Favorite Iron Shafts

[MattF]

In plain English please.

 

TT I get but

 

PUD

 

 

needs to be in smaller words.

[Mr_Theoo]

TT I get but

 

 

needs to be in smaller words.

PUD = personal use discount

[NiftyNiblick]

If I woke up tomorrow morning as a twenty-one year old +4, I would immediately sign up with Spalding and Packard as my primary sponsors.    I'm known for living on the leading edge. 

 

 

Wait a minute. I may have clicked on the wrong thread..

[apprenti23]

RB

 

Which shafts?

[GolfSpyC]

Big fan of the new True Temper AMT TI

[RookieBlue7]

RB

 

Which shafts?

The new PX shafts that are currently prototypes I can't name yet and have been tested by a few PGA guys too. Id tell you, but he told us to review them, send our thoughts and he'd tell us when we can discuss them. They're good though... Least the 6 iron shaft is

[KCLeo12]

The new PX shafts that are currently prototypes I can't name yet and have been tested by a few PGA guys too. Id tell you, but he told us to review them, send our thoughts and he'd tell us when we can discuss them. They're good though... Least the 6 iron shaft is

 

Are you a current PX user?

[fozcycle]

Are you a current PX user?

I have the PX blue graphite 5.0's in a set of Mizuno JPX 800 forged and Cobra Bio Cell irons. I really like the lag and feel of the 5.0's

[apprenti23]

The new PX shafts that are currently prototypes I can't name yet and have been tested by a few PGA guys too. Id tell you, but he told us to review them, send our thoughts and he'd tell us when we can discuss them. They're good though... Least the 6 iron shaft is

Who is us? You and other MGS guys? I hit the LZ iron shafts, loading zone, and love them but don't think they're coming to production. Wasn't sure if those were what you hit.

[PlaidJacket]

I'm using Aerotech steel-fiber i80's in my irons. Really liking them. Great feel and performance.

[PlaidJacket]

I'm using Aerotech steel-fiber i80's in my irons. Really liking them. Great feel and performance.

[Undershooter]

Who is us? You and other MGS guys? I hit the LZ iron shafts, loading zone, and love them but don't think they're coming to production. Wasn't sure if those were what you hit.

Rookie is part of the true temper test team. Sadly I believe all the spots were filled a while back . They review shafts for true temper well before the shafts become available for us mere mortals.

[shot74@75]

I HAd a set of mizuno mp25s built for me in september using the nippon pro 90. I have used this shaft in my previous Mizuno mp68s and find it fits an older player great. I am 80 years old and maintain an index 0f 7.5 according to the USGA as of 12/15/15. I pay golf 5 days a week here in south florida and am able to still play reasonably well although my distances have shrunk. My MP25- 7 iron flies 150 yards, where it went 170 just about 5  or 6 years ago. Must be the fault of those cheap golf balls .

[jbil8802]

I HAd a set of mizuno mp25s built for me in september using the nippon pro 90. I have used this shaft in my previous Mizuno mp68s and find it fits an older player great. I am 80 years old and maintain an index 0f 7.5 according to the USGA as of 12/15/15. I pay golf 5 days a week here in south florida and am able to still play reasonably well although my distances have shrunk. My MP25- 7 iron flies 150 yards, where it went 170 just about 5 or 6 years ago. Must be the fault of those cheap golf balls .

Kudos to you, sir. I hope I can say the same one day.

[superduper]

Just a quick Q.  What steel shaft has the best feel?   or they are not different because they are steel.... feedbacks please.

[Undershooter]

Just a quick Q.  What steel shaft has the best feel?   or they are not different because they are steel.... feedbacks please.

Feel is subjective so there is no correct answer. If I were to speak in generalities I would say Nippon but you may hate them. There is no way to measure feel.

[Kanoito]

I've always played project x's but this year I tried out KBS tour v's. Seemed like I hit the long irons much higher with the KBS compared to the Project X. Mid and short irons I didn't really notice much difference. It was nice going into long par 3's but I think I like the feel of the Project X's overall. So next year I'll go back to them.

 

I'm the opposite.

I was fitted for KBS Tour stiff a few years ago for my MP-59.

Went to a new fitting last month and apparently ball goes too high, so the guy put me in PX 5.5 shafts

[~^~]

Comparison of iron shaft performance is a study of mine. I have bookmarked the link to Titleist's shaft comparison chart on their site. The Mizuno Shaft Optimizer twice said I should use TT XP, PXi, or KBS Tour in stiff. At a demo day I hit DG (130 grams), XP95 (95gr), and XP105 (105gr). Standard DG is just too heavy in long irons. I just love high trajectory with the ball landing like a lawn dart. One of the highest launch and spin shafts, I had NS105T in my AP1 710s, but Reg was too soft. The ball ballooned and went offline. I like a lightweight stiff shaft, but want any iron in my bag to hit the green and roll less than 6 ft. Anyone else have a preferred trajectory?

