cnosil Posted July 29, 2020 Author Share Posted July 29, 2020 44 minutes ago, tchat07 said: Good luck! Really looking forward to following your progess! Sent from my SM-G950U using MyGolfSpy mobile app Thanks! Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: mFGP2 Backups: TM-180, Milled Collection RSX 2, Bellum Winmore 787, Directed Force 2.1 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share Posted July 31, 2020 Had an online session last night to review some of the stats from recent rounds. Things that stand out as areas for improvement: short game and lag (30'+) putting. Distance proximity from the hole on approach shots isn't bad. Obviously, more greens would be better, but to get my scoring average down to 75, I need to work on the two previously mentioned areas. Got a couple of drills and thoughts to work on with short game shots. Hoping the ExPutt helps me learn to control speed a little bit better. We talked about ball contact and flight and confirmed that what I am trying to do to fix is on the right track. Have some metrics to start looking at so I can do some self evaluation to make sure I am targeting the right areas and meeting expected efficiency from various distances and lies. While most of of think we understand how to play this game, there is so much to learn to consistently play this game well. Hitting good tee and approach shots, having a functional short game, and decent putting are important, understanding the environment (wind, temperature, moisture, etc) are key to success week in and week out. Moving in the right direction and building a plan to keep moving forward. 6 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: mFGP2 Backups: TM-180, Milled Collection RSX 2, Bellum Winmore 787, Directed Force 2.1 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post cnosil Posted August 4, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 4, 2020 Had some time on the GCQuad yesterday since it was aMost wanted testing day. Face contact location is definitely improving. I am still hitting the occasional toe shot, but becoming more aware of the feels and resulting ball flight and can identify when the feel isn’t right. It is interesting how people respond differently to the same directions from instructors. When I was talking to my instructor one of the “feels” weTalked about having was skipping stones. I remember a thread about a year or so so about a forum member being told to swing like he was skipping stones and how he couldn’t translate that into his swing. For me it fits perfectly into my swing sequence and a great feeling to try and have. But back when the thread was going on, the thought made no sense to me but now with the path I am going down it works for me. 10 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: mFGP2 Backups: TM-180, Milled Collection RSX 2, Bellum Winmore 787, Directed Force 2.1 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted August 9, 2020 Author Share Posted August 9, 2020 ball striking seems to be improving. Hit a couple of fat shots, but overall drills are helping to improve contact. As I am starting to put together metrics from my round it seems that wedge play (125 and in) is my big weakness. Proximity to the hole and greens hit needs to significantly improve. Lag putting seems to be getting better with the use of the exPutt. Overall I feel like my game is going in the right direction. Probably need to follow some better course management practices; I have taken some big numbers (doubles and triples) as a result of questionable shot selections. 3 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: mFGP2 Backups: TM-180, Milled Collection RSX 2, Bellum Winmore 787, Directed Force 2.1 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 On 8/4/2020 at 7:39 AM, cnosil said: Had some time on the GCQuad yesterday since it was a Most wanted testing day. Face contact location is definitely improving. I am still hitting the occasional toe shot, but becoming more aware of the feels and resulting ball flight and can identify when the feel isn’t right. It is interesting how people respond differently to the same directions from instructors. When I was talking to my instructor one of the “feels” we Talked about having was skipping stones. I remember a thread about a year or so so about a forum member being told to swing like he was skipping stones and how he couldn’t translate that into his swing. For me it fits perfectly into my swing sequence and a great feeling to try and have. But back when the thread was going on, the thought made no sense to me but now with the path I am going down it works for me. There are so many different feels that instructors have to try to achieve many of the same things. I've churned through a lot of different feels, some have helped, some didn't work for me. 1 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted August 10, 2020 Author Share Posted August 10, 2020 41 minutes ago, dlow206 said: There are so many different feels that instructors have to try to achieve many of the same things. I've churned through a lot of different feels, some have helped, some didn't work for me. When working with an instructor, they are not trying to achieve feels, that is uniquely yours. The thing about feels in the golf swing is that when you are doing something correctly, the feel is all yours and the feel (good or bad) indicates you are doing something correctly. An instructor cannot tell you what to feel. 