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2019 Official Forum Member Review-Lynx Black Cat and Prowler VT Irons

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I played my first full round with the Prowler VTs today as the primary irons in my bag (I have played a bunch of practice rounds with them in the bag against my gamers).  These irons are just flat out long to give one comment.  I had 251 yards into our par 5 4th and hit a four iron to the front fringe, granted there is a little runway to run it on but never could carry my TMB 4 iron down there to even get to the runway.  On 18 I had 167 yards into a slight breeze and hit 9 iron over the green into the back fringe.  Not sure yet if this is a good thing or a bad thing for my game as distance is generally not an issue for me.  Overall they were solid and I played just a tad bit better yesterday with today's 68.

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Played my fourth round with The Black Cats last week. I can tell you I am in love with this 8 iron. Have not hit a bad shot with the 8 yet!

So continue looking at the approach numbers on :Arccos: (18 rounds total)

16 rounds with my AP1 816 irons 4 lowest approach handicap rounds were 17.0, 16.0, 15.6, 15.5

4 rounds with  The Black Cats  in order of play 16.2, 16.1, 14.7, 13.1   which as you can see includes the two lowest rounds while tracking with :Arccos:

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I like this trend 🏌️‍♂️

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Finally played my first long round with the VTs yesterday. 6900 yds. Shot 84 but I won't completely blame or give credit to the clubs.

Driver was hot and so we're the wedges. Putter was on target but left probably 6 5-10' putts 1-2" short which is was a killer. The course was in less than decent condition with some furry greens that were about 50% under repair. Pretty annoying.

Am considering a 2nd opinion on the adjustments as I was firing a stronger fade than I like to see. Thinking I might need another half degree upright. Having some trouble releasing and squaring the club which doesn't help.

Question for the VT crew: you notice how the face naturally falls open at address when not gripping/holding the club? I haven't noticed this with other clubs and my Maltbys sit square on their own. Probably nothing but something worth asking around about. Wonder if they're a tad back side toe-heavy?

the more I practice, the luckier I seem to get..
 

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I shot a 45 yesterday that included 2 double pars 8 and 6 😞

had I not ruined those holes it could very well have been my first sub 40 for 9.  Oh well, next time! 🙂

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Nice video of a fitting at Lynx from Golf Vlogs UK




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Finally played my first long round with the VTs yesterday. 6900 yds. Shot 84 but I won't completely blame or give credit to the clubs.

Driver was hot and so we're the wedges. Putter was on target but left probably 6 5-10' putts 1-2" short which is was a killer. The course was in less than decent condition with some furry greens that were about 50% under repair. Pretty annoying.

Am considering a 2nd opinion on the adjustments as I was firing a stronger fade than I like to see. Thinking I might need another half degree upright. Having some trouble releasing and squaring the club which doesn't help.

Question for the VT crew: you notice how the face naturally falls open at address when not gripping/holding the club? I haven't noticed this with other clubs and my Maltbys sit square on their own. Probably nothing but something worth asking around about. Wonder if they're a tad back side toe-heavy?

the more I practice, the luckier I seem to get..
 


Haven’t noticed it but I generally like the club to sit open anyway.


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Sorry for the delay in a LOT of thoughts I have on the Black Cats - I just started a new job, and have been incredibly busy the past week.

I played a bunch of rounds (around 😎 during my time between jobs, here are my thoughts and some pictures to support some good/bad things.

1. Distance

The Lynx Black Cat's have a more "traditional" loft setup, very similar to my old Adams Idea Black irons. When I switched to the Cobra Irons from the Adams, I was expecting a giant distance gain - That turned out not to be the case. (I will use my 7 iron distances for these examples). Here are the lofts:

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^Adams Idea Pro Black CB1 Forged Irons Lofts

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^Cobra King F8 Irons Lofts

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^Lynx Black Cat Iron Lofts

Adams Irons: Average 140-145 yards (only on very well struck balls would I reach 145)

Cobra F8: Average 145-155 yards (very small increase, and only very well struck balls would reach 155 - and trended toward 150 more frequently after lessons)

Black Cat: Average 145 (really doesn't matter how good or bad I strike them, they go right about 145 in almost any situation)

As I have taken some lessons toward the end of 2018, I noticed my distance gaining a little bit. I directly tie this to the golf lessons. I have had two lessons with the Black Cat irons as well, so any technique/swing improvements will have been translated to this as well.

