Liv Golf Central Thread: Events and News

[LICC]

9 hours ago, fixyurdivot said:

Which was Tiger's beef long before Phil's.  The PGA paid lip service to both of them for years leading up to this and that continued right up to the point Phil chose his controversial path with public comments and move to LIV.  Imagine for a moment had Jay and staff brought these two in to discuss the new changes before Phil's signing. Does anyone not think this would have likely changed where we stand now?  It's my belief that, had they been able to keep Phil from signing, LIV is DOA. 

I know lots of folks here do not like Phil, but hell, even Chamblee acknowledges how huge a loss Phil is to the PGA Tour. If Jay had all these new, monetary rich, changes in hand during the lead up to LIV, why not pull Tiger, Phil, Rory, Speith, Thomas, etc. into a meeting to discuss and get input?  I'm not saying Phil might not have still have been lured away by the $200M, but I suspect not.  Jay has played this hand of cards really poorly IMO.

Stop fooling yourself. Phil was taking the money and joining LIV no matter what. 

[PeterHenric]

2 hours ago, FrogginBullfish said:

Another thing that I've really not enjoyed since the announcements of the new changes to how the PGA Tour will operate is all of the thinkpieces of how "Phil was right" and deserves to be "forgiven" for all he did. There is so much more to things than just being right. How you go about it also matters quite a lot. The ends don't always justify the means.

I agree with you on this. He could have handled this very differently and potentially saved his reputation. 

[Bang60]

2 hours ago, Middler said:

Well said. For all those who’ve said the PGA blew it, they should have tried to work with LIV - how about the upstart new kid on the block try to find a way to work with the PGA? LIV has been nothing but adversarial from the start. And if the Saudis wanted to improve their reputation via sportswashing, maybe working WITH the PGA would have done more toward gaining acceptance than trying to destroy them. I have to believe Greg and Phil wanted to harm the PGA first and foremost, make a bunch of money for themselves and sportswashing was further down THEIR personal priorities (Phil has admitted same).

I remember headlines back when Greg was number one and before Jay was in the picture that he thought some change was needed, he got told where to go as in we don't want an Aussie telling us how to run golf go away.

Now some players are actually doing this, full circle huh...

[shootmyage]

10 hours ago, Bang60 said:

I remember headlines back when Greg was number one and before Jay was in the picture that he thought some change was needed, he got told where to go as in we don't want an Aussie telling us how to run golf go away.

Now some players are actually doing this, full circle huh...

 pga has 32 tpc  golf courses ( billions $$ ) in US , norman designed 2 in texas , anyone hear any bulldozers ripping them up  

 

[shootmyage]

14 hours ago, PeterHenric said:

I agree with you on this. He could have handled this very differently and potentially saved his reputation. 

i don't think phil has to be forgiven for anything  , the pga big shots did not like what he said but all the players should be thanking him , someday they will understand , like i said before in 20-30 years the only players that will be remembered will be--- bj-bh-ss- ap-jn-gp-lt-tw-pm , the rest will be --who ?

Edited September 1, 2022 by shootmyage

[RickyBobby_PR]

Cam Smith sounds like an idiot talking about LIV golfers not eating OWGR and worried about losing a chance to play in the majors when exemptions run out.

He should maybe read the up on how OWGR requirements for a tour and learn why they aren’t getting them.

 

[LICC]

28 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Cam Smith sounds like an idiot talking about LIV golfers not eating OWGR and worried about losing a chance to play in the majors when exemptions run out.

He should maybe read the up on how OWGR requirements for a tour and learn why they aren’t getting them.

 

I think the smartest thing the OWGR Board can do is wait the full year before deciding on ranking points for LIV, then award LIV events points on a much reduced number compared to standard Tour events. The 54 holes instead of 72 and the no-cut format are good for at least a 50% reduction. The limited field and even the shotgun start is good for another 10-20%. So award LIV events 30-35% the points of a standard Tour event. That would be low enough to mostly keep otherwise ineligible LIV players out of the majors, but it would likely hold up in a lawsuit.

Edited September 1, 2022 by LICC

[MGoBlue100]

On 8/30/2022 at 11:19 AM, revkev said:

I do agree here - to me another great change and a way to protect the so called "lesser" tour events would be to make them qualifiers for the top events.  Players 51-60 drop off the list after each big event and the top players in the inbetween tournaments get those spots.  It would be a move back towards how golf used to be prior to the "all exempt" tour.  I don't know about others but I love watching tournaments where guys are playing for their playing lives - I greatly prefer the first two playoff events to the last one - I couldn't get interested in the last one even though it was raining where I live and I could have watched - I made time to watch some of the two playoff events leading up to it and also the last event of the regular season.