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: mFGP2 Backups: TM-180, Milled Collection RSX 2, Bellum Winmore 787, Directed Force 2.1 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreLooper Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 1 hour ago, cnosil said: When working with an instructor, they are not trying to achieve feels, that is uniquely yours. The thing about feels in the golf swing is that when you are doing something correctly, the feel is all yours and the feel (good or bad) indicates you are doing something correctly. An instructor cannot tell you what to feel. As my instructor reminds me, feel is not real. He then reminds me that if wrong feels right, then right is going to feel wrong. 2 Quote What's in the bag: Driver - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Wood (16*) - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Hybrid (19*) - RBZ 4i - PW - D7 Forged - Recoil 760 ( S ) GW - LW - F8 - N.S. Pro Modus3 Tour105 ( S ) Putter - Craz-e Bag - 2.5 (Black) Ball - TP5X Pix Instagram - @hardcorelooper Twitter - @meovino Facebook - mike.eovino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted August 10, 2020 Author Share Posted August 10, 2020 As my instructor reminds me, feel is not real. He then reminds me that if wrong feels right, then right is going to feel wrong.Mine has also told me is that his job is to make me feel uncomfortable. 3 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: mFGP2 Backups: TM-180, Milled Collection RSX 2, Bellum Winmore 787, Directed Force 2.1 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony@CIC Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 29 minutes ago, cnosil said: Mine has also told me is that his job is to make me feel uncomfortable. I certainly felt that way when my instructor changed my grip - took me 1/2 season for it to 'feel right' 3 Quote Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, cnosil said: Mine has also told me is that his job is to make me feel uncomfortable. For most of us, what we've been doing all along feels "right", even the faults somehow feel right. To make a change means doing something different, and different will almost always feel wrong. As you say, its the instructors job to help you change your movements, to feel wrong in a productive way. It takes repetitions to make that revised movement feel right. Edited August 10, 2020 by DaveP043 4 Quote Irons Titleist AP2 714, KBS Tour S, 3 flat Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X 52, 56, and 60 wedges B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriverBreaker Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 (edited) On 7/2/2020 at 9:18 PM, cnosil said: League night: scored horribly (8 over). From the tees we play for league, most of the holes are driver/wedge and the Par 3's are 9 iron or less. Really struggled with fat shots when hitting distance wedges. Hit some 7 irons to check where I was entering the ground; used a little foot spray to help. In the image below I worked from top to bottom and you can see the first few were definitely fat. Getting better with center face contact, but low point control is a struggle. I to have struggled with fat shots with wedges. For me, it is often one of two things: 1) too much forward shaft lean through impact (remove the bounce of the wedge and if you are fractionally, you will hit fat) 2) not extending my body through impact (you know from my SuperSpeed that I am working on jumping aka extending through the shot rather than staying down too long) Edited August 10, 2020 by ChasingScratch 2 Quote Instagram: @tony_rosselli_ Training Pre training max driver speed: 124mph Current: 130mph WITB: Driver: G400 LST 8.5* (BROKEN!!) with HZRDUS SMOKE 6.5 70g Woods: 2007 Burner TP 3 wood and 5 wood Irons: Z765 4-PW (1 degree flat) with KBS $-130 shafts Wedges: SM7 50/12/F, 54/10/S and 58/12/D Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 Ball: ProV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriverBreaker Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 On 7/5/2020 at 3:32 PM, cnosil said: My regular group wasn't able to play today so I took that as an opportunity to hit the range. Need some better foot powder since ground/grass impact rubbed everything off making it hard to determine exact impact. Some of the key things that seem to significantly impact my results: Backswing length. Too long and fats/off center seem to be more in play Alignment. I have a tendency to setup closed which seems to bring more pushes/pull hooks into play. Aim identification. Occasionally i had the