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2018 Official Forum Member Review - Wilson C300 Irons

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Guassman, telling it like it is in his Stage 1.  Take note everyone, this is all we ask for in your reviews, be honest on your thoughts.    I also laughed out loud at the Wedges thinking they're special comment...Hilarious!

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Nice Job Tony, quite a statement about Golf being harder than anything you've done before, including piloting a plane.    I love that its' something you and your wife enjoy doing together!  

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Hey everyone, I've got my Stage 1 posted for you to read. This is my first MGS review, so I'm excited to see what I can bring to the table, especially from the higher handicapper point of view.

 

Please let me know if you have any questions or if there's anything you'd like to know about prior to my Stage 2 review. I've got 3 range sessions in with them so far and headed out to the course this coming weekend, so fire away!

 

Don't worry as you have natural talent with this reviewing stuff and by the way, great pics! Looking forward to your stage 2.

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Great job on the Pics and Stage 1 Russ.   Love the comparison, of the SGI D200 and the TM RAC on the other end.   I have had really good success with that Tour 90 shaft in the past, and your driver SS is higher than mine, so I anticipate you'll adjust to it very quickly and have some really good results.   Looking forward to the journey with you!

 

By my third range session I was definitely more comfortable with them. My first session I was digging absolute trenches with them, my second was filled with weak fades, but my third was so much better once I started getting used to the shafts. They just load and feel different, that's all there is to it. 

 

I'll be headed to a Par 3 course this weekend with my son & dad, weather permitting. So it'll be a great workout for all of the irons. 

 

I'll also say that chipping with the PW is pretty solid & consistent. I really enjoyed using that one on the chipping green. 

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Love it Gaussman and I really like the look of the forged set of yours.

Thank you! They really are sharp looking clubs and I'm excited to report on my initial fitting and now launch monitor data on this current set in Stage 2

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I'm really sorry G20's but after playing these Wilson's for a week I'm going to have to bench you. Yes I know you've been there for for me through birdies and bogies but these Wilson's are coming on strong. There's a chance they may not make it through stage 2 testing and yes I know Power Holes are a marketing gimmick but the truth will will come with that launch monitor data. In the meantime enjoy your early retirement. 

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Many of you know me as Gaussman1....

Killer stage 1! I'll have to say that from the front and face view they look slick.. but the sole.. I just don't know if I could get used to the look of the sole with the Power/speed holes/slots/whatever they want to call them. I realize you don't see it at address and I know it really shouldn't matter.. but the complete aesthetics of the clubs play an important part in the mental confidence part of the game. It would definitely be interesting to see your POV after a few rounds and if the mess on the bottom kind of just "goes away" after time.

 

It's unfortunate that Wilson is struggling so badly to re-discover their identity in the golf world when they really do seem to have some decent products that could be successfully built upon rather than trying to latch onto stuff that already exists (and has for a while) that isn't all that effective anyway. C'mon W/S marketing.. there are classier ways to do this! I've just never really bought into the whole "speed slot" concept. Just like with newer sports cars, there are ways to add performance without physically "adding" something like a super wing/spoiler. COG and other performance bits can be improved in more discrete ways without adding a bunch of unnecessary gadgetry.. Not just my opinion.. it's been proven

 

What I think of when I hear speed holes/slots...  

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I can honestly say that you don't notice the slots at all after a few shots. I'm 3 range sessions in and I don't give them a second thought.

 

As far as “unnecessary gadgeting” I am seeing noticeably more height on my shots, which I desperately need as a lowball hitter. Don't think I'd call that unnecessary.

 

 

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Killer stage 1! I'll have to say that from the front and face view they look slick.. but the sole.. I just don't know if I could get used to the look of the sole with the Power/speed holes/slots/whatever they want to call them. I realize you don't see it at address and I know it really shouldn't matter.. but the complete aesthetics of the clubs play an important part in the mental confidence part of the game. It would definitely be interesting to see your POV after a few rounds and if the mess on the bottom kind of just "goes away" after time.

 

It's unfortunate that Wilson is struggling so badly to re-discover their identity in the golf world when they really do seem to have some decent products that could be successfully built upon rather than trying to latch onto stuff that already exists (and has for a while) that isn't all that effective anyway. C'mon W/S marketing.. there are classier ways to do this! I've just never really bought into the whole "speed slot" concept. Just like with newer sports cars, there are ways to add performance without physically "adding" something like a super wing/spoiler. COG and other performance bits can be improved in more discrete ways without adding a bunch of unnecessary gadgetry.. Not just my opinion.. it's been proven

 

What I think of when I hear speed holes/slots...