My conclusion a few weeks in is that the cobra F8's have a few more yards to squeeze out of them, while the Black Cat's are incredibly consistent (and do fly straighter). I will continue to play around with all three of these irons, and update from a range session using only these irons.

2. Spin

After the aforementioned golf lessons, my ball striking improved. After taking some of them, I began to hit my irons with backspin - something I had only seen on TV or YouTube. After comparing the groove depths of the Cobra irons and the Black Cat's - I was concerned I'd lose this cool party trick.

After my first 8-ish rounds with the Black Cats - almost all irons seem to drop and stop within a 2 foot radius of my divot (left/right/forward/back depending on if I had a slight draw/fade or slope of the green):

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I have WAY more of these types of pictures - but figure this does about show it. All of these shots were hit with a club between the Black Cat PW-7 Iron. This is a positive if you look at it right. Combining this with the very consistent distance of the Black Cat Irons, you will pretty much know exactly where the shot will land and end at the end of almost any iron shot. The only time I experienced major backspin is on a green greatly sloped against the tee box on Par 3 Hole 17 at Meadowbrook CC in Richmond:

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 So if you know what the greens are like, club up!

Overall, I am enjoying the predictability of these clubs, but the potential loss of distance could be a killer (since I don't hit the ball far anyway)

 

I'll continue to update, and would love to answer any questions anyone has!

Note: in these spin pictures, I am using the Srixon Z Star XV in each shot (bought a bunch of them at Dick's during their BoGo)

 

 

 

 

 

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put the pictures in the right places!
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Black Cat Testers - would you want to order any additional set wedges, GW and/or SW with these irons?

VT Testers - do you feel that these irons need a set GW to be offered, or would you rather stick to "typical" wedges like Vokey/Cleveland/Ping?

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Black Cat Testers - would you want to order any additional set wedges, GW and/or SW with these irons?
VT Testers - do you feel that these irons need a set GW to be offered, or would you rather stick to "typical" wedges like Vokey/Cleveland/Ping?

When I had the lofts and lies checked my PW came in at 44* so everything fit gap wise for me with my 48* normal wedge already in the bag. I had a set GW in my A Tours but honestly almost always pulled the 48* out instead. It was just easier to hit partial shots with. I could only take a full swing with the set GW.


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Black Cat Testers - would you want to order any additional set wedges, GW and/or SW with these irons?
VT Testers - do you feel that these irons need a set GW to be offered, or would you rather stick to "typical" wedges like Vokey/Cleveland/Ping?
With the VT's at least, I feel like it was the right move not to include a GW. The PW with it's larger face surface area has probably the least pleasing acoustics of all of the clubs in the set. Which I still find strange as the rest sound great. IMO, profile wise, the PW is close to appearing out of place with the rest of the set but still blends in ok.. A Gap would only likely sound as bad or worse and would probably require a bigger profile than is preferred.

I wouldn't see the type of player interested in this club looking for this type of a GW so it might not be a heavy request.

the more I practice, the luckier I seem to get..

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20 hours ago, goaliewales14 said:

Black Cat Testers - would you want to order any additional set wedges, GW and/or SW with these irons?

VT Testers - do you feel that these irons need a set GW to be offered, or would you rather stick to "typical" wedges like Vokey/Cleveland/Ping?

Yes I would love to try a set of wedges to go with the Back Cat irons !

