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anyone else play with people/courses that have a cell phone app for scoring and find it just takes a little too long between holes as they play with the phone?  I guess I may be too old school and realize that a pencil can still do the same job without slowing things down.  Curious if anyone else has thoughts on this?

 

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I use an app and I put my score, putts, fairway hit and everything else in before I get to the next tee box. It takes me less than 20 seconds.

 

 

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anyone else play with people/courses that have a cell phone app for scoring and find it just takes a little too long between holes as they play with the phone?  I guess I may be too old school and realize that a pencil can still do the same job without slowing things down.  Curious if anyone else has thoughts on this?

 

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It definitely depends on the system.

 

For a while, I used SwingXSwing. The paid version allows you to use your smartwatch to enter all your scoring information, and that was easy to do while walking.

 

On the other hand, I found that when I was using the Game Golf app, I would waste time editing shots, making sure it was tagging putts either on the green or not, etc., during the round. Not only was it slow and potentially inconsiderate, but it was a distraction from actually playing golf. I still use the Game Golf device, but I don't pair it with my phone during the round and don't look at it until I'm back at my computer.

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I have used shotbyshot which has both a digital recording method and paper recording method. But the digital way is usually faster. There are lots of details and I usually walk so there is plenty of time to record shot info.

 

This fall I'm gonna try out the arccos system that fits in the grips. Looks like it may be better and faster.

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I'm the only one that uses an App while playing with my bunch. It's pretty much a golf gambling app. I guess it might be considered a specific use app. Doesn't keep stats and stuff, gps, or social media junk. You set up your game, amount of bet, enter scores and that's it. Takes a few second to enter scores after each hole.

It's called - Strokes.

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I don't find that it takes any longer.  Prefer not to be the cart driver when entering data.   I do find that it distracts me from the social aspect of golf which is in my opinion the bigger issue

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I've used all different methods of scoring and tracking from paper scorecard, phone app, and now I currently use my Garmin Approach S20 which sits on my wrist and I am extremely thrilled with it.

 

I used to use the GolfPadGPS app on my phone to track scores and yardage, but man, what a pain in the butt, not to mention slow and cumbersome. Turn phone on in fairway to get distance, stick it back in your pocket. Grab your club and go. After the hole is over pull phone out of pocket, open the app back up, record your score, turn off the phone and back in your pocket. Half the time you have to reload the app, etc. Oh, and if you use the app for 18 holes you'll hopefully have enough battery left to actually use the phone leaving the course. The app stayed active for 4 hours which completely drained your battery.

 

So my wife got me the Garmin Approach S20 for Christmas. Best gift ever. I start the round before I tee off, and it sits on my wrist, just like a caddie. It tracks every shot without me having to do anything to it, and when I am on the green it prompts me for the score. I enter my strokes, putts, if I hit the fairway, and if I had any penalty strokes. I usually enter all of this in about 5 seconds while waiting for someone else is putting out on the hole after I have putted out. If I am last to finish I enter the data while we are walking to the cart.

 

Those of you who still use a paper scorecard actually slow me down, because with my Garmin I've already entered my score before we got to the cart. Most of you get to the cart and are then asking everyone what they shot while holding up the group behind us, waiting for you to move your cart away from the green.

 

Which leads me to my closing thought. Wait to record your score on a paper scorecard when you are at the next tee box, purely for the reason I gave you above.

 

Once you get a wristwatch to record your score, it will make scorekeeping so easy and efficient that you'll never go back to a paper scorecard.

 

Oh, and for you luddites with a pencil, I know my score coming off of 18 green for the entire round as soon as I record my last score. You have to go back to the cart and spend the next 10 minutes doing the math in your head. My Garmin tells me my score per nine, as well as how many putts and GIR all in my display and it tells me how long it took us to play 18 holes and how many miles I walked during the round.

 

 

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anyone else play with people/courses that have a cell phone app for scoring and find it just takes a little too long between holes as they play with the phone? I guess I may be too old school and realize that a pencil can still do the same job without slowing things down. Curious if anyone else has thoughts on this?

