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On 4/20/2019 at 6:00 PM, FrogginBullfish said:

Ian Fraser of TXG demonstrated something interesting in a recent video when he was testing irons.

Forgiveness can be relative to a given player. We often think of forgiveness solely from an MOI standpoint but there's also the way a player interacts the club with the ground. Some players suit a thinner sole, others a wider sole. Depends on the attack angle of the player. There's that turf interaction buzzphrase again, but it does mean something.

What it comes down to is getting properly fitted for whatever iron you end up playing. And a good fitter can make a world of difference. There's a lot more to what iron someone should be playing than just their handicap.

I certainly prefer the blade profile with less offset, I miss left... a lot. But for me, having something with some forgiveness in MOI is also important because I don't play often. So I'm looking more at 0311T or P760 style irons over a pure blade.

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So much truth to this.  I learned first hand during my fitting at True Spec that irons with medium to larger soles are no good for me.  

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5 minutes ago, jlukes said:

So much truth to this.  I learned first hand during my fitting at True Spec that irons with medium to larger soles are no good for me.  

How would you define your attack angle?  Are you shallow, steep, or somewhere in between?

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2 minutes ago, Smellis745 said:

How would you define your attack angle?  Are you shallow, steep, or somewhere in between?

Very shallow.  Damn near neutral with an iron.

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1 hour ago, chisag said:

... I would add while playing shorter tee's is and should be desirable to most, better players like using all the clubs in their bag every round. 
 

This to me is what makes a golf course great. The club I was a member at prior is the only course in my area that tests the entire bag. It is generally considered the best course in the area, the most solid financially and has a waiting list to join while other clubs are hurting for members. 

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Chisag- I’m pw to 6 iron in MB, and 5,4,3 iron in mp25. They are really easy to hit, so don’t be fooled because it’s a 3 iron. Probably the same as a modern 4 iron.

no worries, I enjoy hearing your thoughts, and never take these discussions in a negative way. Swapped shafts between the irons would be a trip to feel the difference, I think I was in love with the softness of the recoils, but in retrospect, I don’t think they were a good shaft for me in regular flex in such a light weight. So that might be why the 790’s/recoils weren’t the best combo for me. Now I want to hit that head with some steel shafts, or maybe Steelfiber i110’s.

I played poorly today, but the irons still played well. My driver acted as tho I was a total stranger. So they (irons) have already earned my trust and respect. Even though I hit some good shots with the p790’s, I never really felt confident with them, again, probably all due to a bad shaft choice.

im going to play a short course with some friends tomorrow, and will be able to tee off with an iron often, so that will be fun. Anyways- good thoughts and discussion guys.

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I’m going to be leaving blades camp sooner than later. I love my Hogan’s but I just do not have the game I had when I could play 4-5 times a week.

I still believe strongly what I said earlier in the thread about my lost strokes; they are from loss of focus or bad putting. A majority of my swings through a round are still a lack of concentration. I can fake it with blades but I’d be a heck of a lot better off with a more forgiving 7 or 8 iron in my hands from 170.


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Previously to getting fit last winter I had tried a set of MP5s with S300s in them and liked the feel tho the distance was pretty much identical to the 2014 TM MCs I was using. 

Thst got me thinking about playing blades this summer (which I hadn't done for a number of years).

When getting fit, I tried blades from Titleist, Callaway, TM and Mizuno.  All felt pretty good but the Mizuno MP18s were a bit better than anything else and certainly superior to the 2014TM MCs I had been playing.  

I have to admit that after about 25 rounds, I've never played irons that feel as good as these.   When I hit them perfectly it's as if the ball is as soft as a sponge as it comes off the face.   I get feedback when I don't hit them perfectly -- not harsh, but I know I didn't make contact as well as I could have --- but I don't lose much distance. 

I'm certainly happy that I'm playing blades again.  

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3 hours ago, Cdntac said:

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I have to admit that after about 25 rounds, I've never played irons that feel as good as these.   When I hit them perfectly it's as if the ball is as soft as a sponge as it comes off the face.   I get feedback when I don't hit them perfectly -- not harsh, but I know I didn't make contact as well as I could have --- but I don't lose much distance. 

I'm certainly happy that I'm playing blades again.  

