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Introduction

Hello everyone, my name is Ian Lydon, I want to thank the forum staff for selecting me for the test and Sub 70 for giving us another testing opportunity. I’ll start on the personal side before I get into my golfing information. I am 33 years old and returning to golf after playing only a handful of times in the past few years. I am a father of three, I have two little boys Ian (6) and Liam (5) and a little girl Olivia (2 months old).

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I have been married to my wife Laura for just over 9 years. We are both from the Philadelphia area and big sports fans. After 17 years of being on the waiting list for Eagles season tickets I finally got them(Thanks to mom and dad for keeping their landline). I got the tickets but found out about 2 weeks later Id be moving to San Diego for about 5 years.

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While I was stationed  in San Diego, CA I served on the USS ANNAPOLIS as fast attack submarine where I was a mechanic. I was in the service for just over 8 years, I currently work at a nuclear power plant in southeastern PA as a maintenance planner. I am also in school studying Physics through Arizona State University, outside of school and work my kids take up most of my time. Both my boys have an affinity for sports much like I did growing up and have recently fallen in love with golf. This has made getting back into golf a much smoother process than I originally had thought it would be and I am thankful to get to spend quality time playing the game with them.

Years ago, when I was stationed in San Diego and the boys were younger getting out and playing proved much easier than it was my last few years while stationed there. I was previously a 10-15 handicap player; wedges have always been a major strength in my game and my PING stealth 2.0 glides have been my favorite clubs in the bag since I got them.

What I look forward to most testing the wedges is getting to see a comparison between older wedges and a set with fresh grooves. Many of the courses I play with my boys are wedge dominant for me so I will plan to get a lot of my testing done on the course with the ability to hit full shots into the greens and see how they hold up around the greens. I play an older set of irons with a PW at 47 degrees, and I have had concern about how to bridge the gap between my wedges if I were to get new irons. This is why I went with a 58-degree 11 bounce wedge and a 52-degree 9 bounce wedge. I previously played 52, 56, 60-degree wedges and I like to play full shots with all three. I am also curious about how the wedges workability will with shot shaping and their versatility in different lies. Outside of the on course testing I will be using my Garmin R10 at the local grass range and the indoor simulators for getting some raw data together.

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Reach out if you have anything you want to see tested out and Id be happy to try and work that into my test. I appreciate it everyone. Also one  last picture of Murphy making sure we don't forget he was the baby first.

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First Impressions (20 out of 20)

Unboxing and Initial Impressions:

I received my 52- and 58-degree Sub 70 wedges, and they are as good or better looking than any top brand wedges on the market. Packaged just how you would expect quality clubs to arrive. The build and shipping were also very quick.

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Only changes I made to the stock specs is I used a slightly longer shaft and a midsized grip.

Aesthetics (9 out of 10)

First thing I noticed on the clubs was the face milling, this is a new addition to the wedges this year. On the Sub 70 site they term the process optimized laser grooving. Not sure yet how this will affect performance but makes the wedges great to look at and for some reason a confidence builder for myself while standing over the clubs. The wedges as a whole have a very classic and clean look to them. Based on looks alone I would game these wedges, they look good and are built well, feature everything I look for when purchasing new clubs.

The Numbers (8 out 10)

Full Swing Testing:

Testing was completed at Parformance Golf in Phoenixville, PA using Foresight GC Quad simulators and brand-new Titleist Pro V1 golf balls. I warmed up for about 15 minutes with wedge shots ranging from 25 yards to full swing range.

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(First is a 58 full swing, second is 52 full swing and third is about waist high stock 40-45 yard wedge shot mentioned later on.)

I was able to generate a high level of spin with the 58-degree wedge without sacrificing distance or consistency with my launch angle or carry distances. The club took some getting used to since the weighting was slightly different than my old wedges which were fit all the way down to the shaft. Carry distance was slightly longer than my 60-degree PING Glide 2.0 wedge which I expected due to the 2 degrees of loft. The 52-degree wedge did not disappoint either, the club face much like the 58-degree wedge felt like it was grabbing the ball and generating spin without feeling like I was launching the ball straight up into the air. I had similar shot launch conditions to my old PING Glide 2.0 52-degree wedge, the ball flight was the same as my gamers.

After I completed my spin testing, I did a test on grouping and dispersion of my shots, since wedges are for scoring, this was an important point to test. I am currently a 13.7 handicap player and wedges tend to be a stronger part of my game.

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A carry of 90 yards for my 58-degree wedge was a touch longer than I had expected, with a tight grouping the distance was a pleasant surprise. The 52-degree wedge carried on average 114 which my previous 52-degree PINGs carry was 115 so there was a negligible difference, very tight grouping as well for a club from 114 yards out.