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Black Cat Testers - would you want to order any additional set wedges, GW and/or SW with these irons?
VT Testers - do you feel that these irons need a set GW to be offered, or would you rather stick to "typical" wedges like Vokey/Cleveland/Ping?
Initial thought, yes. Now that I've played a few more rounds with them, I'm more inclined to say no. I think they should offer irons 3-9. If they want to start a line of wedges, that could be interesting.

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6 hours ago, azstu324 said:

With the VT's at least, I feel like it was the right move not to include a GW. The PW with it's larger face surface area has probably the least pleasing acoustics of all of the clubs in the set. Which I still find strange as the rest sound great. IMO, profile wise, the PW is close to appearing out of place with the rest of the set but still blends in ok.. A Gap would only likely sound as bad or worse and would probably require a bigger profile than is preferred.

I wouldn't see the type of player interested in this club looking for this type of a GW so it might not be a heavy request. emoji2375.png

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The set gap wedge from my old cavity back Mizunos was a perfectly useable club, but it looked like a frying pan at the end of the shaft.  It was fugly.

Cobra didn't have a bad idea with the wedges in the F8 set, but for the target audience, the Cleveland CBX is probably the best design.  It may seem like it's the size of a tennis racket, but it's shaped so nicely and it's so easy to hit that you learn to love it quickly.  Makes me think I should put it back in the bag...

 

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On 8/3/2019 at 4:47 PM, knightsofnii said:

I need to clean these guys and get proper photos, but here is the status as to the PVD finish after a good thrashing.  64 holes this week and a half dozen 9 holers prior and the P has a new sole grind 🤣🤣🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

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That's just no bueno.  Is PVD that much cheaper?

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18 minutes ago, HardcoreLooper said:
The set gap wedge from my old cavity back Mizunos was a perfectly useable club, but it looked like a frying pan at the end of the shaft.  It was fugly.
Cobra didn't have a bad idea with the wedges in the F8 set, but for the target audience, the Cleveland CBX is probably the best design.  It may seem like it's the size of a tennis racket, but it's shaped so nicely and it's so easy to hit that you learn to love it quickly.  Makes me think I should put it back in the bag...
 

Yeah I love my Maltby DBM set Gap. It fits right into the set, looks good, and doesn't give any reasons to look for an alternative. That said, the Maltby DBMs are very basic in design and tech and are single piece forged so not much to have to re-engineer to make it work. If that makes sense.

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Just for reference, here are the profiles at address for the PW, 7i, and 3i in case anybody cared to see. Still working on an acoustics video to capture the sound differencesinCollage_20190809_194622104.jpeg

the more I practice, the luckier I seem to get..

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Black Cat Testers - would you want to order any additional set wedges, GW and/or SW with these irons?
VT Testers - do you feel that these irons need a set GW to be offered, or would you rather stick to "typical" wedges like Vokey/Cleveland/Ping?


I asked for a gap wedge to go along with the set because the lofts matched up almost perfectly. And I still wish it came with one!


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After today’s round I noticed something that has me thinking that the tour 90 shafts aren’t for me. I hit an extra ball or 2 every now and again to try to judge consistency. I already hit the ball high but with the wind today added in, I was easily 3 clubs short of normal. I suspect it is the extra height and spin.

It is kinda like a catch 22 though as I really enjoy the extra spin when the wind is down. I mean what’s not to enjoy knowing a well struck shot will end up within a couple feet of where it lands. Even the 6 iron stops on a dime.

 

[mention=76102]azstu324[/mention] mentioned some acoustic differences but for me all the irons have the same feel and sound when struck properly. I did however notice today that every iron did flop open when grounded.

 

 

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So here are a few videos

This first one is to demonstrate the acoustics. The camera didn't quite pick up the PW and 9i like I'd hoped but you can still see a subtle difference. Toe strikes tend to amplify the sound.

 

PW Video. 

 

9i video

 

7i shapes. Draw, Fade, and Low. Please excuse the awkward hand signals.

 

3i Stinger

This one is the bonus video. The 3 and 4 are just low blistering rockets. So fun to hit!

 

 

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