PGA Tour "Big Break"... 

[Middler]

Wonder how much money the Saudi's will throw at OWGR?

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LIV officially applied for OWGR certification on July 6. But unless there is a sudden and dramatic change in OWGR rules, the earliest the league could start earning points is 2024. Even that timeline appears optimistic for multiple reasons. The first is that the OWGR takes around one to two years to process applications. The second is that LIV does not meet several criteria that the OWGR lists as mandatory to be considered, and all of those criteria would have to be in place for at least one year prior to the application being accepted.

 

 

[Bang60]

8 hours ago, shootmyage said:

 pga has 32 tpc  golf courses ( billions $$ ) in US , norman designed 2 in texas , anyone hear any bulldozers ripping them up  

 

I'd not be surprised lol...

[shootmyage]

to me there are 2 major golf tournaments , one is the us open ( usga ) the other is the pga championship .if the liv golfers are any good at all they could try and qualify for both ,  the open and augusta are another story as they are arms of the tour 

the pga tour and points mean nothing about getting in , if you are very good you can get in ..

 

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[LICC]

2 hours ago, shootmyage said:

to me there are 2 major golf tournaments , one is the us open ( usga ) the other is the pga championship .if the liv golfers are any good at all they could try and qualify for both ,  the open and augusta are another story as they are arms of the tour 

the pga tour and points mean nothing about getting in , if you are very good you can get in ..

 

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I love this guy ...

[Headhammer]

Hear me out. What if we are all being punked and all of this is a set-up for the biggest annual PPV event EVER? 

[shootmyage]

i  doubt it , the pga would not risk it ,the pga would have so much more to lose , where as liv would have nothing to lose , even if it's a close match  liv would be called the winner .  

i do think if the liv gets 4 or 5 players in the pga championship or us open it would be very interesting ., like before it would put a lot of pressure on the top pga tour players to not get beat by liv .

i think that's one of the reasons the tour does not want liv players in any tournament where the top pga players are in , what if 3 or 4 liv players beat 3 or 4 of the top pga players .

turn off the lights , party is over .

Edited September 2, 2022 by shootmyage

[shootmyage]

i love what varner 3's wife said about those bad mouthing her husband 

more liv wifes should speak out 

good grief it's not a nuke war , it's just a game .

as most of the members on this forum may know by now i like the liv tour as much as the pga tour, as liv had done so much to help the pga players than anything .

i would like to see on liv is a korea team .

one thing i don;t think i have not seen a active member of the lpga say something bad about liv , i guess they are waiting for the saudie's to throw a billion at them .

Edited September 2, 2022 by shootmyage

[LICC]

The rumored LIV schedule for next year. Not exactly a global set of venues- 10 of 14 events in the U.S., Canada and Mexico:

Feb 3-5 Florida (vs. Pebble Beach)
Feb 24-26 California (vs. Honda)
Mar 17-19 Tucson / Dove Mountain (vs. Valspar)
Apr 14-16 Australia (vs. Heritage, long trip week after Masters)
Apr 28-30 Singapore (vs. Mexico Open)
May 12-14 Washington (vs. Nelson leading into PGA)
June 23-25 Philadelphia / Trump Philly likely (vs. Travelers week after US Open)
June 30-July 2 London / Centurion (vs. Rocket Mortgage)
July 14-16 Spain (vs. Scottish Open leading into British)
Aug 4-6 New Jersey / Bedminster (vs. Wyndham)
Aug 18-20 West Virginia / Greenbrier (vs. BMW)
Sept 1-3 Chicago / Rich Harvest
Sept 15-17 Toronto or Mexico
Sept 29-Oct 1 Florida / Doral Team Championship

Edited September 2, 2022 by LICC

[shootmyage]

Just now, LICC said:

The rumored LIV schedule for next year. Not exactly a global set of venues- 10 of 14 events in the U.S., Canada and Mexico:

