lab shaft--- Sounds like fun--- Heck I have plenty of putters to experiment with

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Driver Homna  G1- X Stock Homna Regular shaft

4 wood Adams Tight Lies 

20* Hybrid Adams Boxer Ozik Matrix R shaft

24* Hybrid Adams A 10-OS Pro Launch Red R

Irons 5 thru PW 1980 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex #2 shafts

SW- Macgregor LRA 56* S-400

Putter 1997 Santa Fe rusty as heck

 

 

 

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Do tell @GolfSpy MPR on the DIY strokelab shafts.  I'm living my DIY life vicariously through you right now

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SkyCaddie SX400
OGIO Silencer:  Followed by Arccos
:cobra-small: F9 TL, Atmos TS Blue
:nike-small: Vapor Fly 3, Diamana Blue, Covert 2.0 3H, Kuro Kage Black
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Wilson D7 Irons 4-GW,  Dynamic Gold AMT
:ping-small: Glide  52, 56 ES
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29 minutes ago, JohnSmalls said:

Do tell @GolfSpy MPR on the DIY strokelab shafts.  I'm living my DIY life vicariously through you right now

I put up a thread about my build here: 

 

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:callaway-small: Epic Flash Sub Zero, 9°, Aldila Rogue White 70 X
:taylormade-small: M4 3HL 16.5°, Atmos Red 60
:cobra-small: F6 5-6W, 19.5°, Fujikura Motore 6.3
:755178188_TourEdge: CBX 20°, Project X HZRDUS 85 5.5
Currently testing: :Sub70: 699 Pro, Modus3 105, 5–PW
:cleveland-small: CBX 48°
:cleveland-small: RTX-3 CB 54° and 60°
:odyssey-small: Stroke Lab EXO Seven Mini, 34"
:srixon-small: Z-Star XV

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For whatever reason, it and I have never gotten on all that well. That said, this is only round one, and so there's a lot of putts left to roll.

FYI, I had the original MLA grip replaced with a Superstroke Mid 2.0 and has improved a lot.


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Left Hand, 

Driver; Ping G410 Plus

5 Wood; Cally Steelhead 

5 Hybrid; Cally Steelhead

Irons; Ping G410 5-SW & Mizno 919 Hot Metal 5-SW

Putter; Waaay too many to list

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I put up a thread about my build here: 
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This gas me thinking about a project with one of my putters. Now which putter is the question.
My Tad Moore is my most inconsistent putter and nay be a candidate.


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Rick

 

 

Left Hand, 

Driver; Ping G410 Plus

5 Wood; Cally Steelhead 

5 Hybrid; Cally Steelhead

Irons; Ping G410 5-SW & Mizno 919 Hot Metal 5-SW

Putter; Waaay too many to list

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On 11/7/2019 at 10:54 PM, GolfSpy MPR said:

Round 2 is complete, with some absolutely interesting results tonight.

The last putter to go in Round 2 was the MLA. For those following along at home, you've seen that for some reason, the MLA and I just have never clicked. It also underperformed the first time I did this putter challenge. I can't put my finger on exactly why.

So I grabbed the MLA, did my normal brief warm-up to get accustomed to the face (I do this with every putter before each test), and then proceeded to putt like total garbage. I made 9/10 four-footers on the PuttOUT, with no perfect putts. I then made a decent 10/18 in that drill, which is right at the average.

But on the PuttOUT gate drill, I hit the gate every single time. A 0/10! I'd never done that before.

I still had a little time left to putt, so I decided to start round 3, and first up for Round 3 was my Odyssey EXO Indy. This made me nervous; the Indy had been performing very well so far, and my fear was that I was just having a bad putting evening and I was about to tank my Indy's numbers.

On the four-footers: I made three perfect putts, but missed one. Even so, with the perfects, my total was 15 points, which is a new high score.

Then on the 18 putt drill, I made the first 13 in a row. I have never done that; my previous total record was 14/18. Unfortunately, the last five (longer putts that break right) is my weakest station, and I made only 1/5. Still, that's 14/18, tying my lifetime best.

The gate drill was still a bit shaky: I only made 5/10, but the misses were distributed left and right, rather than concentrated on the left side.

On the whole, I found those two rounds to be very enlightening. Whether its mental or physical, I cannot fully say. But it was strong proof to me that a putter can work with you or a putter can fight you.

Here are the current standings, with Round 3 just underway (reminder: red is good):

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This is the first year I've really done much in the way of consistent putting practice, and tracking progress, and I have been so surprised at how streaky I can be.

I'll line up and feel like there's no way I could miss if I wanted to for 5-10 putts in a row, then something will get a little shaky and I'll feel like there's nothing I can do to roll one on line.

I know my putting is nothing remarkable, and my stroke has a ways to go in the way of consistency. But I also wonder how much of putting is the confidence you have standing over the putt as well.

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Right Handed

Driver (9.5°): :taylormade-small: R9 SupterTri (Fujikura MotoreF1 65 Stiff shaft)

FW (15°): :callaway-logo-1: X2 Hot (Aldila Tour Green 75 Tx Stiff shaft)

Hybrid (18°): :tour-edge: Exotics EXS Pro (Evenflow Black 6.5) (2020 MGS Official Review here)

Irons (PW-3) :ping-small: Eye 2's

Wedges (52° & 60°): :callaway-logo-1: Mack Daddy 2's

Putter: :EVNROLL: ER2B (2019 MGS Official Review here)

Ball: :Snell: MTB-Black OR MAXFLI Tour

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Four rounds and 912 putts later (152 with each putter), we have final results!