 

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Lots of ways to slow play and when it comes down to it each one of those ways is a result of someone not being courteous to those around them. Digital equipment can slow down play but it doesn't have to if you just use the natural pause in play to enter your score. That pause could be standing on the green while others putt out, waiting your turn to tee off or even while someone searches for a lost ball. Players just need to be cognizant or courteous to those around them.

 

 

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I use an app and I put my score, putts, fairway hit and everything else in before I get to the next tee box. It takes me less than 20 seconds.

 

 

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I use a pencil - it's takes me less cosiderably less. I guess I may be in the minority these days, but ultimately if you really want to use stats to confirm what you actually did on the course, you may be better off using that theory and applying it to your pre-shot routine rather than your post shot tally. I'm pretty sure that some people really don't need a stat to telll them where their weaknesses (or indeed strengths) are in their game. At the end on the day, it' not how - it's how many. And you can take all the time you want to break that down after the round.

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I use a pencil - it's takes me less cosiderably less. I guess I may be in the minority these days, but ultimately if you really want to use stats to confirm what you actually did on the course, you may be better off using that theory and applying it to your pre-shot routine rather than your post shot tally. I'm pretty sure that some people really don't need a stat to telll them where their weaknesses (or indeed strengths) are in their game. At the end on the day, it' not how - it's how many. And you can take all the time you want to break that down after the round.

 

For me, it is not considerably less time to write it down. I can screw around on my phone while walking or in a moving cart. I have to be standing/sitting still to write anything that is not totally illegible.

 

I think Steddy nailed it - it can take longer if you are not careful, depending on what you are trying to do, but being situationally aware goes a long way.

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I've been using GolfPad for years now so it's automatic for me. I don't believe that I've slowed play at all, just a quick flip on of the phone, tag the shot and it goes back in my pocket. It takes all of about 5 seconds.

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I used to use GolfShot. 5 swipes and you are done. Not more than 5 seconds.

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Old school scorecards and pencil for me.  So far, no one I play with uses an electronic scoring system.  A couple of the guys have the wristwatch distance devices.  Life has enough electronic intrusions already - I enjoy the hiatus from them while playing golf or fishing.

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I use a pencil - it's takes me less cosiderably less. I guess I may be in the minority these days, but ultimately if you really want to use stats to confirm what you actually did on the course, you may be better off using that theory and applying it to your pre-shot routine rather than your post shot tally. I'm pretty sure that some people really don't need a stat to telll them where their weaknesses (or indeed strengths) are in their game. At the end on the day, it' not how - it's how many. And you can take all the time you want to break that down after the round.

 

 

Old school scorecards and pencil for me.  So far, no one I play with uses an electronic scoring system.  A couple of the guys have the wristwatch distance devices.  Life has enough electronic intrusions already - I enjoy the hiatus from them while playing golf or fishing.

I've got $100 that says I can record and add up my scores faster with my Garmin on my wrist then you guys can do it with your pencils and paper scorecards.

 

In fact, I already have verifiable proof.  After every hole I have to sit in the cart and wait while the other guys in my group write down their scores on the scorecard, when I'm ready for the next hole as I've already recorded my score either on the green while they were finishing out, or on the way to the cart before I got there.

 

And at the end of the round, they are sitting on the side of the last green doing high level math trying to figure out how many triples and doubles they posted and adding all of that crap up.  I tell them my score as they are walking to their cart to add it all up, and I've already gone to my car, removed my shoes and put my clubs in the car before they even show up in the parking lot.  There have been some days when they are still screwing around with their paper scorecard that I've already left the parking lot and headed home.

 

The funniest thing to me is that they'll spend all of that time adding up their scores, only to leave the scorecard on the cart every week and never record their scores anywhere for memories sake.  Maybe they just don't care or don't want to, but why go through the trouble to keep score if you are just going to leave the scorecard, and not even record it for handicap purposes?  We certainly weren't playing for stakes or anything, so I honestly don't see the point in keeping score if you are just going to forget it 5 minutes after you left the parking lot and you'll never refer to it ever again, or have it recorded anywhere for any purpose.