Now with spin, distance and dispersion covered I moved on to wedge shots at about 40 yards. I did this testing at two locations:

Part 1: Parformance Golf in Phoenixville, PA as listed above.

Part 2: The Club at Shannondell, Audubon, PA, this testing was completed on my local practice green, using Titleist Pro V1.

Part 1:

I was happy to see that spin numbers didn’t completely fall off the map(numbers captured above), I was able to get the ball to check consistently and stop, launch angle did climb a bit here which helps with the stopping of the ball but spin numbers would compete with most major wedges on the market.

Part 2:

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No data for this portion as I did not feel my R10 did not provide consistent enough number to trust(ranging from no spin registered to 8000+). The eye test however provided a strong backing to the GC Quad number from part 1. I walked out 40 yards an double checked my set up  using Google Earth and saw very similar results, My aim was to hit shots that would carry to a back flag and quickly stop before running off the back of a green.

Rain Testing:

This testing was completed with help from my Arccos App, Garmin R10 at The Club at Shannondell, Audubon, PA using Titleist Pro V1 RCT golf balls.

The last data testing I did was wet conditions vs. dry conditions. I used my Sub 70 52-degree wedge up against my PING Glide 2.0 52-degree. The Sub 70 wedge did what my wedges do when conditions get wet, I saw a slight drop in spin(-200-300 RPM) and an increase in launch conditions(+4-6 degrees). My Glide 2.0 cruised along giving me very similar numbers as the dry conditions. I will say I did not see a major difference in performance outside of the expected large dispersion area(more of a long oval than a flat one). Even with the larger dispersion area it wasn’t large enough that I would avoid the wedges. I didn’t have any issue with a random flyer other than user error where it was obvious a toe or hosel shank. Only reason I did not give these a 10 out of 10 for numbers was the rain performance, I am comparing the to PING Glides which historically has set the bar for the market when looking for wedges in the rain.

On the Course ( 17 out of 20)

Outside of my testing I played a few rounds with the wedges and came away confident that I could hit any shot I had in the bag. Top performing aspect of the wedges was the 58- out of bunkers,I will never go bag to my old SW(56-degree) and absolutely loved the 58- out of the sand. The bounce on the 58- made for an ideal club out of the sand, I didn’t have any trouble with the club digging, this was in soft dry sand as well as in compact wet sand. I was able to still generate quite a bit of spin out of the sand and after working on bunker shots pre-round I was able to knock a lot of shots close. The sand wear was evident on the face of the wedge but it did not change the performance.

I enjoyed playing all different types of shots from high to low, with the fresh grooves and milled face I was able to hit shots 10 yards and have the bounce and stop. I felt comfortable opening the face on both wedges all the up and letting the bounce do the work for me. 

The Good, the bad, the inbetween (17 out of 20)

The Good:

-Milled face looks great and certainly helped generate spin.

-Repeatability, I played over a 1000 shots bewteen practice and a few rounds and saw no drop off on performance.

-The numbers, I saw more spin and a smaller dispersion from my gamers with almost identical distance numers

The Bad:

-With the satin finish on the wedges I did notice some glare off the face later in the day. I did choose this finish to test this specific issue.

-Rainy conditions the wedges both did not match performance in dry conditions and dispersion increased more in my Sub 70 wedges than my PINGs.

The Inbetween:

-Lack of fitting opportunity. DTC does not allow for hitting the wedges prior to purchasing. There are some options though for those who live in the Sycamore, IL area. They also offer an online fitting tool.

 

Play it or Trade it? (18 out of 20)

I can go into how much I enjoyed playing them in round but the Sub 70 crew says it better in few words “the fully milled sole excels in all turf conditions and shot types, from full shots to the most delicate flop shot. Additionally, the newly optimized laser grooving process allows the addition of micro grooves between the main grooves of the face, improving spin and providing precise distance control.”

As stated I have the 52- and 58-degree wedges, I will continue to game these wedges. I recently purchased new irons and plan to fill in my wedges to appropriate gapping in my bag(I’m looking at going with a 50- and 54- degree and they will be Sub 70). With most big brand wedges coming off the shelves between $160 to $200 I recommend anyone looking for wedges to consider these based on their performance alone(the $135 price tag as a bonus).

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Edited by DonnieGolfs
Final Testing Review

Ian Lydon

Driver: Callaway Rogue 9.5

3W: Cobra LTDx

3H: Callaway XR 16 Pro

Irons: Titleist T100 (2023) PW-6, Titleist T200 (2023) 5-4

Wedges: Sub 70 (52 and 58 Tester)

 

Putter: Ping Anser G2

 

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Congratulations testers!! Looking forward to how these wedges work out for you. 