Feb 3-5 Florida (vs. Pebble Beach)
Feb 24-26 California (vs. Honda)
Mar 17-19 Tucson / Dove Mountain (vs. Valspar)
Apr 14-16 Australia (vs. Heritage, long trip week after Masters)
Apr 28-30 Singapore (vs. Mexico Open)
May 12-14 Washington (vs. Nelson leading into PGA)
June 23-25 Philadelphia / Trump Philly likely (vs. Travelers week after US Open)
June 30-July 2 London / Centurion (vs. Rocket Mortgage)
July 14-16 Spain (vs. Scottish Open leading into British)
Aug 4-6 New Jersey / Bedminster (vs. Wyndham)
Aug 18-20 West Virginia / Greenbrier (vs. BMW)
Sept 1-3 Chicago / Rich Harvest
Sept 15-17 Toronto or Mexico
Sept 29-Oct 1 Florida / Doral Team Championship

avg about 2 a month , i wonder how many of the pga top 20 will play pebble beach , pretty smart not going against the bigger name pga tournaments , except pebble beach 

jack n. said if he had one last course to play in his life it would be pebble beach   things do change . 

Edited September 2, 2022 by shootmyage

[LICC]

7 minutes ago, shootmyage said:

avg about 2 a month , i wonder how many of the pga top 20 will play pebble beach , pretty smart not going against the bigger name pga tournaments , except pebble beach 

Aramco has had their Saudi event opposite Pebble Beach, I wonder if that will change.

[shootmyage]

Just now, LICC said:

Aramco has had their Saudi event opposite Pebble Beach, I wonder if that will change.

liv is very smart , but going against pebble beach is a big mistake , then again i would think very few top 20 will play pb as like people say about liv " it's all about the money " so most of the top 20 will pass and save themselves for the big dollar tournaments that count , i don't blame them ..

[TBS]

59 minutes ago, LICC said:

The rumored LIV schedule for next year. Not exactly a global set of venues- 10 of 14 events in the U.S., Canada and Mexico:

Feb 3-5 Florida (vs. Pebble Beach)
Feb 24-26 California (vs. Honda)
Mar 17-19 Tucson / Dove Mountain (vs. Valspar)
Apr 14-16 Australia (vs. Heritage, long trip week after Masters)
Apr 28-30 Singapore (vs. Mexico Open)
May 12-14 Washington (vs. Nelson leading into PGA)
June 23-25 Philadelphia / Trump Philly likely (vs. Travelers week after US Open)
June 30-July 2 London / Centurion (vs. Rocket Mortgage)
July 14-16 Spain (vs. Scottish Open leading into British)
Aug 4-6 New Jersey / Bedminster (vs. Wyndham)
Aug 18-20 West Virginia / Greenbrier (vs. BMW)
Sept 1-3 Chicago / Rich Harvest
Sept 15-17 Toronto or Mexico
Sept 29-Oct 1 Florida / Doral Team Championship

Pebble, Scottish Open, Heritage, BMW, and Rocket Mortgage. They aren't doing themselves any favors by trying to create a complimentary tour... 

Each year, I expect LIV to get more daring in the tournaments they choose to go opposite from, especially if Greg is still running it.

Also, that's a lot of travel after majors, but if their players don't make the cut it won't be so bad.

[gavinski91]

Love having Bubba follow HV3 around and provide commentary - a nice addition to the broadcast.

[Bang60]

3 hours ago, gavinski91 said:

Love having Bubba follow HV3 around and provide commentary - a nice addition to the broadcast.

Yeah that’s funny watching them ham it up lol, enjoyed the first round and Mathew Wolfe getting the First ever hole in one on the Liv Tour. Wonder what that bonus is? A $$$$ million dollar at least….

[fixyurdivot]

3 hours ago, gavinski91 said:

Love having Bubba follow HV3 around and provide commentary - a nice addition to the broadcast.

Yea, Norman's making him earn his money... but Bubba best not quit the day job . 

Since I had to hang around for a repairman today, I watched the LIV event on and off.  It looks like plenty of Boston folks came out to see what this is all about.  Being the last holiday of the summer, it will be interesting to see what attendance looks like on Sat & Sun.  The course is really gorgeous looking.  It reminds me a little of some Puget Sound area courses.

Have I mentioned how absolutely great the free streaming is?  This alone would keep me watching these events... are you listening Greg?  I'm not sure what it is about this broadcast crew, but it just seems to flow really well and, just watching golf  100%, with no interruptions, is fantastic. 

It was funny hearing Cam Smith on the "live mic", after crashing and bending his 62 wedge around a tree, ask DJ whether he knew if the Titleist guys would be available.  DJ responds "did you bend it?", to which Can responds "yea, it's eff'd up" .  Seriously Cam, I'm pretty sure the local Titleist guys were headed out the door the minute you handed the wedge back to Sam.