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Let's break this chart down a bit. The way the scoring works is this: there are three different events. In each event, the highest score that any putter achieved becomes the top score; everything else is calculated as a percentage of that number. So (for instance) if the highest score in one category is a 10, then a putter that scored a 7 would receive a 70%. Each event counts as 33% of the final score, so that if one putter scored the highest in all three categories, it would be rated 99%.

With that, the standings are:

  1. Odyssey EXO Indy: 95.2%
  2. [TIE] Frontline Elevado, TaylorMade Spider Tour: 94.8%
  3. Evnroll Tour Stroke Trainer: 94.2%
  4. Odyssey Stroke Lab 1: 79.1%
  5. MLA XDream: 74.8%

There's a clear gap between the top four and the bottom two. In a way, I suppose I'm not totally stunned that the Stroke Lab 1 didn't rank higher: I haven't gamed a simple Anser-style blade in years. I've used a double-wide Nike (now owned by @downlowkey) and an Odyssey Toe Up 1, but not a standard blade. The Stroke Lab 1 performed the worst in the 18 putts drill, where I'm just trying to make putts. That isn't a great sign for its fit for me.

As for the MLA: it's just not meant to be. I've owned it for several years. I would think that the alignment tech and the Flat Cat would make it almost a training-aid, but something about it has never clicked with me. I'm likely going to go list it in the classifieds section here, hoping that it will find a better fit in its next life.

Of the top four, the Tour Stroke Trainer has the most interesting results. By far, it was the putter with the greatest success in the gate drill, putting up an above average score in every single round. In addition, I kept track of the miss tendency with each putter in the gate drill, and the Evnroll not only made the most, but the misses didn't show a prevailing tendency to pulls, which was rare:

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However, the Evnroll TST performed poorly at actually making putts, finishing below average in both in the 18 putt drill and the 4' PuttOut drill. This mirrored my (admittedly limited) experience that I had with it on the course: I struggled with short putts for some reason. My intention is to keep the Evnroll around and use it as a training aid, hoping that I can use it with the gate, switching back and forth between it and the putter I'm gaming to improve the ability to start my gamer on my intended line.

The Cleveland Elevado Frontline finished strong, climbing in the rankings in the final round. I really like the alignment on the Frontline: a simple line on the topline of the putter (with the 2135 feature). As I said in a prior post, I might have to tinker with this putter a bit more. Putting the Flat Cat Slim on here wasn't the best idea, as it is far too light. I am likely to end up building another DIY Stroke Lab shaft for this with a heavy grip (perhaps another Gravity Grip).

The Spider and the EXO Indy were at the top of the leaderboard the entire tournament. I bought the Spider last winter, and I'm not sure if it's ever seen the course yet. The Indy was my main putter last season, and I do wonder if that was a factor in my results here. Even so, having put it up against all these putters and seeing it come out on top is truly confidence-building. It isn't the same as getting a full fitting, but I can go to the course knowing that this is a putter that does work for me.

So what's next? My plan is now to focus on putting practice with the EXO Indy, using (as mentioned) the Evnroll as part of my practice to improve my start line control with the Indy. I'll spend some time in the next week or so creating a series of drills specifically designed primarily to improve (rather than to simply measure) my putting. I'll continue to post here about my progress, and then early into to next season to see if (after the snow melts) the work pays off on the actual course.

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:callaway-small: Epic Flash Sub Zero, 9°, Aldila Rogue White 70 X
:taylormade-small: M4 3HL 16.5°, Atmos Red 60
:cobra-small: F6 5-6W, 19.5°, Fujikura Motore 6.3
:755178188_TourEdge: CBX 20°, Project X HZRDUS 85 5.5
Currently testing: :Sub70: 699 Pro, Modus3 105, 5–PW
:cleveland-small: CBX 48°
:cleveland-small: RTX-3 CB 54° and 60°
:odyssey-small: Stroke Lab EXO Seven Mini, 34"
:srixon-small: Z-Star XV

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@GolfSpy MPR, are your grips on with tape or just blown on?  I am really curious about that gravity grip on the Frontline. If I recall, isn't that a bit narrower than the Lamkin Sinkfit that comes stock on the Frontline?

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:adams-small: Adams XTD Ti 18 deg 3Hy

:benhogan-small: Ben Hogan PTx 22-46 

:benhogan-small: Ben Hogan TK15 50, 54, 58 deg wedges

:cameron-small: Futura 5.5

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On 10/28/2019 at 2:40 PM, BIG STU said:

OK I made my selections and here they are along with history

Macgregor IM-5 Ironmaster--- got it around 1972 or so--- A friend of mine named Kenny gave it to me. Kenny is the man who instilled the Love of Macgregor clubs in me. Of course the putter is named "Kenny

It's not me... but dang, I wish it was.  

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9 hours ago, romeopapazulu said:

@GolfSpy MPR, are your grips on with tape or just blown on?  I am really curious about that gravity grip on the Frontline. If I recall, isn't that a bit narrower than the Lamkin Sinkfit that comes stock on the Frontline?

I typically still use tape for mine. And yes, the Gravity Grip is narrower, with a more pronounced flatness to the sides than the stock grip.


:callaway-small: Epic Flash Sub Zero, 9°, Aldila Rogue White 70 X
:taylormade-small: M4 3HL 16.5°, Atmos Red 60
:cobra-small: F6 5-6W, 19.5°, Fujikura Motore 6.3
:755178188_TourEdge: CBX 20°, Project X HZRDUS 85 5.5
Currently testing: :Sub70: 699 Pro, Modus3 105, 5–PW
:cleveland-small: CBX 48°
:cleveland-small: RTX-3 CB 54° and 60°
:odyssey-small: Stroke Lab EXO Seven Mini, 34"
:srixon-small: Z-Star XV

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