:titleist-small: TSi3 10° w/ Mitsubishi Tensei 1K Black 65g

:titleist-small: TS2 15° 3W w/ Project X HZRDUS Smoke Black 6.0 70g

:titleist-small: 818 H1 21° Hybrid w/ Mitsubishi Tensei CK Blue 70g

:mizuno-small: MP-18 MMC 2 iron w/ KBS Tour C-Taper S 120g

:mizuno-small: JPX 921 HM 5-GW w/ Project X LZ 5.5 115g

:Sub70: JB Forged 54° & 58° w/ Project X LZ 6.0 120g

:EVNROLL: EV5.3 Black

 

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Congratulations to this diverse group of testers.

Looking forward to their comments and reviews.

Driver & Fairway: :titleist-small: Titleist TSR3 10 degree - :Fuji: Ventus TR Blue & :titleist-small: TSR3 15 - :projectx: Project X Hzrdus Smoke Black 

Hybrid: :callaway-small: Callaway Apex UW 19 - :projectx: Hzrdus Smoke Black

Irons: :titleist-small: Titleist T200 3G (4) & T150 - (5-G) - :projectx: Project X LZ 

Wedges: :vokey-small: Vokey SM8 54, and 58

Putter: :cameron-small: Cameron Phantom X 7

Ball: :titleist-small: Pro V1 & :maxfli: Maxfli Tour

 

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Congratulations all.

In the bag:
Driver:cobra-small: Darkspeed X 9°  UST Mamiya LIN-Q M40X Blue 7F4
Fairway: :callaway-logo-1: Apex UW 19° & 21° Project X HZRDUS Smoke RDX Black 5.5

Irons: :mizuno-small: JPX 923 HMP 5-PW UST Mamiya Recoil 95 F4
Wedges: :mizuno-small: T-22 Denim Copper 48°, 52° & 56° UST Mamiya Recoil 95 F4
Putter :Sub70: Sycamore 005 Wide Blade
Bag: 
:callaway-logo-1: Fairway 14 stand bag
Balls: :callaway-small: Chrome Tour

Cart: :CaddyTek: CaddyLite ONE Ver. 8


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as a fan of wedges, i look forward to reading these reviews.  please put em through their paces.  congratulations to those that were selected.  it truly is an honor and great opportunity.  

Titleist 917D2 10.5

Ben Hogan GS53 3 Wood

PING G425 MAX 5 Wood

Cleveland UHX Launcher 3 Iron

PING G30 5-PW

Cleveland RTX 3.0 50/10 V-MG

Cleveland RTX 3.0 54/14  V-FG

Cleveland RTX 3.0 58/12 V -FG

EVNROLL ER-3

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Thank you Sub70 and MGS!

I think this is going to be a fun test - my current wedges are Cleveland RTX Zipcores and I love them. How will the Sub70's stack up? Time will tell....

Driver:  :callaway-small:Epic Speed 9* (set -1) MMT 70X
3W:bridgestone-small: Tour B JGR Recoil 760ES
3H, 4H: :bridgestone-small: Tour B JGR 19*, 23* Recoil 780ES
4-AW:bridgestone-small: Tour B JGR HF2 Modus3 Tour 105
SW: :cleveland-small: RTX Zipcore Black Satin 54*
LW:Sub70: TAIII Black 58*
Putter:ping-small: Scottsdale TR Senita
Bag: BigMax Dri Active Lite
Ball:taylormade-small: TP5x or :titleist-small: AVX (yellow)
Pushcart: BigMax iQ+

Testing Complete, Final Review PostedSub70 TAIII Forged Wedges

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Congrats testers, may your grooves be sharp and your spin be true 😁

 

In my :titleist-small: cart Bag:

Driver:    :cobra-small: King F9 9° - LH - Atmos Blue TS 6 Stiff
Woods:   :cobra-small: King F9 - LH - 3/4 Wood - Atmos Blue 7 Reg
               :srixon-small: Z U85 2 Iron
Irons:     :titelist-small: T200 4 Iron AMT White S300
  :titelist-small: T100S - LH - 3-48* - AMT White S300
Wedges:               Indi FLX- LH - 52° 56° 60° - True Temper Spinner Wedge shafts
Putter:    :rife-putters-1: 2 Bar Hybrid
Ball:        :titelist-small: Pro V1x

Testing: Haywood CB/MB Combo Iron Set, 4-7 Cavity backs, 8-PW Muscle Backs, True Temper Dynamic Gold 105 Stiff, 2 Degrees stronger lofts.