[apprenti23]

Comparison of iron shaft performance is a study of mine. I have bookmarked the link to Titleist's shaft comparison chart on their site. The Mizuno Shaft Optimizer twice said I should use TT XP, PXi, or KBS Tour in stiff. At a demo day I hit DG (130 grams), XP95 (95gr), and XP105 (105gr). Standard DG is just too heavy in long irons. I just love high trajectory with the ball landing like a lawn dart. One of the highest launch and spin shafts, I had NS105T in my AP1 710s, but Reg was too soft. The ball ballooned and went offline. I like a lightweight stiff shaft, but want any iron in my bag to hit the green and roll less than 6 ft. Anyone else have a preferred trajectory?

 

Why would you get fit from the Shaft Optimizer and only try one of the shafts? Or try shafts that it didn't recommend for that matter? I don't know if your WITB is updated because it says DG S300, so if you're playing that it literally makes no sense. You should try TT XP, PXi, KBS Tour, and AMT since it prob wasn't on the Optimizer.

 

Going against professional fitting recommendations is like taking lessons and tell the pro he's wrong. HA!

[jaskanski]

The shaft optimiser is based on a simple programming chip that identifies key loading and frequency factors during the swing. Great for trying to match a finite database to a swing trait - not so good at identifying what a golfer is looking for in terms of feel and trajectory. How the hell does it know what you want? It doesn't. It only recommends what is on it's database (which is pretty limited BTW). The shaft optimiser is a good way to find a starting point of where you might want to start looking for a quick and dirty solution for a customer, but in no way is it any replacement for experience. It has it's uses, but as a fitting tool it's not really a must have piece of kit. That being said, anything that encourages a golfer to seek professional analysis and start thinking about club fitting is a plus IMO.

[Mike McC]

Gonna buy some irons. 62 year old 8 handicap playing RBZ irons factory steel shafts. The UST recoil 660 or 680 shafts look interesting.

[apprenti23]

The shaft optimiser is based on a simple programming chip that identifies key loading and frequency factors during the swing. Great for trying to match a finite database to a swing trait - not so good at identifying what a golfer is looking for in terms of feel and trajectory.

Not too simple of a chip IMO considering it took years to develop and nobody else has it. 3 steel options and 3 graphite options are a damn fine start. Feel isn't real and is entirely subjective so there's no way it could ever determine that, thinking it would is ridiculous. I hope you're using TrackMan to test your trajectory needs rather than guessing on a driving range.

[superduper]

Feel is subjective so there is no correct answer. If I were to speak in generalities I would say Nippon but you may hate them. There is no way to measure feel.

 

Feel according to me that soft feel at impact and of course you need to be gaming a forged mizuno iron..... pair with the right steel shaft... that butter will melt....

[jaskanski]

Not too simple of a chip IMO considering it took years to develop and nobody else has it. 3 steel options and 3 graphite options are a damn fine start. Feel isn't real and is entirely subjective so there's no way it could ever determine that, thinking it would is ridiculous. I hope you're using TrackMan to test your trajectory needs rather than guessing on a driving range.

 

Trackman? What is wrong with the Mk 1 eyeball?

Lets say for the sake of argument that you hit a certain shaft at the range. The feel is good, you like the way the ball flight looks, the spin is good and the ball lands where you want it every time. What good is Trackman now? Can it make the club feel any better? No. Can it make the ball flight any better? No. Can it make the spin any better? No. Can it make the shot more accurate? No.

There is no guessing on the range. The results of what the ball is doing and where it ends up is the ultimate truth of any test. 

Remember: Trackman is purely a ball flight analysis solution. It doesn't care how the ball actually got there, but it leaves a few clues to the reason why. Trackman has it uses in advanced club fitting for sure, provided trained individuals know how to interpret the data - but you will never ever see a pro hitting balls blindly without seeing how they perform with the naked eye downrange.

 

As for the Swing Optimiser - doesn't the fact that nobody else uses it in their custom fitting program tell you something? Apart from copyrighted intellectual property of course. 

[apprenti23]

Trackman? What is wrong with the Mk 1 eyeball?

Lets say for the sake of argument that you hit a certain shaft at the range. The feel is good, you like the way the ball flight looks, the spin is good and the ball lands where you want it every time. What good is Trackman now? Can it make the club feel any better? No. Can it make the ball flight any better? No. Can it make the spin any better? No. Can it make the shot more accurate? No.

There is no guessing on the range. The results of what the ball is doing and where it ends up is the ultimate truth of any test.

Remember: Trackman is purely a ball flight analysis solution. It doesn't care how the ball actually got there, but it leaves a few clues to the reason why. Trackman has it uses in advanced club fitting for sure, provided trained individuals know how to interpret the data - but you will never ever see a pro hitting balls blindly without seeing how they perform with the naked eye downrange.

