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I am currently using a big Bertha alpha double black diamond 816 head set to 11* with a fujikura evolution​ 2 ts 65 gram shaft that I am having a real hard time getting off the ground. It is so bad that I can't control it with the gravity core in the head! I am looking to go with another shaft. I am considering the grafalloy pro launch Blue to get the ball airborne. I have a negative AOA and ball speed on average around the 160mph mark. I'm​also considering the grafalloy platinum which is more in between the blue and red. Opinions?

 

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DRIVER:                  :mizuno-small:  ST190, 10.5*, Fujikura  Atmos Black Tour Spec 65g, Stiff flex, Golf Pride CP2 Wrap, midsize

HYBRIDS:    :adams-small:    Pro  2 hybrid 16*, Aldila Tour Red 75g, Stiff, Superstroke TX1 Midsize grip 

                        :mizuno-small:           JPX 850 hybrid 19*, UST Proforce V2 85g, Stiff, Superstroke TX1 Midsize grip                                  

IRONS:            :cobra-small:    King Forged Tour 4i-pw, KBS FLT, shafts, stiff,  Superstroke TX1 Midsize grips

WEDGES:        rsz_scor-golf-logo.png        50, 55, 60 degree wedges with Genius 12 stiff flex,   Superstroke TX1 Midsize grips

PUTTER:       :odyssey-small:    O-Works Marksman 33.5", Superstroke 1.0 Flatso grip w/ 50g counter core

BALL:          :bridgestone-small: Tour B X                                                     
                  
BAG:          :Ogio:              Cirrus Golf Bag 
 
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I currently am using Grafalloy Blue in both my driver and 3-wood. Great shaft. Grafalloy Blue is definitely a higher launching shaft (low kickpoint). Pretty low torque and inexpensive but definitely not a low quality shaft. I hit it better than I have any other shaft in a while and I have used a lot of premium shafts. However because of the high launch, I had to put my driver setting all on low which is fine. 

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I would look at some new Accra Dymatchs on ebay. You can get them pretty cheap and they are amazing shafts!

In my bag:

Driver: :cobra-small: Speedzone 10.5* lofted down to 9.0* Fujikura Atmos Black TS 6X

Wood: :cobra-small: Speedzone Tour Fujikura Atmos Black TS 7X

Hybrids: :cobra-small: King Utility 19.5* Diamana Tensei White Pro 90TX

Irons: :cobra-small: MIM Tour Irons 4-PW Project X 6.5

Wedges: :cobra-small: MIM Black 50*, 54*, 58* Tour Issue S400

Putter: :seemore-small: Nashville Z1C 34"

 Ball: :bridgestone-small: Tour B X 

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a negative AOA is in itself a hard thing to compensate against.

A shaft might help but only very slightly.

The swing speed you are generating is pretty good. Try this first.

Crank down the loft say 2 deg and tee the ball down then give is a real try for about 20 balls to see if that helps before

hunting down a shaft that isn't tested for your swing

Driver - 44.5" 5.0 flex 10.5 deg ACCRA tour Z GP MCC4+ 1 deg closed

Irons - 5-pw, GW stnd length 5.0 flex same grip 1 deg flat. Type low medium offset cavity back, no diggers

Wedges - 56 and 60 tour grind wedge spinner and mcc4+ grip 2 flat 10 and 8 in bounce

Putter - 33" 3 deg loft 70 lie, lrg slight line slightly toe hang

Ball - truvis

Carried in a Sun Mountain C-130 USA bag - BE PROUD.

HC - LH but 85 is a good number, playing in Ohio.

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I haven't played golf for over a week now and have just been working on some bad habits. One of them is that I tend to keep my shoulders level through the driver swing which I think is not helping my aoa.

 

Tonight I go to my brothers and he has a potato field behind his home. His wife's uncle had the old an old persimmon driver sitting in his garage so I asked if I could hit it. Well no joke I was hitting it mid high and dead straight. I am going to keep waiting for my new gear and hopefully this is a start of something good

 

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HYBRIDS:    :adams-small:    Pro  2 hybrid 16*, Aldila Tour Red 75g, Stiff, Superstroke TX1 Midsize grip 

                        :mizuno-small:           JPX 850 hybrid 19*, UST Proforce V2 85g, Stiff, Superstroke TX1 Midsize grip                                  

IRONS:            :cobra-small:    King Forged Tour 4i-pw, KBS FLT, shafts, stiff,  Superstroke TX1 Midsize grips

