MyGolfSpy 2023 Golf Ball Test!!!

[TonsofSteel]

Snell MTB-X and MTB BLACK.

[Londo]

I think Tony posted them awhile back too but this "high tech company" selling their golf balls for $250/dz. They are made of "Amorphous Metal Alloy" that are "more accurate and fly further than any other golf ball" 

https://attomaxgolf.com/products/attomax-matt?variant=43183470248165&currency=USD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gclid=CjwKCAiAxvGfBhB-EiwAMPakqqzemgpZcAP5KPBRuKLL-NO0SGWtJT7CqMbtH93ceB8OZKoiZKP5TBoCAScQAvD_BwE

[charles M Mecca]

https://cleargolf.com/pages/golf     This is the company I am asking the test for.

[tony@CIC]

15 hours ago, Londo said:

I think Tony posted them awhile back too but this "high tech company" selling their golf balls for $250/dz. They are made of "Amorphous Metal Alloy" that are "more accurate and fly further than any other golf ball" 

https://attomaxgolf.com/products/attomax-matt?variant=43183470248165&currency=USD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gclid=CjwKCAiAxvGfBhB-EiwAMPakqqzemgpZcAP5KPBRuKLL-NO0SGWtJT7CqMbtH93ceB8OZKoiZKP5TBoCAScQAvD_BwE

Yup they'll go further into the woods or pond than any other golf ball 

[cnosil]

17 minutes ago, charles M Mecca said:

https://cleargolf.com/pages/golf     This is the company I am asking the test for.

Not trying to be negative, but you have posted multiple times in this thread that they should test the clear ball.   If HQ reads this thread as part of determining what balls will be tested on the swing robot, your request will potentially be considered and it doesn’t need to be requested by you repeatedly.  

[charles M Mecca]

Thank you.

[RuggerSimon]

I'd love to see balls like Piper, Legato, OnCore, and maybe one or two of the Asian Market golf balls tested. I've played Vice, Piper, Cut, and the Kirkland 2.0 ball. Still searching.

[BigGuy]

Hi,

It would be interesting to see a test comparing the best non urethane balls, even if we know they do not have the best performance in term of spin. Qualities as consistency and length could interest a lot of golfers out there.

Keep on your good work.

[KJC]

I would like to see some testing about durability.  I play the Maxfli Tour and have the impression that the cover is not as durable as ProV1. That must figure into the value calculation.

[GolfSpy SAM]

1 minute ago, KJC said:

I would like to see some testing about durability.  I play the Maxfli Tour and have the impression that the cover is not as durable as ProV1. That must figure into the value calculation.

This is a great question - I also just started playing the Maxfli Tour (X), and apparently hitting it directly into a tree is bad for the cover - who knew?  Kidding aside, this is something I'd be curious about, too.  

[Quigleyd]

Always interested in the "best ball" test. There have been some surprises in the past that were interesting. 

[NDChad]

The new balls from Snell. 

[GolfSpy SAM]

6 minutes ago, NDChad said:

The new balls from Snell. 

I'm fairly confident these will for sure be included - such a great DTC company, hard to imagine they're not at the forefront of a lot of people's minds (mine included) when it comes to the new test

[richk9holes]

Callaway Supersoft Max. I did some testing with a dozen, but I'd be interested in seeing a variety of perspectives on the slightly larger diameter and subtle differences that show.

[Javs]

I wonder if LA Golf would let you test their new ball. However, at 69 a dozen they better be the best balls on the planet!!!!

Edited April 11, 2023 by Javs

[Quigleyd]

On 4/11/2023 at 2:19 PM, Javs said:

I wonder if LA Golf would let you test their new ball. However, at 69 a dozen they better be the best balls on the planet!!!!

It is a junk ball anyway.. I bought a dzn at the initial launch. Not impressed. It may work for you if you are an extremely high launch high spin player. It is a fairly soft feeling overall but was just meh.. 

[Javs]

7 hours ago, Quigleyd said:

It is a junk ball anyway.. I bought a dzn at the initial launch. Not impressed. It may work for you if you are an extremely high launch high spin player. It is a fairly soft feeling overall but was just meh.. 

Thanks for the feedback! Not going to bother with it now.

[Hook DeLoft]

I like the idea of adding lower priced surlyn/ionamer covered balls.

[storm319]

Continue the approach from the past tests by testing the most commonly available multilayer urethane offerings from the major OEMs and big DTCs. The only new additions that may be interesting would be the PXG offering and the Uther Icon which is available at DSG/GG.

Don’t bother with any ionomer balls (with the exception of the Pinnacle range ball) or refurbs (we know they are terrible).