Big kudos to Shergo Al Kurdi who got notified about an hour prior to start to substitute for Stenson who was having vertigo and a stiff neck.  He played with Cam and DJ, and the 18 year old (not a misprint) had a solid round.  

HV3 looked really pensive and out of sorts through the first handful of holes... maybe having buyers remorse?   But he got into the flow and was back to his joking, laughing self at the finish. 

For me, this is simply becoming another entertaining pro golf venue.  The format is just fine.  Who says events have to be 72 holes?  Why not shotgun starts?  I'm even okay with the no cut format (we already have them on the PGA). I could do without the background music, but many of the players say they actually like it... so, why not?

#keepthefreestreamingforever!

[Bang60]

37 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

Yea, Norman's making him earn his money... but Bubba best not quit the day job . 

Since I had to hang around for a repairman today, I watched the LIV event on and off.  It looks like plenty of Boston folks came out to see what this is all about.  Being the last holiday of the summer, it will be interesting to see what attendance looks like on Sat & Sun.  The course is really gorgeous looking.  It reminds me a little of some Puget Sound area courses.

Have I mentioned how absolutely great the free streaming is?  This alone would keep me watching these events... are you listening Greg?  I'm not sure what it is about this broadcast crew, but it just seems to flow really well and, just watching golf  100%, with no interruptions, is fantastic. 

It was funny hearing Cam Smith on the "live mic", after crashing and bending his 62 wedge around a tree, ask DJ whether he knew if the Titleist guys would be available.  DJ responds "did you bend it?", to which Can responds "yea, it's eff'd up" .  Seriously Cam, I'm pretty sure the local Titleist guys were headed out the door the minute you handed the wedge back to Sam.

Big kudos to Shergo Al Kurdi who got notified about an hour prior to start to substitute for Stenson who was having vertigo and a stiff neck.  He played with Cam and DJ, and the 18 year old (not a misprint) had a solid round.  

HV3 looked really pensive and out of sorts through the first handful of holes... maybe having buyers remorse?   But he got into the flow and was back to his joking, laughing self at the finish. 

For me, this is simply becoming another entertaining pro golf venue.  The format is just fine.  Who says events have to be 72 holes?  Why not shotgun starts?  I'm even okay with the no cut format (we already have them on the PGA). I could do without the background music, but many of the players say they actually like it... so, why not?

#keepthefreestreamingforever!

Agree 100% and like you say keep the free streaming, the best part for me is I’m seeing golfers ‍ I know and actually want to see play. Sorry not really interested in the men players on the pga tour that are constantly shown, I’m happy not paying for sports that Shows more advertising than sport  

[shootmyage]

i really like watching liv golf , watched them all , also love the 56 holes , shotgun and team ,   even perez had a good round , brooks koeka's brother tied him , 

mickelson has started and played a total 10 rounds (180 holes ) with liv , he has not been under par yet on any day  , can't make a put anymore , still love to watch him play , he is so much better than the way he's playing on liv 

maybe tomorrow he will get under par and help the team , they are in ist place , they play 2 best scores again saturday , sunday. they use the 3 best team scores  .

Edited September 3, 2022 by shootmyage

[RickyBobby_PR]

33 minutes ago, shootmyage said:

i really like watching liv golf , watched them all , also love the 56 holes , shotgun and team ,   even perez had a good round , brooks koeka's brother tied him , 

mickelson has started and played a total 10 rounds (180 holes ) with liv , he has not been under par yet on any day  , can't make a put anymore , still love to watch him play , he is so much better than the way he's playing on liv 

maybe tomorrow he will get under par and help the team , they are in ist place , they play 2 best scores again saturday , sunday. they use the 3 best team scores  .

Phils been playin like that the last year when he’s not on the champions tour. It is who Phil is now. 

[gavinski91]

And shorts are now officially allowed on the LIV tour - the PGA won’t be able to stop the exodus now

[Bang60]

Is this what y’all see or something else?

[ryan.mzzz]

14 minutes ago, Bang60 said:

Is this what y’all see or something else?

i’d be super interested in average time watched per viewer. 

Edited September 3, 2022 by ryan.mzzz
clarity

[ryan.mzzz]

4 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Phils been playin like that the last year when he’s not on the champions tour. It is who Phil is now. 

wasn’t this last year? Phil is in great shape. I feel like he could contend in majors for the next couple years.