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59 minutes ago, Shapotomous said:

Unless there is a local rule giving you a free drop for some reason there is a penalty.

How is a grain silo NOT a man made object and therefore subject to 1 club legenth free relief?

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11 minutes ago, DiscipleofPenick said:

How is a grain silo NOT a man made object and therefore subject to 1 club legenth free relief?

My thoughts. 

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1 hour ago, DiscipleofPenick said:

How is a grain silo NOT a man made object and therefore subject to 1 club legenth free relief?

 

54 minutes ago, PankaGolf said:

My thoughts. 

Same here.  Immovable man made obstruction.  Not unlike the grandstands at PGA events?
 

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- 37/42 = 79 (+7)
- 6/15 FIR
- 8/18 GIR (1 birdie)
- 33 Putts (1 4-putt 😳, 12 2-putts, 5 1-putts)

Another excellent round swinging the club, just couldn't hold it together through the whole back. Was cruising until I got on the green on the par 5 No. 14 hole. From 30 feet I sent my putt about 10 feet past the hole, missed the come backer about 2 feet past. As I was about to take my third stroke, my phone rang and instead of backing off, I tried to quickly finish the hole. Four putt! 

My short game didn't do me many favors and cost me a few strokes again. I just don't have a lot of confidence inside of 75 yards or around the green at the moment. But, a few putts just missed. If I get the putts to drop some round I'm going to be really, really happy.

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Stunk it up big time in league 9 hole match play last night. I only won two holes for my partner (I'm a sub), but on the rest of the holes I was in the water twice and I think I hit every bunker on the course. Ended up with a horrible 52. We did win the match 3/2. 

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3 minutes ago, tony@CIC said:

Stunk it up big time in league 9 hole match play last night. I only won two holes for my partner (I'm a sub), but on the rest of the holes I was in the water twice and I think I hit every bunker on the course. Ended up with a horrible 52. We did win the match 3/2. 

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8 hours ago, Grand Stranded said:

So, here’s what’s been going on…

I took a lesson two days after the post above this, then found out my instructor passed away suddenly two nights later.

That was the straw that broke the camel’s back. He was more than a teacher to me, he’d become a friend. After our final lesson we sat in a cart and talked about life for almost an hour. Then in mere hours, he was gone. I’m fortunate to live in a beautiful community with 4 excellent golf courses, but after all I’d told you about the state of my game, and then his passing, I needed to put the clubs away for a while.

I finally got back out last Saturday. Shot 38 on the front, followed by 49 on the back. Played again Tuesday, 41 on the front(with a quad!!!) and again crashed on the back with a 51.

That tells me to things. I still have “game” somewhere inside me, but I’m either unable to stay focused or strong enough physically to finish a round in the heat wave we’ve been going through down here. Neither is good, and yet to be honest, I find myself not caring enough right now either way.

Ive always competed hard in sports. Played baseball through college, and hoops in high school. I took up golf very late, but loved the competition of playing in leagues and local events. For some reason that fire just isn’t there right now, and I feel like I’m going through the motions out there.

Those of you who work, and really look forward to your weekly game probably can’t relate to what I’m talking about, but I’m wondering if any of you retired guys who play 3 or mor times a week have ever experienced the same feeling?


 

Man I’m sorry to hear about your coach. Golf is more mental than anything. I have a competitive fire like you and there were times I wanted to quit. Then I remembered in golf, there are many other things to enjoy. Being outside. Teeing off to a beautiful sunrise. All the birds chirping and animals running around. The smell of fresh cut grass. The enjoyment of sharing those good moments, and funny ones with others. Hang in there. A lot of us have been there, maybe not as extreme as your situation turned. 

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21 minutes ago, NRJyzr said:

 

Same here.  Immovable man made obstruction.  Not unlike the grandstands at PGA events?
 

I thought they got relief from those because they are temporary man made.  I thought permanent structures were treated differently.... 

like the man made permanent wall at the road hole by the green, i never saw anyone get free relief when their backswing was impeded there, a few turned around and played a bank shot off the wall because they had no backswing.  

is that treated differently for some reason?  I'm not a rules scholar by any means so I could be wrong.