[Josh Ross]

I'm interested in the new Snell and also the new version of Maxfli. I used the original MTB and then switched to the MTB-X before testing and keeping the Maxfli balls. This is one of my favorite tests MGS does.

[Subdiver1]

On 2/21/2023 at 5:44 AM, charles M Mecca said:

I am sorry for the misspelling. Here is the site https://www.procheckgolf.com/ I have been using this for a number of years, don't play a ball without knowing what # it is. My in season # is a 6 , out of season 5, Very cold 4. This is what works for me. My wife plays an 8 all the time the problem is getting a four peace ball like Pro V1x L- which are 8 all 12 in a box it didn't happen. When we got the procheck years back we came up with a way to check which ball would give her the most distance. We did it on the course with all the # balls from 1 to 8. At that time we were getting the 8 ball from Japan, but they stopped making it. MGS test telling us about the ball for swing speed brought us to Pro V1x L-

I hope this will be of some help.

I looked at the link and I think I understand that you are looking for the Ball Lab to validate the compression that you are seeing on this device?  If you look at the previous Ball Lab stats they show average compression of each manufacturer and model tested AND consistency of those measurements.  While Ball Lab does test compression at varying temperatures, it isn't hard to deduce, if you want to follow the recommendations on the site, that an 80 compression ball is going to fall into the suggestion that you play a softer ball on cold days, and depending on your swing speed instead of playing a mid-90s compression ball you might want to move up to a 100+ ball on those really hot days.   

The problem I see here is that, depending on where you live, you may be trying to play 3 or 4 balls during the course of the year, which messes with he idea of removing as many variables as possible (good QCs reduce variables, Titleist and Maxfli showed great consistency across the board).  I ABSOLUTELY play a softer ball in the colder weather and a firmer ball in the warmer seasons.  Your tool may help you pull out inconsistent balls, but MGS has done a pretty good job of showing us what balls are consistent across each of their properties.  No lab testing can tell you which ball perform best for you and your swing, one that spins great for player X who has the same swing speed as you may not spin, and therefore travel, the same for you because he/she may be a sweeper, where you hit down on the ball (or vice versa) so those physics will change how each ball performs for each golfer.  Yes, I know that testing is mostly done with a Driver at + angle of approach in that test, but most golfers hit driver maybe 14 times in a round.  Iron consistency means a lot as well.

I do believe compression still matters, to some degree.  And thought I don't have empirical evidence to dispute MGS testing, and I don't have any reason to doubt the results, I do however believe we have to go back to the physics of our swings for our results.  Falling in the >105 MPH swing speed category one might think the ProV1 (2021) at 97 compression would be longer for me than the Prov1 or L-, but the Ball Test showed the L- at 93 and even Tour Speed at 79 were longer than the harder Prov1 for fast swing speed players.  There is so much to flight, spin etc. in ball design these days that the only way you can really tell what works for you, and your swing, is to play a few balls and figure out what is consistent and what plays longest, spins best, rolls smoothest for your game.  I actually LOVE the feel of the AVX (89 compression) and have found that it plays, for me, as long or longer than the ProV1, the Maxfli Tour CG and Tour CG-X are great feeling balls that I think play as long as either Titleist, for me (note that in MGS Testing the Tour CG was the LONGEST ball for mid-swing speed players).  

[fixyurdivot]

The annual ball test is always fun to follow/read.  Admittedly, I'm probably more ball make/model agnostic than most as my own tests just haven't clearly shown significant differences for my game.  I hope Tony and crew include a good selection of the mid tier priced options.

[GregGarner]

1 hour ago, Subdiver1 said:

Falling in the >105 MPH swing speed category one might think the ProV1 (2021) at 97 compression would be longer for me than the Prov1 or L-, but the Ball Test showed the L- at 93 and even Tour Speed at 79 were longer than the harder Prov1 for fast swing speed players. 

I actually LOVE the feel of the AVX (89 compression) and have found that it plays, for me, as long or longer than the ProV1, the Maxfli Tour CG and Tour CG-X are great feeling balls that I think play as long as either Titleist, for me (note that in MGS Testing the Tour CG was the LONGEST ball for mid-swing speed players).  

wait wait wait... where did these compression numbers come from? Left Dash softer than ProV1? 

[cnosil]

38 minutes ago, GregGarner said:

wait wait wait... where did these compression numbers come from? Left Dash softer than ProV1? 

I looked at the MGS compression chart and it shows

• left dash - 102
• v1x - 96
• v1 - 86
• AVX - 77

might vary a couple of points based on which year you are looking at.