Tracked By: :Arccos:

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Congrats testers! Interested in your findings, as I may be in the market for a new wedge myself.

WITB:

D: :taylormade-small: QI-10 core 9* Ventus Blue TR 6x

3w: :taylormade-small: Brnr mini driver 13.5 S

3h: :ping-small: G430 19° Tour 2/Stiff

7W: :callaway-small: 21° Rogue ST Max LinQ 7X

5i-7i:  :titleist-small: T200  Recoil 110 f4

8i-PW: :titleist-small: T150 Recoil 110 f4

50°, 54° & 58°:   :ping-small: Glide Forged Pro

P:   :odyssey-small: White Hot Versa DW

Ball:  :bridgestone-small: Tour BX mindset

Bag:  Ghost MGS Anyday 14 way

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And miles to go before I sleep,   

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Congrats everyone! Looking forward to seeing what you get and how they work out for you.

In my  :wilson_staff_small:  carry bag:
:mizuno-small: ST-X 10.5* Kai'li Blue R Flex
:mizuno-small: ST-Z 15* Kai/li Blue R Flex
:mizuno-small: ST-Z 4h Linq Blue R Flex
:cleveland-small: Launcher 5h
:cleveland-small: Launcher CBX 6i-PW
:cleveland-small: CBX 54* & 58*
:cleveland-small: Huntington Beach #10
:bridgestone-small: e12 Contact
CURRENTLY TESTING - Mizuno Long Game

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Congrats testers, looking forward to hearing how they perform for you. I was close to buying these myself, so this test might put them on the short list for the future.

:callaway-small: Epic Max LS 9° :Fuji: Ventus Blue 6X  (2021 Official Review) | :callaway-small:Epic Speed 18° Evenflow Riptide 70g 6.0
:titelist-small: 816 H1 21° Mitsubishi Motors Mitsubishi Chemical Holdings Chemical industry Mitsubishi  Rayon Mitsubishi Chemical Corporation, mitsubishi, blue, company png |  PNGEgg Diamana S+ Blue 70 S | 
image.png.08bbf5bb553da418019f0db13c6f4f9a.png SMS 4-5/SMS Pro 6-PW  image.png.267751aa721ee9cf3944fa2ff070b98c.png  Steelfiber i95 S (2023 Official Review)
:ping-small: Glide 4.0 50°.12°S/54°.14°W/58°.6°T PING Z-Z115 Wedge Flex | :cleveland-small:  SOFT 11S Super Stroke Mid-Slim 2.0
:ping-small: Hoofer Bag | :titelist-small: Pro V1 | Right Handed | Tracked by :ShotScope: V3

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Congrats to all the testers I love seeing some wedge testing cant wait to see some spin rates 

Ogio bag

Driver: Cobra LTDX

3 wood: PING 425 max

Irons 5-U : PING G710s

52 bent to 51 vokey 

54: vokey 

58 degree: Callaway jaws 

putter: Wilson harmonized v2 / testing   Odessy AI- ONE Double Wide    

 

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Congrats all.  Looking forward to thoughts.

OldCaddie

Srixon Driver ZX5 Mk II

Srixon ZX Fairway 3 Wood

Titleist 904 F Fairway Wood 5 Wood 19° Graphite Design YS-6+ Graphite Stiff Shaft

Titleist AP3 irons

Titleist 52 degree gap wedge

Cleveland RTX Zipcore 56 degree wedge

EVNROLL ER2 putter 33 inches

 

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Congrats everyone! Can’t wait to see the test results for these bad boys!!!

Cobra 50th Anniversary Member Special Challenge/Testing Bag (Link Here)

Driver: image.png.ca83f4e6716da9276cf90826f633daca.png Paradym with Ventus TR Blue 60 Stiff

Fairways:  image.png.c4f821ba6925e5e146c31600685bf103.png Aerojet Max 3W & 7W with Hzrdus Smoke Blue RDX 70 Stiff

Hybrid:  image.png.c21137d282a252fb544e47aceb520176.png King TEC 5H with KBS PGI 95 Stiff

Irons:  image.png.6621a18e06b1717c1f774c4a561fd7d8.png Forged TEC 5-GW with KBS Tour Lite Stiff

Wedges:  image.png.ca83f4e6716da9276cf90826f633daca.png Jaws Raw Plasma 54 & 58

Putter:  image.png.c8e6824d2c38fa85d20ca21913fbb2b1.pngPhantom X 5.5

Ball: 2023 Maxfli Tour

Other Reviews:

Callaway Paradym

Titleist White Box Testing (2023)

Scotty Cameron Phantom X 5.5

 

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Congrats testers. Looking forward to your reviews. 

