WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SLOW PLAY? | NO PUTTS GIVEN 141

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Duration: 00:53:46

In this episode, we're introducing a new format that digs into golfs latest headlines, new gear, and play something we call 'speed golf.'

Chris and Tony chat about slow play, Rory's absence, golf ball rollback, and whether or not Tiger Woods is done.

There's a lot on deck so kick back, watch, listen, or do both! This is No Putts Given.

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00:00 NPG 141
02:03 Who is responsible for slow play?
06:11 Rory Ditching the RBCHeritage
09:23 What happened to all the golf ball rollback talk?
12:07 Mailbag - Is Tiger Woods done?
14:16 Why can't there be a single shaft adapter?
16:18 What's with all these limited black releases?
19:39 TaylorMade Mini Driver
22:12 Callaway Big Bertha and REVA
27:48 Speed Golf!
27:58 PXG iron covers; Pass or Fail?
28:32 9 Callaway Paradym drivers on the USGA List - ist that normal?
30:55 Will colored balls every outsell white?
32:03 Classic vs. Modern golf shoes
33:39 We out (for a minute)
33:59 The Afterparty - TaylorMade Mini Driver Deep Dive

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[Gulf Shores Pete]

Everyone: What gets me is cart partners who watch each other hit, we drop our playing partner off at their ball, then proceed to our own. Or vise versa depending on position. During covid we noticed when each of us was in our own cart we played faster- not waisting time watching other player hit. Reason I think you need single rider carts, or walk. 

[Preeway]

I think carts are a big culprit for slow play. I hate taking multiple clubs and hoping one of them is the right one while my cart partner goes to his. I played last week walking with three other guys in carts and I was always ready to hit at the same time or before they were. 

[BillybobT]

I think it would be beneficial for courses to provide pull carts free. This would promote walking and definitely speed up play for those that take advantage of it.

[Robert Everhart]

My wife and I have played 9 holes in under 2 hours several times walking and we’re both high Handicappers. I think cart golf is part of the problem especially if there 2 riders and watching each other hit before going to where their ball is.

[PatrickLN]

Carts are part of the reason, because it is hard to play ready golf. I play public courses out here in the Southwest, the slate is filled from morning to dusk, and there is a high percentage of high handicap players.  People who don’t generally know where they’re going to hit the ball are more often going to play slower.  I know that going in, and I don’t hold that against anyone. 

[Preeway]

As a lower handicapper (6.3) I’m more inclined to wait to hit when sharing a cart because I want my yardages to the pin/bunkers/front/back/etc which most of the time means I have to wait. Granted, I’m not trying to set a course record or win a tournament but, if my cart partner and I are on opposite sides of the fairway I have to wait for the cart gps or my rangefinder to know what I need to hit. Carts are not there to speed up play. 

[SteveGH7]

The typical answer is new golfers or high handicaps, and that is part of the issue, but I know plenty of high handicaps (including myself) that can play under standard pace of play as long as they are not wasting time.  I think they big 3 culprits are:

1. Sharing Carts - If carts are needed, courses should stop making people share as this slows down pace of play.  Or they should encourage push carts.

2. Not following ready play.

3. Slow putters.  This ties in to #2.  Sooo many times we find ourselves waiting for our approach shots because the group ahead is taking 5 minutes on the green.

[jkimbrell0]

36 minutes ago, Preeway said:

As a lower handicapper (6.3) I’m more inclined to wait to hit when sharing a cart because I want my yardages to the pin/bunkers/front/back/etc which most of the time means I have to wait. Granted, I’m not trying to set a course record or win a tournament but, if my cart partner and I are on opposite sides of the fairway I have to wait for the cart gps or my rangefinder to know what I need to hit. Carts are not there to speed up play. 

This is a very good point and it for sure slows down me and my main playing partners as we want our yardages. Now that DST is over and we are trying to get in post work rounds before sun goes down we try to shoot a quick number and then drop the first person off and let second drive to their ball. The issue is though that every group on the course has to speed up, otherwise you are still waiting on someone else

[JimmyP]

The pros.  Armatures will copy the pros.  Enforce the time on shots.  Start giving out penalty strokes.   If a pro can not see their line for a putt in under a minute they don't deserve to be out there.   