 

Yeah, I get it.  Change is always difficult for most of us.  But as I stated above, I'm always looking for ways to not only improve the way I play the game, but also if I can find ways to speed it up so as not to become a hindrance to those I play the game with.

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I've got $100 that says I can record and add up my scores faster with my Garmin on my wrist then you guys can do it with your pencils and paper scorecards.

 

In fact, I already have verifiable proof.  After every hole I have to sit in the cart and wait while the other guys in my group write down their scores on the scorecard, when I'm ready for the next hole as I've already recorded my score either on the green while they were finishing out, or on the way to the cart before I got there.

 

And at the end of the round, they are sitting on the side of the last green doing high level math trying to figure out how many triples and doubles they posted and adding all of that crap up.  I tell them my score as they are walking to their cart to add it all up, and I've already gone to my car, removed my shoes and put my clubs in the car before they even show up in the parking lot.  There have been some days when they are still screwing around with their paper scorecard that I've already left the parking lot and headed home.

 

The funniest thing to me is that they'll spend all of that time adding up their scores, only to leave the scorecard on the cart every week and never record their scores anywhere for memories sake.  Maybe they just don't care or don't want to, but why go through the trouble to keep score if you are just going to leave the scorecard, and not even record it for handicap purposes?  We certainly weren't playing for stakes or anything, so I honestly don't see the point in keeping score if you are just going to forget it 5 minutes after you left the parking lot and you'll never refer to it ever again, or have it recorded anywhere for any purpose.

 

Yeah, I get it.  Change is always difficult for most of us.  But as I stated above, I'm always looking for ways to not only improve the way I play the game, but also if I can find ways to speed it up so as not to become a hindrance to those I play the game with.

 

I think you misunderstood my original post. I'm certainly not saying I can add up my scores quicker than any computer - like I said, you have plenty of time after a round to do this. I can certainly write a figure with a pencil quicker than you can enter data on your wrist though...I know because I've tried it.

What I am saying is, if there is any advantage to any system of recording, then you must learn or gain at least, something from it.  Anyone can input data into a computer and number crunch stats until the cows come home, but there must be a significant learning curve to it, otherwise - what's the point?

You certainly don't need stats analysis to realise "I really shouldn't be slicing my tee shots into the trees" or "I really need to hole more putts". That's obvious data that is total junk if you need a review of a scorecard to remind you of it. "57% of my 150+ yard  shots reach the green" is the kind of stat that if you really need to know it, then you must be pretty dumb.

By the same token, I can recall just about every shot from memory of a particular round without the need of a device or a scorecard. The scorecard itself is just a means of totting the score up afterwards. Do I need to write down the fairways hit or number of sand saves, greens in regulation or putts? No, because I remember those shots because historically, I HIT THEM!! 

Would writing down that info improve my game in the slightest? Absolutely not. I know if I've made a good score on a hole or not - I don't need a device to tell me the freaking obvious.

What I did say is that if you wish to improve your game, you need to be making the correct choices before you make a shot, not historically looking a stat after you've made a shot. No stat ever made a good shot happen - period.

Lastly, I'm in no hurry after a round to change my shoes in the car park and leave to go home and charge my device - pencils and scorecards are environmentally sound and no batteries are required. I believe I can get more feedback from a round by chatting to my playing partners over a couple of beers afterwards - heck I could even learn something that could help improve my scoring too. 

 

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I think you misunderstood my original post. I'm certainly not saying I can add up my scores quicker than any computer - like I said, you have plenty of time after a round to do this. I can certainly write a figure with a pencil quicker than you can enter data on your wrist though...I know because I've tried it.

What I am saying is, if there is any advantage to any system of recording, then you must learn or gain at least, something from it.  Anyone can input data into a computer and number crunch stats until the cows come home, but there must be a significant learning curve to it, otherwise - what's the point?

You certainly don't need stats analysis to realise "I really shouldn't be slicing my tee shots into the trees" or "I really need to hole more putts". That's obvious data that is total junk if you need a review of a scorecard to remind you of it. "57% of my 150+ yard  shots reach the green" is the kind of stat that if you really need to know it, then you must be pretty dumb.

