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10 minutes ago, Buffly said:

Golfworks. I'm sure it would be extra to remove the head and reinstall it.

yah okay that is the only place I know and that is when you buy the shaft from them fyi... I honestly dont know if they do the retro pure anymore

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Nope. Multiple tests from respected people in the industry like Dr Sasha Mackenzie and most recently TXG show that shaft PUREing provides no benefit.    if you want to spend your money and

So today I had a little extra time before our round and visited the PING kiosk at the pro shop.  They had a 7i G410 green dot and I tested it with a Recoil 780 F3.  I hit it and my 7i and, while I did

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11 minutes ago, Manimal26 said:

yah okay that is the only place I know and that is when you buy the shaft from them fyi... I honestly dont know if they do the retro pure anymore

From the golfworks site:

The GolfWorks performs dis-assembly, PUREing and re-assembly of complete golf clubs. Complete golf club sets require 5-7 days before shipping. For additional information about PUREing services, contact The GolfWorks at 1-800-848-8358.

Based on SSTPure site,  retro puring runs abut $75 a shaft. 

 

 

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So I just found this outfit while poking around the web. PING G410 Custom Irons (golfio.com)  No Accra shafts option but for $130 I can buy a single G410 6i with the Recoil SMC ES780 F3 shaft.  Anyone purchased through golfio.com or know of other like club builders who offer single iron builds?

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Did a follow-up range session with Recoil SMC Wrap ES780 F3 and both the G410 and i500.  This time I had my swing caddie and captured carry, swing speed and ball speed.  I must say these shafts feel really nice.  If I was heading to the TS fitting tomorrow, I would be asking to test these 😕.

                        SS avg.          BS avg.        Carry avg. (limited distance balls)

G410/AWT      82                  98                143

G410/Recoil    81                  100              142

i500/Recoil     83                   99               139

Not much difference between these.  My longest hits were with the AWT's but only by 4-6 yards. Ball flights were very similar with most having the faint baby fade.  I did feel like I was reaching a little with the Recoil as it was standard length.  I'm not sure what standard length is for a 7i graphite shaft but, standing it against my AWT, it looked to be 3/4 inch shorter. I'd love to test this shaft in a a +1/2 length as that, I think, would be a good fit.

My fastest swing/ball speeds were with the i500 - a few up to 104 mph, but probably coincided with off center strikes.  I do love the look of the i500 irons and wonder if PING will elect to add magic goo fill for improved sound and increased distance?  And then their is the question about the G425's and how they will compare to the G410's.

At this point, I'm pretty satisfied that the TS fitting confirms that I'm gaming a near optimum iron configuration.  And with the release of the G425's and ??? around the corner, I would probably be wise to wait on making a change... though I may spring for a 6i with a +1/2 through golfio.com. 

Any thoughts on the length? While I caught several thin with both heads and Recoil, I was getting flush contact most of the time.  

 

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I've always preferred to fit to my miss hits. My first stat I always compare is dispersion once that is where I'm happy then I'll consider distance and speed. Picking up 20 yard with a 15 yard dispersion isn't picking up strokes. Most likely going to play worse on my home course (very narrow). I will give up about 2-3 yards of length for each one yard dispersion. 

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On 12/22/2020 at 10:03 PM, Onestoptech said:

I've always preferred to fit to my miss hits. My first stat I always compare is dispersion once that is where I'm happy then I'll consider distance and speed. Picking up 20 yard with a 15 yard dispersion isn't picking up strokes. Most likely going to play worse on my home course (very narrow). I will give up about 2-3 yards of length for each one yard dispersion. 

Totally makes sense. Distance gains with dispersion loss can be no Bueno.  Now maybe +20 carry yards with only 3 yards left and right might work, but yes, something to consider in the distance chase.

The Accra shafts were both longer and tighter grouped but, such as fittings are, based on pretty limited sample size (5-7 shots).  TrueSpec is offering a no cost, repeat fitting with the GCQuad LM.  This will be good in that not only will we get the 3D impact data and really ferret out my shaft length question, I'll be able to see if the Accra holds the #1 spot a second time around and against a couple of other composite shafts we did not try. They'll also have the shaft adapter so I can see how my current 3w performs with the Diamana Thump shaft.

If by chance the PING 425 iron is available by then, that would be an added bonus!

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As you already figured out, you can’t get ACCRA shafts directly from any OEM as an upgrade option. The people behind ACCRA decided to stay loyal to their custom Clubmakers customer base even after being acquired by TrueSports. So even, if you would decide on a different set of irons (which really might not be necessary, since the G410s are great irons already), you would have to have them reshafted. Ping doesn’t offer head only accounts to custom shops, since it’s not a good fit to their philosophy and the way, their heads are manufactured. Swing weighting is done with different inserts, glued in during the manufacturing process. A head only account would have to hold a large variety of weights for each different head style, making the stock hard to manage. 
 