tendency to not lock a target into my mind before swinging. When I thought about where I wanted the ball to go, results were much better. This is an issue about lack of focus that I need to make sure i pay attention too when actually playing Just slowing down and having better tempo. As I think back to my testing at MGS, this seems to be an overall problem. During testing, my warmup shots appear to be much better overall (contact, face impact location, etc). Basically 1 and 4 point to the fact I am trying to hit the ball too hard. Need to focus on a relaxed even tempo swing. Experimented with distances wedges and it appears that my results are much better using my 51* gap wedge instead of my 54* sand wedge. Going to switch my primary short game club. Going to try and get a couple of most wanted testing sessions in before my next on course round. Is the bounce the same on your 51* and 54*? Might be more bounce on the 51* which helps with fat shots. Looks like you play high-bounce wedges (I do as well), so maybe not a bounce difference issue. Quote Instagram: @tony_rosselli_ Training Pre training max driver speed: 124mph Current: 130mph WITB: Driver: G400 LST 8.5* (BROKEN!!) with HZRDUS SMOKE 6.5 70g Woods: 2007 Burner TP 3 wood and 5 wood Irons: Z765 4-PW (1 degree flat) with KBS $-130 shafts Wedges: SM7 50/12/F, 54/10/S and 58/12/D Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 Ball: ProV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriverBreaker Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Also, @edteergolf is the best! 2 Quote Instagram: @tony_rosselli_ Training Pre training max driver speed: 124mph Current: 130mph WITB: Driver: G400 LST 8.5* (BROKEN!!) with HZRDUS SMOKE 6.5 70g Woods: 2007 Burner TP 3 wood and 5 wood Irons: Z765 4-PW (1 degree flat) with KBS $-130 shafts Wedges: SM7 50/12/F, 54/10/S and 58/12/D Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 Ball: ProV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted August 10, 2020 Author Share Posted August 10, 2020 Is the bounce the same on your 51* and 54*? Might be more bounce on the 51* which helps with fat shots. Looks like you play high-bounce wedges (I do as well), so maybe not a bounce difference issue.51 is 8 and 54 is 14. Fat hasn’t been much of a problem the past couple of weeks;grip changes and limited backswing have really helped. Hitting the ball really well and happy with full swing. From 100 and in (distance wedge)my hole proximity is terrible. Yesterday my proximities were: 88/40’, 97/25’, 82/35’, 85/35’, 50/30y, and 97/30’. I feel like I am better off outside of 115 yards. Mostly a lack of practicing those shots; need to spend time on the gcquad and build out my distance grids. 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: mFGP2 Backups: TM-180, Milled Collection RSX 2, Bellum Winmore 787, Directed Force 2.1 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriverBreaker Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 1 hour ago, cnosil said: 51 is 8 and 54 is 14. Fat hasn’t been much of a problem the past couple of weeks;grip changes and limited backswing have really helped. Hitting the ball really well and happy with full swing. From 100 and in (distance wedge)my hole proximity is terrible. Yesterday my proximities were: 88/40’, 97/25’, 82/35’, 85/35’, 50/30y, and 97/30’. I feel like I am better off outside of 115 yards. Mostly a lack of practicing those shots; need to spend time on the gcquad and build out my distance grids. Yeah....... need to tighten that proximity up for sure to take advantage of the distance off the tee. Is it distance or directional that is the problem? Sounds like distance from what you are saying. 1 Quote Instagram: @tony_rosselli_ Training Pre training max driver speed: 124mph Current: 130mph WITB: Driver: G400 LST 8.5* (BROKEN!!) with HZRDUS SMOKE 6.5 70g Woods: 2007 Burner TP 3 wood and 5 wood Irons: Z765 4-PW (1 degree flat) with KBS $-130 shafts Wedges: SM7 50/12/F, 54/10/S and 58/12/D Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 Ball: ProV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBandit Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 1 hour ago, cnosil said: 51 is 8 and 54 is 14. Fat hasn’t been much of a problem the past couple of weeks;grip changes and limited backswing have really helped. Hitting the ball really well and happy with full swing. From 100 and in (distance wedge)my hole proximity is terrible. Yesterday my proximities were: 88/40’, 97/25’, 82/35’, 85/35’, 50/30y, and 97/30’. I feel like I am better off outside of 115 yards. Mostly a lack of practicing those shots; need to spend time on the gcquad and build out my distance grids. For me anytime I hit Fat shots, has been always been my turn, I stop turning and leaning more or just shifting my body instead of shoulder turn. This causes the wedge to hit fat or almost hitting shanks at times. Whenever I do that I reset , center shots and once I have the turn, then I begin practicing moving forwards, center and back stands to get different wedge shots. My wedges bounce are 56 (10) and 60 (9). 