Tom Wishon has an interesting video about "slot face technology" vs Variable Face Thickness as it relates to COR and overall face flexing upon impact. It is specific to a woods/hybrids discussion but I think there is probably enough carryover to pull irons into the conversation. The idea with slots (or holes) is that by removing mass from the head you now give that metal some space to flex into when the ball is struck. If that's true you would then have faster rebounding from that particular area of the face. This should result in higher balls speeds and higher launch when the ball is struck by that part of the head. Wishon questions whether this is actually taking place to a degree that impacts launch conditions, but more to the point he questions whether this is more effective than using a thin and variable face thickness across the face. It seems to be his opinion that VFT has more effect across the face as a whole than cutting slots into the head. Neither of these technologies seem to effect launch conditions from a well struck shot in the center of the face, but rather have more of an effect, if one exists, for shots struck off-center.

I'm the wrong person for a technical or scientific analysis in Stage 2 but found his opinions as a deeply respected voice in clubmaking to be of enough interest to pass along here. My Stage 2 we're just going to crunch numbers and see how they add up.

I will tell you the short irons (no holes) are sweet in the short game

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Thanks for the kind words!

 

The KBS Tour 90s I have in the C300s are 101 grams, vs the Elements Chrome I have in the D200s which come in at 59 grams. Length is the same. I'll be honest - the weight difference has been the biggest adjustment so far, with less offset in the C300s coming in a close second. I've had to really think about my tempo with these clubs vs the D200s. Given the shaft weight differences, I "feel" the C300 clubhead differently, if that makes sense.

I'm very interested in how the tour 90s work out for you as they are one of my top 3 choices for my next set of irons.

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Many of you know me as Gaussman1. I think it's time to pull back the curtain and reveal the secret behind this username- My last name is Gauss. And I am a man.

This original username was crafted at the dawn of the internet and has lasted many years because I am lazy and don't feel like thinking up new things.

What I do like, love actually, is the game of golf. I live in central Indiana and was raised across the street from an Indianapolis Parks Department muni. As kids my brother and I spent countless hours chipping and putting against each other as we waited for dad to finish playing. As we got old enough to play on the course we would spend sunup to sundown in the summers going round the little track and struggling to clear the creek that crosses many of its fairways. I watch my father now struggle with that same creek that he sailed over with ease for 40+ years and see one of the many ways way in which golf is a metaphor for life. My brother was a much better young player but I was the one who was hooked on the game. Now at 48 and 49 years old respectively he wishes he had stuck with it a little more and I wish I was a just little bit better. As someone turning 49 in a few weeks and carrying a 1 handicap for 25+ years that seems a little greedy but that's golf. We will never be good enough. Anything that could help me be just a little bit better is worth a try, which is how I stumbled on this ragtag collection of lost golfing souls to begin with. May God help us all.

 

Currently I have the Callaway Rogue SZ driver and 3 wood and a big question mark in the irons. Last year I had Srixon Z765s with the Nippon 120 shaft. They were supposed to be Extra Stiff but I accidentally bought a set that was Tour X flex. I managed to survive the season with them but knew that I was going the wrong way in speed to live with those clubs. That XX shaft is built for lumberjacks.

 

 

 

In January I had shoulder surgery to repair a bone spur and some torn labrum tissue. I knew this season was going to start slower than last year so the telephone poles had to go. I snagged a set of Ping I200s but the wider sole doesn't match up well for me and I can't drive them down in the wind. I don't know if it's the head, or AWT shaft, or a combination of the two, but high and higher are not ideal trajectories for a 120 yard wedge into the wind. Still Desperately Seeking Irons.

 

My typical 150 yard shot is an 8 iron with a little draw and the shot that I'm afraid of is a going draw, particularly with wind from the right. I'm the all-time champ at missing that shot left and I'm constantly short sided, so I flop more than a European Soccer player. Not exactly a great scoring strategy. I would love to be able to flight it down without turning it over and hold it a little left to right from time to time. Maybe new clubs will improve my ball striking! I've tried that before without much success but I still believe in the theory and don't want to give up on it prematurely. When I saw the Wilson test I was intrigued. I actually gamed the V2s a few years back for part of a season (I don't remember why I gave them up, they seemed fine) and I've been a fan of the brand since my first iron purchase back in about 1986. That was a used set of Wilson Staff Fluid Feels with the red bore-through pin. I can still see their tiny little faces begging me to try knock-downs, fades, hooks, anything but a straight ball. I've always had a soft spot for forgings and but for the occasional Ping dalliance my irons over the years have usually said Mizuno or Titleist or Srixon. Nothing feels like a forged iron at impact and I'm anxious to see if the C300 Forged can inspire that same sort of reverence. Some irons feel so sweet you almost want to apologize to them for mis-hits. Sorry about that 5 iron. You know I'm not good enough for you.