Either way, from my personal findings, the ACCRA ICWT perform similar to Recoils, but a bit more precise and a bit firmer feeling in the same weight. I played Recoil Protos for some time and while I had great results when testing the ICWT, I kept the Recoils due to me preferring their feel at impact. 
 

Steelfibre shafts are very different from Recoils and ICWT. Stiffer overall and counterbalanced by a good amount. When building sets in standard length with Steelfibre shafts, I always had to deal with a significant change in swingweight with those shafts. Some players like that feel, while others just hate it and perform very poorly with these shafts or counterbalanced shafts in irons in general. 
 

Another shaft on the very stable side, that you might want to check out, are the PX Catalyst options. If you go from steel to graphite, these might be something you like. 
 

During my fittings, when dealing with players who want to get fit for an iron and the question is about steel vs. Graphite, it normally comes down to 2 things. Once being the price tag. Most steel shafts are just cheaper than their graphite counterparts. There are some stupid expensive steel options out there as well (Oban Steel), but generally speaking, steel is less expensive. The next question is health of the joints. Mainly elbow, wrist and shoulder. If you want to lessen the impact on your body, graphite is the way to go. Once these points are clear, it’s all about finding the best combination of weight/heft/balance, to help the golfer perform to their max potential. And with irons, I don‘t mean the one long shot, but the best mix of distance and dispersion.

I hope, you get a chance to retest and compare the Recoils to the ICWT shaft. I wouldn’t be surprised if the ACCRA still outperforms the Recoils, but it shouldn’t be by a lot. Enjoy the process and don’t let them rip your wallet apart 

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1 hour ago, Golfmanufaktur said:

As you already figured out, you can’t get ACCRA shafts directly from any OEM as an upgrade option. The people behind ACCRA decided to stay loyal to their custom Clubmakers customer base even after being acquired by TrueSports. So even, if you would decide on a different set of irons (which really might not be necessary, since the G410s are great irons already), you would have to have them reshafted. Ping doesn’t offer head only accounts to custom shops, since it’s not a good fit to their philosophy and the way, their heads are manufactured. Swing weighting is done with different inserts, glued in during the manufacturing process. A head only account would have to hold a large variety of weights for each different head style, making the stock hard to manage. 
 

Either way, from my personal findings, the ACCRA ICWT perform similar to Recoils, but a bit more precise and a bit firmer feeling in the same weight. I played Recoil Protos for some time and while I had great results when testing the ICWT, I kept the Recoils due to me preferring their feel at impact. 
 

Steelfibre shafts are very different from Recoils and ICWT. Stiffer overall and counterbalanced by a good amount. When building sets in standard length with Steelfibre shafts, I always had to deal with a significant change in swingweight with those shafts. Some players like that feel, while others just hate it and perform very poorly with these shafts or counterbalanced shafts in irons in general. 
 

Another shaft on the very stable side, that you might want to check out, are the PX Catalyst options. If you go from steel to graphite, these might be something you like. 
 

During my fittings, when dealing with players who want to get fit for an iron and the question is about steel vs. Graphite, it normally comes down to 2 things. Once being the price tag. Most steel shafts are just cheaper than their graphite counterparts. There are some stupid expensive steel options out there as well (Oban Steel), but generally speaking, steel is less expensive. The next question is health of the joints. Mainly elbow, wrist and shoulder. If you want to lessen the impact on your body, graphite is the way to go. Once these points are clear, it’s all about finding the best combination of weight/heft/balance, to help the golfer perform to their max potential. And with irons, I don‘t mean the one long shot, but the best mix of distance and dispersion.

I hope, you get a chance to retest and compare the Recoils to the ICWT shaft. I wouldn’t be surprised if the ACCRA still outperforms the Recoils, but it shouldn’t be by a lot. Enjoy the process and don’t let them rip your wallet apart 

Cheers, 

Michael from Germany

Michael, wow, fantastic input, thanks!  I haven't checked back with the fitter as yet on which Recoil shafts are available but I would be surprised if they don't have most of them. Yes, the Steelfiber i80 definitely felt very stiff and club like to me. Another forum member has suggested Mitsubishi OT iron shafts and I'll see if they have those and/or the PX Catalyst.  Hopefully I'll have several options to compete with the Accra - which are out of the running for both price and aesthetics.  

As for other iron heads, we did not include a Mizuno or Srixon in the first round and I plan to include those the next time... the G410's can't rest too easy yet.

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Just heard back from Truespec.  They do not have the Recoil SMACWrap ES780/F3 stating the they are a "stock offering for PING"... which makes no sense to me as to why they wouldn't have them.  I haven't checked but don't believe these to be a PING exclusive partnership similar to the Alta CB... anyone know?