1 Quote Driver: TaylorMade Stealth HD - 9.0 with NIPPO N.S. Regio Formula MB+ 65 Stiff 3 -Wood: Sub70 949x 3 Wood 15 with Hrdz RDX Black Stiff 5-Wood: SUB70 949x 5 Wood with Hrdz RDX Black stiff 4-Hybrid: TourEdge Exotic C721 with KBS 80 Stiff Irons: Mizuno Pro 225 - 6-PW , w/Nippon Modus 105 stiff Wedges: Taylormade MG3 - 50 ,56, 60 Putter: Odyssey Stroke Lab 7s, 34in Balls: TaylorMade Tour Response, TaylorMade TPx & Snell MTB-X- GPS: LX5 Watch TESTED: SUB70 949X 5 Wood TESTED: NIPPO N.S. Regio Formula MB+ 65 Stiff. TESTED: SkyCaddie LX5 GPS Watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted August 10, 2020 Author Share Posted August 10, 2020 3 hours ago, ChasingScratch said: Yeah....... need to tighten that proximity up for sure to take advantage of the distance off the tee. Is it distance or directional that is the problem? Sounds like distance from what you are saying. Distance primarily and mostly short. Not taking a big enough swing; but "feels" right when I make the swing. 3 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: mFGP2 Backups: TM-180, Milled Collection RSX 2, Bellum Winmore 787, Directed Force 2.1 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted August 21, 2020 Author Share Posted August 21, 2020 Had a zoom meeting with my instructor last night. The system we are following establishes proximity averages for distance from the hole. He agreed that based on the stats I have been tracking proximity to the hole with the wedges is a big problem area. We went through some strategies about how establish consistency with distance wedges. First option is to avoid those distances and play to my strengths. I chose the option to establish a way to control distance better. He provided some recommendations on thing to work on but mostly the goal is consistent contact which means controlling low point, shaft angle, and smash factor. For distance wedges we are seeking a smash factor of about 1.0 or some consistent number in that proximity. It could be 1.1 as long as the swing produces consistent results. Will be working on determining a method that enables me to accomplish that goal. Basically do I adjust the length of swing or or speed of swing. Time to get out to the range and figure this out. 5 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: mFGP2 Backups: TM-180, Milled Collection RSX 2, Bellum Winmore 787, Directed Force 2.1 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cksurfdude Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 On 8/21/2020 at 8:45 AM, cnosil said: I chose the option to establish a way to control distance better. That makes sense to me, too - as much as we'd like to try, we're not always going to be at our comfortable layup / approach distance(s)... Seems to me that being able to develop wedge distance control is a critical part of the game. Good luck with your training! 2 Quote WITB of an "aspiring" play-ah ... ..PXG Gen5 0811XF (PX EvenFlow Riptide CB 50/5.0 or Grafalloy Prolaunch Blue 45/A) ..Callaway Bertha Mini 1.5 (UST ProForce V2-HL 5/F3) ..Callaway Rogue ST Max OS 4H (PX Cypher Black 50/5.0) ..Callaway Big Bertha 5H (Recoil ZT9 460/F3) ..PXG 0211 6i-GW (Mitsubishi MMT 60/A) ..Cleveland CBX2 54 and CBX 60 (Rotex graphite) ..EvnRoll ER5 or MLA XDream (..Edel EAS 4.0 on the bench) ..all in a Datrek bag on an MGI Zip Navigator electric cart. Forum Member tester for the ExPutt Putting Simulator (2020) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted August 22, 2020 Author Share Posted August 22, 2020 11 minutes ago, cksurfdude said: That makes sense to me, too - as much as we'd like to try, we're not always going to be at our comfortable layup / approach distance(s)... Seems to me that being able to develop wedge distance control is a critical part of the game. Good luck with your training! We talked about this for a bit on our call. You can be extremely successful not trying to get as close to the green as possible or putting a wedge in your hand. He told me about one of his students that was highly skilled player except for the wedge game. In order for him to be productive for his HS and college teams, he scaled back distance off the tee and laid back beyond his wedge distance and continued to improve the wedges. He could have continued to hit to short wedges during competition and not been productive and also not been on his team. I am going to let me scores suffer in the near term to work on those shots since I am not playing competitive golf. This is where stats come into play; right now putting a wedge in my hand increases my scoring due to poor proximity to the hole. I am better if I stay outside 115 yards. It isn't about laying up to a specific distance, but not going inside a distance. 4 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: mFGP2 Backups: TM-180, Milled Collection RSX 2, Bellum Winmore 787, Directed Force 2.1 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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