By the same token, I can recall just about every shot from memory of a particular round without the need of a device or a scorecard. The scorecard itself is just a means of totting the score up afterwards. Do I need to write down the fairways hit or number of sand saves, greens in regulation or putts? No, because I remember those shots because historically, I HIT THEM!! 

Would writing down that info improve my game in the slightest? Absolutely not. I know if I've made a good score on a hole or not - I don't need a device to tell me the freaking obvious.

What I did say is that if you wish to improve your game, you need to be making the correct choices before you make a shot, not historically looking a stat after you've made a shot. No stat ever made a good shot happen - period.

Lastly, I'm in no hurry after a round to change my shoes in the car park and leave to go home and charge my device - pencils and scorecards are environmentally sound and no batteries are required. I believe I can get more feedback from a round by chatting to my playing partners over a couple of beers afterwards - heck I could even learn something that could help improve my scoring too. 

The Garmin on my wrist watch tracks shot distance.  It provides an accurate reflection of how far I hit each club, versus what I assumed I was hitting it.  And after many rounds using this sort of shot tracking analysis you discover trends in your game that I otherwise would have never picked up based on my memory.  Hell, I can't even remember what I ate for lunch 2 days ago, let alone what I did on the golf course two weeks ago.  My Garmin when synched to a computer or iPhone gives me a running history of my game, and trends, etc.  This information is valuable to me, and has helped me with course management.  Gee, I keep hitting my tee shot on this hole in the same spot every round and with the same club.  And I keep walking off of that hole with bogey because I think I hit that club a certain distance when I obviously don't.  Just an example, but I've found myself analyzing the data that Garmin gives me to help me with my course management skills.  I've changed club selection on specific holes and shots, based on the data the Garmin has shown me.

 

Maybe your memory is a lot better than mine then, and to that I congratulate you.  But I've got months of stats on my Garmin that tell me my % of fairways hit, and % of GIR over a long period of time.  Sure, maybe I can reflect on a single round as to how many fairways and greens I hit, but over a month, or many months?  I'm a numbers guy by birth anyway, so for me I love the crunch them and to see the trends in my game, at least beyond where my handicap index was 3 months ago, as opposed to now.

 

The main thing for me with the Garmin though honestly, was the GPS and instant yardage from wherever I am standing on the course.  You can't glean that from a scorecard, and as I mentioned previously, I've tried all sorts of other options, from the phone app, to the laser range finder (which I will still use, depending on the situation).  I just find that the Garmin on my wrist saves a ton of time in getting accurate yardage, versus other methods.  Granted, I know we weren't discussing this in this thread, and just scoring, so I digress.  But it is an additional tool that the Garmin brings to my game that has made things for me more convenient, quicker, and reliable.  The distance and the score on the wrist is just simply the quickest and best way I've found to play a round of golf.

 

It's funny you closed with the environmental aspect of things.  Last I checked they were asking us to recycle paper and things like that.  I suppose it'll eventually require a new battery on the Garmin, but I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.  This part of the argument seems superfluous to me.

 

Honestly, all of this is just boredom talk.  None of this really amounts to much if anything with regards to anything worth having a serious conversation over.  We all use whatever we are comfortable with and what we like the best.  If you want to write down your score on the back of your partner's leg, then by all means, have at it.   :o  ;)  :D

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I let Arccos keep score for me. I check it on the next tee box to confirm it had all the shots and add on any gimme putts.

 

I also as part of what I consider to be  playing ready golf, while waiting for others to hit I check the yardage on my phone and make sure that no shots on the current hole have been missed. 

 

I had an Izzo 5000 that also keeps score but has to be entered manually, that I did find to be slow so I stopped using it for that once I got the Arccos sensors on.

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Our Saturday group posts live scoring through an app, you can see the leaderboard as you play, it doesn't take that long to do.

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Our Saturday group posts live scoring through an app, you can see the leaderboard as you play, it doesn't take that long to do.

What app do you use? I like that idea.

 

 

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