I always try to think of a good description of a pure hit, but sometimes it’s as if I didn’t even hit a ball it’s so soft. I’m hitting proV’s. It really is something else. I came close to getting a new set of the 18’s a few months ago, they are the real deal.

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On 4/4/2019 at 3:12 PM, revkev said:

I come full circle and think that it's best in a thread like this to not take pot shots at any "type" of iron.  The general consensus among many in golf is that most players, even touring pros, need a little help in their irons.  Recent surveys among fitters suggest that nearly 2/3rds of the people whom they fit need more help in their irons.  But that fails to take into account that sometimes a player's eye is so in tune to a player's type iron that he or she can't get past the look of a cavity back or forged GI club - that's understandable.  It's also understandable that a guy would go to his pro and or fitter and between the two of them determine that a certain iron is the best choice.  It's also understandable that a guy or gal may just want to play a blade because that's what he or she would like to play.  It is also possible that as Shankster wrote that a mid-capper is scratch with irons but so bad in the rest of the game that he can't get out of his own way.

I've learned all of these things from being a part of this community.  I'm not going to fault anyone's choice or make fun of how an iron looks so long as there is a reason for gaming it.  Use what you want for what ever reason that you'd like but please don't pick on someone else's choice.  A reason to suggest something different might be if they ask, "Hey I'm looking to improve my game.  I currently have Mizuno blades and can't seem to hit the green from 160."  That might be a time to jump in with a game improvement suggestion. 🙂

This is such a good post. I realize due to the subject matter most of you discussing this are all really good players, but here's an older mid capper's point of view. I'm going to turn 65 in 9 days, and the last couple of years have seen a complete change in my iron/bag set up.

 I've gone from 3-PW S300 steel to a 3, then a4 hybrid. From MB's to Apex's,  and then to a graphite Steelhead XR setup with a 5 hybrid, so it's been quite a ride, lol.

I just bought a set of Rogue X irons, (which I laughed at when they were released) but after watching a 9 cap win the net version of our Club Championship, and another player come in 3rd place Gross with them in the bag, I changed my thinking. I decided I wanted the most forgiving, wide soled iron I felt comfortable with.

 I love everything about my new setup. The 3 new hybrids in my bag are great, the mid irons are a club longer, and the short irons are only slightly longer then my previous set, which has actually helped in spacing out my gapping. These clubs go long, high and straight, which is what I want. My hcp is dropping thanks to my improved iron play and wedge set up. 

I couldn't be happier. To each their own.... play what works for you. Getting older, playing soft courses at or below sea level, I'll take all the help I can get.

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A couple of things stand out in reading through this thread.

 

1. Play what makes you happy - who really cares.

 

2. Please don’t buy into the myth that blades will make you a better ball striker - it’s not the case.

 

3. Please don’t fault someone for playing a GI or player’s distance iron -

 

4. Most players would be better off with as much help in an iron as their eye can take.

 

 

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On 3/13/2019 at 10:36 AM, fixyurdivot said:

I don't particularly care for the oversized, big offset look and would prefer to find a brand/model that has a bit more traditional/compact look. 

You might consider the Hogan Apex. It's billed as a GI iron but has the more traditional Hogan players look.

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11 hours ago, revkev said:

A couple of things stand out in reading through this thread.

 

1. Play what makes you happy - who really cares.

 

2. Please don’t buy into the myth that blades will make you a better ball striker - it’s not the case.

 

3. Please don’t fault someone for playing a GI or player’s distance iron -

 

4. Most players would be better off with as much help in an iron as their eye can take.

 

 

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Some wisdom provided here 👍.  To be honest, I found myself wanting a few of the "blades" I tested to work - at one point even trying to convince myself they would eventually.  Image over practically is a very real thing.  

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4 hours ago, fixyurdivot said:

Some wisdom provided here 👍.  To be honest, I found myself wanting a few of the "blades" I tested to work - at one point even trying to convince myself they would eventually.  Image over practically is a very real thing.  

Yes and there is nothing wrong with it so long as you don't try and impose it on others.  Just be honest - I'm playing these because I like the way they look/feel/sound whatever -

For us its a game and while it may be my goal to shoot the lowest scores possible that may not be what others want.  It took me a while but I have finally learned that.