WEDGES:        rsz_scor-golf-logo.png        50, 55, 60 degree wedges with Genius 12 stiff flex,   Superstroke TX1 Midsize grips

PUTTER:       :odyssey-small:    O-Works Marksman 33.5", Superstroke 1.0 Flatso grip w/ 50g counter core

BALL:          :bridgestone-small: Tour B X                                                     
                  
BAG:          :Ogio:              Cirrus Golf Bag 
 
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I am currently using a big Bertha alpha double black diamond 816 head set to 11* with a fujikura evolution​ 2 ts 65 gram shaft that I am having a real hard time getting off the ground. It is so bad that I can't control it with the gravity core in the head! I am looking to go with another shaft. I am considering the grafalloy pro launch Blue to get the ball airborne. I have a negative AOA and ball speed on average around the 160mph mark. I'm​also considering the grafalloy platinum which is more in between the blue and red. Opinions?

 

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Do you have any other numbers?

Launch angle, actual attack angle?

Also were you going left or right?

Also where did you get that ball speed number?

 

It will help narrow it down.

 

Side note: Is it the speeder 661 or callaway speeder 665- either way I know the tour spec models feels stiffer overall, maybe you were trying to swing harder to feel it load

 

 

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Driver:      :callaway-small: Rogue 9*, UST chrome 7F5T 

Fairway:     :taylormade-small: M5 3 wood, UST chrome 7F5T

Irons:        :titelist-small: TMB 3i &  :mizuno-small:MP-18 MB 4-PW

Wedges:     :titelist-small: Voke SM7 LTD Jet Black 

Putter:       :bettinardi-small: Queen Bee #9

Ball:        :srixon-small: Z star XV

 

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Do you have any other numbers?

Launch angle, actual attack angle?

Also were you going left or right?

Also where did you get that ball speed number?

 

It will help narrow it down.

 

Side note: Is it the speeder 661 or callaway speeder 665- either way I know the tour spec models feels stiffer overall, maybe you were trying to swing harder to feel it load

 

 

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The aoa I got a few years ago from a demo day. It was somewhere around -4 if I recall. It was at the taylormade tent. The ball speed comes from my friends hd golf simulator. It plays from 155 to a high of 172 hence I think 160 is a reasonable assumption. Launch angle rarely over 10 degrees. I used to have a nice little fade but it became very inconsistent and turned into a low snap hook. The shaft was the motore speeder 565. I believe from the reviews I read the tini black 50 will launch higher. This is what I want

 

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DRIVER:                  :mizuno-small:  ST190, 10.5*, Fujikura  Atmos Black Tour Spec 65g, Stiff flex, Golf Pride CP2 Wrap, midsize

HYBRIDS:    :adams-small:    Pro  2 hybrid 16*, Aldila Tour Red 75g, Stiff, Superstroke TX1 Midsize grip 

                        :mizuno-small:           JPX 850 hybrid 19*, UST Proforce V2 85g, Stiff, Superstroke TX1 Midsize grip                                  

IRONS:            :cobra-small:    King Forged Tour 4i-pw, KBS FLT, shafts, stiff,  Superstroke TX1 Midsize grips

WEDGES:        rsz_scor-golf-logo.png        50, 55, 60 degree wedges with Genius 12 stiff flex,   Superstroke TX1 Midsize grips

PUTTER:       :odyssey-small:    O-Works Marksman 33.5", Superstroke 1.0 Flatso grip w/ 50g counter core

BALL:          :bridgestone-small: Tour B X                                                     
                  
BAG:          :Ogio:              Cirrus Golf Bag 
 
Shoes:              Skechers                  Hexgo Control  Shoes

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Got any competent fitters around you?  It's the easy answer but also the smartest and potentially the cheapest if you have to keep buying and trying different shafts.

 

I think we could all recommend higher launching shafts that might or might not work for you.  But it basically amounts to printing out the Titleist shaft chart and throwing darts at the higher launch portion of the chart.

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Driver: :callaway-logo-1: Epic SZ w/ VA Composites Raijin 65 04

3w: :taylormade-small:'16 M2 hl w/ Diamana D+ 82

5w: :cleveland-small: Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Yellow

Hybrid: :cleveland-small: 22 deg. Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Black

Irons: :ping-small: 5i-UW G700 w/ X100 soft stepped once

Wedges: :cleveland-small: 54 & 58 CBX w/ Nippon Modus 3 125

Putter: :odyssey-small: Red 7s

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Got any competent fitters around you? It's the easy answer but also the smartest and potentially the cheapest if you have to keep buying and trying different shafts.