[highdraw_osu]

Do we have any timing on when the results are coming out?  Always so fun to dive into this data set.  

[cnosil]

32 minutes ago, highdraw_osu said:

Do we have any timing on when the results are coming out?  Always so fun to dive into this data set.  

Haven’t even heard it discussed when I have been a HQ and don’t see a date on any of their calendars.  They probably have a date to perform the testing but just not published yet. 

[Nm243008]

Titleist Left DOT

[Subdiver1]

9 hours ago, cnosil said:

I looked at the MGS compression chart and it shows

• left dash - 102
• v1x - 96
• v1 - 86
• AVX - 77

might vary a couple of points based on which year you are looking at.

On 4/18/2023 at 10:32 AM, GregGarner said:

wait wait wait... where did these compression numbers come from? Left Dash softer than ProV1? 

DOH!!!   It has been a LOOOOOONG week.  I knew something didn't look right, I swear the L- was above 100 and the X was close, but I got stuck on the thought train and missed that I was looking at scores, not compression, which I swear I know looked weird (https://mygolfspy.com/labs/ball-lab-golf-ball-quality-comparison-tool/).  Anyway, good catch and thank you.  

It makes sense that the L- would be longer, but the Tour Speed which is under 80 compression?  The results of the 2021 test (https://mygolfspy.com/buyers-guides/golf-balls/best-golf-balls-2021/) resulted in:

High swing speed, 6 of the 10 longest balls being under 90 compression,

Mid-swing speed, 7 of the 10 longest being under 90 compression,

Low swing speed, 6 of the 10 longest being under 90 compression, BUT the 3 of the 10 were right around 100 compression. 

Good catch on the corrections, thanks.  The bottom line is, even with high swing speed players the 2nd an 3rd longest balls were less than 80 compression and only 2-3 yards shorter.  Kind of throws the compression argument out the window.  If I recall correctly from a prior article low spin may be a contributing factor? 

We know from the testing stats the MSG guys used 115 MPH swing speed for hight speed driver (faster than I can swing, at the moment). The guys at TXG guys tested the Pro V1X vs. Left - and he had 12 yards (315/327) more carry and 11 yards (334/345) more overall distance with the Left - at 175.3/177.5 MPH ball speeds.  MGS testing only showed 5.5 yards difference between the two for high swing speed players.  Of course that was a person, not a machine, so...

Anyway, circling back around to the thread topic;

1. Why do I need a device like this?  From the MGS testing I have a pretty good idea what brands/models have QC that reasonably assure me that a given ball is in the 80 compression range for cold weather and high 90-100 range for warmer weather without having to test every ball of every dozen I buy.  

2. Each of us need to figure out which ball plays best for our swing/game.  We cannot just of on compression numbers AND just because the robot hit the Left - farther than another ball, maybe the softer ball will play longer for one of us because if club, launch angle, spin etc.  Which is a point Mr. Mecca was talking to.

 

[fixyurdivot]

To the extent this thread drives which balls Tony includes in his testing, PXG and Snell top my list.  Much like Maxfli, they seem to be targeting the mid tier user market/price point.  If Bob starts offering these at discounted pricing, like he does on some clubs, they'll likely find their way into lots of bags.

I really like that PXG's advertisement for the "one ball that does it all" shows H2H data against the PV1 and PV1X.  Assuming they have equal quality control, it will get down to whether 1-2 yards added distance is worth the ~25% increase in cost.  It will be interesting to see what Tony finds in his data and how these fair in his "true cost" calculation. 

[Subdiver1]

On 4/21/2023 at 7:02 AM, fixyurdivot said:

To the extent this thread drives which balls Tony includes in his testing, PXG and Snell top my list.  Much like Maxfli, they seem to be targeting the mid tier user market/price point.  If Bob starts offering these at discounted pricing, like he does on some clubs, they'll likely find their way into lots of bags.

I really like that PXG's advertisement for the "one ball that does it all" shows H2H data against the PV1 and PV1X.  Assuming they have equal quality control, it will get down to whether 1-2 yards added distance is worth the ~25% increase in cost.  It will be interesting to see what Tony finds in his data and how these fair in his "true cost" calculation. 

Completely to their credit PXG isn't even bashful about showing a 2-3 yard deficit in Driver distance.  Something like that should give credence to the testing/data. It is however interesting that ball speed is faster though distances less.  I liked the ball when I played it in FL.  I'm looking forward to warmer weather up here so I can switch from marshmallows back this ball and play it more, but yes, I am really interested in seeing how it fares in Testing and the Ball Lab.