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While a perfectly struck ball on a blade is almost indescribable in feel and sound, a well struck ball with any club is a very satisfying experience just as well. But, no matter how much help any gi or sgi iron gives you, you still need to put a proper swing on it to have a decent shot.

i don’t know any exact specs, but does the “well hit” sweet spot on a sgi club basically expand from perhaps, a nickel, to a quarter?

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... More like a round dime to an elliptical silver dollar. But equal to or even more important is the weight placement. Most SGI irons have much more weight in the sole to help elevate shots because many that need SGI's don't spin the ball enough to launch it high enough or keep the ball in the air with a higher cg players iron. So a higher initial launch produces more carry. Then the heel/toe perimeter weighting means the head will twist less and shots will not be as far off line. And of course the longer blade length also means you can hit the ball more toward the toe and get at least a decent shot. These are all designed to help inconsistent contact or poor swing technique. 

... And the feel of dense metal hit perfectly in the center is sweeter than a thin faced SGI iron. Think of it more like a wooden baseball bat hit dead center and an aluminum bat that is hit dead center. They both feel good no doubt, but perfect wooden bat contact has an extraordinarily good feel. 

 

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The final score is just part of the total experience. I have played persimmon woods exclusively for the past year and a mix of irons from the 1950’s to the present and my enjoyment of the game has never been stronger. Sure I’m giving up yards using older equipment, but is a few yards gained more important than the feel of a perfectly struck persimmon driver or forged blade 5-iron?


I like the car analogy. I can get in my wife’s 2016 Honda Civic, automatic, turbo charged, with Apple Car Play and every other modern feature and it is faster, quicker, and handles better than 95% of cars built 30 years ago. But I miss the car it replaced, a 1993 Saab 900. The Saab wasn’t as fast nor did it handle as well, but the 16v Saab engine mated to a 5-speed manual gave me a completely connected feel. The leather interior was a higher quality. The shape was more interesting. Strangers liked to come up and talk to me about the Saab.


Now what was more important, getting where you need to go faster, or in the case of golf less strokes? Or is it the feeling and enjoyment of the entire journey?


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36 minutes ago, deejaid said:

The final score is just part of the total experience. I have played persimmon woods exclusively for the past year and a mix of irons from the 1950’s to the present and my enjoyment of the game has never been stronger. Sure I’m giving up yards using older equipment, but is a few yards gained more important than the feel of a perfectly struck persimmon driver or forged blade 5-iron?

 

... Well since you asked, yes. Yes it is. Especially when you add more accuracy too. And your car analogy shows us we are talking about 2 completely different things. I think it comes down to 3 basic categories for those that play and love this game and of course all are equally valid.

1. Those that think golf is a sport and want to play that sport at the highest level they can achieve. Every round is a challenge and an invitation to shoot your lowest score. If score were not an unimportant part of the game, they wouldn't have scorecards at every golf course. I have yet to play a course that does not offer one. 

2. Those that enjoy everything this wonderful game has to offer with the exception of score. Playing for the sheer joy of being outdoors and using equipment that enhances that enjoyment. One person may have the latest and greatest looking to hit the longest drives and they don't even keep score, while others like yourself have vintage equipment and enjoy all that equipment has to offer.

3. Those that want both a combination of equipment that gives them the most positive feedback and shoot their lowest score. I think most golf forum members are in this category. Some may love the feel of a perfectly struck iron shot but are willing to split the difference between a forged MB and a multi material SGI playing one of the many players irons that best suit their game. 

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On 6/13/2019 at 10:18 AM, jlukes said:

So much truth to this.  I learned first hand during my fitting at True Spec that irons with medium to larger soles are no good for me.  

Iirc this was a subject in @Golfspy_CG2 fitting at txg and the type of sole that worked for him

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3 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Iirc this was a subject in @Golfspy_CG2 fitting at txg and the type of sole that worked for him

indeed it was, and I've seen it play out in on course situations as well. 

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Ive learned to adopt the adage that you should play the most forgiving irons that you can stand to look down at.  I love blade and wish that I had the swing to get the most of out of them but I want to play my best and that means SGI shovels for me.

Every time I think that I want blades, I pull my vintage set of Hogan Apexs out of the closet.  All it takes is about 10 bad shots at the range to remind me that I dont have the swing for blades.

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