 

 

 

First Impressions

I could do unboxing pics but you guys have seen club boxes before. Clubs come in them. They're brown and rectangular. The clubs were professionally wrapped and the spec sheet inside was a nice touch. Everything matched up exactly with my order specs (KBS Tour 120 Stiff, Standard Loft and Lie), and I will put them on a loft/lie machine in Stage 2 for verification. The clubs themselves are visually stunning. The cavity and the WS scripting on the hosel are just gorgeous. The only slight negative is the numbers on the clubs are a huge stamp and one of my regular playing partners joked that they looked like the Reader's Digest Large Print version. At least I could read them!

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The 7 iron couldn't wait to be hit and buckled in the front seat while I was still putting the others in the bag. The wedges sat together in the back and gossiped about everyone else. Wedges think they're special

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The box does have a slogan in big font that says More Win. Did they mean Win More? Or More Wins? I'm honestly shocked that this is the slogan. How about Play Better? Or Wilson Golf- Modern.Classic. Do you need me to write ad copy for you, Wilson? I don't know why that bothered me so much but it's the first thing you see and is such an easy thing to get right and it's such an amateurish tag. From the looks of the clubs they've clearly got serious golf people working on the products but there is a disconnect between there and marketing. Maybe they can workshop it on a reality show.

 

That is typical of the areas where I think Wilson struggles to differentiate itself as a golf company instead of just some large generic sporting goods catch-all. The Wilson website has golf listed in the same sub menu as Pickleball, Fast Pitch Softball and something called Padel. You can buy a Padel Paddle from Wilson for just under $200 which looks a lot like something I got whacked with during fraternity pledging. If you go directly to WilsonGolf.com at least that redirects to the /golf  homepage. There you see the FG Tour V6 irons which are classy looking (but do seem like they occupy the same space as C300 Forged) and the upcoming judges on Driver to Driver Season 2 which feels gimmicky.  There's also info on how to win a trip (A Power Trip!) by doing a C300 fitting.

 

I scroll down to the C300 icon which invites me to #poweryourplay. My play is being #powered by something called Power Hole Technology which is just an awful slogan and not really even accurate. When is a hole not a hole? When it's filled, which is the case with Power Holes. They are slots carved out of the sole (and topline in the standard 300) and then filled in with urethane. The end result of this should be more face flexion and higher ball speeds across the face.

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Power Holes seems like another marketing flop. I'm picturing the pitch meeting for this and an executive saying “is Power Holes really the best we can come up with?” and getting “well sir, Speed Slots was already taken” as a response.  The elastomer filling is there to absorb vibration and also for a tidier fit and finish than you would have if you actually played golf with clubs that had holes all the way around the head. Anyone who had to dig mud out of their original Rocketballz fairway will be able to appreciate that the holes are filled in here. Although there is a lot going on in the soles of the 300 Forged because of the Power Holes, you don't see any of it at address with this model. What you see is a very traditional looking topline. Not quite as thin as a modern blade but in no way thick or cumbersome at all. They are all shiny chrome and classic looking badging and are visually quite striking, particularly over the ball. The Wilson Logo on the grip is traditional and classy.

 

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The website also says “C300 irons with double the power, double the irons and double the distance technology”. I looked everywhere trying to find out what exactly was being doubled before I realized they just meant there are two sets of C300s. Standard and Forged. So, you know, double.

 

I know it seems like I am being tough on Wilson and I am. The website is convoluted and the marketing is gimmicky and cheesy. It's as if these clubs are being marketed to some regional big box chain for a Father's Day Blow Out. You would never catch Titleist or Callaway slapping Power Holes on one of their premium iron sets. And neither should Wilson. Because in Stage 2 we're going to see launch monitor data and on-course comparisons. And we're going to see that this is a premium set of irons.

This was a fantastic write-up! Funny as hell and very informative. My favorite parts were that "wedges think they're special" & "speed slots were already taken". Belly laugh both times! Nice work there Mr. Gauss! B)

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I'm very interested in how the tour 90s work out for you as they are one of my top 3 choices for my next set of irons.

I'm going to hold off on giving a full answer on this for now as I'm still adjusting to them after playing graphite for a few seasons. I'll definitely have some input on them, though!

 

 

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I'm going to hold off on giving a full answer on this for now as I'm still adjusting to them after playing graphite for a few seasons. I'll definitely have some input on them, though!

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I play Adila phenom graphite shafts currently. They are 75g.

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I play Adila phenom graphite shafts currently. They are 75g.

I'm coming from 59g Elements Chromes so it's definitely an adjustment.

 

 

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Solid little practice round on a 9 hole par 3 before work this morning. I only hit 3 GIR because I'm missing long and left with these irons right now. And the lefts are due to a draw that shows up when I'm not aiming to play it, of course.

 

Boy the sound of these irons is addictive.

 

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Sounds like your really enjoying the irons😁

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