Consistent Toe Contacts!

[Louielouie]

Hi, recently ive been hitting my irons off the toe really bad but i dont know why. 

My swing is very much like a Justin Thomas (im about the same height as him), very upright, and fire my hip really early.

I plays my irons 1 degree flat.

I am suspecting 2 things that could be the problem,

1. Because of the hip firing early, my left heel is off the ground at impact, sometime it even jump backward. (like a Kyle Bershire move) However this is unlikely because ive been playing like this my whole life.

2. Is that my club are too flat for me, Im not sure but i think upright swingers need an upright lie angle. (JT and DJ plays 1 deg up from what i read)

What do you think is the problem? Thanks for your helps!

[DaveP043]

Its really impossible for anyone to tell you without seeing your swing.  If you have video, some knowledgeable folks might be able to help a little, but in most cases what a player feels like he's doing is different from what he's actually doing.    

[Hook DeLoft]

Video your swing and note how high your head is at impact vs address. You may be “standing up” at some point in your swing. 

[CRW]

I’m no expert, but from what I’ve seen/read early extension is usually the culprit. 

[DaveP043]

Yup, two common visible faults, goat-humping leading to early extension.  But what causes THOSE?

[RickyBobby_PR]

3 hours ago, Louielouie said:

Hi, recently ive been hitting my irons off the toe really bad but i dont know why. 

My swing is very much like a Justin Thomas (im about the same height as him), very upright, and fire my hip really early.

I plays my irons 1 degree flat.

I am suspecting 2 things that could be the problem,

1. Because of the hip firing early, my left heel is off the ground at impact, sometime it even jump backward. (like a Kyle Bershire move) However this is unlikely because ive been playing like this my whole life.

2. Is that my club are too flat for me, Im not sure but i think upright swingers need an upright lie angle. (JT and DJ plays 1 deg up from what i read)

What do you think is the problem? Thanks for your helps!

More than likely it’s number 1 and it’s causing you to get stuck and have to stall the hips, stand up and throw your arms hands at the ball and this causes a high handle which results in the toe hits.

Post a swing

 

[RickyBobby_PR]

3 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

Yup, two common visible faults, goat-humping leading to early extension.  But what causes THOSE?

Balance points being off usually too far on the toes at setup causing lack of rotation in the swing. Depending on how the golfer reacts they will have a steep shaft that going to cause them to get stuck, many times dumping the back shoulder then have to manipulate the arms and hands to get to the ball. If the don’t dump the shoulder early it’s just standing up at that point 

When my swing is off these are my faults.

 

[DaveP043]

3 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Balance points being off usually too far on the toes at setup causing lack of rotation in the swing. Depending on how the golfer reacts they will have a steep shaft that going to cause them to get stuck, many times dumping the back shoulder then have to manipulate the arms and hands to get to the ball. If the don’t dump the shoulder early it’s just standing up at that point 

When my swing is off these are my faults.

In my own swing, I used to set up with too much knee flex.  I could move laterally in the forward swing, but the knee flex limited my hip rotation, which caused ME to flip, creating inconsistent contact.  So many root causes that can cause a similar visual "fault".

[RickyBobby_PR]

10 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

In my own swing, I used to set up with too much knee flex.  I could move laterally in the forward swing, but the knee flex limited my hip rotation, which caused ME to flip, creating inconsistent contact.  So many root causes that can cause a similar visual "fault".

That’s another potential cause for the early extension too. Iirc Monte gets into the too much knee flex in his efficient swing video and the recently released early extension. Several YouTube instructors talk about it as well as the weight being too far over the toes. Both are pretty common amongst us amateurs 

[Louielouie]

17 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

More than likely it’s number 1 and it’s causing you to get stuck and have to stall the hips, stand up and throw your arms hands at the ball and this causes a high handle which results in the toe hits.

Post a swing

 

My town just go back in to quarantine so i cant post a swing right now but i will as soon as possible! 

I pretty sure that in my swing my back kinda back away from the ball which means that im further away. I should add this whenever i would feel like im re-routing the club (like a matt wolf swing) i would hit it flush. That make me hook the ball but its flush every-time.

[ballplayer002003]

5 hours ago, Louielouie said:

My town just go back in to quarantine so i cant post a swing right now but i will as soon as possible! 

I pretty sure that in my swing my back kinda back away from the ball which means that im further away. I should add this whenever i would feel like im re-routing the club (like a matt wolf swing) i would hit it flush. That make me hook the ball but its flush every-time.

By re-routing the club like Matt Wolf, I am picturing you just shallowing out your swing, making sure you don't come in as steep.  This would give you the tendency to draw or hook more.  That's not a bad thing.  It also sounds like you are not throwing your hands down at the ball anymore either when you do this.  Again, it is hard to tell without a video.  

Back in quarantine...what town? 

[Louielouie]

8 hours ago, ballplayer002003 said:

By re-routing the club like Matt Wolf, I am picturing you just shallowing out your swing, making sure you don't come in as steep.  This would give you the tendency to draw or hook more.  That's not a bad thing.  It also sounds like you are not throwing your hands down at the ball anymore either when you do this.  Again, it is hard to tell without a video.  

Back in quarantine...what town? 

Yup I get it so basically I’m coming in too steep. So I just need to find that balance for shallowing so that I’m not going to hook it. 
 

um I live in Australia. 
 

Thank you so much for your helps!

 

[Hook DeLoft]

14 hours ago, Louielouie said:

My town just go back in to quarantine so i cant post a swing right now but i will as soon as possible! 

I pretty sure that in my swing my back kinda back away from the ball which means that im further away. I should add this whenever i would feel like im re-routing the club (like a matt wolf swing) i would hit it flush. That make me hook the ball but its flush every-time.

Ah, the flushed hook. If I had a nickel...

[ballplayer002003]

13 hours ago, Louielouie said:

Yup I get it so basically I’m coming in too steep. So I just need to find that balance for shallowing so that I’m not going to hook it. 
 

um I live in Australia. 
 

Thank you so much for your helps!

 

Australia...ummmm ok.  haha Hope you guys get out soon and they lift it.  

[MadMex]

When I hit on the toe, am coming over the top.