I can try the OTi and PX Catalyst and see how these compare to the Accra.  It's a real bummer Accra isn't more widely available through major custom builders like TGW 😕.  I guess they have their reasons but on the surface they seem to be limiting sales.

I asked about testing the Mizuno JPX919HM and Forged or the 921's, the Srixon ZX5's and whether they have a date when the G425's will be available.

 

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9 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

Just heard back from Truespec.  They do not have the Recoil SMACWrap ES780/F3 stating the they are a "stock offering for PING"... which makes no sense to me as to why they wouldn't have them.  I haven't checked but don't believe these to be a PING exclusive partnership similar to the Alta CB... anyone know?

The Recoil SmacWrap ES780 is available from Golfworks at $40 per shaft.

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6 minutes ago, Kenny B said:

The Recoil SmacWrap ES780 is available from Golfworks at $40 per shaft.

As a custom order through TGW, they are only $18 upcharge with the G410's 👍.  I could get a new set 4-UW for basically the same price as what I paid for my current gamers.  I just wish I could test that shaft on a LM and at a +1/2".  I've tested it twice now at the range with the G410 head, using my SC200, and the numbers are real close.

I'll see how the OTi and PX Catalyst work and ask the fitter his thoughts on length and this particular Recoil shaft.  One would think Truespec would have virtually everything among the more popular brands.  I just stumbled on this shaft as it happened to be on the PING fitting kiosk at a local pro shop.

Of course, in addition to wanting to test it on a LM and non-standard length, the G425 release is close at hand... 

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23 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

As a custom order through TGW, they are only $18 upcharge with the G410's 👍.  I could get a new set 4-UW for basically the same price as what I paid for my current gamers.  I just wish I could test that shaft on a LM and at a +1/2".  I've tested it twice now at the range with the G410 head, using my SC200, and the numbers are real close.

I'll see how the OTi and PX Catalyst work and ask the fitter his thoughts on length and this particular Recoil shaft.  One would think Truespec would have virtually everything among the more popular brands.  I just stumbled on this shaft as it happened to be on the PING fitting kiosk at a local pro shop.

Of course, in addition to wanting to test it on a LM and non-standard length, the G425 release is close at hand... 

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On 1/8/2021 at 12:16 PM, fixyurdivot said:

Just heard back from Truespec.  They do not have the Recoil SMACWrap ES780/F3 stating the they are a "stock offering for PING"... which makes no sense to me as to why they wouldn't have them.  I haven't checked but don't believe these to be a PING exclusive partnership similar to the Alta CB... anyone know?

I can try the OTi and PX Catalyst and see how these compare to the Accra.  It's a real bummer Accra isn't more widely available through major custom builders like TGW 😕.  I guess they have their reasons but on the surface they seem to be limiting sales.

I asked about testing the Mizuno JPX919HM and Forged or the 921's, the Srixon ZX5's and whether they have a date when the G425's will be available.

 

G425 preorders start today man

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G425 preorders start today man

I'll definitely delay the redo fitting if I can include those.

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On 1/8/2021 at 1:16 PM, fixyurdivot said:

custom builders like TGW

TGW isn’t a custom builder. They are a retail shop. Custom builders would places like peoplesclubs, dallasgolfco or places like txg, club champion, truespwc, etc.

 

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TGW isn’t a custom builder. They are a retail shop. Custom builders would places like peoplesclubs, dallasgolfco or places like txg, club champion, truespwc, etc.

 

Yup, I subsequently found out from them that clubs ordered through them are built by the OEM's.  I do like their 30/90 "like it or return it" for credit policy.

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Well now, this one may have to be included. I'd like to try the APEX has well; both really great looking irons!

And, what about the new Recoil Dart 75 shafts?  The longer I delay heading back to the fitter, the more difficult this becomes.

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Well now, this one may have to be included. I'd like to try the APEX has well; both really great looking irons!
And, what about the new Recoil Dart 75 shafts?  The longer I delay heading back to the fitter, the more difficult this becomes.
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We can always find a reason to perpetually delay; especially when new clubs are on if out. My cheap nature would fit to models on discount because I don’t think there is that much difference.
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11 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

Well now, this one may have to be included. I'd like to try the APEX has well; both really great looking irons!

And, what about the new Recoil Dart 75 shafts?  The longer I delay heading back to the fitter, the more difficult this becomes.

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We can always find a reason to perpetually delay; especially when new clubs are on if out. My cheap nature would fit to models on discount because I don’t think there is that much difference.

Yea, I'm with ya and fall right into that buyer category.  Remember, you're talking to a guy that amortized the cost of PE2's for 32 years!  That said, if their in the drawer when I get back to Scottsdale, I'm hitting them 🤣

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