[DiscipleofPenick]

I'm really glad to hear the first couple responses to this topic that carts are actually responsible for slow play and not walkers. I'm mostly a walker and I'm tired of hearing that we are the slow ones. I can keep moving while my partner hits and not disturb the rest of the group. So here are my top 3 reasons for slow play

1. Carts

2. Obliviousness/Stubborness - either golfers weren't taught etiquette, or just totally don't know about it (noticed this a lot more with golfers post-2020). Other times golfers are going to be stubborn and just not let others through. And this applies to all groups. I've had stubborn men and women, and young and old in front of me.

3. **Hot Take** Golf Courses themselves. I know of a handful of courses, and I'm sure they exist in your areas too, that are still on 6-minute tee times and also don't turn away walk ups. Most courses have gone back to 10 minutes in Cleveland, some are still at 8, but there's these ones at 6 and that's just not enough time, espeically as these have also become party courses and not for real golf. Having tee times too close together and then sending every walk up to #1 tee just leads to back ups and 6 hour rounds.

This can be alleviated by just enforcing the standards with a good front desk team and good starters (moreso than rangers). If the front desk teams turn away walk ups, or at least say, to the person who just shows up at 11AM on a Saturday, "Sorry the earliest we can get you out is 1:30" instead of just taking their money and sending them to #1. Starters just need to stick to the tee sheet. It doesn't matter if the 9AM is sitting on the tee at 8:30 and ready - they are going at 9. And vice versa if the 8:30 doesn't show up till 8:40 sorry you missed and now we don't have an opening till 11 etc.

[Preeway]

10 minutes ago, JimmyP said:

The pros.  Armatures will copy the pros.  Enforce the time on shots.  Start giving out penalty strokes.   If a pro can not see their line for a putt in under a minute they don't deserve to be out there.   

This is a good point. I think more time is wasted on/around the green then from tee to green. Too many people taking way too long to putt that 30 footer when all they really need to do is lag it to within a few feet. 

[golfinnut]

I agree whole heartedly about the slow play issue.  Don't give me the "I'm playing for so much money" crap!  I'm working in my job, making money ... does that give me full reign to do my job at my own pace?  No.  I have deadlines, etc.  

So ... give them a deadline & enforce it.  "You are on the clock, just FYI.  If this continues on the next hole, you will be penalized."  Regardless if it's Tiger or Rory or Cantlay .... sorry, 2 stroke penalty enforced!  If they see it actually being enforced every week & it starts hitting their bank account, maybe they might start playing faster.   

[golfinnut]

Tiger should only play the Majors & then just wait for the Senior Tour, so he can play with a cart.  Unless he gets an exception?  "The Tiger Effect" 

[RickyBobby_PR]

1 hour ago, Preeway said:

I think carts are a big culprit for slow play. I hate taking multiple clubs and hoping one of them is the right one while my cart partner goes to his. I played last week walking with three other guys in carts and I was always ready to hit at the same time or before they were. 

Why not take 4 or 5 clubs?

Or get better and understanding and estimating distance and lie before you grab clubs and walk to your ball.

I can grab 3-4 clubs and not go oops I grabbed the wrong set of clubs 

1 hour ago, Preeway said:

As a lower handicapper (6.3) I’m more inclined to wait to hit when sharing a cart because I want my yardages to the pin/bunkers/front/back/etc which most of the time means I have to wait. Granted, I’m not trying to set a course record or win a tournament but, if my cart partner and I are on opposite sides of the fairway I have to wait for the cart gps or my rangefinder to know what I need to hit. Carts are not there to speed up play. 

So grab your gps and clubs when you get out or get dropped off. Or look at the cart gps, rough estimate your distance based on where the cart is and grab a handful of clubs.