In my experience I've seen a lot of people say "this shaft feels great" and have it be a poorly fit shaft. Feel isn't real. That doesn't mean it's unimportant it just means that feel can be deceiving. Just like in teaching golf how sometimes "over teaching" can be useful to get a student to make a certain move.

 

There's a reason the top tour pros practice on TrackMan. They don't want to guess on the range either. there are so many data points that TrackMan offers that you can't see on a driving range.

[Undershooter]

Feel according to me that soft feel at impact and of course you need to be gaming a forged mizuno iron..... pair with the right steel shaft... that butter will melt....

Everything you just said is subjective. There is no way to measure it. It's different for different people.

[~^~]

Why would you get fit from the Shaft Optimizer and only try one of the shafts? Or try shafts that it didn't recommend for that matter? I don't know if your WITB is updated because it says DG S300, so if you're playing that it literally makes no sense. You should try TT XP, PXi, KBS Tour, and AMT since it prob wasn't on the Optimizer.

 

Going against professional fitting recommendations is like taking lessons and tell the pro he's wrong. HA!

You seem to be looking for an argument. Of course I hit all 3 shafts recommended by the Mizuno Shaft Optimizer (they were right there for trying, why wouldn't I?): TT DG XP, KBS Tour and Project X Pxi. I have played XPs since. I played his recommended clubhead for almost a year before I realized I didn't like the harsh vibration. I hit the same head with all three shafts and therefore had insight on how the shafts alone varied the feel and impact on the face. I kept the impact tape for all 3 shafts. The Proj X had a hollow, pipe feel, not to my liking. The KBS felt good, but the impact strikes climbed up the face towards the heel. The XPs strike were all dead center. So I went with the MSO shaft and the Mizuno rep's recommended clubhead for a year before I realized he'd put me into a swing-type category and sold me the clubhead for the masses. I realized XPs were probably the right shaft based on impact, so I have stuck with XP shaft: DG XP, XP95 and XP105. FYI, those are all different models by True Temper, and they all come in various stiffness. I play S300 in all three. But I am still looking for the feel and sound I like, both in shaft and clubhead. Not what the Miz sales rep thinks would fit my swing . So I took his advice and modified it to suit me, not verbatim. And as was stated by Jankowski above, also looking for my preferred trajectory, which MSO ignores.

[Undershooter]

You seem to be looking for an argument. Of course I hit all 3 shafts recommended by the Mizuno Shaft Optimizer (they were right there for trying, why wouldn't I?): TT DG XP, KBS Tour and Project X Pxi. I have played XPs since. I played his recommended clubhead for almost a year before I realized I didn't like the harsh vibration. I hit the same head with all three shafts and therefore had insight on how the shafts alone varied the feel and impact on the face. I kept the impact tape for all 3 shafts. The Proj X had a hollow, pipe feel, not to my liking. The KBS felt good, but the impact strikes climbed up the face towards the heel. The XPs strike were all dead center. So I went with the MSO shaft and the Mizuno rep's recommended clubhead for a year before I realized he'd put me into a swing-type category and sold me the clubhead for the masses. I realized XPs were probably the right shaft based on impact, so I have stuck with XP shaft: DG XP, XP95 and XP105. FYI, those are all different models by True Temper, and they all come in various stiffness. I play S300 in all three. But I am still looking for the feel and sound I like, both in shaft and clubhead. Not what the Miz sales rep thinks would fit my swing . So I took his advice and modified it to suit me, not verbatim. And as was stated by Jankowski above, also looking for my preferred trajectory, which MSO ignores.

Your original post didn't clarify that. To us it seemed as if you got fit by MSO then went to DG even though you didn't like the flight. At least that's what it seemed like to me.

[~^~]

Your original post didn't clarify that. To us it seemed as if you got fit by MSO then went to DG even though you didn't like the flight. At least that's what it seemed like to me.

My OP said I hit DG at a demo day. I didn't say I bought them; I said they were too heavy.

I was trying to point out this discussion never mentioned trajectory. To me, that is key component of shaft selection. What somebody told me to buy is irrelevant. MSO doesn't gauge trajectory, so if I ignored the MSO, arrest me. This isn't Russia, is it?

[EthanSterlingPrice]

Just a quick Q. What steel shaft has the best feel? or they are not different because they are steel.... feedbacks please.

that's a tough one. Feel can differ between two people, one fella with say they love the feel of a club while another might hate it. I haven't tried many shafts but my favorite in steel is probably the true temper dg pro. It's kinda head heavy but I grew up hanging Sheetrock with a framing hammer so I'm used to that head heavy feel, however the most distinguishing factor about them is the difference between the short and long irons. The short irons feel pretty close to a standard dynamic gold shaft maybe a tad softer and lighter but as the club's get longer you can start to feel the shaft load and release all the way through the swing. If your like me and grew up playing dynamic gold shafts and want a somewhat familiar feel with added performance then you might give them a try, but I would always recommend going and demoing a few different options to see what you like and don't like. Nothing beats personal experience.