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26 minutes ago, Shapotomous said:

I thought they got relief from those because they are temporary man made.  I thought permanent structures were treated differently.... 

like the man made permanent wall at the road hole by the green, i never saw anyone get free relief when their backswing was impeded there, a few turned around and played a bank shot off the wall because they had no backswing.  

is that treated differently for some reason?  I'm not a rules scholar by any means so I could be wrong.

A cart path is a permanent obstruction too, and we are allowed free relief from that. I'm not the absolute rules expert, but I think the only man-made obstruction, permanent or temporary, that one does not provide free relief is a fence denoting out of bounds. Maybe the road hole wall fits into this category.

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3 hours ago, tchat07 said:

Alright before I get excited about my round yesterday I have a rules question. Hit a tee shot that took an unlucky bounce and settled nicely next to a grain silo. The silo impeded my ability to swing, is there a penalty for the drop?

I'll reference our local rules expert @DaveP043 but here is my take.    Need more information about the silo.    Based on rule 16 you get free relief from abnormal course conditions which includes things you find on the course and are not designed to interfer with your play and are not boundaries like fences or walls.   This would include things like yardage markers, sprinkler heads, electrical panels, and pump houses;  things that are on the course for a reason.     The silo isn't something you put on the course normally and would be like a house in a golf course community.  I am guessing that is it technically off course property (surprised there weren't any markings).   My guess is that the ruling would be unplayable lie and you can the follow the appropriate relief rules.  

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15 minutes ago, DiscipleofPenick said:

A cart path is a permanent obstruction too, and we are allowed free relief from that. I'm not the absolute rules expert, but I think the only man-made obstruction, permanent or temporary, that one does not provide free relief is a fence denoting out of bounds. Maybe the road hole wall fits into this category.

You're right about Boundary Objects, you don't get relief from them.  Its also acceptable for a Committee to define artificial objects on a course as Integral Objects, and you don't get relief from Integral Objects.  A couple of examples include stone walls crossing the course at North Berwick, and both Granny Clark's Wynd across 18 and the actual road on 17 at the Old Course.  I'm not sure if that wall on 17 is a Boundary Object or an Integral Object.

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I'll reference our local rules expert @DaveP043 but here is my take.    Need more information about the silo.    Based on rule 16 you get free relief from abnormal course conditions which includes things you find on the course and are not designed to interfer with your play and are not boundaries like fences or walls.   This would include things like yardage markers, sprinkler heads, electrical panels, and pump houses;  things that are on the course for a reason.     The silo isn't something you put on the course normally and would be like a house in a golf course community.  I am guessing that is it technically off course property (surprised there weren't any markings).   My guess is that the ruling would be unplayable lie and you can the follow the appropriate relief rules.  

I believe that in general the silo on the golf course would be an Immovable Obstruction, and you'd qualify for free relief if it impacts your stance or area of your intended swing.  You would NOT get relief if the silo was not on the golf course, i.e. if it's located out of bounds, or if your ball is in a penalty area (16.1a(2)).

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1 minute ago, DaveP043 said:

You're right about Boundary Objects, you don't get relief from them.  Its also acceptable for a Committee to define artificial objects on a course as Integral Objects, and you don't get relief from Integral Objects.  A couple of examples include stone walls crossing the course at North Berwick, and both Granny Clark's Wynd across 18 and the actual road on 17 at the Old Course.  I'm not sure if that wall on 17 is a Boundary Object or an Integral Object.

I believe that in general the silo on the golf course would be an Immovable Obstruction, and you'd qualify for free relief if it impacts your stance or area of your intended swing.  You would NOT get relief if the silo was not on the golf course, i.e. if it's located out of bounds, or if your ball is in a penalty area (16.1a(2)).