This is a preparation issue and not a cart issue. I’ve played cart path only golf on a hard course in under 4 hours with 3 friends because everyone had what they needed when they got to their ball based on estimating distance of their ball in relation to the cart and cart gps

Those who know how to use a cart in a foursome can play pretty fast. 

[Preeway]

5 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Why not take 4 or 5 clubs?

Or get better and understanding and estimating distance and lie before you grab clubs and walk to your ball.

I can grab 3-4 clubs and not go oops I grabbed the wrong set of clubs 

So grab your gps and clubs when you get out or get dropped off. Or look at the cart gps, rough estimate your distance based on where the cart is and grab a handful of clubs.

This is a preparation issue and not a cart issue. I’ve played cart path only golf on a hard course in under 4 hours with 3 friends because everyone had what they needed when they got to their ball based on estimating distance of their ball in relation to the cart and cart gps

Those who know how to use a cart in a foursome can play pretty fast. 

Not saying it can’t be done. But it’s a pain in the ass. And then in the case of an errant shot I now have to wait for my clubs to come back again. I play faster walking then I ever do in a cart. Most rounds in a cart are 4.5 hours or more. A bad day walking is 4.5 hours. 

[golfinnut]

Iron covers!!  They are a fail in all aspects!  

[THEZIPR23]

Just now, Preeway said:

Not saying it can’t be done. But it’s a pain in the ass. And then in the case of an errant shot I now have to wait for my clubs to come back again. I play faster walking then I ever do in a cart. Most rounds in a cart are 4.5 hours or more. A bad day walking is 4.5 hours. 

I play every Saturday with a group we all ride (although I do walk occasionally) if we play in 4 hours it's only because someone slowed us down. We average 3:30-3:45. It has nothing to do with carts, it's the people using them. 

[golfinnut]

Colored balls?  No way.  Not in my lifetime.  I will always play a white ball.  Call me a traditionalist but I can't play Blue balls or any other colors.  I can't see them as it is 

[golfinnut]

Wingtips!  Love'em!  Always have loved the classic FJ styles.  

 

 

[Preeway]

4 minutes ago, THEZIPR23 said:

I play every Saturday with a group we all ride (although I do walk occasionally) if we play in 4 hours it's only because someone slowed us down. We average 3:30-3:45. It has nothing to do with carts, it's the people using them. 

I’ll give you that. Playing in 4 hours in a cart can be done. Problem is it isn’t being done by the other 90%. And most people I play with don’t really get how to play fast in carts. I’m not really anti-cart but it is one of the biggest culprits of slower play.  

[RickyBobby_PR]

1 hour ago, Preeway said:

Not saying it can’t be done. But it’s a pain in the ass. And then in the case of an errant shot I now have to wait for my clubs to come back again. I play faster walking then I ever do in a cart. Most rounds in a cart are 4.5 hours or more. A bad day walking is 4.5 hours. 

Well you don’t wait for the cart to come back you walk to your ball and your cart partner meets you there and you grab your clubs, maybe a couple extra clubs in case you don’t hit your target or another errant shot, then hit your shot then walk to meet your cart partner at their ball or at the green where you should already have your putter so you don’t need the cart again

Again it’s not the carts problem its the preparation of the golfer. Anticipate what you need if you hit a good shot or bad shot.

[Preeway]

13 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Well you don’t wait for the cart to come back you walk to your ball and your cart partner meets you there and you grab your clubs, maybe a couple extra clubs in case you don’t hit your target or another errant shot, then hit your shot then walk to meet your cart partner at their ball or at the green where you should already have your putter so you don’t need the cart again

Again it’s not the carts problem its the preparation of the golfer. Anticipate what you need if you hit a good shot or bad shot.

To each their own. My point is simply for me, it’s faster to walk and I play better when I walk. Riding carts doesn’t have to be slower for the other 90% either but the vast majority of those using carts are doing so because they are lazy or don’t care about pace of play. So their game is lazy hence the slow play. 