 

I think we could all recommend higher launching shafts that might or might not work for you. But it basically amounts to printing out the Titleist shaft chart and throwing darts at the higher launch portion of the chart.

Literally nobody within a 4 hour drive

 

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DRIVER:                  :mizuno-small:  ST190, 10.5*, Fujikura  Atmos Black Tour Spec 65g, Stiff flex, Golf Pride CP2 Wrap, midsize

HYBRIDS:    :adams-small:    Pro  2 hybrid 16*, Aldila Tour Red 75g, Stiff, Superstroke TX1 Midsize grip 

                        :mizuno-small:           JPX 850 hybrid 19*, UST Proforce V2 85g, Stiff, Superstroke TX1 Midsize grip                                  

IRONS:            :cobra-small:    King Forged Tour 4i-pw, KBS FLT, shafts, stiff,  Superstroke TX1 Midsize grips

WEDGES:        rsz_scor-golf-logo.png        50, 55, 60 degree wedges with Genius 12 stiff flex,   Superstroke TX1 Midsize grips

PUTTER:       :odyssey-small:    O-Works Marksman 33.5", Superstroke 1.0 Flatso grip w/ 50g counter core

BALL:          :bridgestone-small: Tour B X                                                     
                  
BAG:          :Ogio:              Cirrus Golf Bag 
 
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You really need to look at dynamic loft rather than shafts. 

For instance, if you have a steep AoA such as the -4 you suggest, then given the 11 loft of your driver you are looking at 7 degrees or even less at impact - not ideal if your shaft is tip stiff and fitted to a low spin head.

So instead of looking at the shaft as the route one culprit, you need to evaluate the way to get a flatter AoA. This can be a simple set-up change with no change to your swing whatsoever. This can be checked by just about any competent pro (forget about fitting for the meantime) who are located at just about every golf course you care to name. Where you play golf perhaps.

Once you have your swing AoA issue isolated and diagnosed, only then can you even start to look at fitting possibilities that will enhance driver performance. 

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I know from video recording my swing that the reverse k which I think is causing that negative aoa. I will know more once the driver gets here

 

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DRIVER:                  :mizuno-small:  ST190, 10.5*, Fujikura  Atmos Black Tour Spec 65g, Stiff flex, Golf Pride CP2 Wrap, midsize

HYBRIDS:    :adams-small:    Pro  2 hybrid 16*, Aldila Tour Red 75g, Stiff, Superstroke TX1 Midsize grip 

                        :mizuno-small:           JPX 850 hybrid 19*, UST Proforce V2 85g, Stiff, Superstroke TX1 Midsize grip                                  

IRONS:            :cobra-small:    King Forged Tour 4i-pw, KBS FLT, shafts, stiff,  Superstroke TX1 Midsize grips

WEDGES:        rsz_scor-golf-logo.png        50, 55, 60 degree wedges with Genius 12 stiff flex,   Superstroke TX1 Midsize grips

PUTTER:       :odyssey-small:    O-Works Marksman 33.5", Superstroke 1.0 Flatso grip w/ 50g counter core

BALL:          :bridgestone-small: Tour B X                                                     
                  
BAG:          :Ogio:              Cirrus Golf Bag 
 
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I've gone back to the callaway big bertha alpha 816 but this time with the kuro kage black tini 50 shaft and it's utter perfection for me. I was able to lower my loft from 11 to 10 and might even be able to get down to 9. Feels great.

 

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DRIVER:                  :mizuno-small:  ST190, 10.5*, Fujikura  Atmos Black Tour Spec 65g, Stiff flex, Golf Pride CP2 Wrap, midsize

HYBRIDS:    :adams-small:    Pro  2 hybrid 16*, Aldila Tour Red 75g, Stiff, Superstroke TX1 Midsize grip 

                        :mizuno-small:           JPX 850 hybrid 19*, UST Proforce V2 85g, Stiff, Superstroke TX1 Midsize grip                                  

IRONS:            :cobra-small:    King Forged Tour 4i-pw, KBS FLT, shafts, stiff,  Superstroke TX1 Midsize grips

WEDGES:        rsz_scor-golf-logo.png        50, 55, 60 degree wedges with Genius 12 stiff flex,   Superstroke TX1 Midsize grips

PUTTER:       :odyssey-small:    O-Works Marksman 33.5", Superstroke 1.0 Flatso grip w/ 50g counter core

BALL:          :bridgestone-small: Tour B X                                                     
                  
BAG:          :Ogio:              Cirrus Golf Bag 
 
Shoes:              Skechers                  Hexgo Control  Shoes

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