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Well, I think I cursed myself by saying that my game was rounding out nicely for the league championships coming up in a few weeks. The wheels literally fell off on all facets of the game this past week. The driver was hit or miss, The irons were okay but the short game totally abandoned me. All I can do is shake my head put the sticks down for a few days and regroup! I just wasn't feeling the swing this week and I knew the round was not going to go as well as I had hoped. There's always next week. Lol

 

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9 minutes ago, MDGolfHacker said:

Well, I think I cursed myself by saying that my game was rounding out nicely for the league championships coming up in a few weeks. The wheels literally fell off on all facets of the game this past week. The driver was hit or miss, The irons were okay but the short game totally abandoned me. All I can do is shake my head put the sticks down for a few days and regroup! I just wasn't feeling the swing this week and I knew the round was not going to go as well as I had hoped. There's always next week. Lol

 

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42 minutes ago, CarlH said:

I've found that, in golf, as soon as you say "I got it!", you don't.

 

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1 hour ago, DaveP043 said:

You're right about Boundary Objects, you don't get relief from them.  Its also acceptable for a Committee to define artificial objects on a course as Integral Objects, and you don't get relief from Integral Objects.  A couple of examples include stone walls crossing the course at North Berwick, and both Granny Clark's Wynd across 18 and the actual road on 17 at the Old Course.  I'm not sure if that wall on 17 is a Boundary Object or an Integral Object.

I believe that in general the silo on the golf course would be an Immovable Obstruction, and you'd qualify for free relief if it impacts your stance or area of your intended swing.  You would NOT get relief if the silo was not on the golf course, i.e. if it's located out of bounds, or if your ball is in a penalty area (16.1a(2)).

I live in Barefoot Resort in N. Myrtle Beach. Some of you might remember us hosting a season of The Big Break on Golf Channel a few years back.

One of the challenges was playing shots through the opening of a brick wall from the remains of an old Plantation home that surround portions of the green on one par 4 on the Love Course.

Plenty of second shots that come up just short end up either against or close to the 2 foot wall. The rule here is “integral part of the golf course”. Either play it or take an unplayable.
Same thing goes for another driveable par 4. It has an ivy covered six foot high wall surrounding 1/2 the green. Players can actually lose their drives or second shots in the ivy, or hit them up against or over the wall. Again, we play it as it lies or take an unplayable.

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I still cannot figure out my yardages.  I know what I hit on the range, but I am just blasting past them on the course.  Today I hit a 50* from 140 (to the middle) and airmailed the green.  That is usually a 120-130 club for me.  It's frustrating, but at least I'm making good contact with the ball these days.  The number of loose shots has dropped drastically.  Lots of nGIRs

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43/48 at Cottonwood Hills yesterday... yuck 😐.  Hard pull left on #1 tee into OB area and a 3 putt... triple bogey.  Then par, birdie, par, par.  From there out I played close to bogey golf, scrambling for several pars, and two more 3 putts.  I am using the new ER5v but suspect it was just one of those days with the flat stick. 

The two guys I was playing with chuckled at a handful of my short approach situations.  Both were course members and commented that pin locations, on a number of holes, were in places they had not seen in some time - as in tough!  But adding to that were my approach misses that left me with RU kidding me shots 😲.  One within a foot of a smallish pot hole bunker with the pin on the top of a spine and a (not so) generous total of about 8 feet between the back of the bunker, the apron, and roll to pin... cool.

Another having to clear an uphill knoll, blind shot, with a severe downhill on the backside running to another pin jammed at the rear of the green.  I actually made a great flop shot landing it on the apron (they said) but, even with that vertical landing, it ran out 15+ feet down the slope.  Add to those a GIR on a par 3 that had a finger peninsula between me and the hole.  Knowing I had to make up for the loss in speed crossing the 2 foot wide swath of grass... yea, damn near 4 putted that one. And finally, a lost ball in a silver spruce on a well struck 3 wood.

Not sure who I pissed off, but hope my dues are paid 🙂.

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Didn’t keep score played with a mate who’s learning. 
 

never played the course before and meh won’t be back. 

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