[RickyBobby_PR]

17 minutes ago, Preeway said:

To each their own. My point is simply for me, it’s faster to walk and I play better when I walk. Riding carts doesn’t have to be slower for the other 90% either but the vast majority of those using carts are doing so because they are lazy or don’t care about pace of play. So their game is lazy hence the slow play. 

The vast majority don’t understand being prepared to play ready golf and to grab all the clubs or other things they may need like an extra ball or their range finder. The blame should be placed on the carts but rather the I’ll prepared golfer.

Understanding how to use the carts properly is the issue, plain and simple. It’s the golfer not the cart

[Preeway]

27 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

The vast majority don’t understand being prepared to play ready golf and to grab all the clubs or other things they may need like an extra ball or their range finder. The blame should be placed on the carts but rather the I’ll prepared golfer.

Understanding how to use the carts properly is the issue, plain and simple. It’s the golfer not the cart

I agree to an extent. You and I could use a cart and play the same speed, if not faster, than walking. And yes, it is the golfer who uses the cart in the worst way possible that slows down the game. These same golfers probably take 5 hours to play walking and now take even longer with a cart because they have no idea how to play quickly. 

[TheCount]

16 hours ago, Preeway said:

Not saying it can’t be done. But it’s a pain in the ass. And then in the case of an errant shot I now have to wait for my clubs to come back again. I play faster walking then I ever do in a cart. Most rounds in a cart are 4.5 hours or more. A bad day walking is 4.5 hours. 

My observations are as follows:

-I have a GPS on me at all times.. a Golf Buddy watch that gives highly accurate yardage readings to the pins (front/middle/back). Wasn't ridiculously expensive either.

-I have a little carry bag that I keep my three sand wedges (50/56/60) and my putter in. It has a large handle that I can hook into a compartment in my bag, and pull it to carry along when I'm greenside. Everything's in there that I need to take my next shot. No wasted time analyzing a lie and then trudging back to the cart.

-There are lots of ignorant human beings. Many of them play golf. I see a lot of bad young hackers clogging up the action by ALWAYS waiting for the green to clear before hitting their second shot at par 5s, or tee shots at short par 4s. You know, because maybe they hit a miraculous 280 yard drive once. At a driving range. With a brisk tail wind. It's a machismo game for them.

And it's not just younger golfers. Played behind a threesome of old codgers, two of them dressed like farmers (jeans). Slow as molasses, walked like turtles, meditated over every shot, etc. Had to yell "FORE!" after they finished a par 3 and two of them sat in the cart just off the fringe, doing God knows what. They sat there for over a minute.. like they had no idea there was a twosome behind them.

 

Edited April 20, 2023 by TheCount

[silentdrama00]

the slow person in front of you. 

[Nigel P]

Why is nobody blaming the Golf Psychologists?  By telling everyone they need a routine before every golf shot, these only get longer for average players as they watch the likes of Cantlay struggle to make up his mind of how to hit his ball! It’s the same as tennis and Nadal. How long?

[RickyBobby_PR]

39 minutes ago, Nigel P said:

Why is nobody blaming the Golf Psychologists?  By telling everyone they need a routine before every golf shot, these only get longer for average players as they watch the likes of Cantlay struggle to make up his mind of how to hit his ball! It’s the same as tennis and Nadal. How long?

Just like it’s not the golf cart it’s not the psychologist or the golf coach who advocates for a routine. It’s the golfer not understanding how to have a routine and be fast but effective with it.

 

[BKervin]

8 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

The vast majority don’t understand being prepared to play ready golf and to grab all the clubs or other things they may need like an extra ball or their range finder. The blame should be placed on the carts but rather the I’ll prepared golfer.

Understanding how to use the carts properly is the issue, plain and simple. It’s the golfer not the cart

I definitely play faster with a cart than walking.  I agree it's the people.  We followed a foursome that had a terrible player who had a routine with each swing along with having to swing 6 practice swings for each hit only to hit the ball less than 100 yards and all over in and out of the fairway.  His buddies didn't rush him at all.  It was over 5 hours playtime!!!