Driver:    image.png.ec6bade2df98cb7d5aede4a0a4329936.png LTDx LS10.5* 

3-wood:     image.png.e14bdc3c2ba3ec551ce39db6a9b11f64.pngLTDx 15* 

3 hybrid:  image.png.deae3a77e572f8e9b997ebd84d5161eb.pngTsi3 20*

Irons:  image.png.2dc5bdb33664fa9386091c2cd26565eb.png P790 2019

Wedges:  image.png.a3b6eadd0d4a4bc5cae212cbb0ffc7c9.pngMG3 50* image.png.deae3a77e572f8e9b997ebd84d5161eb.pngSM8 54/10* and 58/14*

Putter:  image.png.d7e3e2224cccd34f343025e577e4854f.png Cadence TR Ketch

Backup:  image.png.c4263dd278ffabd32a9d6cda69b9a086.png Special Select Newport 2 w. BGT Tour 2 Polar Stability Shaft

Ball:  image.png.c7a2b0410b8d89600c1dc77e396be6d2.pngPro-V 1x 

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Great group of testers, congrats everyone! I absolutely LOVE the look of these wedges. Cannot wait to follow along!

 

Driver: :titleist-small: TSi3 9* Fujikura Ventus TR Blue 6X

Fairways: :cobra-small: Aerojet Max 3W & 7W MCA Kai'Li White 60 Stiff

Hybrid: :cobra-small: King TEC 3H MCA MMT 85g Stiff

Irons: :cobra-small: Aerojet 6-GW KBS $-taper Lite Stiff

Wedges: :cobra-small: Snakebite Black 52/56/60 Hi-Rev 2.0 Black Stiff

Putter: :scotty-cameron-1: Super Select Newport 2.0

Ball: :maxfli: Tour X :titleist-small: ProV1x

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Cobra 50th Anniversary Member Special Challenge (link here)

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Congratulations to the testers!  I look forward to your reviews.

Ping G430 Max 10k 9° w/UST MP5 L-Flex

Ping G425 3 wood 14.5° w/Ventus Velocore Blue-6R tipped 1"

Cleveland Halo Launcher 5 wood 18° with Project X Cypher R

Callaway Rogue 19° hybrid regular

PXG Gen 3 0311XF 5 - G steel regular

Corey Paul wedges bent to 53° and 58°

Scotty Cameron Phantom X 11.5 putter

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Congratulations testers. Looking forward to your feedback on which degree wedges you chose and why. Hope they instill confidence in your game and look forward to your reviews. 

:callaway-small: Jaws 58 wedge

:callaway-small:Paradym 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, P, AW, GW

:callaway-small: Paradym 3wood, 5wood, 7wood and Driver

:odyssey-small: White hot OG Seven putter

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Congratulations!  Welcome to the Sub 70 world!  Nice to see what you think.

:Sub70:Driver : Sub70 839D

:Sub70:3 wood Sub 70 pro

:Sub70: Hybrid Sub 70 849 18*

:Sub70:Hybrid Sub 70 839 21*

:Sub70:Irons Sub 70 639 combo

:Sub70:Wedges Sub 70 659 approach 50*, 286 full face groove 54*

:seemore-small:Putter FGP

:titleist-small:Ball  Titleist AVX

Grips: Best Grips std leather

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Congrats to all those chosen for testing the Sub70 wedges.  Will be interesting to see how these stand up to each tester’s regular gamers….Wedge on crew, wedge on! 

WITB? Ping G400 SFT w/Aldila Mamba shaft R flex; Ping G410 3w; Ping G400 3h(19), 4h(22), 5h(26); TaylorMade SLDR 5i (interchanges w/5h)-PW -stock graphite shafts Rflex; INDI FLX-S wedges (50, 54, 58) w/Recoil graphite shafts -Rflex and Odyssey AI-One 7T BD Milled (aka Millie), ball choice tends to be Pro-V1 or simliar 3pc urethane balls. 

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Congrats! Love the look of these, looking forward to following along!

Dr: :taylormade-small: Stealth 10.5°

Woods: :taylormade-small: M4 - 3W 15°, 5W 18°

4i-PW: MacGregor MT86 OS

50.08F/54.10S/60.08M: :vokey-small:

Pu: :ping-small: Ketsch Counter Balance

Ball: :Snell: MTB Prime

Pushcart: :Clicgear: 4.0

Rangefinder: Bushnell Tour V6 Shift

Other: :Arccos:

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